Lodinews.com

default avatar
Welcome to the site! Login or Signup below.
|
||
Logout|My Dashboard

Everyone should see ‘Monumental’

Print
Font Size:
Default font size
Larger font size

Posted: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:13 am, Mon Mar 19, 2012.

In looking through the theaters showing "Monumental: In Search of America's National Treasure Live," I did not find one of Lodi's theaters showing this. Wow, considering the times we are living through, this is very sad!

If you are brave, Stockton is showing it! It will be held on Tuesday, March 27 at 7:30 p.m. Eastern Time; 6:30 p.m. Central Time; 5:30 p.m. Mountain Time; and 8 p.m. Pacific Time, Alaska and Hawaii.

Fathom Events and Kirk Cameron present a live one-night theatrical event that will inspire audiences to rediscover the people and principles that made America the strongest, most free and prosperous nation on Earth. In "Monumental: In Search of America's National Treasure Live," actor Kirk Cameron will take audiences on a journey through live conversations with special guests, live music from top artists and his labor of love, "Monumental."

"Monumental" traces the heroic and harrowing travels of the early Pilgrims and encounters the unlikely men and women who risked everything for liberty. Experience the stories of faith that guided education, government and civic life, and hear from inspiring leaders on simple and practical ways to keep America's ideals alive, beginning at home.

Join us for this high-energy patriotic event that will unite audiences in a celebration of America's story of faith and freedom!

Wendy Barton

Lodi

Rules of Conduct

  • 1 Use your real name. You must register with your full first and last name before you can comment. (And don’t pretend you’re someone else.)
  • 2 Keep it clean. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually oriented language.
  • 3 Don’t threaten. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated.
  • 4 Be truthful. Don't lie about anyone or anything. Don't post unsubstantiated allegations, rumors or gossip that could harm the reputation of a person, company or organization.
  • 5 Be nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.
  • 6 Stay on topic. Make sure your comments are about the story. Don’t insult each other.
  • 7 Tell us if the discussion is getting out of hand. Use the ‘Report’ link on each comment to let us know of abusive posts.
  • 8 Share what you know, and ask about what you don't.
  • 9 Don’t be a troll.
  • 10 Don’t reveal personal information about other commenters. You may reveal your own personal information, but we advise you not to do so.
  • 11 We reserve the right, at our discretion, to monitor, delete or choose not to post any comment. This may include removing or monitoring posts that we believe violate the spirit or letter of these rules, or that we otherwise determine at our discretion needs to be monitored, not posted, or deleted.

Welcome to the discussion.

46 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:55 pm on Wed, Mar 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andrew stated...I find the Bible Bickering to be MONUMENTALly off topic...


    I agree....the movie is about America's history and religious heritage, influences and a perspective how modern America came to be. Best of all, it is not a movie that has filtered the message through the typical eyes of Hollywood... maybe this could be interesting.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:38 pm on Wed, Mar 21, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1849

    After reading Mr. Chapman's posts, I found absolutely no mention of using religion to denounce homosexuality. Apparently he simply took issue when a poster said the Bible doesn't address homosexuality and simply posted passages that expressly condemn the act. Sounds like someone is wound up way too tight over the issue of homosexuality, must have hit a nerve.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:16 am on Wed, Mar 21, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I find the Bible Bickering to be MONUMENTALly off topic...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:47 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Steve stated... perhaps you will not understand this but our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ allowed himself to be murdered in one of the most excruciating fashions imaginable so that we might know his LOVE.

    Steve … I perceive your last post to be heart felt and sincere. I will respond in like kind.

    From what I have studied, read and been taught, I do understand that Christians believe Jesus Christ allowed himself to be murdered in one of the most excruciating fashions imaginable so that we might know his LOVE. I respect and appreciate that thought. I was not surprised that you phrased your thinking in that way.
    However, I do not agree with your perception that Mr Chapman or others I have read here online are co-opting his name to serve their agendas as you described
    ( hate and bigotry).
    I also understand why someone like yourself who perceived others using the name of Jesus with negative intent would be angry or at least irritated with such people. I think you are mistaken about their intent. If I am wrong, please articulate how. I do not see the hate and bigotry you do.

