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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 5:57 am, Thu Dec 13, 2012.

I am not sure what parade Christy White was watching, but there was no "sexuality" on this float. What I saw was a bunch of kids with rainbow flags dancing around and smiling and wishing people a merry Christmas.

The parade committee is not going to allow any group, gay or straight, to have naked people on floats!

As a mother, if one of my kids was gay I would be happy that he had a peer group in which he could feel accepted and comfortable in.

As for this being a family event, families come in many different packages, not just the one defined by you!

Barbara Nahas

Lodi

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76 comments:

  • brian ratto posted at 9:26 am on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    brian ratto Posts: 8

    Just another invitation to everyone here.
    The Lodi Rainbow Project is meeting on January 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm at the Lodi Round Table Pizza (Kettleman Ln. and Lower Sacramento Rd.)
    Everyone is welcome to join us.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:05 am on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Sexuality: defined: involvement or interest in sexual activity, sexual appeal or potency, the state of being sexual: Same as sexual orientation.

    As defined above sex was being promoted in a Christmas parade.
    I don't remember anyone stating that the people on the float were being sexually explicit (not like in SF parades), sexually suggestive or having sex. As has been suggested by a lot of the liberal posters here...

    As I have stated in other posts, what you do in your own home (as long as it is legal) and in your bedroom is your business or problem. I do not have to agree with it. When it is done publicly I do have a right to my feelings, beliefs and reactions (just like they do). When you advertise your position or cause, people have a right to their position and protest. Promoting a casue or position in a parade that is political or sexual in nature is not appropriate. I can just imagine how many who post here would have reacted had the float been labled with a NAMBLA poster.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:52 pm on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I know Mr Chang...truth is not important to you... Im sure you think your distortions funny... [thumbdown]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 2:58 pm on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    [lol]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:53 pm on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Peter, Thanks for clarifying your perspective. I hope to read your posts more often.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:47 pm on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Heres a rule that helps me to motivate myself and maintain ethics while commenting .........

    When someone distorts and lies about the comments you make, simply offer truth by correcting and countering the distortion. You must do this for the sake of truth and not be concerned with the person who wants to distort.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:11 pm on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 11:44 am on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    Heres a rule that helps me maintain my sanity and ethics while commenting .........

    ... Never argue with Drunks, Idiots or the Insane.(trolls)

    MY ADVICE ---> Just state Your opinion in clear and sensible sentences that the average high school student could understand, and NEVER EVER respond to those who will take Your Pearls and trample them in the mud...<---- a good friend told us that one....

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:14 am on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Hopefully LNS is going to delete all posts that contain personal attacks on other posters. This would make this forum a place where ideas and principles are debated. I have been guilty as anyone in the area of personal attacks. I have been making an effort not to go there recently. If LNS is going to go to war against personal attacks on this forum I say BRAVO!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:25 am on Mon, Dec 17, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Again Inexplicably removed. Walter Chang comments were again not offensive or not anymore offensive than some posts that continue to be allowed. I mean the one post was about bullies. An academic discussion. So many hurtful remarks were made against the LGBT community yet they remain. The one comment was about chaseing away people with the allowed hurtful remarks. It really defies reason yet no exlanation is deemed necessary.

     
  • Peter Bellville posted at 10:14 pm on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    gopher Posts: 26

    A couple generations ago homosexuality was repugnant, shunned, ostracized, as a monstrous vice. Later it was endured as a subculture, pitied as a mental illness, and now paraded before our faces to be embraced. Judge Scalia was questioned in the news recently for his comments about gay marriage. Back in 2003 he predicted gay marriage would be legalized. What is next? Incest? Murder? We are a schizophrenic nation in search for our morality because we have lost it. We are being blinded by a moral syphilis.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:39 pm on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Double applause (two thumbs up) to Mr Chang
    [thumbup] [thumbup]

    In case this post disappears I just want it known I was responding to a post that was here.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:24 pm on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    You mean like Adolph Hitler?
    Hmmmmmmm, could be
    I can't believe I'm getting a homework assignment here.
    First link was iteresting reading especially with the counter personality type"victum." Second link has many links.Whens this paper due?

