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Posted: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:34 am, Tue Aug 2, 2011.

I would like to ask the Republican readers of the Lodi News-Sentinel if they are proud to be Republicans and, if so, why? What do they think is the most profound piece of legislation their party has ever passed?

Did this legislation help the middle class, the disabled or the elderly in any way? Did it help the environment? Do the Republicans really care about the health of U.S. citizens?

If so, what legislation have they introduced to reform health care? Have they introduced any legislation to create jobs since they were elected in 2010 and ran on "Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!"?

I know my questions are rhetorical, but I honestly cannot for the life of me wonder why someone would want to be a member of a party that is so hell-bent on destroying all of the social safety nets — Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, decades-old environmental laws, all bank regulations. The list is endless.

We all (unless you're extremely wealthy) need some or all of the above, and we all want to breathe clean air, drink clean water, eat safe food and take safe medicines. Why are the Republicans so determined to gut everything that keeps us safe and healthy? Oh, I forgot — it's all about jobs!

Do your Republican readers think it's wise fiscal policy to give huge tax cuts to the wealthy (and extend them) and not ask for one dime of sacrifice, then fund the Iraq and Afghanistan wars by borrowing billions of dollars from China? Do they think it's wise to let corporations get away with not paying billions in taxes, then ship American jobs overseas without a penalty of any kind? Why are they acting now like such deficit hawks?

The Republicans often refer to our Constitution, but I believe they really don't want a democracy but a plutocracy — maybe an oligarchy? I'm sure the Koch Brothers, big-time supporters of the Tea Party, wouldn't mind that.

Is there anyone else out there as disgusted, disheartened and depressed as I about the unraveling of our country?

Marcia Savage

Lodi

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88 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:56 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Maybe... but more likely is that they see English as an advantage to their people and economy. If their people can do business with America and not have to hire interpreters, they will not have to employ Americans and put more Chinese workers to work.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:58 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    Darrell, sounda like they are training spies ;-)

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:43 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    To Brian continued... You are write about only a few languages in this area. But I do not perceive Mexico and Canada in the mix foe economic powers. India and China have low cost labor... no unions, very friendly business environment. Singapore, Korea and Malaysia are even attracting American businesses and jobs... Im not sure what the answer are... but I feel strongly that our educational system has faied and will continue to provide a second rate education except for a select few. That spells trouble for our country especially if we cannot attract brain power from other societies. China is paying many Americans 2000 Yaun a month and free living quarters for our college students and young graduates to spend 20 hours a week to talk English to there students. It is wide spread and they are learning about our counture and language well... How many Chinese are paid to talk to our students??? My guess...none

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:50 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Darrell,

    Yes you are right in that sense to.

    But mine is more from a geographic location of the U.S. We have Spanish to the south of us. And those who come from Canada who may speak French. That's pretty much it. How many different languages are there in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East? And they pretty much are connected by land.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:08 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kevin... I was comparing Americans to Chinese students. Chinese students become fluent in three languages while they are still students. Im suggesting that the students in America do not put the energy and work required into getting the job done. In other words, the Chinese students work much harder than students here.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    And there in lies my point, you cannot become fluent in any language if you are not using it on a regular basis and continue to use it well after the class is done. Taking three years of a language you have no reason to practice is a waste. The educational benefits of the class can be easily replaced with workplace classes that are better retained and more beneficial like the computer technologies course or cultural studies.

    I pitched the cultural studies course to my son and he agrees it would make learning the language much more interesting if they were to go further into the culture and not just learning basic conversational bits.

    So maybe it is not so much the learning the language that I see as a waste but the opportunity to make it mean something to the students. I loved my Spanish class because the teacher would delve into the culture and heritage of Spain (we learned "proper" Spanish not whatever it is they speak down south, his words). The other Spanish teacher at the school did not go into the culture at all and no one like his class. So maybe a half language, half cultural studies course would mean more to the students as well as better prepare them for the future as they will not only be able to speak the language but understand the culture when they are conversing with potential clients of said region.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:21 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bryan stated...So, in a sense, us Americans have been somewhat isolated, due to mostly our geographic location, that has caused a certain amount of ignorance of how important it is to be fluent or at least capable of speaking other languages...

    Bryan... Interesting perspective.
    If I am understanding you right, United States has not really been dependent economically on other countries as much as they have on us. Now that India and China are evolving into economic powers as well as other countries, the tables are turning. If in fact the economy becomes a true international economy, it would make sense for American companies to hire people proficient in languages that effect commerce. It would appear Chinese students would have an advantage as most can speak and write English and a third language fluently. So in a sense, Kevin and K Lee's position has been the dominate one even through today's time. However, it is possible that thinking will change as to the value of communication skills in an international economy. We will see.
    In our part of the world, Spanish is a no brainer, as long as the student becomes fluent in that language.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Darrell,

    Us Americans have been mostly exposed to Mexicans coming from an economicly
    challenged demographic. What I'm trying to say is, in my opinion, we are suspicious that learning another language will have any positive affect on our lives based on my first sentence. And since English has always been the universal language, until just recently, it may take a generation of Americans to realize English is not the only primary language of the world anymore. So, in a sense, us Americans have been somewhat isolated, due to mostly our geographic location, that has caused a certain amount of ignorance of how important it is to be fluent or at least capable of speaking other languages.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:26 am on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I think it is obvious that if classes can be taken that directly helps what we can do and utilize in everyday life, the class gains more value. However, one thought is that it is important to be thinkers, problem solvers and have the ability to adapt and change as life comes our way. That's why I think a class is not a waste if we do not use it directly. Each class fills a peace of the puzzle to life. China prepares their students to speak 3 languages fluently. Most freshman college students I met could speak Chinese, English and French well enough to communicate clearly to me. The Chinese government anticipates international competition for jobs will be significant thus expect their students to be proficient in various languages. In addition, most Chinese students are very IT orientated and do well with computers.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:46 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    ...but that's not reality right now.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:39 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    I don't want to totally demean the value of learning a language, music, art, sports...etc., but a student will surely use his or her computer skills everyday. Computer skills are a must these days. These skills will be used in college, business, career and home. Ideally a student would be able to take computer skills classes and choose between other electives too.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:14 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    correction...K lee and Kevin... No argument for me... should have been ... no argument "from" me.. sorry

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:13 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    "K lee and Kevin... No argument for me"

    Vote for Kevin, he brings the warring sides together ;-)

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:56 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    K Lee posted at 6:20 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011...Kevin Paglia wrote, "Wouldn't three years of something like computer technologies better serve more students than learning a second language?"........ Absolutely! I totally agree.

