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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:17 am, Thu Jul 28, 2011.

I would like to share with you and your readers something concerning why America’s economy is so bad and why the Swedish economy is so good.

Sweden’s government did the exact opposite of every other Western government when the present world economy collapsed — they stimulated private ownership and they reduced government spending, taxes and debt. As a result, their unemployment was a low 4.1 percent in June (last month) up from 3.8 percent in May.

Our unemployment in the United States today is 9.2. Are the Swedish smarter than Americans?

It is not rocket science to understand why the two economies went in different directions. When the market collapsed, our federal government did everything wrong. They stimulated banks and unions to the detriment of private business, they increased spending by growing government by 25 percent, they increased debt dramatically and even now propose to increase taxes and expand the debt ceiling.

Another example of a country on the move is China. They have adopted capitalism and have made it relatively easy for companies to make products and services, which increase jobs for their people and their economy. Such is the way of the very creation of wealth.

While here in America, those who produce products and services and provide jobs are depicted in some media as being the enemy of the people. They are sometimes reported as being rich and greedy and need to have their taxes increased.

Also, the government has chosen to redistribute their wealth rather than getting out of the way and letting them create wealth — which is something businesses can do very well. It is little wonder that many corporations move to other countries to conduct their operations, which also takes their production of wealth and jobs away from America.

It is indeed heartbreaking to witness the progressive demise of our once great economy! The solution is so very simple that I sometimes wonder if our economic condition is deliberate!

F.W. “Bill” Stamos

Lodi

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86 comments:

  • Kim Lee posted at 11:11 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: I know you and Bill have a hard time when you can't label someone. You do like the name calling too, Darrell. It really stumps you both when someone disagrees with you and you lose the debate. You just go into a tailspin and start labeling and name calling. Or you just keep posting "no comment" over and over again. And, Darrell, the only time I have ever shown something even remotely close to anger (more like disgust) towards you was when you insulted my children, whom you have never met, with your rude and nasty comments. That was crossing the line... of good character and simple decency. You failed in both areas when you showed all here your true colors.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:50 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    liberal?... another label?.. Hummmm.... maybe liberal and conservative is not appropriate in this case. K lee claims not be liberal yet shows anger and resentment when a conservative voices positions or opinions...

    Bill... I always thought K Lee walked and talked like a liberal but she always denies she is one. Maybe in this case if it walks and quacks like a duck, it's a jelly fish.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:59 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos: A Liberal? Try another label.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:50 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    I believe, Bill Stamos, that you are indeed offended by my views and opinions, as they differ from yours. The closed minded holier than thou type always say exactly what I expect them to say, always!

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 11:18 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Please believe K Lee that I am not offended by your opinions. Liberal thinkers always say exactly what I expect them to say, always!

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:36 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Yes, Darrell, it would be nice for you to expand your imagination. It's a good thing.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:58 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Of course that is news to you... Obviously.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:42 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    That's news.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:32 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I can imagine.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:48 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Personally, I prefer that people do not speak for me.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:48 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Ones truth and opinions are theirs alone.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:41 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I prefer that people speak for themselves. Thanks.

    I appreciate that thought... but truth is truth... and opinions are opinions regardless from where it originates

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    I prefer that people speak for themselves. Thanks.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:18 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee.... I would assume all Bill meant was that he" prefers" to converce with people who see the glass half full instead of half empty. He is not a wall flower as you once said to me about yourself.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:12 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "...and hope that I am never offended by another's comments."

    Then you might never want to speak again, Bill! LOL! Seriously, try not to be so easily offended. When someone challenges your views, doesn't agree with you in some way or even asks you questions that you don’t like, try stepping out of your comfort zone and consider what is being said. You seem very easily offended, and quick to pounce, when your views are challenged.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 1:59 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Thank you for your comments Jerome Kinderman, am appreciative of your advice and hope that I am never offended by another's comments. I have read many of your letters in the Lodi News Sentinel, keep up the good work.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:53 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    And to think Mr. Baumbach, Mr. Stamos is just starting his journey through the varying personalities, ideologies and idiosyncrasies that make up the Lodi News-Sentinel's online comments system. I remember my first few posts and how quickly I learned the best way to respond; at least as it works for me. My only unsolicited advice to offer would be to not take any of us too seriously. So welcome Mr. Stamos, and the best of luck to you as well!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:24 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    One might ponder the definition of nice in this instance...