    C-Span 2 BookTV has an interview toda with Cynthia Lowen on her book "Bully: An Action Plan for Teachers, Parents and Communities to Combat the Bullying Crisis."which is timely considering our discussion here.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:05 pm on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    To MR Kinderman
    You doth defend himself too greatly.
    You doth repeat himself too much.
    Read your posts on previous threads on this topic.
    You were against the float. Why?
    You have an opinion. Your opinion is based on your religion.
    Everyone knows your opinion.
    When people disagree its with THEIR opinion
    Repeating and insisting on your opinion can only be bullying.

    I don't want to go back and raise the hateful statements raised by many of which you DIDN'T CONDEM but simply chimed in with. There was little talk of forgive the sinners then.

    So you can nit-pic well I didn't say that exactly but your silence to others saying it spoke volumns. It was only later after you were called on the fact you displayed little christian chartiy and were schroogish in your lack of holiday spirit did you start trying to justify your position. Whether you were trying to fortify your argument or reconcile any conflict you have is not clear.

    The fact that others raised their counter opinions saying the float was fine or that there are other beliefs in the community were dismissed by your repeated attempts to foster your opinion. Even to the point of saying there would be consequences not following your opinion (jidgement day). Then going on to state what should be in the parade and what its theme should be (religious observation) continued the provocation.

    Others seemed to practice your stated belief that forgive the sinners but not the sin. So yes the lesson is if you believe homosexuality is a sin then by all means don't practice it. You will be rewarded if you are right. But if someone else believes it is ok then they will practice what they believe. If they are right they will be rewarded. Or then again in the end none of this mattered anyway.

    You supporting those insisting the sinners and the sin (so to speak) should all be banned from the parade, meaning they should be discriminated against and not allowed in the parade, put you on the side of predjudice. That your religion caused your predudice does not alter the fact of the predudice.

    Now to go on for days trying to justify your position while others have laid it to rest is indicative of desperate attempts to validate if not win the argument which is symptomatic of behavior that is bullying. Bullying is not love nor is it forgiving. Bullying is an act of war.

    I will always interpret bullying as hate because that is what it is if not a sickness.

    BTW Who was Jesus talking to when he said sin no more to the woman? To the woman or the priests observing and ready to condem him. It does make a difference.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:47 pm on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Walter, we love you but you are just feeding the troll

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:27 pm on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    "Inexplicately removed"

    [lol]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Interesting Mr Chang never has a problem with Lucas/Bobin/Heuer/ type liberals that viciously attack conservatives with distortions and lies... yet pretends to be objective but at the same time intentionally distorts conservative positions often.

    Hopefully you will someday overcome your deep anger and bitterness to the groups of people you demonstrate bigotry to.

    I hope that all people go to the ballot box...no matter the agenda. I would not dream of chasing anyone away from discussing topics as you claim.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:51 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    "You can't chase them away from the ballot box."

    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:48 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    Darrell, I think...

    You and your "peer group" chased away...

    All of those bright and well adjusted young people...

    That rolled through here last week.

    Fortunately for the rest of us...

    You can't chase them away from the ballot box!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:35 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Interesting that you posted this poem in this thread Peter. Do you really think it fits? If so why?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:43 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There have been many arguments about whether being gay is a sin or not. This is not really what this is all about

    Jerome said:

    Mr. Baumbach, while "society" may have decided that church and state should not be unified, the Founders had no such intention.

    What he is saying is that because he and his religion views that being gay is a sin that society is obligated to do the same. Therefore the LBGT float should have been denied permission to be in the parade. That is the core of his argument. He is advocating a theocracy.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:42 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Indeed Mr. Baumbach, and I also challenge anyone to provide proof that I've ever "insisted . . . we need to hate and discriminate against the LGBT community." This is of course unless Mr. Heuer was referring to a different "jerome." (sic)

    In my life I know and love a number of homosexuals. Two music teachers of mine from Philadelphia will always be very dear to me. While they were instrumental in developing my deep love for all types of music and musicology, they also helped me during some very difficult and trying times as a young man. My reunion with them in 2010 was one of the most joyous events of my life. Just because I cannot approve of their homosexuality doesn't mean I can't love them as Christ admonishes me to do. And frankly, I never needed Jesus to teach me to love them - it just came naturally.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:32 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    I believe that while Christ would very well admonish those who attack homosexuals with the same words from the Bible regarding casting the first stone if they've not sinned (which I do not believe Mr. Baumbach has been doing), He would then turn to the homosexual(s) and admonish them to "go and sin no more" just as He said to the woman who committed adultery.

