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Letter: Our country’s values have changed over decades

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Posted: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 12:00 am

There are two areas where American values have changed since I was a young man 50 or so years ago. The first was serving our country via the draft, and the second involves integrity.

I cringe every time someone lays that “thank you for your service” nonsense to me. My dad and all my uncles served in the military in World War II, and my brother and I served in Vietnam. It used to be something expected, no big deal. If it was up to me, everyone would serve two years in the service of our country, the military being one option.

The Republican Party and the conservative media have lost all sense of integrity when dealing with facts. An example of this is when Sean Hannity had four people on saying how Obamacare had hurt them. A reporter from another organization followed up and found that three of them would be helped by Obamacare, and with the fourth, it was not clear. Mr. Hannity never acknowledged his error. He just went on to his next lie. This is the norm for all conservative media.

There will be some who say that both sides do it. To a very small extent, this is true — but the Republican Party, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, the Drudge Report, etc., have made it an art form. The so-called left-wing media for the most part gets its facts straight, and when wrong will acknowledge it. I am not talking about opinions, but clear, demonstrable facts.

I have conservative friends who are embarrassed by the stunning lack of integrity shown by the Republican Party and the conservative media. Having honor, they have no place to go. They, like me, understand the need for a debate between the two sides to keep each other honest. They also understand that you cannot solve problems if you do not have a respect for the facts.

The Republican Party and the conservative media have become a national embarrassment. Their main problem is this stunning lack of integrity, and not their political opinions.

John Lucas


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  • Mike Adams posted at 5:45 pm on Tue, Nov 12, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1572

    Do you ever post anything that isn't filled with long dead cliches, in-accurate facts, insults, and just plain lies?

    The only people I hear complaining are ridiculous far- right omnitrons who just repeat what their lords and masters say on the radio.

    You should be made to look up the meanings of the words you constantly misuse. Since you were lucky enough to go to a private university, you should be a real wiz at it.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:27 pm on Fri, Nov 8, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Kind of hard for you LIBERALS to deny your hero lied, lied, and is continuing to lie. This is integrity by LIBERAL standards.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:22 pm on Fri, Nov 8, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Mike Adams posted: "He has said what he was going to do and either has done it or is doing it now."
    Outside of giving his blessings to homosexual activity and homesexual marriage, please let me in on his positive "accomplishments". You don't really count his disastrous ObamaCare as an accomplishment, do you? Ooops, I fogot about his very successful Cash for Clunkers program and his lucrative taxpayer investments in Solyndra, et al, my bad. I am sure you have plenty others you can share, please do.

  • John Lucas posted at 10:10 am on Fri, Nov 8, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Every time you say hogwash one know that a bunch of hooey is about to be coming. No Democrat voted for the shutdown. In the end a bunch of Republican Senators and 144 congressmen voted to continue the shutdown and throw the United States Government into default. It is only because some republicans came to their senses that we averted a financial disaster.

    Ted Cruz and his insane allies tried to force the Democrats and the President to undo a law that had been passed by the Senate, the House, signed by the President and declared constitutional by the Supreme court. The shut down the Government and threatened the full faith and credit of the United States Government. Why did they do this? They did it because they did not have the power to gut the law by passing a law through the Senate, the House and getting the President to sign it or overriding his veto. They resorted to extortion. Your idea that the President and the Democrats were responsible for the shutdown is laughable on its face and is a lie. Only people who listen to the conservative media could possibly think that this is true. The reason we like you is situations like this. You prove the whole premiss of my LTE and I thank you.

  • Mike Adams posted at 7:07 pm on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1572

    HHhhmmm... I'm not in shock. Bet others here who voted for the President are not in shock either. He has said what he was going to do and either has done it or is doing it now.

    I think conservatives are just so used to failure by and regret over those they have been foolish enough to elect that there is no paradigm or reference point for a successful President. Other than Reagan, the most recent republican presidents have been mediocre in their performance as chief executive.
    Nixon, was, well Nixon. Gerald Ford was a good man, honest, fair, and just had the poor dumb luck to be appointed by Nixon after Agnew's past caught up with him. George H.W. Bush was ok, except he started the current economic model where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Good plan. Oh and left the economy going down hill like freshly waxed skis on their own at Kirkwood. GWB? Do we need to get into it again? Let's just say, the republicans should have nominated John McCain in 2000.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:28 pm on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    What a load of hogwash.The House tried many times to pass a bill that would allow funding of necessary for America to continue doing business. The DEMOCRATS in the Senate wouldn't even consider any of them because it omitted funding ObamaCare.Obama knew that if he tried to get funding for his precious boondogle on it's own, it would fail miserably. So he tied it to the budget negtotiations knowing full well what the ramifications would be. Who shut down the government? YOUR arrogant, egotistical liar of a president. I guess there might be a few democrats that are WWll vets who would blame the Republicans, but you can bet your last dollar most knew exactly who was responsible for this spiteful act. By the way, it cost MORE to shut it down than it would have had they left it open. Spite, pure and simple.