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 5:26 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Have a nice day, Bill.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 2:58 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    K Lee, what on earth gave you the idea that as a result of your statements that I feel bruised and offended? Not! Despite the fact that I considered all your questions to lack in meaningful substance, I attempted to answer each of them with respect for you as a person. The one time I asked you a question in an attempt in considering where you were coming from, you just blew me off with what I thought to be a frivolous comment which was also lacking in civility. May I suggest that you also be nicey nice to people, the results may surprise you!

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 6:48 am on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Great posts Bill Stamos, brilliant observations, you have hit the nail directly on the head, good to have you aboard, and thank you for your kind thoughts.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:59 am on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee stated...I'll pray for you both. Have a nice evening

    You can see by this person's posts that she meant "prey" for both of you.... not pray. I hope you find peace of mind so that you can focus on something appropriate.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:31 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "When you said that “ the rest of us want to protect children from such Monsters, you implied that I do not want to protect children from molesters..."

    Yes, that is what I said and that is what I meant. It was not an implication...it was a statement. If you want to allow a child molester to live out his days in the comfort of his own home (not in jail) then you are, in my clear view, allowing a monster to prey on children. Yes, you heard me. Obviously you disagree with my hard line with child molesters.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:11 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "It is indeed a shame when a person is so filled with contempt for another person's thoughts and opinions."

    Oh, Bill, don't be so dramatic and easily offended....sheesh. Sorry you got bruised. If you don't want to face, and converse, with someone that challenges your views and opinions then perhaps it is best that you simply don't respond. You go ahead and play nicey nice with Darrell, as he offers you the most strokes. I'll pray for you both. Have a nice evening.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:17 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bill.. hope it a beginning to something good... There are not too many people watching the Asian markets on Sunday night here in USA .. I have a feeling you are alert and up on things in general.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 7:14 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93


    Wow, just checked the Dow Jones Industrial Average and the futures are way up, looks like the stock market is set to rally upward tomorrow morning. The Asian markets are presently trading in the green as well.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 7:04 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Hope everyone reading this blog is enjoying their week-end especially in Livable Lovable Lodi. May God Bless each and every one and may He have mercy upon us all..!

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 6:58 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Darrell said; Bill.. I think you can see from K lee's post a hostility and anger that is inappropriate.
    If she follows saying more, I will simply say " no comment". I think K lee has gotten out of hand.
    In fact... I think K Lee is actually someone to avoid.

    It didn't take me long to form the same opinion. I came on line earlier and decided not to comment to K Lee's posts any longer. It is indeed a shame when a person is so filled with contempt for another person's thoughts and opinions.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:49 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Thank you for using this example K Lee. I think it demonstrates why I want nothing to do with you.

    Yes K Lee, I stated this to you... and was frustrated with you because I was attempting to debate the possibility that society could be protected in alternate ways other than imprison an 80 year old man. California pays hugh taxes to pay for prison inmates and I was attempting to focus on ways to save money yet still protect society.
    As a result of my position, you accuse me of showing favor of child molesters . When you said that “ the rest of us want to protect children from such Monsters, you implied that I do not want to protect children from molesters... This is what you posted...K Lee posted at 3:38 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011...
    Darrell:
    Why would you support a child molesterter getting out of jail so as to enjoy the comforts of home in his old age? The rest of us want to protect children from such monsters. Anyone that cares about children would think the same way, so why do you disagree?

    Honestly K Lee... please leave me alone. It is very unpleasant and like I said... I have no desires to engage you in the least. I intended to just say no comment, but you again tried to make me appear bad.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:56 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "so from this point on I hope you allow me to say “ no comment” without you following up saying ugly things about me."