    It is true that Christ expects us to not judge others for their sinful behavior because we are all sinners ourselves. But His insistence that we look at ourselves to correct our own sinful ways is equally as important. Also, those who believe that God does not hold homosexuality as sinful is incorrect. Along those lines, I would also suspect there are those here who would believe infidelity is no longer sinful in these so-called "enlightened times." But the example Christ made in New Testament Scripture is obviously clear about that. Just because He did not specifically refer to homosexuality as sinful during His short time teaching and preaching clearly doesn't make it any less so.

    Please remember that Christ said He didn't come to abolish the law or the prophets but instead he came to fulfill them. This is in direct reference to His keeping much of the Old Testament intact. There are those who believe that with the New Covenant of Grace provided through Christ's death on the Cross that the rules and commandments found in the Old Testament no longer apply. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    However, there are certain Covenants made in the Bible that refer to different people of Earth. I would advise anyone who wants to understand what the Bible actually expects of us to take the time to study it instead of just picking out the parts they think support their specific agendas. The leaving out a salient part of the story of the stoning of the woman in John 8 is a very good example. Verse 11 has yet to be removed from the Bible.

     
  • Peter Bellville posted at 9:52 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

    gopher Posts: 26

    Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
    As to be hated needs but to be seen;
    Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
    We first endure, then pity, then embrace.

    Alexander Pope
    Essay on Man

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:33 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer, thank you for warning Mr Roberts about your posts. I agree, they are misleading.

    For example, you posted at 10:58 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012..."you and jerome insisted yesterday we need to hate and discriminate against the LGBT community...

    But what I just posted at 3:38 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012. was...." I personally get along with and appreciate gay people. In fact, many times I find them more compassionate, caring and loving that non gay people. My neighbors for 10 years were gay and I so much enjoyed their company and friendship.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:30 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Mr Roberts
    You are absolutly correct
    Avoid misleading comments by someone that posts consistently misleading, self serving remarks and will always deny previous remarks in question

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:07 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Andy Crowder on Darrell Baumbach:
    I refuse to interact with him. If everyone did that, the fun would be gone for him. The News-Sentinel does not realize that many who would post here are turned away by his trolling, thereby reducing their advertising income. They give him permission to stalk and harass the other users of their website. It's bad business. No matter what he posts, do not validate his efforts with a response.

    Chalon for you not to post here would be this forums loss. Please continue to present your views here as you enrich and add to the vitality of the ideas presented here. Many of us have decided to ignore Mr. Baumbach as he is just a troll who exists to create flame wars. Take Mr Crowder's advice and do not let a troll dim the light of this forum by chasing you away

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:02 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Roberts stated...Darrell, you seem to have Conservative mixed up with Theocrats. A true conservative wants each to live as they want and choose without the government regulating every little thing.

    Sorry, have no idea what you are talking about. What post of mine led you to conclude your above statement. Are you sure you posted this in the right paper?

    What regulation are you thinking I am supporting that would diminish freedom of choice? This thread has become bizarre

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:57 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I agree with Mr. Crowder, I do not think it appropriate or useful to bring up what he did.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Roberts... can you please back up your accusation with specifics. Your claim of something I might be ignorant of is baseless. Since you claim I need education, educate me.

    Personally, I do not care if you are gay or straight, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. Makes no difference to me and you talking about it is off topic and not important to any point I have made.

    All I have seen from you are issues that have nothing to do with this letter or any point I made. I am curious exactly what you perceive I am ignorant of...at this point, your accusation is absurd.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 9:56 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Darrell, Some may not be tolerant, but your ignorance can not be held as truth. The propoganda you see on the news about SF Pride is just that, the most outrageous things (probably less than 2%) of whats really going on there. There are many many churches and other groups with floats in the SF Pride parade. They also have booths at the fair part of the event. Are there outrageous people at any event, yes. I think people are more annoyed with your ignorance and refusal to actually educate and learn on this subject than they are at anything else. Yes this is coming from a Gay, Christian, Republican I am the real oxymoron here [wink]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:53 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Tolerant? I just wrote a "book" (as you call it) on tolerance (another letter thread) because you and jerome insisted yesterday we need to hate and discriminate against the LGBT community

    More distortion Mr Heuer. You never tire of it which is why I post so often to correct your distortions.No, you were not tolerant at all, you are actually out of control.