    K lee and Kevin... No argument for me. I had my son take years of computer technologies and even had him take a typing class to better utilize the computer skills. However, language skills can be an advantage. My point really is that there are values in various subjects tweather you use the information in your job or not.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 8:01 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Welcome to the boards, Maureen Bocardo and Kevin Hartung. Good to have you here.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:56 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Craig Cawelti wrote, “Liars believe liars because that's all they know.”

    I like that one…I may have to quote you.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:55 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Eric Barrow wrote, “Jerome the goverment has already decided how big your yacht can be it is just that the wealthy have all the breaks today. They come in the form of subsidies to wealthy corporations, offshore accounts, tax breaks, overseas manufacturing, record profits from insurance companies, goverment military contracts and those with large stock portfolios benefit from all of the above.”

    …that explains why they have the biggest yachts.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:20 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Kevin Paglia wrote, "Wouldn't three years of something like computer technologies better serve more students than learning a second language?"

    Absolutely! I totally agree.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:34 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr B: If you are correct...then why hasn't BO created the 2 million plus that he said he would??? BECAUSE he can't and neither can Congress. Otherwise...why haven't they??? BECAUSE they CAN'T...they can only create a demand for something and then try to fill that demand by getting the private sector to produce something that they get to regulate. Name one thing the government produces without private assistance...besides more gov .

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:44 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

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    Kevin stated...Shouldn't the value of education be to prepare kids for what their life could be and expose them to the possibilities

    Valid points... but one thing to consider is that our economy is gravitating more towards an international economy and interaction between various cultures will be more prevalent in the future. An important issue is being able to understand that different people think and process information. If your son was employed by a company that had a mixture of nationalities, he may have an advantage over other employees as he would be able to understand Hispanic people more readily and even have understanding of other cultures that are not Spanish as a result. In addition, if he is in a supervisory position where his subordinates speak English as a second language, his Spanish skills would be in demand to communicate better to these employees. Times are different now Kevin. I think a second language will be more valuable in future generations. When I was younger, it made no difference to me. I still think learning a second language is valuable even if you do not use it in the real world.
    A side note. I learned more about the English sentence structure when I studied German in High School than I did in my English class. I was forced to compare and contrast where the verbs went and as well as various other parts of speaech and sentence structure...So learning German inproved my English as well.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:28 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    I hear what you are saying Darrell and understand the perspective. I have even argued some of your points with those who say Math and such are not needed in school (remember the "everyone has a calculator so why teach math" debates). I'm just not sure that learning a second language falls into the same category. I use math all the time. I love sciences and they help me make sense of the world and how it works around me. History helps us know where we came from.

    I did better in Spanish than most in my classes, but still within a year it was all for nothing. I remember more from my 7th grade woodworking classes than two years of Spanish.

    Shouldn't the value of education be to prepare kids for what their life could be and expose them to the possibilities? Let's look at it a different way. Why Spanish? Wouldn't three years of something like computer technologies better serve more students than learning a second language? Or courses in cultural awareness so students get a bigger view of the world. Students can develop the complex thinking skills when they focus on a multitude of subject. Problem solving, woodworking and mechanical repair can teach that AND be useful for more kids than Spanish is.

    I'm not saying take Spanish away, but it should be an elective, maybe even a higher weighted elective, but there should be an alternative to learning a language that most kids will never need (back in my day we had a choice of Spanish or French). Personally i think the cultural studies would be a suitable replacement.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:47 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

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    Kevin stated...Those are three year long classes he could have used to develop a skill he would need in his life, not a language he will most likely never use again.

    Kevin... I think we view value of what is taught from opposite perspectives.
    I have heard similar arguments from people in a multitude of subject matter. For example, why do I need Algebra?... why do I need science?... I will never use this information in the real world. Now you bring up another subject matter which happens to be a second language.
    I think the premise is faulty, I do not think it matters if a student uses, math, science, second language in the real world. There are many other important considerations. For example, no matter if you use directly what you learn in class, you will be educated in the art of thinking, analysis of problems and abilities to explore possibilities that can be used in real life. I graduated with a degree in music therapy from KU. Since then, I have not used but one class I took since then. I took one business course throughout college ( accounting). It was the only class I took that directly is used in my business for the last 30 years. Was my education as waste? I do not think so. It helped me to be able to adapt, change, find solutions to whatever problems came my way.
    I personally think your son should not only take 3 years of Spanish, but it would be an advantage to take a fourth year. Cal Poly entrance committee told me they give more credit to students who take four years of any subject as it means that student went more in depth in that subject which involves more complex thinking skills. I think you should reconsider your thoughts of what you see and perceive as value in courses taken.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:31 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    Darrell and Maureen: I have a Bilingual question for you. I have been wondering about the wisdom of keeping the bilingual requirement in school considering the current economics of the education landscape. I'm not saying Spanish or other languages shouldn't be offered, but just not required. Here's my argument: When I took Spanish in school I went through Spanish II, which is what is required for colleges. Since my Sophomore year in HS, I have never needed to use the language and within the next year I had forgotten basically all but the most common words. Now my son is in Spanish III, but after this year will have no reason to speak the language. Those are three year long classes he could have used to develop a skill he would need in his life, not a language he will most likely never use again.