    Similar are my thoughts about Mr Kinderman. I have read many posts that people perceive him to be hateful and mean spirited. When I read his posts, not one time did I think he was hateful .Instead, I perceive his participation to have love, concern, care for humanity and god at the core of his comments

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:35 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Darrell, I know you are not a Christian so, perhaps you will not understand this but our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ allowed himself to be murdered in one of the most excruciating fashions imaginable so that we might know his LOVE. When folks like Bobbi Chapman try to co-op his Name to serve their agenda of hate and bigotry, yeah, that does kind of get under my collar.

    Clearly, nothing I am going to say here tonight is going to change the minds of these false witnesses but I will surely pray that God fills their souls with his LOVE as I will pray for your soul too, my other brother by another mother.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:14 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    I'm not Catholic and have never professed to be. The Bible in which I believe and study is as I stated in an earlier post. There are inherent differences between Catholics and Protestants - as I also stated earlier I won't get into those types of discussions on a forum such as this; little good would come of it as my own experiences here have proven too many times in the past. But what I certainly won’t do is to get into sophomoric name-calling silliness as others seem unable to resist. That's never been my style.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:01 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...Jerry, you are either lying or ignorant...

    Clearly, Steve is having a bad day and his feelings have been hurt some how. He lashes out in bitterness and anger when there is no reason to. Mr Kinderman is not lying or ignorant. He has demonstrated over and over to be knowledgeable in matters of religion and related issues. If Steve could get his emotions under control, he would see that he is making himself look foolish.

    There are other possibilities Steve... for example he or you could be mistaken. It also could be like the Cool Hand Luke Paul Newman movie.... " What we have here is a failure to communicate"... or... it could be that Mr Kinderman is saying something correctly that you have no ability to comprehend.... so many possibilities that it is a shame that you only can see two possibilities...a real shame but so predictable.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:57 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Bobbi, if you don't like the Gospels, don't blame me, take it up with Jesus Christ,

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:56 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    One gets the impression that Bobbi Chapman's Bible begins with Deuteronomy and ends with Leviticus.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:51 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Jerry, you are either lying or ignorant. Many followers of Christ question the authenticity of the Pauline books of the Bible. Additionally, many Christian Bibles (the Clemintine Bible, for example) end with the Apocrypha, not the Book of Revelations

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:48 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Bobbi, as the New Covenant supplants the Old Covenant. That is why you can have shrimp at your Church BBQ.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:36 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So I guess the NEW TESTAMEMT renders the OLD TESTMAMENT null and void? Is that what poor little Stevie "My Bible Says What I Want it To" Schmidt is saying? So, just for grins, does not your Bible contain the passages from Leviticus calling homosexuality an abomination or not. I contend that it does and you choose to ignore those passages because it doesn't fall into your soft square head.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:34 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    As far as my assertion that Stockton is a dangerous city, one need only look to the post made here at 6:24 p.m. on Monday, March 19, 2012 for a supporting reference. My experiences with Stockton and its environment vs. Lodi certainly extend much further than the time my vehicle was broken into; but since it was an example specifically on point, I felt it served its purpose for this debate. And considering that my opinion of crime in Stockton is based on my actual experience I can think of nothing more valid upon which to pin that contention. Or does that make me a bigot?

    But I've been around Stockton quite a bit during the nearly 22 years I've lived in Lodi. There are a few chain stores there when compared to their counterparts elsewhere are much less enjoyable in which to shop (based upon my actual experiences, mind you).