    I was welcoming LGBT, not hating them. I suggested they hold a parade in Lodi if that is what they desire. Making political statements is American as apple pie. Why would I object to that.

    I stated you misunderstand... Maybe I am wrong. Maybe you understand but insist on distorting what my points are. You really need to embrace ethics Mr Heuer.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:57 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Brian, what you are talking about is the San Francisco event held in June and is in no way connected to Christmas. I personally do not object to any city that wants to have a LBGT parade to make political points as our country should have freedom to do this kind of things. San Francisco Advertises it as the world's largest LGBT event and is at least honest with what it is all about.

    I have more respect for San Francisco than Lodi as at least they are upfront with what is happening.

    I do agree that marketing products at the San Francisco event disrespect various groups like you mentioned in inappropriate. However, that too is a political statement that can result in harm to themselves.

    We also should have the freedom to object but unfortunately, the people on this thread are very intolerant of anyone who has a different perspective.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:45 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Robert your post is not coherent other than hate ridden ignorance. When you say "Your sexual orientation is your business, don't try to make it everyone elses business." But that is the point. As Eric stated there are those that have objections to the gay community and act violently toward its members making their lives a living hades. They are not making it your business (you could ignore it) but it is an effort to reach out to those that might not be aware their group exists that may want to join their friendly offer.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:21 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    [thumbup]
    Good post

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:18 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Issues? I would say so.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:10 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Brian this was uncalled for and distasteful when you said it before. Andy is right this displays a real immaturity the second time around.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:58 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Tolerant? I just wrote a "book" (as you call it) on tolerance (another letter thread) because you and jerome insisted yesterday we need to hate and discriminate against the LGBT community. Now Brian articulates your conspiracy of a gay hidden agenda. That is hate and not acdceptable.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:43 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Now thats a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:42 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    No again eric, it is not perceived as a holiday parade...again,you are absurd.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:08 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Brian, over and over again you repeat middle school euphemisms for same-sex intercourse. Why are you so obsessed with this act?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:09 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    That is strange. I am a straight person and that never crossed my mind. Got some issues Brian?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:08 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    yea and after that they will force sharia law on us and put us into FEMA concentration camps. Get real Brian

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:28 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Sam,

    The LGBT communtiy in Lodi is well aware of the LGBT parades and events in SF. It's common place to see vendors at these events and parades selling dildos shaped like Jesus. Now, it is not happening in Lodi yet. They are doing it in increments, though. One step at a time.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:22 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I feel good about Lodi everyday...[thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:09 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 6:52 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    John, I actually do too. Seriously. Sure there are some hateful comments on this blog, but there are a lot of loving, accepting comments here too. As a Christian, it warms my heart. As a member of our community, it makes me proud. Way to go Lodi !!!!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:30 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I really feel good about Lodi today

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 5:30 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Thank you Tim. Great post !!

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 5:17 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 554

    Are you sayin jesus christ can't hit a curveball?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:37 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:35 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1161

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:26 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thank you. Great post. [thumbup]

     
  • Tim Litton posted at 4:16 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Tim Litton Posts: 24

    Family values? Morality? Huh, which side are you on? Right? Left? As a father I teach my children to be true to themselves and live their life righteously and to not judge others for their misgivings and sins. It is not our job to pass judgment on our brothers and sisters of this world, but rather it is our job to help them and guide them. Many of you spew your hate and vitriol on this forum, and claim to be Christians. If in your heart of hearts you believe you are, then maybe you need to open the good book up a little more often. Jesus is about forgiveness and not passing judgment. He died for all of our sins, not just yours. So maybe you should not judge people just because they sin differently than you. So, values, morals, right, left, well, I’m on Christ’s side. What about You?

    John 8:7
    He lifted up himself and said unto them, he that is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her

    Matthew 7:1
    Do not judge or you too will be judged.

    Matthew 7:3
    Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

    Romans 2:1
    You who pass judgment on someone else, for whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself.