  • robert maurer posted at 3:39 pm on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 488

    ...not to mention the families of the military personnel killed in action who did not receive their $100,000 death benefit within the prescribed 36 hour time frame. 17 families in the first 2 weeks of October in Washington alone.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:34 pm on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Where's my comment from this morning regarding Joe Baxters ridiculous claim?

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:49 am on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxter wrote: "Perhaps your idea of integrity is blocking WWll vets, some who may have had the last chance, from visiting the memorial in their honor because you are in a snit about not getting your way? Yeah, integrity all right, the liberal way."

    Perhaps you haven't read the news yet. Republicans were responsible for shutting down the Federal government because the mainstream Republican cowards didn't want to step on the TEA Partiers tootsies. Note: the TEA Partiers didn't gain a single thing but still thought the shutdown was a great idea.

    Maybe you didn't see the veterans at the WWII memorial telling the Republican Congressman what a piece of dirt he was.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:30 am on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Here is a fun watch that epitomizes the phrase, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. Our pathological Liar in Chief is good at it and the poor saps who both believed him and voted him are left in shock.; Suckers.


  • John Lucas posted at 9:10 am on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert Marty said

    What a liberal love-fest between Joanne and John. Kind of gross.


    Joanne is very forthright in her views. Though she shares those views with others here she gets more grief than any of the others. I think it is because she is a woman. She stands her ground and can give it as well as take it. What is there not to like?

    Robert Marty said

    By the way: service to our Country? I'm a small business owner whom contributes to our economy (taxes, well-paying jobs, etc.) to help pay for all the government entitlements as well as fund the military.

    I always wonder why successful small business owners who listen to Conservative media always play the victim card. They are so put-upon. The implied conclusion of your statement is that those who are employees especially government employees such as teachers, fireman or policeman are less valuable than you are. Multi-billionaire Nick Hanauer who has started and invested in dozens of businesses tells the real story. We are all needed to make this thing go. Here is his video:


  • John Lucas posted at 8:27 am on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe Baxter could not think of any Republican and Conservative lack of integrity citing Senator Rand Paul as the epitome of the Republican integrity. Perhaps Mr. Baxter like the Senator does not understand what plagiarism is. Here are just a few off the top of my head.

    Trees cause more pollution than automobiles

    Ketchup is vegetable.

    During a 1983 Congressional Medal of Honor ceremony Reagan told a story about military heroism that New York Daily News columnist Lars-Erik Nelson wrote never happened. Nelson had checked the citations on all 434 Congressional Medals of Honor awarded during WWII. The scene Reagan described did appear, however, in the 1944 film A Wing and a Prayer.

    Reagan repeated continually about how as a member of the signal corps in WW II he photographed pictures at the Nazi death camps. He never left the United States and spent the war making movies for the War Department in Hollywood.

    The Iran Contra affair was about traded arms for hostages, a felony. It was against the Boland Amendment. Ronald Reagan denied any knowledge. Some went to jail many were pardoned by George Bush Sr. including Secretary of Defense Weinberger.

    Climate change is a hoax (even tho 97% percent of legitimate scientists say it is real)

    The deficit is exploding. It is coming down

    Deficits shrink when Republicans are in power. Reagan tripled the debt, Bush Sr. increased it significantly and Bush Jr doubled the debt. By the end of Reign of Error (Bush Jr.) Republican Presidents were responsible for 78% of the national debt. Cheney said deficits do not matter

    Social Security is in trouble. It is solvent at least till 2037 and would be able to give 80% of benefits after that. Easy to fix

    Voter fraud is rampant and widespread. There is no case of an election being decided because of voter fraud. The Republicans do it to keep their opponents from voting. Most just lie for the reason for the new laws but some actually admit to what they are doing.

    Obama is going to take away our guns. There is not a scintilla of evidence of this.

    Taxes are at an all time high. Actually taxes are lower now than since the early 1950’s. The very rich and Corporations are paying less since the Great depression.