    Darrell: If you'd rather not engage in a dialog with me then you'd be wise to just refrain from posting to me at all. Your "no comment" responses are specifically intended to annoy (ie; troll), as other posters have already mentioned.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:52 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote...
    posted at 9:39 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011...Darrell: This child molester can be out at 80 years old. Yes, an 80 year old child molester is dangerous to children. Yes, you are completely ignorant if you think otherwise...

    SO IN OTHER WORDS, you have no clue... no thinking skills... no ability to contemplate and ponder possibilities and alternatives that could protect society, save tax payers money and at the same time make more money available to victims of this crime.... One size fits all for you. That makes sense considering how often you misunderstand the intent and meaning of my posts.

    I know it mightbe difficult Ms Lee, but please think a little... just a few seconds....well in your case, a few hours... and I know you can “think” of a better way...
    By the way, age 80 is the earliest he can apply for parole... the parole board then would evaluate and determine if he is a threat. If he is let out, he will be under supervision until 85. This was not a Ted Bundy( in intelligence)... he was a simple bus driver who probably has thinking skills at your level... no threat there...
    My guess is this man will never see the light of day and will die long before he has an opportunity to get out. You on the other hand are stuck living with you... that I have compassion for.
    ---------

    Is this a reasonable man?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:51 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bill.. I think you can see from K lee's post a hostility and anger that is inappropriate.
    If she follows saying more, I will simply say " no comment". I think K lee has gotten out of hand.

    In fact... I think K Lee is actually someone to avoid.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:45 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K lee... I think you need rest. I cannot control that you misinterpret my posts. I have stated that I do not know your children, have never met them and you have completely misunderstood what I state. I have stated you are cold hearted and unreasonable in past posts because of statements you have made. You claim I have stalked you but I would be very happy if I never saw another post of yours again... stalk you???
    I have tried to ignore you by simply saying no comment over and over to communicate that I do not wish to engage. But when you make such derogatory comments, it is difficult to ignore. Let me give you an offer. Please leave me alone and I will gladly ignore you completely. I have no desire to participate in anything you have to do and say and would appreciate your cooperation in leaving me alone. I have stated that I think your comments have nothing constructive or positive to contribute to these on line posts and therefore your posts are not something I care about...
    so from this point on I hope you allow me to say “ no comment” without you following up saying ugly things about me.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:09 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "K Lee, it is simply my opinion, based upon what Darrell Baumbach has written, that he is a person who reasons in logic."

    Bill Stamos: I just tried to warn you and save you some trouble. I don't like to see people snowed over. The truth is important. Unfortunately, if you continue to post here, you will soon find that your impressions of Darrell will drastically change and the words "reason" and "logic" will no longer work their way into another sentence referring to Darrell. That is simply the truth as most here see it. Good luck.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:59 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: The truth... You can lie all day long about whatever you like... your so called travels, your experiences, where you live, your opinions of others etc... it doesn't matter. No one here believes a word you say anymore. You do not have integrity or respect for the truth. You make statements and then completely flip on people when they call you on your garbage. You lie constantly about the smallest things, and purposely try and anger others (ie; troll), so no one trusts you here anymore (except for a new poster that is still unaware of your antics). That's the truth, Darrell. I was patient with you in the beginning, but I quickly learned that you are not to be trusted, especially when you stalk me from thread to thread and bring other/old thread baggage with you. You hit bottom when you blasted my children. A real "man" does not make assumptions about and then blast someone else’s child. That showed your "real" character, Darrell. Others here agreed. You're pathetic and obviously a very unreasonable man. Your kudos and strokes never fooled me early on here, as it was obviously all fake. My suspicions of you were soon confirmed, as your true self quickly emerged. Enjoy the delusion that you are a respected man.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:31 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell stated, "...you are insulting"

    Look in the mirror, Darrell.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:30 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "By the way, do you have first hand knowledge or experience concerning child labor in China that you can share with us?"