    Luke 6:37
    Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

    So in fact, what is more Christmas than a community accepting a group of people for who they are instead of what they are? Kudos to the Downtown Lodi Business Partnership for allowing this float! And, kudos for those who had the bravery to ride on that float and give us all a glimpse of things we need things we need to work on. Thank you!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:49 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:47 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    You said if it was a holiday parade you would have no problem with the float it is a holiday parade and yet you have a problem with the float even you cannot figure out what you mean in you’re post now that is absurd.

    Absurd - associated with extremely poor reasoning, the ridiculous, or nonsense.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:38 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Roberts. Are you intentionally distorting my position and thoughts? Why in the world would you conclude I am scared of people who identify themselves as gay?

    I personally get along with and appreciate gay people. In fact, many times I find them more compassionate, caring and loving that non gay people. My neighbors for 10 years were gay and I so much enjoyed their company and friendship.

    I think your comments are so far off base that I suspect you are simply an agitator and not a Christian at all.

    In fact, it is more likely you are an atheist since a Christian would not make unfounded accusations as you did

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 3:36 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Mr. Chapman, its not about "parading sexuality", its a social group of inclusion. Gay/Straight people of this community belong to the Rainbow Project. Gay people do have it rough all year, being picked on just because they love someone of the same gender. The group is trying to give positive role models and support to people who some time feel dejected to the point of suicide. People watching from the sidewalk who might be LGBT and not out of the closet may be able to identify with this group and feel better about themselves.

    Darrell, you seem to have Conservative mixed up with Theocrats. A true conservative wants each to live as they want and choose without the government regulating every little thing. Yes the Bible thumping far right wing has taken over the Republican Party, but in reality they are now Theocrats pushing their religion on other responsible adults. Where is MY freedom of religion? Where is my freedom from your thoughts? America was founded on freedom from oppresive religions, to each their own.

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 3:27 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    I doubt Jesus would give a damn about a parade.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:26 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Typical Darrell Baumbach. No valid counter argument go personal

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:23 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Yes Eric, but many posters on this issue have labeled it a Christmas parade and have even criticized Mr Kinderman and suggested he mind his own business and let people celebrate a Christmas parade their way. This is obviously perceived and known as a Christmas parade. Don't be absurd.

     
  • Oscar Orejel posted at 2:44 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    oscar orozco orejel Posts: 5

    I would like to cordially invite you all to a meeting of the Lodi Rainbow Project.
    We are having a meeting this Sunday December 16, 2012 at 1:00pm at the Lodi Public Library, in the conference room to the left of the main doors.
    Here is a link to the Facebook event for the meeting.
    https://www.facebook.com/events/140289056120585/?context=create
    We meet the third Sunday of every month at the Public Library.
    All are welcome to attend.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:29 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I will repeat what I said to Darrell:

    I see your point. They should get back in the closet where they belong. How dare they come together to celebrate with their fellow citizens by putting a float in a community parade. What do they think they are? A welcome part of the community?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:19 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Like others on this subject, I am perplexed as to why anyone would feel it necessary to "parade" their sexual orientation. Do they feel a some need to exhibit " in your face" behavior? Your sexual orientation is your business, don't try to make it everyone elses business.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:38 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    I have been critical in the past of LNS's choice of letters printed so I would like to applaud them today for printing not one but two letters responding to Christy Whites's mean spirited letter. A 1998 study in the US by Mental Health America found that students heard anti-gay slurs such as “h om o”, “fa g got” and “sissy” about 26 times a day on average, or once every 14 minutes and that thirty-one percent of gay youth had been threatened or injured at school in the last year alone. That's why these kids need a safe place to go and get away from attitudes such as those we are seeing here. I would like to add that a gay persons life is about alot more than sex just like all of our lives are about much more than sex.

     
  • Chalon Roberts posted at 1:30 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Chalon Posts: 21

    Eric, that was exactly what I was going to type. Darrell has issues of being scared of what gays and lesbians actually are, regular ol people who are just like you and me. The only real difference is that gay people are attracted to someone of the same gender. Darrell gay people dont want to know what you are doing behind closed doors, why do you have this need with them?