    I could see replacing the foreign language requirement for a foreign culture studies where you could learn about life, history and culture of a foreign land, that would stay with more kids than learning a language they never use after the final exam.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:32 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Mike, no need to apologize for being late to join the conversation, but now after reading your typical disjointed post, apology accepted.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:26 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Maureen, I was just wondering, how did you know that all those teachers in Lodi and Stockton just happened to be Republicans, were they wearing "Obama Sucks" tee shirts, sporting big red clown noses, and talking in tongues??

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:07 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mike,

    We thank you for your take on how you FEEL epitomizes the Republican Party.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:04 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    The military industrial complex has created thousand if not tens of thousands of private sector jobs so to claim that the government never created any private sector jobs is simply not true. they may not build the products but they do create the jobs.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:02 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

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    Eric Barrow posted at 11:12 pm ...Jon I'm sorry long letters trouble you so much. it must be hard for you to pay attention. personally I like box kites

    Typical liberal thinker Eric is... instead of refuting John's points he simply attempted to make John look stupid. As a result, Eric did not have to exercise his brain and actually think. If someone wanted to learn how to be condescending and develop a superiority complex, they would just have to observe Eric. Thanks for the education!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:51 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Patrick, Talk about under a rock untill very recently there hasn't been a demand for private space exploration, which you should know, so who where they goping to sell their product too for the first 50 years they were in business. I don't think they had a legal market for their military products either except for the military. Like I said they could not have stayed in business whithout government contracts.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:51 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Maureen Bocardo posted at 5:09 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011...In fact, I took to avoiding the teacher's lunch rooms because the majority were Republicans who did not too favorably on me and my students who were mostly Hispanic..

    We all have different experiences. My wife is a bilingual education teacher as well with hispanic heritage ( she looks Mexican) . She has always been treated with kindness, respect and admiration. I cannot recall any situations where my wife experienced discrimination or disrespect for speaking two languages. I think Maureen's experience is not representative of the norm. I admire people who can speak two languages well and think it is an advantage in our society.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:33 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    Marcia, sorrry I'm getting here late. Haven't read the earlier entries here.

    Why would anyone vote republican (or even register as a republican)?

    1. Their parents were republicans
    2. They haven't thought through the apparent republican platform of giving
    everyone (but themselves) less
    3. They are universally angry at anything from the time they get up in the morning
    to the time they go to bed,.
    4. They generally are not in an upper economic strata, but believe they are and as
    a result, they want everyone semi poor like themselves.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:00 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bill Stamos stated...One of the great problems facing the American economy is the income tax system which taxes productivity, it is also the greatest forum for corruption and federal control of citizens of the several states...

    Great post Bill... We have very similar views and perceptions concerning the controlling nature of government through regulations and mandates. The tax system with IRS powers to announce you guilty then requiring you to prove you are innocent gives them the fear factor to manipulate and control people's behavior. Taxing productivity to the extent it is, and then vilify people who are successful as well, it not good for our economy.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:52 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Eric: The same people that Obama says they can sell them to...the private sector! He wants to privatize space exploration and give the savings to his buddies in the welfare and government sectors.

    Aero-Jet is a PRIVATE company, get this...the government has no control over production, completion, hiring or firing...NONE. If no one wanted bombs or rockets, they would cease to build them and would probably find something else to do. The gov creates only a DEMAND, not a SUPPLY. Geeez get out from under that rock!

     
  • Maureen Bocardo posted at 5:09 am on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    maureen bocardo Posts: 3

    @ Mr. Carlson: I find it extremely interesting you think most teachers are Democrats. Perhaps, they are. I don't know where you did your fact checking; but in the 25+ years I spent teaching in Lodi and Stockton, I found it pretty lonely to be a Democrat in the schools where I taught. In fact, I took to avoiding the teacher's lunch rooms because the majority were Republicans who did not too favorably on me and my students who were mostly Hispanic. In fact, those of us teaching bilingual education didn't enjoy much respect from a large number of teachers who felt this country should be reserved for White English Only students. I find it strange people look down on me for being both white and bilingual. In most countries, people who speak only one language fall in the minority category. Yet, here I find myself having to encourage young people to not be ashamed of speaking two or more languages. Why is that? I would rather lose an eye than one of my languages. I see and understand so much more with two languages than I could ever comprehend with only English. As one of my sons put it, he would feel handicapped if all he knew was English. How sad, don't you think?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:12 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Jon I'm sorry long letters trouble you so much. it must be hard for you to pay attention. personally I like box kites

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:10 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Bill don't you think that the wealthy have the means (lawyers) to take full advantage of the system you suggest?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:08 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Kevin one problem with the authors conclusion is that Japan has a much higher rate of smokers and a similar alcohol consumption and Sweden has a higher rate of alcohol consumption and a similar rate of smoking. so those lifestyle choices don't really explain the difference.
    The authors referenced in the article state that socioeconomic reasons are a factor in mortality rates in the U.S.. Another paper by the authors states that the uninsured get 40 % of the medical treatment as the insured and the receive these services through religious and community services. Not really top notch health care

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:13 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Patrick,

    from there website... Welcome to Aerojet, a world recognized aerospace and defense leader principally serving the missile and space propulsion, and defense and armaments markets since 1942.

    perhaps you could tell me who aerojet would sell space propulsion and missiles too if not the government. and how they would have stayed in business. They may be privately/publicly owned but they are primarily a government contractor

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:47 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Joanne, what you heard Obama say on TV and what he means are two, maybe three different things, you so desperately want to believe him, but then again reality rears its ugly head and once again leftist like you are left holding the bag of lies and failed promises.