    Cutting taxes creates jobs. There is no actual evidence for this.

    Obama was born in Kenya. Not even going to bother to comment.

    Conservative media has been parading on shows people that say Obamacare has hurt the. On further investigation the vast majority of these people Obamacare actually helps them sometimes substantially.

    Intelligent design is science. It is not. It is religion.

    Evolution is just a theory. Yes and like the theory of Relativity it has much scientific evidence to back it up.

    Iraq was behind 9-11

    Iraq had weapons of Mass destructions.

    The war would be paid for with their oil, we would be welcomed as liberators, Colin Powell's lies about moveable weapons etc.

    These are just off the top of my head

  • John Lucas posted at 2:37 am on Thu, Nov 7, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert Marty states:

    What a liberal love-fest between Joanne and John. Kind of gross.

    By the way: service to our Country? I'm a small business owner whom contributes to our economy (taxes, well-paying jobs, etc.) to help pay for all the government entitlements as well as fund the military.
    As to the “Liberal love-fest” let me state unequivocally that I do have much admiration for Joanne. She puts up with a lot of nonsense not just for her political views but for being a woman having these views. Much more than the men holding those views. Through it all she stands her ground and fights the fight. What there not to like?

    You, on the other hand, are a typical right wing whiner who thinks himself as a victim. These ideas are planted in your head by the Conservative media. Though it is interesting as well as entertaining to listen to someone who has had some economic success cry it does get old.

    I do admire people who own and run small businesses but your ode to them has a dark side which has its roots in the conservative media. When one puts oneself on such a high pedestal you are basically saying that those who work for a living especially those who work for the government such as teachers, fireman, policeman etc are essentially worth less than you in terms of being a human being.

    Though, I imagine you are good at economics on the micro-level you are obviously ignorant at macro-economics like all those who buy the nonsense of the present day Conservative media. Nick Hanauer is a multi-billionaire who has started dozens of businesses. His video will shock you but if you think about it all the ideas he presents are obviously true. Here is his video:


  • Mike Adams posted at 6:25 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1572

    Must of been a good letter. Our conservative associates can only reply with cliched insults and conservative hit pieces which are easily discovered as lies or, at the best, half-truths. Well maybe quarter-truths.

  • Mike Adams posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1572

    And this...... is the best rebuttal a conservative can come up with.

  • robert maurer posted at 4:45 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 488

    OK. Checked out these sites mentioned by Mr.Lucas and Mrs.Bobin. Then googled Hannity,fox news lies and a plethora of sites appeared as well as several short youtube videos, Some were actually humorous,especially the ones where John Stewart,Bill Maher,and David Pakman had.Hannity and Oreilly on there set. How about Hannity using the 2009 Glenn Beck footage of the march on DC regarding Obamacare so that it would appear that a lot more people attended than there really were.Notice a blue sky on a fall day with treeleaves of autumn colors and not a lot of people(actual) and the summer photo of gray skies and nice green treeleaves.and hoards of people(the photo that was Beck's but Hannity claimed as his own.Bill Maher pointed this out in a humorous way. As Mrs. Bobin stated, there are too many to list.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:09 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Integrity is using executive fiat to block inquiries into the Fast and Furious fiasco that resulted in the death of two US Border Patrol agents and countless other people.?
    Integrity is not prosecuting the New Black Panthers for blatant voter iintimidation and racist threats?
    Integrity is telling Americans that Benghazi catastrophe was over an anti Islamic YouTube video?
    Liberals have a twisted the definition of "integrity" beyond belief.
    Want more? Just ask.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:02 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Or, perhaps your idea of integrity is blocking access to school records so nobody will see that the Oval Office occupier enrolled as a "foreign born" student?

  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:59 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Perhaps your idea of integrity is blocking WWll vets, some who may have had the last chance, from visiting the memorial in their honor because you are in a snit about not getting your way? Yeah, integrity all right, the liberal way.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:56 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Read that on Maddow's blog didja?

  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:55 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Gee, Johnny,; why don't you give us some actual true examples of how Rand Paul is lacking in integrity. I will have NO trouble doing the same for your boy Obama.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:54 pm on Wed, Nov 6, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Hah, I figured as much. Typical liberal answer. In other words, you couldn't come up with any. Gee, I have NO problem coming up with a whole plethora of LIBERAL LIES.