    In fact when I spoke of these differences to the manager of one such store in Elk Grove he indicated that I wasn't the only one who approached him with similar experiences. In this case the Stockton facility was unkempt; the sales associates were less familiar with the products, and in general were rude and unprofessional in their dress and deportment. Based upon these experiences, when I need products from this particular store I find it much better to drive the extra few miles north rather than save a gallon or so of gasoline to be poorly treated in Stockton. Or does that also make me a bigot?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:22 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    "Bible vs. Jesus Christ?" I've never heard of such a thing. I know of no follower of Jesus who believes that the Bible begins with the Book of Matthew; it starts with Genesis 1:1 and ends with Revelation 22:21.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:14 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    I am always astounded by the number of people who claim to be Christians and yet have never read even the New Testament, let alone the Bible.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:13 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Is it possible that little Bobbi Chapman doesn't know the difference between the Gospels of the New Testament and the Bible?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:12 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Bobbi, your reading comprehension is as bad as your hygiene. WHAT I SAID WAS THAT THERE ARE NO REFERENCES TO HOMOSEXUALITY ON THE GOSPELS.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:00 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated ( in regards to Mr Kinderman's post.” I have personally encountered multiple instances of people's prejudice and bigotry, but NEVER has this occurred in Stockton.”

    Odd... this person believes most people in Lodi are bigots ..( sees them around every corner as often stated by her...and at the same time stated many of these bigots work in Stockton .. yet, she never runs into these perceived bigots in Stockton even though many of them work there by her own admission.... I think the pink bunny rabbits( imaginary kind) have finally come into existence for this poster.Maybe a kind prayer is appropriate for Ms Bobin who obviously is suffering from some type of disorder or condition.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:50 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chapman stated...But, thankfully Joanne, our resident grammar, spelling and expert on everything, points them out. Thanks Joanne

    Ms Bobin stated...multiple instances of people's prejudice and bigotry, but NEVER has this occured in Stockton

    If I am not mistaken Ms Bobin... occured in your sentence is misspelled... it should be occurred... not that I care or think it matters in this format of public opinion, but since you seem to correct everyone's spelling and grammar as just stated by Mr Chapman, please accept this correction to your obvious blatant mistake with the same spirit that you correct others.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:17 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chapman stated...But, thankfully Joanne, our resident grammar, spelling and expert on everything, points them out. Thanks Joanne

    I think Ms Bobin is very aware that her content of her posts is so vacant, she "attempts" to bring some sort of credibility or meaning to her participation by redirecting her activity to spelling and grammar..not that she cares about that topic in the least, its just that she takes great pride and joy in attempting to point out someone elses mistake or oversite as it masks her lack of ability to offer constructive interesting content.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:18 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Joanne wrote, "Mr. Chapman wrote: "there is (sic) ". Yep, the minute I hit the post tab, I realized that I made that mistake. But, nothing that altered the content so I didn't post a correction. I write sentences, erase parts, retype and at times neglect to make grammatical corrections, But, thankfully Joanne, our resident grammar, spelling and expert on everything, points them out. Thanks Joanne......

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:37 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "there is (sic) clearly references in the Bible against homosexuality even though another poster suggested none existed."

    What Mr. Schmidt wrote was: "Now Jerry, you know as well as I do that Jesus Christ never spoke a single word against homosexuality."

    Mr. Chapman seems to be confusing his sources here. Bible vs. Jesus Christ. I'm no Bible scholar, nor do I claim to be, but from what I remember from Sunday school, Leviticus is part of the Hebrew Bible and is thought to have been the teachings of Moses, not Jesus Christ. Anyone here is welcome to correct me and set the record straight if they wish.

    Funny that Mr. Kinderman bases his assessment of Stockton on one visit to the movie theater there. Interesting that in Lodi, I have personally encountered multiple instances of people's prejudice and bigotry, but NEVER has this occured in Stockton. I am sure that is just as valid a claim as Mr. Kinderman makes about his experience with crime.

    FYI, Mr. Kinderman, there are hundreds of people who live in Lodi and go to work and school in Stockton daily and have no problems whatsoever with crime. I am sorry criminals found you to be an easy target, but that is no basis on which to judge one's safety in that city.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:56 am on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    SAM, you can come down off of your pulpit and relax. The point I was making is that there is clearly references in the Bible against homosexuality even though another poster suggested none existed.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:42 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    I've learned long ago that a forum such as this one isn't a very good place to attempt to teach the Bible. The possibility exists for too many young Christians reading who might very well be caught up in the undertow of hatred and vitriolic discourse. The risk is too great for me to even try. On the other hand, for those just tossing out Scripture willy-nilly in an attempt to support or denounce what they need for it to fit their own sense of right and wrong with society today, I suggest that they stop and think of the possible (probable) damage they may be causing. I for one don't ever want to stand before God and be told I was at all responsible for even one soul being lost. In my mind there can be no greater sin.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 7:20 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Oh Robert. I am so impressed you follow Leviticus.