    Let me as you one more thing Darrell, as a Christian I ask myself, who would Jesus walk with in this Light Parade? Did Jesus not hang out and socialize with the people who were shunned in his day by society?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:12 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    Darrell stated "If we were to have a "holiday" parade instead of a Christmas parade, where anyone who wanted to celebrate and be part of the Lodi community in a constructive positive way could enter a float, then there would be no conflict." Glad to hear that Darrell because the Downtown Lodi website says "The Downtown Lodi Business Partnership presents the annual Parade of Lights – a magical holiday parade that illuminates the streets of downtown Lodi. " No mention of Chrismas so I assume you have no problem with the LGBT float, good for you.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:11 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 554

    so you're saying the rainbow flag offended you?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    To take a position that the float wasn't about anything sexual is absurd. Of course it was. After all, sexual attaction to the same sex is the very definition of this organization. If there was a float with well behaved men dressed in business suits adorned with swastica sashes and carrying Nazi flags would that offend anyone at the parade? I know I would be offended.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:52 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer is again going off topic... The point is this float should be welcomed with open arms and acceptance, but not at this event. I would be happy to help organize an event that accentuated various diversities, cultures and orientations.

    You clearly are not comprehending the obvious. If we were to have a "holiday" parade instead of a Christmas parade, where anyone who wanted to celebrate and be part of the Lodi community in a constructive positive way could enter a float, then there would be no conflict.

    However, A Christmas parade should be respectful of Christ, since he is the reason for Christmas. If secular people like myself do not appreciate or agree with the basis of Christmas and from where it is derived, then I suggest we do not celebrate "Christmas ". There is no law that we must. But to to call Christians intolerant or hateful because they want to honor Christmas as they understand it's significance is absurd.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:45 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Good post Tim
    You truely understand the holiday season.

     
  • Tim Litton posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Tim Litton Posts: 24


    Rainbow Project Mission:
    The mission of the Lodi Rainbow Project is to be a catalyst for personal growth, acceptance and equality for GLBTQ people of the City of Lodi.

    So, then the float represents personal growth, acceptance, and equality?

    It was a nice float, and a wonderful parade. My four children, my wife and I enjoyed it very much and found nothing offensive about the float.

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 9:21 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    Exactly. You cannot have a GLBT group without it representing sexuality (a particular kind). It's the definition. Even if a business were sponsoring a float, the float would be representing the business. A GLBT float represents what they stand for...

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 9:18 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    Weak.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:06 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1661

    Nice letter Ms Nahas.
    No there was no sexuality on the float except what was conceived in the minds of some who weren't even there. When you say gay or LGBT they only think sex a peculiar problem with men. Gays have been persecuted and oppressed by bullies and religious fanatics. This has been the case through our history and has existed all over and is not peculiar to Lodi. If we are going to use the dictionary then lets look up parade and floats as well as celebrations and at the same time try to recall our home coming parades. When you look at the entry instructions there is no theme or restrictions for entrance. Anyoe who fills out an application can enter. But you can make something of anything. I don't know much about Lodi Adopt a Child it sounds like a great service but nefarious individuals could interpret them as promoting sexual activity. After all where do kids come from. No it is only small minded people who would want to see bad or discriminate in a holiday celebration.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:15 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Letter stated...there was no "sexuality" on this float.

    I guess it would depend on the definition of sexuality… let’s examine.

    Let me ask questions. What was the basis of this group? What was the commonality of each person that brought this group together? Was it a sport, occupation, religion, education? Was it a particular activity like chess, speech or debate? Was it a business promoting their product or service? Just what was this group about?

    According to an on line dictionary, sex•u•al•i•ty
    [sek-shoo-al-i-tee or, esp. British, seks-yoo-] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    sexual character; possession of the structural and functional traits of sex.
    2.
    recognition of or emphasis upon sexual matters.

    If one examines this group, a conclusion might be drawn by a reasonable person that the only commonality that caused this group to form in the first place was only because of a sexual nature. This group gathers to support each other in a constructive positive way and provide an environment of acceptance.

    To state that this group does not involve sexuality is bizarre. Of course it does. In addition, this group has publicly criticized and humiliated people in Lodi in the past by stating they are not safe in a conservative city like Lodi and thus needed to find a meeting place (safe haven).


    Lodi is a great place to live no matter which group you belong to. It is very safe. I think this is evidenced by the float in question. Did anyone not accept or threaten any student on this float? I do not think so. They are good students who deserve to live in a safe environment that Lodi provides.

     

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