    Why? Do you need proof of the child slave labor history in China?

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 1:32 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    K Lee, it is simply my opinion, based upon what Darrell Baumbach has written, that he is a person who reasons in logic. Am sorry that you take issue with my sincere expressions to him.
    By the way, do you have first hand knowledge or experience concerning child labor in China that you can share with us?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:07 am on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee stated...Please do not offer your childhood experiences working in the vineyards of Lodi, California and tossing a small town newspaper on doorsteps against the child labor in China. There is absolutely no comparison, Bill. And, yes, it sounded like a comparison

    Ms Lee... I conclude you speak from which you have little knowledge based on your comments.
    My grandfather and his brothers lived and worked in Lodi. None of them were allowed to go beyond third grade in school as our family felt they should be working in the fields from sun raise to sun set.
    Ill repeat... 3ird graders working in fields and were not paid an income. That was normal in United States for the German farmers who migrated from the Dakota's to Lodi to make a living. The average family had 6-10 children mainly as economically, the father expected the children to work in the Fields.My grandfather had around 18 brothers and sisters.. all worked... no school.

    I spent 6 weeks in China specifically to observe education, students, and to see what it was like for children in China. I when to schools in Guangzhou, Kunming, Dali, Shangri- La, Tangshan and Beijing.
    In interviewed college students and met with elementary school teachers and students who gave me incite into China's educational system and what life is like for children. I saw it with my own eyes.

    Children in China must attend school through 8th grade. Then students either go to trade school or academic schools . There are no buses for students that I saw. If a student lived more than 15 miles from the nearest school, they were required to live on campus during the school week. If they live within 15 miles, they ride their bicycles to school which I observed over and over.

    I could write much more and have videos to prove what I am talking about, so I know that you simply wrong in your assertions. This was in 2008.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:40 am on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee stated...Bill. And, yes, I might ask you questions that you may not like. I don't play favorites here and I don't toss out strokes just to make friends. Anyway...

    K Lee.. the point is not that you ask questions that people do not like, the point is that you ask questions and make comments that have no relationship to the original point. In addition, you are insulting.
    If you look at Bill's posts, the answers to your questions are direct and on point specifically to the questions you asked. Unfortunately, your question asking if he favored child slavery was so far out there that it made no sense to ask it in the first place. So I was not complimenting Bill for no reason. I appreciated how well he comprehended and articulated a response that came from his heart. He also confirmed what I thought of your questions by stating... “ Mr. Lee, where on earth do you get these thoughts?”.. I could not have stated it better.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:19 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Thank you Darrell, I appreciate your participation here as reasoned logic is always refreshing to me. It is truly amazing to me where K Lee assumes his conclusions.

    When I was growing up my Father was a foreman for Graffigna and as a youngster I worked in the vineyards and orchards. I never thought of it as slave labor and I don't think it resulted in harm to me, quite the contrary! I also had a paper route for the Lodi News-Sentinel as very young boy.
    --------------------------------

    Keep thanking Darrel as it feeds his needy ego. A suggestion... don't be fooled by his many strokes and kudos. And, FYI, if you stick around your opinion of him will change, as Darrell has never been known for his "reasoned logic". Just because someone quickly agrees with you does not mean the others here are wrong, Bill. And, yes, I might ask you questions that you may not like. I don't play favorites here and I don't toss out strokes just to make friends. Anyway...

    Please do not offer your childhood experiences working in the vineyards of Lodi, California and tossing a small town newspaper on doorsteps against the child labor in China. There is absolutely no comparison, Bill. And, yes, it sounded like a comparison.

    Earlier I did not say that you were for child slave labor. I asked a provocative question to elicit a "to the point" truthful response from you, as your comments were disturbing to me.

    You went on to speak here of your work as a child and tell us that you never thought of it as slave labor. Well, why would you ever think it was child slave labor? Your childhood jobs were not even close to the child slave labor in China....not in a million years. It sounds like your childhood was wonderful.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:37 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric Barrow posted at 7:08 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011...Bill, are you suggesting that God literally had a hand in the creation of the U.S. Constitution...