    Your facial hair is untrimmed. Leviticus 19 : 27: Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

    Glad you do not work or make money on the Sabbath... which is the 7th day SATURDAY.
    Leviticus 19: 30: Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
    Leviticus 23: 3: Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

    And of course you follow Leviticus 23:
    5: In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
    6: And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

    I am sure you love flat bread.

    Sorry to hear you have never had pork or bacon... and have never touched a football.

    Leviticus 11: 7: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8: Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

    I am sure you never have had crab, lobster, clams, shrimp, or any other gill-less seafood or bottom feeders (catfish) either.

    You cannot pick and choose your bible verses. If you truly follow ALL of Leviticus then your post is credible and i apologize. More power to you.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:02 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    I should append my last statement to say that the Gospels are clearly not a work of fiction. The Book of Genesis is recognized by most main line denominations as clearly being allegorical and the Pauline books along with the Gnostic Gospels and the Apocrypha are questioned by many of the faithful.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:51 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Bobbi, the Bible is not a work of fiction. What is fictional is some sort of twisted construct that tries to suggest that Christ spoke out against homosexuality.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:43 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Oh, I get it now. The Bible is whatever you want it to be. Everyone gets to interperet it to suit their agenda. Ahhh, it all makes sense now,,,,, If that's the case, the Bible is just a fictional book? Why even pretend there is religion or a God? So, who's "religion" is the REAL religion? Kinda of reminds me of Obama and the Constitution. Only adheres to the amendments he wants and ignores the others.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:43 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    For those of you who may be confused regarding my 5:17 p.m. post today regarding the safety conditions in Stockton vs. Lodi, I made the observation because someone earlier on this forum implied that the author's oblique inference to the same in her second paragraph may very well have been nefarious in nature. I simply attempted to set the matter straight. Please see last paragraph of post at 10:31 a.m. on Monday, March 19, 2012.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:24 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Jerome, you won't get any argument from me about Stockton being a bad place to visit. I am not quite sure why you would think that observation would lead to you being labeled a racist.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:17 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    While I've already remarked on the religious aspect of this "debate" and will go no further, the absurd notion that there's a bigot around every corner appears to have reared its ugly head once more and thus should be addressed.

    As far as the author's comments about being brave in order to travel to Stockton to see the film referred to in her letter, I would certainly have to agree. There's no argument that the crime rate in Stockton exceeds Lodi's. A number of years ago my family and I chose to see a movie at the multiplex on West Lane. Unfortunately my car was broken into while we were inside the theater. During the entire time I've lived in Lodi (over 21 years now), not once have I or any other member of my family been violated in such a manner.

    Of course I have no idea as to who broke into my car back then or what their backgrounds may have been. But even today I still feel safer in Lodi than I will ever actually be in Stockton. That's simply the way it is. Does this make me a racist? Not at all. But there will always be those who will level that accusation simply out of their own ignorance and hatred toward those with whom they disagree. I don't hate these people, and will pray that they'll one day choose not to be so hateful themselves.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:15 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Bobbi, Jesus Christ came to bring mankind a New Covenant. If you, as a Christian, eat shrimp or wear blended fabrics, it is because you are participating in this New Covenant which superseded the outmoded rules of the Old.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:31 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Barton stated... Because Kirk told how he feels about gays you condemn him and call him names! This is the type person I fear one who in anger replies to a person voicing his opinion. You don't have to agree with Kirk but at least he is out there putting out what he believes...

    Exactly... Mr Barton reflects my view and articulates what I think better than I... so Ill simply say I agree... and no... I am not Mr Barton.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:01 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So apparently REAL Christians who believe in the word of the Bible, as written, are bigots? Ergo, Jesus Christ was a bigot? I think the REAL bigots are the ones that love to use the word to attack anyone that doesn't agree with their beliefs. What's that? You don't like liver and onions? You bigot.....

