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Posted: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:00 am

Daniel Hutchins' Letter to Editor regarding King John, Pope Innocent III, the Magna Carta and International Law was misleading.

First, there were many abuses of power that led the pope to place England under the Interdict. While the Magna Carta addressed some of the worst abuses by King John, it wasn't intended to be a complete list. The Magna Carta was not the only thing King John was forced to accept to end the rebellion against him. Probably the most significant was that King John was forced to create a bicameral.

Second, the French king was preparing to take advantage of the rebellion and the victories being won by the rebels by invading England. King John learned of this and offered to make England a vassal of the Papal States. The pope was not interested in acquiring vassals for the Papal States. Instead, King John was forced to negotiate an end of the rebellion and the lifting of the interdict. The Magna Carta was the treaty with the rebels and church, which ended both.

Third, reading Daniel's letter may lead readers to believe King John was the victim of an aggressive pope. In reality, King John was a merciless butcher and thief.

Fourth, even if the Treaty of Paris "gave recognition to the British Monarch 'Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector' of the Holy Roman Empire etc.," the Holy Roman Empire no longer existed. Instead, most of the territory of the Holy Roman Empire was part of the Spanish or Habsburg empires.

The Holy Roman Empire had been divided between two brothers back in the 16th century. The brothers were the sons of the Spanish emperor, and they became the husbands of the two daughters of the Holy Roman Empire. By an agreement of the two emperors, the Holy Roman Empire was divided equally between the brothers so the two daughters would be cared for. Hostility to the division and Spaniards being placed in authority over Germans, who regarded themselves as superior to Spaniards, led to the revolt we call the Protestant reformation and war. Indeed, those hostile to the division and Spaniards in control tried to play the two brothers against each other.

There are other errors in Daniel's letter as well.

George Klaes


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  • Mike Adams posted at 12:18 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1570

    Daniel is prone to accepting the most complicated and draconian views and analysis of simple events. He is probably a very nice person, but his letters and his posts often reveal gaps in his knowledge of particular topics.

    Joanne: Daniel was involved in a plan to establish a "legitimate" US government based on some out-dated and misinterpreted documents. I believe most state and county representatives (not elected representatives, administrative representatives) threw them out of their offices. Which, for Daniel, was unfortunate. I think he really worked hard on his plan, but real law and perhaps some involvement from associated members who had other motives doomed their plan (which would have happened anyway).

    Unfortunately for most involved in the anti tax movement, they either still pay their taxes because deep down inside, they realize it's a farce or they end up in prison for not paying taxes. Include the fringe element which might include domestic terrorists (of which I don't believe Daniel is) and you end up with a reputation as a bunch of militia kooks just looking for fertilizer, diesel fuel, and an old truck.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:30 pm on Wed, Mar 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good information, Mr. Klaes.

    If one has paid any attention to Daniel Hutchins' previous contributions in which he contends that the United States is not a sovereign nation, but a corporation formed and chartered in London, England, this latest confection seems to back up that information.

    I'm guessing here, but I can only conclude that Mr. Hutchins belongs to an anti-tax group (which he has admitted in this forum is being investigated by the FBI) that claims that the US has no taxing authority due to its "status" as a corporation and not a nation.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:23 pm on Wed, Mar 27, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1672

    George thank you for the clarification. I knew there were errors in Daniels letter but it was time consuming to chase down. I knew John was not likely to be a victum entirely and what I did read supported that. What was hard to find was the notion of England being a vassal state to the papal state. Now I know why I ouldn't find anything. Thanks again.


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