    I know what Bernie Sanders says he is, Maureen threw in the Socialist Progressive line so just to cover all of Bernie's bases I added a few more. I don't think Bernie would mind do you, now if you called him a Republican, his tiny little Socialist Progressive-Democrat head would explode.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 9:03 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    One of the great problems facing the American economy is the income tax system which taxes productivity, it is also the greatest forum for corruption and federal control of citizens of the several states. It is also unconstitutional as it is a direct tax on a person and not apportioned. We should scrap it and go to a value added tax collected by the state (in California, by the Board of Equalization). No more 1040 forms as the state would pay the tax to the feds. There would be no more complaints about 'big business' not paying enough as there would be no write-offs and no lobbying for loopholes. The more a person spends the more he/she would pay in taxes. Now, if rich man A traded a small island to rich man B for a luxury yacht and the trade was of equal value it would be an even trade and therefore would not be considered a taxable event. On the other hand if a sales tax applied they would both pay the appropriate sales tax. Even drug dealers would pay this federal value added tax!

     
  • stan taves posted at 8:04 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Dearest Marcia, you are a savage in more than name only.

     
  • John Krueg posted at 8:03 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Fireguy Posts: 1

    This is what really grinds my gears. People write these big long letters attacking another party like they have the answer to all the issues. For your info, the rich pay over 40% of all federal tax while 50% or close to it pay NO federal Tax and get all the help from the feds. Does that sound fair? NO We all must pay in to recieve something back.
    I am so sick of liberals saying the rich need to pay their fair share when they pay it all now. Just like Obumer said, take from the rich and give to the poor.
    All you lib's GO FLY A Kite.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:53 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    While I would never condemn anyone who claims to be a "proud progressive socialist," I certainly hope that anyone who runs for public office under such a banner would be soundly defeated. After all, in the United States we're supposed to be able to believe in whatever we choose. But as a proud conservative Republican, it’s doubtful that we’d ever see eye-to-eye; at least not ideologically.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:32 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Bransom...are you that GEICO guy who lives under the rock?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:27 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    Just like Eric's numbers earlier, the reason behind the numbers needs to be looked at besides just the numbers. Yes the numbers are tragically high, but is it because of a lack of health care or more the American mentality? Drug and alcohol abuse is still high in expectant mothers, obesity is growing, stress on the expectant mothers and over all diet all have an effect on infant mortality.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:22 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    Maureen, have you looked at the reasons why the US infant mortality rate is so high. It has less to do with medical care and more to do with what the mothers do. This article sums it up well:
    http://reason.com/archives/2009/08/24/the-truth-about-health-care-an

    One of the key factors is that the US has a much larger obese rate among expectant mothers which leads to birth issues.

    The last few paragraphs detail what has happened when states increase health care for expectant mothers.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 5:47 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    Oh Pat.. you are a sadly mis-informed individual. "The Government produces NOTHING?" Just one of thousands of examples is Drivers Licenses: How do you NOT have the government in charge of that? How about pollution? Oh... who made the laws that allow you to sell your BS on here? The Government is SUPPOSED to level the playing field. That is unless you are a repubican, then the government is supposed to subsidize the RICH and create/maintain HUGE deficits.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 5:42 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    Pat Maple said:" It would be my guess that not one of the (liberal) professors on this page has EVER CREATED a job in the private sector."

    Open Mouth. Insert Foot! You really need to get out.

     
  • Maureen Bocardo posted at 5:23 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    maureen bocardo Posts: 3

    Thank you, Joanne. Nice to know someone else in Lodi has either studied Political Science and/or knows how to look up the meaning of vocabulary words they don't know.
    @ Kevin It appears we must agree to disagree about the good done by organized religions both here in the US and abroad. I've lived, worked and studied in three countries outside the United States. All 3 had universal health care. I consider it immoral that we do not enjoy the same quality of health care in this country. I'm proud to be an American for many reasons; but, I must disagree with John Boehner's claim that we "have the finest health care system in the world." What world is he talking about? We're rated at 32nd for life-expectancy and 41st for infant mortality. I find that shameful. Yes, Mr. Boehner and the other members of Congress do have the finest health care in the world at the rest of the American taxpayer's expense.

    In addition to having worked for Christian broadcasting for both radio and television, I have also over 30 years experience as one of those "bad liberal professors." While most of my teaching was done in our less than perfect public school system, I've also taught at both Catholic and schools of other Christian denominations. My first-hand experience in broadcasting and teaching in private Christian schools taught me my skepticism. I fear rather than all the good you've seen I saw a great deal of hypocrisy, depraved indifference, corruption and greed. I've taught at every level from K through Spanish IV at a private university.

    In all fairness, after visiting St. Jude's Children's Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, I was impressed with their great humanitarian effort. No one is turned away due to the inability to pay. That is my favorite charity.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:18 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Eric: Aero-Jet was a private business...that contracted with hundreds of other private companies to build and create products. For instance, when I was doing work there, the Jarvik heart-pump research was being done there.

    The government wanted a product (created a want or need), the private sector decided they could do the job (manpower), the private sector invested capital into goods, equipment and services (private money), because they saw they could make a PROFIT and get ahead, in order to do so, they HIRED people (who fulfilled their needs), to build those products...they then sold them to the government for a PROFIT...just like Boeing, GE, Ford, Exxon...because the Government is a CONSUMER! Just like you. The CONSUMER does not compete with the PRODUCERS...the government produces NOTHING except a pain in the collective ass of the private sector...namely taxes, regulations and obstructions.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:16 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

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    Mr. Musto: Are you confusing "significant reductions in Medicare spending" with cracking down on Medicare fraud? That is what I heard Obama say in one of his televised speeches. The millions stolen each year by crooked providers and their cohorts needs to stop.

    "Tackle the rising cost of Social Security" means cutting it? I suppose you think that Obama is going to propose engaging in euthanasia (through the Obamacare death panels, of course) to get rid of the SS deadbeats who are costing both SS and MC too much.