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:55 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Odd, the Bible I own has the following passages:

    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).

    "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with a womankind; it is an abomination. Neither shalt you lie with any beast, to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any womankind stand before an animal to lie down thereto; it is perversion. Defile not ye yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24).

    Perhaps yard sale or dollar store Bibles omit these passages? Or, do some proclaimed "Christians" conveniently ignore the passages they don't agree with?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:37 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Now Jerry, you know as well as I do that Jesus Christ never spoke a single word against homosexuality. If you want to call yourself a Pauline or what have you, be my guest but please don't try to hang your hatred and bigotry on our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. You are no Christian.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:15 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    As for your contrail nonsense, I actually did watch your little video on Youtube (for free) so I can say with some authority that it is complete nonsense.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:14 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Andy, I have no desire to financially support a bigot like Cameron so, no, I will not be buying a ticket to his show.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:10 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Kirk Cameron and his sister Candace are unabashed Christians; we need more like them. As Christians we believe certain things to be true based upon God's Word - the Bible. Non-believers will always hang a label on us for our stance on homosexuality, same-sex marriage, abortion and a host of other "social" issues. Would "bigot" be an appropriate moniker? That would depend on how one defines the word. In the past no matter how hard I’ve tried to explain Christianity on this forum, there have been the select few who not just disagreed with me, but were so vicious and mean-spirited with their attacks that any further “conversation” on the matter will be futile – so I would implore those here now to resist the temptation to take me on because after I post this one message, I will NOT respond to them.

    As for Cameron's acting capabilities, no he certainly isn't the best; but the message he conveys through the films in which he participates are meant to glorify God and to deliver His message to us on how to live according to His will and for His purpose. I will of course take the time to watch this latest movie as I am sure that it will be inspiring.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:02 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Schmidt,
    In the promotion of his film, Monumental, Kirk Cameron did call gay people “unnatural”, “detrimental” and suggested that homosexuals are “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”. I never said he didn't.

    F.Y.I. This was a Monumental error in my opinion but as Mr. Trovinger already pointed out, "you may actually want to see "Monumental" yourself before opening your mouth and proving how bigotted you are."

    How can someone who is "not personally familiar" with a film have an opinion on it? I suppose it's no different than having an uninformed opinion on Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-Engineering despite the numerous statements made by your beloved Obama's own Science Czar.

    Continually choosing willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to your own intellectual laziness is not the fault of Kirk Cameron, Mr. Trovinger or myself.


     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:31 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good comments, Mr. Schmidt. I just caught this letter in the print version of the paper and immediately recalled a program (can't recall which, but I'm thinking "Biography") in which Cameron was the subject. I was quite surprised to learn that he was born again, but shocked to learn of his bigoted attitude toward just about anyone who is NOT him.

    Mr. Liebich - why would anyone post ANYTHING on their own Facebook page that did not try to convince the public to view their latest "monumental" project. Obviously, Cameron made the statement in order to preempt criticism of his extreme far right wingnut positions and try to position himself as middle-of-the-road. At least he admits his answers about his attitude toward homosexuality were "not loving."

    What I'm curious about is, if this is being shown in a Stockton theater, why are different time zones being listed, especially since we are in the Pacific zone? Is it being beamed in by sattelite?

    And how pretentious of this letter writer to preface her comment with, "If you are brave.." It is a clear indication that she most likely holds the same attitudes as Cameron. Does driving to Stockton expose one to the kind of individuals that Cameron believes to be the scum of the earth? Sounds like Ms. Barton agrees.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:53 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Chuckle... You got me there Andy. Cameron S-W-E-A-R-S that he isn't a bigot, so it must be true.

    You'd think a guy who believes that contrails are part of a space alien plot to spread homosexuality throughout the Lutheran priesthood in order to prepare for the second coming of Elvis would approach such a self serving statement with a tad bit more skepticism.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:31 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Once again Mr. Schmidt has opted for willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to his own intellectual laziness.

