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Letter: Police shouldn't have loaded guns at literacy or school activites

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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:00 am

This is in response to “Lodi chief addresses gun concerns” and the on-going investigation. I think there is a simple solution for this.

When going to Lodi literacy or other school activities, take the round out of the chamber — end of investigation.

Give the extra money saved back to the taxpayers.

Ben Coleman


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  • robert maurer posted at 3:47 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 483

    Just stating that Beretta also makes a 40 cal, in my previous comment. NOT making recommendations for any brand or calibur. I agree that a decent 357 is more accurate than a 9mm from my own experience. I also know that my 357magnum has gone through a cast iron engine block and out the other side or through a driver's door and out the passenger door with ease. Whether a 9mm can do this, I don't know. Haven't tried it. If a 357 goes through a 60s fullsize car, what will stop that round after it easily passes through a human body without hardly slowing down? BTW, I'm not a 9 mm fan, though I've fired a couple models,I wasn't impressed to the point of wanting one.

  • Mike Adams posted at 11:23 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1559

    Robert, Robert.....This is what you do...... Buy a Glock 31 (357 Sig.)

    Get a hold of some Glock 22 mags, the size they originally came with.

    Load your 357 Sig Bullets ( I prefer Sierra Gold Dot Hollow Points).

    Assuming even moderate abilities, you'll beat the guy with 9mm everyday.

    You'll need just one hit, he'll need more than that (assuming you are moderately motivated).

    See you at the Gun Show in Sacramento Expo tomorrow.

    Oh, and I have two Berettas (not counting a shotgun)...a model 21 ("the Jam Master) and the 950 which just annoys your assaliant (but you can get 7 empties in the air at the same time).

  • robert maurer posted at 10:56 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 483

    Beretta makes .22s, 380s, and 40 caliburs also, including the law enforcement only (LE) PX4 40 which comes with 3 14 round clips and a conventional safety at $587 each. As Steve said about cost prohibitive...

  • Mike Adams posted at 9:36 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1559

    "substandard" indeed sir!!!

    Might I just say here, your lovelly Berretta comes in a woman's caliber, 9 mm.
    While the far superior GLOCK has been issued in the much more powerful and versatile 40 S&W. Even the old stand-by 38 Super kicks parabellum butt from here to Sunday (and can be found in Colt 1911s).

    PLUS the LPD Glock 22 or 23 can be converted to the supreme 357 Sig by simply changig the barrell!!!! (And buying 357 Sig cartridges)

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:47 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2670

    The military gets around this sort of problem by issuing the double/single action Beretta. The trigger pull required to fire such a pistol with its hammer down would probably be more than a match for any 6 year old. That said, the cost to rearm and retrain the PD would probably be prohibitive.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:42 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2670

    Who among us hasn't miscounted his rounds and found himself on the range pulling a trigger with the chamber open? Mr Dockter's disdain for firearms is well known but, in this case, his ignorance could cost a policeman his life.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:40 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2670

    The problems inherent in the Glocks trigger safety have been discussed ad nauseum on a thousand gun sites. We could spend hours listing the countless flaws of this substandard weapon but nothing would change the fact that it is the most common law enforcement sidearm in America.

    That said, asking cops who have trained for years with locked and loaded side arms to unchamber their weapons is just asking for trouble. Should the officer forget to rack his weapon, he might well end up essentially unarmed in a life and death situation.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:00 am on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    Given the amount of shootings in the past few years where children are present I'm not one to make a fool of myself by suggesting police should be disarmed.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:51 am on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    I believe Ed Walters summed it up quite well. Frankly, the thought never occured to me that police should be disarmed anywhere while on duty And, police often have a conceiled firearm while off duty.

  • Ed Walters posted at 2:13 pm on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 631

    Mr. Kindseth: Here`s hoping this never happens to you or anyone that posts, however it could. You make light of the fact that inmates are not allowed to operate the asylm, home invations seem to be on the rise no matter what time of day or night. If that were to happen to you, aside from a loaded pair of skivvies, would you call Parks and Rec or someone you don`t know to risk their own life to protect yours. I have the means to protect my wife and myself and would call 911 first if I had the chance. If I had to do what must be done first, I would do it. Better him than me.[wink]

  • John Kindseth posted at 1:37 pm on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    For a more circumspectual view of the bigger issue, I turn to people who are more read than I. I hope some readers do too.


  • Ed Walters posted at 12:21 pm on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 631

    The weapon that police carry is as much a part of their uniform as hand cuffs or a Taser. This was an accident that happened once and most likely will not happen again. A new holster has been talked about, on the other hand a officer that needs to have that weapon at the ready in a mili-second would welcome the idea of a round in the chamber especially if his life depended on who got the first shot off. With a Glock there is already a round in the chamber, all that is needed is the trigger to be squezzed. Without a chambered round the slide must be pulled back to allow a round to enter the chamber. Sounds like a double edged sword, strange that the CHP uses a .40 cal. S&W, where as most local PD`s use the same cal. only a Glock.

    Thanks to the police that killed that shooter that went off his meds in DC and heard voices, without an armed police force, he might still be shooting. Shot gun, a very nasty weapon especially when using 12 guage and double OO. When it hit its target at 20-30', not much left.

  • John Kindseth posted at 12:12 pm on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    Proof that inmates are >usually< not allowed to operate the asylum

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:42 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You DO have a great idea for once, Mr. Dockter.

    Unless you have an absolutely FABULOUS reason WHY police need to be armed at a children's exhibition?

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:27 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865


    I have a great idea. Let's be even more foolish and just disarm the police altogether at thease activities.[angry]


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