    Eric, are you saying that God literally had no hand in the creation of the US constitution? In addition since you believe that the constitution claims that all people are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable right not just citizens of this nation, can you please direct me to where it states that... I have never heard the claim that our constitution referrs to people in other countries. Im open to looking at your evidence.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:08 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Bill, are you suggesting that God literally had a hand in the creation of the U.S. Constitution. I am referring to your post at 8:59 on Sat. where you stated "This one true God, with Love for His Creation, reached down to mankind and the rest is recorded history."

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 5:10 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Thank you Darrell, I appreciate your participation here as reasoned logic is always refreshing to me. It is truly amazing to me where K Lee assumes his conclusions.

    When I was growing up my Father was a foreman for Graffigna and as a youngster I worked in the vineyards and orchards. I never thought of it as slave labor and I don't think it resulted in harm to me, quite the contrary! I also had a paper route for the Lodi News-Sentinel as very young boy.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:59 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    What an exhausting day. So far I have:
    1. Worked as a clandestine agitator for the City of Lodi
    2. Put in a few hours for the LNS agitating certain posters.
    3. Held a meeting with the LPD and the GOB's about certain posters.
    4. Drove all the way to Pelican Bay Prison to put in a shift as a crooked cop
    and still managed to get a few hours of good fishing in the Pacific out of the Trinidad harbor. And here all this time I thought I was retired.....
    Whew, I should sleep well tonite.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:47 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Ms. Bobin, I suggest you practice what you preach,

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:09 pm on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bill stated...Mr. Lee, where on earth do you get these thoughts?

    Bill, I have been asking myself the same question many times when I read K Lee's posts. When K Lee drew a conclusion that you might favor child slavery based on your comments... one would have to wonder if 2+3= 96.576

    I have a feeling that you are an interesting person Bill. No wonder Don considers you a friend.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 9:16 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    K Lee Asked: Bill: Are you suggesting that China will give up communism? How will China follow the US model without sacrificing the way they do business now? Consider their child labor as well as regulations to force cleaner healthier air, water and environment.

    Mr. Lee, where on earth do you get these thoughts? Of course it is a fact that the Chinese have followed the U.S. model to develop their economic climate. It is also a fact that they are still governed by communist ideology guided by Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong thought. A strange mixture of capitalism and communism. I already commented on what I believe concerning their environmental issues in a previous blog.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 9:03 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    K Lee also asked: So, are you for child slave labor?
    What kind of question is this? Of course I am not for child slave labor..!

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 8:59 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93


    K Lee asked: Do you think every American believes in the same God?
    Unfortunately not as the overwhelming majority of Americans believe in a god, religion or cult that has been created in the mind of some limited person. Such religions are mere philosophies and in fact inferior to the person who created them. Such belief systems obviously do not have power over sin and death. On the other hand the Creator mentioned in the United States Constitution is Almighty God, who is the Creator of all things visible and invisible and is The Ruler of the Universe. This one true God, with Love for His Creation, reached down to mankind and the rest is recorded history.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:32 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "It is true the Chinese people have a lot of work to do in cleaning up its pollution problems, however, once again they have a blue print of how they can proceed by looking how the good ole United States of America did it, but they must accomplish this without sacrificing their economy."

    Bill: Are you suggesting that China will give up communism? How will China follow the US model without sacrificing the way they do business now? Consider their child labor as well as regulations to force cleaner healthier air, water and environment.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:25 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "K Lee, Do I understand that what you mean by 'balance' is that the Chinese children would be better off closing down business and the flow of money into their country thus driving their population back into poverty?"

    So, are you for child slave labor?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:20 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "I might add that being an America is different than being a citizen of any other country and it is a total mystery to me as to why the American people are willing to expel our Creator God from the public square as it will eventually lead to the abrogation of our Creator Endowed rights."

    Bill Stamos: Do you think that every American believes in the same God?