    The following is from Kirk Cameron’s facebook page…

    I recently was asked to join Piers Morgan on CNN for an interview about my new film “Monumental.” During that discussion, I was asked to express my views about homosexuality, gay marriage, and abortion. While that was not the agreed-upon purpose of the interview, I was pleased to answer Piers’ questions as honestly as I could. In some people’s eyes, my responses were not sufficiently “loving” to…ward those in the gay community. I can only say that it is my life’s mission to love all people, and that I expressed the same views that are expressed clearly and emphatically throughout the Judeo-Christian scriptures. As a Bible believing Christian, I could not have answered any other way.I’ve been encouraged by the support of many friends (including gay friends, incidentally) in the wake of condemnation by some political advocacy groups. In the case of one of my gay friends, we regularly talk and have healthy and respectful debate. We learn from each other, and serve others alongside one another. I thank God for all of my friends…even when they hold very different views on issues of faith and morality. I do not, however, believe that the right way to advance our views is to resort to name-calling and personal attacks, as some have done to me. I also believe that freedom of speech and freedom of religion go hand-in-hand in America. I should be able to express moral views on social issues–especially those that have been the underpinning of Western civilization for 2,000 years–without being slandered, accused of hate speech, and told from those who preach “tolerance” that I need to either bend my beliefs to their moral standards or be silent when I’m in the public square.
    I hope more than a few people could see the large volume of secularist morality being imposed on me. In any society that is governed by the rule of law, some form of morality is always imposed. It’s inescapable. But it is also a complicated subject, and that is why I believe we need to learn how to debate these things with greater love and respect.
    To the thousands of you who have written me letters of encouragement… thank you! And to those who would like know how to further your support, please gather your friends and family, and join me as I seek to show you our true “National Treasure,” at the live, nationwide viewing of “Monumental” on Tuesday, March 27th (www.MonumentalMovie.com).
    Sincerely,
    Kirk


     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:39 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Mark, I have read many statements by Mr Cameron in which he expressed hateful and bigoted sentiments towards homosexuals. You are correct when you say that I am not personally familiar with this latest "work" but I have found that the old maxim "garbage in, garbage out" generally holds true.

     
  • MARK TROVINGER posted at 6:18 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    MARK TROVINGER Posts: 204

    Mr. Schmidt I do not know anything about this particualar movie but I do know something considering your comment. When a person like you prejudges someone or something without first hand knowledge........you have acted exactly like a bigot. Too bad you that you make the comments of a bigot while attempting to label someone else as a bigot. Let people that have actually seen this movie decide on their own if it is "hate driven nonsense". You may actually want to see it yourself before opening your mouth and proving how bigotted you are.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:16 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2467

    Kirk Cameron is not just an appallingly bad actor, he is a bigot. I am delighted to see that his nasty, hate driven nonsense will not be fouling the streets of our fair city.

     

Recent Comments

Posted 9 hours ago by Angie McDaniel.

article: Steve Hansen: Climate change is real, b…

So you admit that Dr. Powell is NOT a relevant expert?

More...

Posted 10 hours ago by Simon Birch.

article: Lodi City Council candidates talk jobs,…

The video of the forum is almost 2 hours long. It took awhile to process. It's now online.

More...

Posted 10 hours ago by Jien Kaur.

article: Letter: Vote for a better future for all

This must be most similar to the Sarah Palin who make this claim (and before speak about some of the people are the real American and not o…

More...

Posted 10 hours ago by Jien Kaur.

article: Steve Hansen: Climate change is real, b…

This show interest in juvenile exchanges rather than mature thought.

More...

Posted 11 hours ago by Jien Kaur.

article: Gwin Paden: On learning Welsh, and kind…

This has to be one of the strangest and most ill inform claim I have heard. I think you should go back and do some research Mr Lauchland.

More...

Video

Popular Stories

Poll

Loading…

Your News

News for the community, by the community.

Featured Events

Mailing List

Subscribe to a mailing list to have daily news sent directly to your inbox.

  • Breaking News

    Would you like to receive breaking news alerts? Sign up now!

  • News Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily news headlines? Sign up now!

  • Sports Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily sports headlines? Sign up now!

Manage Your Lists