    Senator Sanders describes himself as a "social democrat," far from a "socialist, Marxist, communist," which - look it up - are three entirely different (from each other) economic philosophies.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:12 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Patrick, Aero-Jet is a great example, after many decades of space exploration I don't think anyone has turned a profit out of space travel. Without goverment Aero-Jet wouldn't exist. The internet and oil exploration were subsidiesed by the goverment for years as they weren't profitable endeavors and business does not invest in unprofitable enterprises.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 3:57 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Marcia Savage, I cannot say that I am proud to vote for a Republican ticket but they seem to represent the government I envision when considering the mandates of the United States Constitution. In my opinion it is utterly insane for any politician to think there will be enough money in any budget that would provide a safety net of financial needs for every person from the womb to the tomb.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 3:25 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506


    The Washington Post, Business section reported back on July 6th, that President Obama, in his attempt to broker a deal with Congress, has proposed "significant reductions" in Medicare spending and, for the first time, is offering to tackle "the rising cost of Social Security."

    Maureen, by the looks of it, President Obama is going to be your son's first "Cainiologist, " congratulations.

    Socialist, Marxist, Communist, Bernie Sanders votes with the Democrats 98% of the time, maybe that 2% makes you a closet Republican???

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:14 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    "Yet, I believe if we had true "separation of Church and State" in this country—no religion would be exempt from paying taxes. Just imagine the boost in revenue to the national and state treasuries"

    Yup, and just imagine all the charitable work that churches do drying up and millions the churches help around the world turning to the government for MORE handouts. If you take money away from churches that help the homeless, hungry and desperate they will turn to the government which will suck more limited funds out of the system.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:08 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    Eric asked me: "They where terrible managers they walked away with million if not billions almost destroyed the economy how do you figure they where worth that kind of compensation. How do you explain that one of the best economic times for the middle class in this country the CEO's compensation was much more equitable."

    Since there were probably contracts involved I suspect the reason that they were able to walk away with so much is that they had a guaranteed retirement package. I hope businesses learn from this and the retirement packages are commensurate with the performance of the company. How many of those over the top retirement packages were paid for with government bailout money started by Bush and continued by Obama?

    The reason the best economic time for the middle class was back then I already alluded to. The middle class lived with in our means. Meaning they bought small houses, drove cars until they dropped, didn't run credit card debt to the limit on multiple cards. If you ever listen to Dave Ramsey you will hear stories of people who make less than $40K a year living debt free and have money to spend on the nice things in life. And you will hear stories of people making 6-figures who are bankrupt and can't make ends meet.

    Greed says give me more money so I can have everything they have, wisdom says let me spend the money I make carefully so I can have everything I need with left over for what I want. This country has been spending with greed, not with wisdom for a long time now and each generation is learning to seek greed more than wisdom.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:46 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    The legislation did not create the jobs...PEOPLE created jobs. The investors created the jobs. WITHOUT the investors...those who took the risks...there would be no internet...just as there would have been no telephones without the investors...no oil wells...no nuclear power...write all the legislation you want...legislate that we will travel to the next universe...without the private sector...companies like Aero-Jet...we would NEVER have made it to the moon.

    Jeeezzz!! Come on!!! You can legislate all the health care you want...but unless people BUY-IN it won't work. Try telling me that I must see a certain doctor for cancer when she is a pediatrician and is the only one available. If you could legislate people to WORK there would be NO unemployment! Alas...we cannot!

     
  • Maureen Bocardo posted at 2:19 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    maureen bocardo Posts: 3

    Great letter, Marcia. As for those who feel we proud "Progressive Liberals" try to legislate too much, I would like to ask a question? Why do right-wing evangelical extremists who claim to want less legislation insist on trying to legislate morality? While the words, "separation of Church and State" do NOT appear in the Constitution—"freedom of religion" do. The first settlers came to America in search of religious freedom. Then, turned around and tried to deny it to those who were already here and those who followed. One of my sons recently pointed out to me that the form of Christianity being practiced by those who wish to cut social programs should be called "Cain-i-ology" [as in Cain killed his brother Able]. Are we not "our brothers' keepers" anymore? I'm not an atheist; I hold a minor degree in theology from a Catholic university. Yet, I believe if we had true "separation of Church and State" in this country—no religion would be exempt from paying taxes. Just imagine the boost in revenue to the national and state treasuries! As for welfare fraud, in addition to the religion of greed practiced by the insurance, banking, pharmaceutical and other big corporations who pay little in taxes—why not look at the biggest case of welfare fraud of all? Why is it members of Congress (who are not independent contractors) were allowed to vote themselves 100% of their salaries for life in addition to the "best" health care for life for themselves and their spouses? Seems to me, we need a new amendment to the Constitution which would prohibit Congress from passing laws which either exempt them from obeying all the laws the rest of us must obey and/or giving them special privileges for life the rest of us do not enjoy. What kind of democracy allows the employees (members of Congress) to dictate their own salary and benefits without any negotiation or input from the employers (the American people)? Anyone who believes we still live in a democracy probably doesn't understand the definition of the word? Those who equate "socialism" with "communism" need to study some political science. At the moment, the member of Congress I most admire is Bernie Sanders of Vermont. He's neither a Republican nor a Democrat. He's a proud Progressive Socialist. I guess that makes me one too.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:51 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Patrick stated ..NO piece of legislation has EVER created a private sector job...

    In 1982 the Internet Protocol Suite (TCP/IP) was standardized and the concept of a world-wide network of fully interconnected TCP/IP networks called the Internet was introduced. Access to the ARPANET was expanded in 1981 when the National Science Foundation (NSF) developed the Computer Science Network (CSNET) and again in 1986 when NSFNET provided access to supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations.

    It is estimated that today the internet ha screated 3 million jobs

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:27 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    "We can put light where there's darkness, and hope where there's despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a nation to encourage folks to own their own home."

    - President George W. Bush, Oct. 15, 2002

    Looking back, Keith Hennessey, Bush's current chief economic adviser, said he and his colleagues had done the best they could "with the information we had at the time." But Hennessey did say he regretted that the administration had not paid more heed to the dangers of easy lending practices.

    And both Paulson and his predecessor, John Snow, say the housing push went too far.

    "The Bush administration took a lot of pride that home ownership had reached historic highs," Snow said during an interview. "But what we forgot in the process was that it has to be done in the context of people being able to afford their house. We now realize there was a high cost."