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 12:47 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Eric, yes as a Christian I believe all people are endowed by their Creator with certain Unalienable Rights, however the Great Declaration of Independence of 1776 was specifically written for We the People of these United States of America. This means that any law correctly made pursuant to the the U.S. Constitution cannot be abrogated by man as a matter of law.

    Whereas the laws of other governments the rights of the people are granted by mere men and can thus be abrogated by mere men. I might add that being an America is different than being a citizen of any other country and it is a total mystery to me as to why the American people are willing to expel our Creator God from the public square as it will eventually lead to the abrogation of our Creator Endowed rights. But that is a different topic!


     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 12:27 am on Sat, Jul 30, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    K Lee, Do I understand that what you mean by 'balance' is that the Chinese children would be better off closing down business and the flow of money into their country thus driving their population back into poverty? Unbelievable! It is true the Chinese people have a lot of work to do in cleaning up its pollution problems, however, once again they have a blue print of how they can proceed by looking how the good ole United States of America did it, but they must accomplish this without sacrificing their economy. Not long ago I remember the very serious pollution problems we had here, the smog that hung visible over Sacramento and the L.A. Basin was intolerable as it is now in large Chinese cities. We cleaned our environment up pretty well and the Chinese are working on more efficient energy for industry as well as homes where 70% rely upon coal for cooking and heating.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:25 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Billl,
    I believe that the constitution claims that all people are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable right not just citizens of this nation

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 6:48 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "I just recognize at the present time how they are able to produce products giving their people employment and a better standard of living while using the global economy as their clients."

    Bill Stamos: Better standard of living? You are holding up China as a shining example for producing products and jobs, but you are not looking at the whole picture. You speak of producing products and jobs, but at what severe cost to their health, environment and children.... oh, and that priceless treasure called freedom? There has to be a balance.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:08 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Just wait until Labor Unions figure out how to organize Chinese workers. Eventually their economy will go in the dumper just like ours has. Somehow, I doubt the Chinese aren't ever going to let that happen. Especially a union for their government workers.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:32 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bill .. great post! Each country can learn from the success of others. China has modeled after the United States economic engine that we used to have. They provide a good business environment where business can succeed easier than here ( no unions, less red tape and regulations). However, they are a communist country and people do not have the political freedoms and rights as we do here. Thank you for bringing reality to this thread as K Lee obviously has not. In my view,the attitude and work ethic of people in your generation and your father's is missed.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 4:12 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    K Lee, what on earth are you saying? Nothing can be further from the truth! China does not have a Constitution that recognizes that it's citizens are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights. I am also a combat veteran of the Korean conflict where I put my life and limb on the line to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, the enemy we engaged there was the Chinese military. How is it possible that you can say that I want America to be like China? I just recognize at the present time how they are able to produce products giving their people employment and a better standard of living while using the global economy as their clients. The Chinese leaders just followed the blue print learning those skills from America's past. I am in favor of our country returning to the values and work ethic that made us the greatest country in the world of which I sadly say we have abandoned as a nation.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 3:36 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Speaking of China, GE is moving their x-ray business division headquarters to China and adding $2 billion to help with it's new investment.

    Obama's front man on his jobs council GE's CEO Jeffery Immelt is looking into ways of putting more Americans back to work, only problem the work happens to be in Beijing.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:41 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "Another example of a country on the move is China."

    Are you really holding up China as a shining example for the United States? It sounds like you want the United States to be just like China. That's scary!

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:32 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Bill Stamos wrote, "Darrell, judging from your comments you are aware of reality."

    LOL! Best laugh on these boards today!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:47 am on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Seriously, Mr. Baxter. You have to be the most uncivilized person in this forum. You never have anything intelligent to offer. Only cracks about deporting illegals at taco truck competitions and making allusions to those you don't agree with as being "fairies."

    Time to become a mature human being instead of a childish churl.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bill stated...Just got off the telephone with your Uncle Don who was a childhood friend of mine. We will be attending our Lodi High 60th Reunion next month.