  • Gary Maurer posted at 8:28 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Gary Maurer Posts: 19

    On "Thank you for your service." I am a Vietnam veteran from it's early days. I was not welcomed home. I no of no other Vietnam veteran who was. The phrase: Thank you for your service has became as common as "I'm sorry for your loss." I think, mostly because over the years since Vietnam, people have realized how badly Viet Vets were treated. Some of you will remember that wounded soldiers returning from Vietnam were called "baby killers" and their bus was egged as it delivered them to Letterman Hospital on the Presidio in San Francisco. Yup, it did happen. Both of the aforementioned phrases are impactful only if genuinely expressed. I use both. In addition, as I have written in this paper before, when I encounter a person in the military (or one who has recently served) at one of our local eateries, I buy their meal and anyone they are with. I encourage everyone to do the same, regardless of your political bent. It has a little more import than lip service.

  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:59 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 558

    Empty platitudes on aisle 9.

  • Gary Maurer posted at 7:47 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Gary Maurer Posts: 19

    Great letter John! It is always so easy to tell who gets their political pablum from so called Fox "News" et al. This bunch couldn't present a cogent argument to anyone who actually reads and can think objectively - be they a thoughtful conservative or clear thinking progressive. While I believe strong two party politics can strike a balance with the many different beliefs present, seldom do i read meaningful, well thought conservative opinions in our fair city on any issue of importance. Such is our fate. For the Obama "haters" it is my opinion if you had "on your plate" what this President (or any other past President) has on his, you would surely contract into a fetal position and cry out to your dear mother for a diaper change. It is just so easy and disingenuous to point fingers when you have absolutely no responsibility to cast aspersions, however jaded and uniformed they may be.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:30 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    So, you admit to being a Democrat and a liberal, Mr. Walters? Or have you and all the other Republicans/conservatives in this forum moved en masse out of the state?

    Sorry if my comments cause you to nap spontaneously. Yours are not exactly stimulating either, and are mostly just silly. And I'd be willing to bet spontaneous napping is a natural part of your day.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:24 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Perhaps you have difficulty differentiating between opinion and flat out lies.

    Facts are presented here by both liberals and conservatives, Mr. Kindseth, but apparently you are a totally opinion based individual and facts are never needed.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:21 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "provide here at least the air date of the purported lies uttered by Mr. Hannity and those on his program"

    The air date, Mr. Kinderman, was October 18th.

    Here's a link to an article that debunks the claims made by these individuals.

    Most had individual, not group policies, that did not comply with the ACA. Most of the individuals interviewed are opposed to the ACA and refuse to participate in the exchanges, which could save them a considerable amount of money and give them better coverage.


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:05 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Not enough room to list them in this space.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:04 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Rand Paul has absolutely NO integrity, Mr. Baxter.

    He actually believes that the Civil Rights Act is an imposition on private industry and should not be enforced.

    He's riding on his father's cuckoo reputation.

    He is so LACKING in integrity, he is not even board certified by the entity that governs his own medical specialty because he couldn't meet their standards. What did he do? He created his own board and certified himself and all of the crack pot doctors who cannot get board certification.

    He found no problem with this when it became an issue during his race for Senate.

    He's a crook and a quack.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:56 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maurer: You are correct. I graduated HS in 1973 and all through elementary and high school we competed for the President's award for physical fitness that was initiated by John F. Kennedy. I still have at least one of the large blue patches I received back in the day.

    Now, however, a program that JFK promoted is mocked as "stupid" and "intrusive" when our current First Lady is backing physical exercise and proper nutrition.

  • John Lucas posted at 4:04 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    John, as usual you present your opinion without any facts to back it up. I see you did not respond to what I said about Hannity. ( a fact )

  • John Lucas posted at 3:51 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I must admit it took awhile to stop laughing at your statement about the integrity of Rand Paul. I have said it before you are the best advertisement for being a Liberal on this forum and do not think for a moment that we do not appreciate your great contributions to our cause.

  • John Lucas posted at 3:45 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730


  • John Kindseth posted at 2:09 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 246

    Letters to the editor is an Opinion based feature of the Sentinel. One should not search here for facts. It is good to see it being fully used to its intended purpose.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:41 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    So, here we are in the midst of President Barack Hussein Obama’s struggle to get past his own falsehoods (lies) regarding his promises about his signature medical care legislation and the left dares to begin a debate concerning lies and integrity?

    Oh, I know of all the attempts by his underlings and followers who want the American people to understand what he “really meant” when promised that we’ll be able to keep our policies and doctors. But to date we haven’t heard directly from the president in this regard. Personally, I can’t wait for what he will try to define what “is” is or whatever two-letter word needs to be better understood and/or redefined at the time he uttered it.