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:18 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I will finish with this bit of humor for our current president and much of the Congress:

    Psalm 109:8 ~ "Let his days be few and brief; and let others step forward to replace him."

    And I am not even religious...AMEN!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:13 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    ms b: We agree on the child support. We agree that Congress is FULL of quasi criminals...both sides. We also agree that not much ever gets done about it and that voters are often duped by criminals or people who not quite clean. I believe, as many here do, that is exactly what happened in 2008.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:07 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Revulsion and repulsive rants! NO piece of legislation has EVER created a private sector job... ONLY government jobs that are funded through the taxing of private sector jobs. The ignorance of so many on this thread is astounding!

    It would be my guess that not one of the (liberal) professors on this page has EVER CREATED a job in the private sector. Private sector jobs are created from NEEDS and WANTS...I need some food which creates the want for a solution...which creates a solution... not WANT and NEED... like...I want something (an assistant) so I will create a need for it...and then create a solution for it.

    More simply put...the creators create jobs to fill voids...the government creates voids to fill jobs. The question is...who pays for it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:35 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Now, since it is well know that everyone on this site posts accurate information, Mr. Cawelti and Mr. Paglia cannot both be correct. The first accuses Democrats of instituting "The Great Society," a portion of which was the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the second claims the Republicans passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act over the protests of the "racist" democrats. Aside from the disgrace that was Strom Thurmond, who else was "racist?"

    The funniest (actually most pathetic) bit of right-wing hypocrisy to come to light recently was from Tea Party Republican Joe Walsh. While loud-mouthing his way through Congress and calling on the government to live within its means, he not only had his home foreclosed, but now we find he owes over $100K in back child support - hasn't paid a dime since 2002. He should be in jail, not Congress.

     
  • Craig Cawelti posted at 12:23 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Craig Cawelti Posts: 36

    Government regulation drove more companies into the ground than corrupt CEO's. The banking industry was destroyed not only by bad CEO's but by the government forcing them to make home loans to people who had no way to pay for them. Who promoted this? Sen. Dodd and Sen. Frank. Both Democrats.

     
  • Tom Carlson posted at 11:21 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Tom Carlson Posts: 69

    Marcia, your own words answer the question. "The list is endless". I am a republican who sympathizes with the tea party because I want to be free of the government. The democrats (and lately the republicans as well) have invaded every part of my life and society. They have stripped my property rights, free speech rights, rights to assembly, right to control the education of my children. They regulate my life from craddle to grave.

    The reason I cannot be a democrat (regardless of how crappy the republicans have been lately) is that I cannot embrace the welfare state. Every bad thing that happens must have a government cure in the eyes of the democrats. There is no personal responsibility. Look at education for an example of a profession ruined by Democrats. Johnny can't read, write, or balance a checkbook. But he is an expert at putting on a condom. But the teachers who are almost all democrats will not own up to their failures. They blame republicans for laws that require basics to be tested and passed by students. These Democrats can't teach, and they have ruined what was once the best education system in the world. But they are protected by the legislatures, get their cushy benefits, and march on the capitol whenever you even look at the cost of the crappy education they provide.

    So Marcia, you like being part of that group?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:10 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Kevin the CEOs of the major finacial institutions drove their businesses into the ground. They where terrible managers they walked away with million if not billions almost destroyed the economy how do you figure they where worth that kind of compensation. How do you explain that one of the best economic times for the middle class in this country the CEO's compensation was much more equitable. Repubs seem to think that our economic pie is limitless, if 1% of the population takes 90 % of the pie that leaves 10% for the rest of the country. A person may say that is capitalism but if nobody has any money who is going to buy anything from the corporations, foriegn markets is who. The middle class is being left behind maybe thats fair in a pure capatilist system but it's a lousy way to run a country

     
  • Craig Cawelti posted at 11:08 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Craig Cawelti Posts: 36

    After asking her rhetorical questions, Ms. Savage should have promoted all of the wonderful legislation that the Democrats have forced upon the multitudes. Obamacare, the New Deal, the Great Society, sanctuary cities, helmet laws, tobacco and gun bans, any number of tax increases, the Departments of Education and Homeland Security, etc... The list of freedom limiting, personal responsibility retarding, "government is the answer" promoting legislation sponsored and passed by the Democrat party is seemingly endless.
    While the Republican party certainly has blood on it's hands for not standing against these abominations, their record for promoting American exceptionalism goes beyond that of the Democrats. As somone put it, "not perfect, but better".
    Of course, my examples are going to mean nothing to those like Ms, Savage, who get their marching orders from the main stream media and the self promoters of the Democrat party. Liars believe liars because that's all they know. Read a book by someone with a different perspective. You may get the historical education that you were supposed to get in school. But then, that would be risky to those who need the government to think for them.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    Boy I'm chatty today.

    Last bit. I believe workers should be paid what they are worth, not what the government tells a company to pay. I also don't believe that people should be punished by having to pay a higher tax rate just because they have been successful. Why shouldn't a CEO with a double doctorate make the big bucks over a high school drop out?

    I also believe that there needs to be a national flat tax between 15-17.5 %. Even with tax credits and such the lowest that rate should be allowed to go is 10%. This goes for businesses as well. No business should get so many tax breaks that they pay 00 in taxes. the 10% minimum tax limit would apply to them as well. That is the kind of tax plan I would support.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:55 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    (unrelated to Eric's post here) What I find funny is that if this was written by a Republican, challenging the Dems the same way with the same tone, then the Liberals on the boards here would be yelling about the writer being a hater, racist and all sorts of other names.

    Back to Eric: I'm not arguing that the CEO's don't make a lot of money. They make a posterior load of money. But from building a successful billion dollar business view point who would you rather pay the big money to, the new hire who may only be with you a few months or years with a hundred other applicant who want his job, or the CEO who is running the business successfully?

    I'm reminded of back when Joe Montana was playing. The 49er's had Steve young and were paying him more than most other starting quarterbacks even though he was a back up. I seem to recall that even their third string was making more than a few starters. Why? Because to the 49er's it was worth paying more to these guys so the competition couldn't have them. It was a sound business practice of theirs that works in real business as well.