    Bill, thanks for the post... Don is good person to know. They do not come much better. Have a good time as your reunion!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:53 am on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric Barrow stated...This places the children of the poor into a cycle of poor education leading to low incomes and forcing them to raise children in the same underfunded education systems

    Eric demonstrates a real compassion and concern for people who find themselves trapped in bad circumstances with no apparent solution or remedy. I appreciate his concern and think it speaks highly to Eric's character.
    However, I do not think his perception matches reality as far as educational results because of funding. If you look at the education of all the children in poor economic conditions in countries like India and China, you discover that funding of education has little to do with quality. Education funding is almost non existent yet these kids are surpassing our kids who benefit from massive education funding in USA by tax payers in comparison. In China, elementary school teachers live on school grounds and provide tutoring and study groups after school hours until 10:00PM . So I think it is the system of education itself and not just the money that is more influential in education outcome.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 8:15 am on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    The Gross Domestic Products (GDP) was reported for the 2nd quarter this morning and the numbers were stagnant. If we were concerned about getting these numbers up rather than spending so much time on the debt ceiling increase we could fix this economy.
    By the way they should change the name of 'debt ceiling' to 'target ceiling' as it seems to be the only thing our politicians can successfully reach each year!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:49 am on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Ryan I agree that the wealth gap has more to do with education than race. Due to the fact that public education funding is based on property values the poorest of the nation are living in the lowest funded school systems. This places the children of the poor into a cycle of poor education leading to low incomes and forcing them to raise children in the same underfunded education systems that they where raised in. At the same time doctors are raising doctors and lawyers are raising lawyers at a rate that is the highest in our countries history

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 6:41 am on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    The ethnicity pay gap is more to do with levels of education than it is with specific ethnic differences. It isn't racist Doug, it's reality.

    Joanne, where are you coming up with this assertion that Darrell wants to destroy the environment? Let me ask you another question, would it bother you for the US to drill for oil in Alaska?

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:43 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    little joe, which ethnicities do you refer to that won't work? And it looks like sooner or later for capitalism, too. Haven't we run out of other people's money, too? Idiot!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:17 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If only Mr. Stamos had read ALL THE WORDS in the PolitiFact article.

    Mr. Baumbach stated: "In my view, regulations increased and more government power and control was implemented... "

    Nuff said..."in my view." We all know what that means..........................Read more, Mr. Baumbach, read more. You may be enlightened.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 6:42 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Thank you for your kind words Darrell, judging from your comments you are aware of reality. Just got off the telephone with your Uncle Don who was a childhood friend of mine. We will be attending our Lodi High 60th Reunion next month.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 6:00 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Isn't it about time that the current administration and their base begin taking responsibility for our economy and quit blaming G.W. Bush and 'big business'? Where on earth do these people think a nations work force is employed for the purpose of creating wealth and the influx of taxes into the system?
    Just to the right of this blog there is a column entitled PolitiFact.com where it states that Tom Coburn said, "the government is 30 percent bigger than it was when (Barack) Obama became president." (corrected to actually be 28%) This is apparently where the stimulus money went, to increase the size of 'big government' which cannot create wealth but is rather an additional cost burden placed on the backs of the people. Had that money been circulated into the private sector we would have been out of this recession some time ago and there would be plenty of money for entitlements and social programs.
    Now let's be reasonable, if your family budget fell on hard times which began taking every dollar you take in just to make ends meet without any discretionary spending at all, would you think about cutting some things back or consider producing more wealth or would you add 28% more burden to your budget? It really isn't very complicated.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:44 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Oh, that's the only drawback of living in China...that darned Communist government..
    I think Ms Bobin would feel at home in a communist China as the democratic party is amazingly similar in thought, ideas, solutions and structure. www.CPUSA.org for verification. ( identical thinking)

    As far as regulations under GWB, I had to laugh as Ms Bobin perceives regulations were eased under his administration... Now that is funny. In my view, regulations increased and more government power and control was implemented... It was the one major area that bothered me about Bush.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Barrow makes a very logical, and most likely factual, case for the deliberate destruction and continued destruction of our economy just to prove that a man who has been called every name in the book cannot run the country.