    Sadly, those on the left don’t really care about the promises, lies and lack of integrity. They don’t even care about was in the bill as it was signed into law regardless of their admitted fact then that no one knew what would be coming down the pike for all of us (excluding those who wrote it). Talk about blind faith on our behalf! I’m sure there’s a lot more to come, folks!

  • Ed Walters posted at 1:23 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 638

    Evidently it can be done, by that the Demos have invented a plane that can fly with only a left wing, doesn`t go anywhere since it can only fly in circles. Lucas clames that Hannity never acknowledged his error and went on to his next lie, on a bigger scale Obama never acknowledged his massive mistake concerning when he said during many of his promise that " you can keep you own doctor" along with Obamacare, and to this day has not dug his way out of the hole he had dug for himself, only getting deaper. Why bother, people will believe anything he says, sorta like the blind leading the blind. Hartung, take an anti-acid pill and feel good again. You and the others hate the Republicans, good their around, what else would have to hate, maybe thanks to your man, higher taxes that are coming. Certainly can`t blame any of this in California on Republicans, since that aren`t any in California. And you Joanne [sleeping]

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:23 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Considering that Mr. Lucas was just on the edge of total words permitted for the New-Sentinel's letters-to-the-editor, perhaps he would be so kind to provide here at least the air date of the purported lies uttered by Mr. Hannity and those on his program offered in his third paragraph.

  • Robert Marty posted at 1:12 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    rmartygeo Posts: 32

    What a liberal love-fest between Joanne and John. Kind of gross.

    I do agree with the initial thought of John (gulp) but it is not the conservatives causing the problems, as you would wish. The values have changed because of all the constant entitlements handed out by the Feds. The constant nanny state.

    But then again, you did present an opinion letter -- and that's all you have presented is your opinion.

    Maybe you and Joanne should start some kind of club to sit around and think how to better distribute my wealth.

    By the way: service to our Country? I'm a small business owner whom contributes to our economy (taxes, well-paying jobs, etc.) to help pay for all the government entitlements as well as fund the military.

    To all the small business owners out there: thank you for your service.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:11 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Rand Paul has more integrity in his little finger than Obama has in his entire body.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:04 pm on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Why; don't you grace us with a list of the LIES the conservatives are spreading.

  • robert maurer posted at 11:05 am on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 488

    Mrs.Bobin: Strange that you mentioned your comment regarding your tue.7:38 post: I graduated high school in 1976 and we celebrated 200 years of independence, although the Viet Nam war was winding down from 1972 -1976, we were trained to be physically and mentally fit to be ready for basic training through the mandatory PE classes back then. It may be cliché today to thank our military for their sacrifices, but when I say that to someone,I mean it. Too bad that PE does not mean what it did before. When my generation was in school, this was required, not optional.. I,personally take this seriously,since my great grandfather served under Firechief McBride, when Chicago, Ill. was a village. I have the original brittle documents to prove that .

  • Michael Hartung posted at 7:53 am on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    mhartung Posts: 25

    John great job you are so correct. The lies spewed from the conservative media has fueled the tea party and the general hatred toward anyone that is a non-white, gun control, pro choice, pro gay rights, non war monger. It makes me sick what comes out of their mouths. Thanks

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:44 am on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    As for integrity - we are being treated to a classic case of the severe lack of by a Republican and TEA Party darling - Rand Paul.

    In response to his exposure as one who has committed wholesale plagiarism both in his speeches AND his book - and from Wikipedia of all sources! - his response is to dismiss the claims as trivial and, amazingly enough - wishes that DUELING were legal so he could challenge one of his accusers - a woman - to a duel.

    Now that's what I call "integrity!"

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:38 am on Tue, Nov 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent, Mr. Lucas.

    Just yesterday my husband commented that military service should be mandatory in this country if only to teach discipline, integrity, and commitment to our young adults. Just as the Israel Defense Forces - military service is mandatory for all citizens at age 18 - men and women, who must serve three and two years respectively.

    As for "thank you for your service," while it is a respectful comment, we now seem to have turned it into an art form. Last year we had some work done due to a water leak through our homeowners insurance - our carrier is a company that used to only provide coverage to former and current military officers, but now also covers all service members and their families.

    By the time the work was done it had become ridiculous that every worker through the door was required by the insurance company to tell my husband, "thank you for your service." It became a cliche.


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