    I tried to find what % of charity dollars comes from these Fortune 500 CEO's that everyone vilifies for being successful but couldn't. Closest was this http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/11/charities-corporations-giving-cx_lm_1114charity.html

    Studies have found that tax breaks INCREASE charitable donations from the wealthy. http://library.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=28&page=94

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:40 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Kevin I do agree with you I would also add that buying local would go a long way to shutting down the corporations but I still have a problem with the ridiculous profits from corporations while they benefit from subsidies, banks that take bailout money and then won't work with people to keep them out of foreclosure and tax rates for the wealthy at their lowest in over 50 years why unemployment stays high and we slash social safety nets.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:37 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    As for the stock numbers. Of course only a small portion will own the majority of stocks. they are the business owners who want to maintain control of their businesses. Are you suggesting that people be forced to sell controlling interest in their own companies so that more people can invest in them?

    And of course the housing costs are going to sky rocket. Liberal judges have been awarding liability lawsuits to everyone with stubbed toe driving up costs of doing business. Look at the scum lawyer driving businesses out so he can make a buck. Housing supply companies face the same thing. Some kid sticks his finger in a socket and everyone up the line gets sued by the parents. Additionally contractors are pressured to use high costing union labor driving coasts up.

    Now for the exec pay to worker pay ratio (for reference): http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/28/news/economy/ceo_pay_workers/index.htm

    Are you really arguing that the salary of someone punching buttons at Walmart is comparable to the CEO's who manage the million plus workers the billions in product, distribution, benefits packages for all the workers and and so on? Wages are a simple supply and demand ratio. The more people that can do your job, the less you will get paid. The fewer people that can do your job as good as you the more you will get paid. Have you ever worked at a job where you didn't feel like you were paid enough? What did you do? Most Americans look for better paying jobs. Now if you run a multi billion dollar business and you have someone who is running your business so well that the competition wants him wouldn't you pay him more to keep him (or her)? Would you really let you best resource go and make your competition stronger? It is an old saying but being paid "just enough to keep you there" is the model most businesses use. Why? Because businesses are there to make profit, for the most part.

     
  • Kevin Hartung posted at 10:27 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Hartung Posts: 2

    Oh and Mr. Kinderman, I find it very hard to believe that you have the audacity to tell Ms. Savage that she is "terribly misinformed", especially when it comes from an individual as ignorant as yourself. All you do on this website is search around for liberal posts in a sad attempt to flood it with your hate-spewing, anti-Obama, conservative ideas. Please, my friend, educate yourself before hopping on this site again. I recommend that you don't watch Fox News anymore, that would be a step in the right direction.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    Eric, there is more to the numbers than just the numbers.

    WHY is there an increase in bankruptcy? I see three reasons. First is the American mentality of buy, buy, buy. It is interesting that credit card abuse has gone up equally with bankruptcy. Here's a little tip, if you don't have cash for it, don't buy it. I do recognize the exceptions here where people lose their job and need the credit card as temporary fix. But since a majority of people use their credit cards as if it were real money, drive up $10K+ in credit card bills where their minimum payment is more than they can afford, what do they do, declare bankruptcy.

    Reason two: People think buying bigger is better. Trading in their working car for a newer model just because it is newer. Buying a house that pushes their budget to the breaking point because that is the most house they can afford, buying all sorts of big boy toys with a we'll figure out where the money will come from later mentality. Then when they can't make the payments, they declare bankruptcy.

    Reason three: The constant bombardment from "finance fixing" agencies where they fix your finances by having you declare bankruptcy, even though you were able to meet you bills.

    Without the stats behind the numbers like who and why the bankruptcy, then the number mean very little. I've known people making $200k+ declare bankruptcy so they could restructure their debt and have more fun cash. They weren't any where close to needing the bankruptcy, they just wanted more cash. I believe bankruptcy is the new workers comp fraud, claiming it when it is not needed, and skewing the numbers from those that really do need the help.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:15 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Eric speaking of "big yachts", you do know that Democrat Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts just purchased, for his family a $7 million dollar yacht, and had it docked in Rhode Island to avoid having to pay the state of Massachusetts a one time sales tax of $437,500 dollars. He was also able save a cool $70,000 dollars in excise taxes.

    Got to love those poor Democrats, always fighting for the little guy, wonder how many people in Kerry's debt ridden state could have used some of that half a million dollars of extra income??

     
  • Kevin Hartung posted at 10:10 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Hartung Posts: 2

    Ah someone with a good head on their shoulders! Great letter Marcia, its nice to know there are some educated people in this sad, conservative little town.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:00 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    "We've got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor did not call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. The President of the United States called for that. My response to him is to mass thousands of people in front of the White House to protest this."
    Democrat Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, at a press conference held yesterday by House "Out of Poverty Caucus."

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:53 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Jerome the goverment has already decided how big your yacht can be it is just that the wealthy have all the breaks today. They come in the form of subsidies to wealthy corporations, offshore accounts, tax breaks, overseas manufacturing, record profits from insurance companies, goverment military contracts and those with large stock portfolios benefit from all of the above.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

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    Ms Savage stated...I would like to ask the Republican readers of the Lodi News-Sentinel if they are proud to be Republicans and, if so, why? What do they think is the most profound piece of legislation their party has ever passed?

    ANSWER... The most important thing I want my politicians to do is fight against mandates that force people to live like the government dictates. I want less legislation... not more. The most important activity conservatives can do is fight against liberals like Marcia Savage who thinks governments job is the “help” from a way they define “help”. For example, I want to be free to opt out of social security. The government forces me to contribute. Give me the freedom to participate if I want to. I do not like being forced to depend on the government. Look at this latest scare Obama and his heartless cronies perpetrated who threatened to withhold social security checks for the elderly. If I could have opted out 30 years ago, I could have invested that money and not worried if the government would send me my check. So in my view, social security hurts me.. does not help.