    I wonder if that is what Mr. Stamos meant by "deliberate?"

    Mr. Baumbach's libertarian notions are the reason this country went down the toilet under GWB's loosening of regulations. Now he also wants the US to re-destroy the environment in the name of corporate profits. It has taken 50 years to undo the destruction done to our rivers, lakes, streams, and oceans; billions and billions of dollars to clean-up landfills from irresponsibly dumped chemicals that have polluted our groundwater (Lodi), and have air that we can breath again.

    If Mr. Stamos and Mr. Baumbach want that type of environment to live in, China is a great place to move to. Just don't blog over there Mr. Baumbach, criticizing the government as you do, or you may find yourself not seeing the light of day for quite a while. Oh, that's the only drawback of living in China...that darned Communist government.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:15 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    ERIC BARROW, the wage differential between ethnicities is just fine with me. There is a reason for these figures. I don't feel obligated to subsidize anybody's income because they won't work. Not my fault there are no jobs either. There are generations of welfare recipients. They are adept in "milking the system" instead of working. How about mandating all students get A's, even the ones that didn't study and turn in homework. I read a great quote that stated, "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:53 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Stamos stated While here in America, those who produce products and services and provide jobs are depicted in some media as being the enemy of the people.
    And...
    China. has adopted capitalism and have made it relatively easy for companies to make products and services, which increase jobs for their people and their economy.

    Mr Stamos. Thank you for submitting such an accurate letter making factual assertions. You clearly have a good grasp of reality. I saw the capitalism in action when I stayed in China. It is amazing what can be done economically when the government takes off the hand cuffs. I think unless unemployment hits 20%, the left will turn a blind eye as usual.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:27 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Our economic condition is deliberate, Bush deregulated banking systems and Wall Street so the upper class can increase their wealth and sent this country into recession. As Obama tries to right the ship the GOP continue to play obstructionist they know that if things start going well that Obama will get a second term and they have already stated that their main objective is to not let that happen. They will deliberately allow the economy to slide back into a recession just to stop Obama's second term

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:20 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    The corporations are certainly not the friends of the people. They currently have record profits due to record productivity. They are willing to work people harder squezzing every ounce of productivity in order to increase their profits. They have no concern for this country or they would do some hiring with those profits. The banks are no better, Bush bailed them out in there time of need and still they don't lend to average Americans. A person would have to be foolish to think that big business is a friend of the working man.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:12 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    A recent survey shows that the average income for a white family in the U.S. is $113,000 a hispanic family in this country $6,325 and a black family is $5,677. I guess that distribution is just fine.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 12:16 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Steve, what good is a single payer health care system if the single payer is bankrupt? Our government now borrows 40% of everything it currently spends and our debt is 92.7% of our GDP now, where China's debt is 19.1% of their GDP. I believe this is a serious wake up call and if we do nothing about it we will be just like Greece in a few more years.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 12:05 pm on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Who can really judge another person's motives? However there are many who have a distain for our free interprise society as well as the U.S. Constitution and accually believe that it is right and moral to run up huge debts to burden our children and grandchildren.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:01 am on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good point, Mr. Schmidt.

    Yes, Mr. Stamos, I know the meaning of deliberate - what you need to expand on is your use of the word, as in "for WHAT purpose would our government want to destroy our own economy?"

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:46 am on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

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    Well, one commonality that both Sweden and China share is their single payer health care systems. Such systems take immense burdens off of employers while maintaining a healthy and productive workforce.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 9:33 am on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    I believe deliberate means; carefully thought out or formed, or done on purpose..

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:24 am on Thu, Jul 28, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Props to Mr. Stamos for ending on that provacative note. Deliberate?...hmmm...I wonder what he means?

    And yes, I wish I lived in China. It is so pro-business there that the citizens cannot even take a breath of clean air, but who cares...the economy is great and soon, with all the money the US owes them, we'll be in the same boat if the GOP has its way.

     

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