    If I could make an urgent plea... Marcia... Please do not help me...

    please stop forcing me to depend on the government for my survival. Please leave me alone. Please get out of my way and stop thinking you are helping me... you are hurting me. My question to you is... why do democrats think they are helping? Why do democrats insist on mandating how I can live my life. Why do democrats insist on supporting what I think is slavery of poor people by making them dependent on you (government) for their survival? Why do Democrats insist on calling successful hard working people “ terrorists” because they want you to leave them alone . These terrorists pay for most tax sponsored programs while the beneficiaries of these programs take from the successful because they can... its called redistribution of wealth. 50% of all Americans pay no federal income tax. For you to say that people who pay 45% of what they earn is heartless is absurd. If 50% of Americans pay no tax... then why do you not call these people “greedy”.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:02 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Marcie,
    Tthe recent debt ceiling compromise supports your point, repubs doing nothing to help the middle class or whats left of it while the continue to protect the wealthy. the repubs care little that 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people, 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans, over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008, only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975, for the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together, in 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one. The list goes on and on and the repubs continue to protect the "job creators" the very wealthy have had huge tax breaks for a decade so where are all the jobs. Yes they can buy some very big yachts.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:57 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Mr. Nelson submits that “[t]he reason the government wants to ‘provide’ healthcare, is so that they can control costs.”

    As this relates to the progressive movement, Mr. Nelson, I believe the reason(s) are much more insidious. What they really want is control over all Americans, not just our money.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:48 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Marcia wrote:

    What do they think is the most profound piece of legislation their party has ever passed?

    -Honestly Marcia,

    You do realize the LNS does not give us enough room to perform such a task. and do you realy expect the liberal media to give credit to the Republicans? So, I will be posting from conservative sites, you probably don't visit, all the profound pieces of leglisation YOU are unaware of, in an abridged manner.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:41 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    If Ms. Savage (boy isn't that an appropriate name) was truly interested then she could have done exactly what I just did, Googled Republican passed bills.

    First on the list 1964 Civil right act. A bill to protect the rights of Blacks that was strongly opposed by the racist Democratic leaders at the time.

    Environmentally: Here's a top ten list http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/republican-environmental-47061502

    Medicare passed in the 60's with help from republican votes in house and senate (70 yea/68 nay and 13y/17n)

    Republicans have been championing privatization of Social Security. there are both pros and cons to this, but I think the pros out weigh the cons. Especially when the Government is running the current Social Security program as a special little bank. Take our retirement $$ away from the money hungry politicians seems like a good idea to me. http://socialsecurity.procon.org/

    Currently Republicans are working on an immigration bill that will allow states to enforce Border laws. http://www.libertyjuice.com/2011/02/03/republican-rep-to-bring-arizona-like-immigration-law-national/

    As I have said over and over, neither party has all the answers. A real effort need to be made where the parties are working together, not trying to demonize the other like Ms Savage enjoys doing.

    I strongly support the idea of a line item vote for all bills. I believe that we would see that most of our politicians agree on most things, but it is the small sticking points that need to be hammered out. Maybe if our national Republican and Democratic leaders started working together instead of verballing abusing each other every chance they get the country could get back to fixing it's problems. And maybe there would be a few fewer letters to the editor with the sole purpose of putting down the authors neighbors.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:36 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Marcia wrote:

    Why are the Republicans so determined to gut everything that keeps us safe and healthy?

    -Marcia, Marcia, Marcia

    A talking point of the left. You could at least be somewhat more accurate by stating; It's the Republicans who want to slow growth of government and also
    end unnecessary entitlement programs. But then you wouldn't be able to make your point that it's ONLY the Democrats doing any good. This, of course, you define good by growing governement by leaps and bounds.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:56 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    The answer to "Just how big does your Yacht have to be" is quite simple: at least in the America I grew up in, just as big as each one of us desires. This is precisely the meaning of "pursuit of happiness" contained in the Declaration of Independence.

    I wonder though, who else should actually decide how big one's yacht should be; the government?

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 7:46 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    Ms Savage, I don't know where to start, but I'll hit a few. If the social safety net of SS, Medicare and Medicaid go bankrupt, it will be due to inaction by the Democrat party. Not because of attempts by Republicans to deal with the reality, and inevitability of the situation. The reason the government wants to "provide" healthcare, is so that they can control costs. The likely road to controlling those costs will be to deny coverage.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 7:42 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    Count me in Marcia, but I hope you are not putting the Democrats up on a pedestal as well. They seem to be the lesser of 2 evils at this point. But I get your point. The Jobs went away when the Democrats allowed unrestricted free trade to invade our country and "POOF" there went all the low-income jobs for people who don't really care about money, education or absurdity. Wanda Sykes said it best, "Just how big does your Yacht have to be?"

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:36 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    I'm sorry Ms. Savage, but you seem to be terribly misinformed. Any "unraveling of our country" was promised by then-candidate Barack Obama as he promised to transform the United States of America. Since taking the oath of office nearly three years ago he's the one hell-bent on destroying our Republic; not the Republicans.

    You also appear to forget that it was the Democrats who rammed through that healthcare atrocity while permitting no input from Republicans or anyone else. Rhetorically, should I really quote the likes of Nancy Pelosi who insisted that in spite of what the "People" wanted, there would be some sort of pole-vaulting over them and the Constitution to get that legislation passed insisting that Congress would have to pass it first?

    C'mon, Ms. Savage - I suspect your "rhetorical" interrogatories are actually proffered with a deep desire that no one in Lodi will actually provide some answers. However, at least on the pages of the electronic version of the News-Sentinel, they've been asked and answered many times over. Sadly, it would also seem that you haven't been listening; or maybe you really don't understand what has been going on during the past two and one-half years?

    The News-Sentinel's internal search engine is actually pretty good. You might want to take it on a test-drive in an effort to learn what Lodians have been thinking and wanting for a long time. Otherwise stand-by, they might be forthcoming here.

     

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