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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:00 pm

The prayer of invocation at the City Council meeting is now under fire.

Prayer, by definition, is communication with God. Those who pray are not talking to people or seeking man's approval of their words, but are talking to God. An invocation that is pre-approved by the City Council or is selected from a standard list of approved prayers is ridiculous.

Some have suggested a moment of silence before the meetings. In this way, people can pray to Jesus, Allah, Shiva, the great cosmic force in the universe or Great Aunt Ethel.

Maybe I'm wrong, but a moment of silence seems like an inoffensive, politically correct exercise to keep everybody happy. Government bodies that use this are trying to ease their consciences by invoking help from someone (whoever he/she/it is) to get them out of the messes they find themselves in.

The News-Sentinel, in its editorial, made the flawed suggestion of having individuals from different faiths take turns giving the invocation. As one who has studied world religions, I can say with certainty that they have very little in common theologically. The definitions of God, salvation, heaven, sin, etc., are very different.

The popular statements: "We all believe in the same deity but have different names for him," and, "There are different roads on the mountain, but they all lead to the same place," are intellectual suicide. These statements sound good and make people feel warm and cozy, but they are just not true. Having various faiths praying is an exercise in confusion.

America was founded on Christian principles found in the Bible, not Islamic principles found in the Quran, Sikh principles found in the Ad Granth, Hindu principles found in the Vedas or Buddhist principles found in the various Sutras. This is historical fact, regardless of what historical revisionists say.

This is America and people have the freedom to worship as they choose, but our foundation rests on Christianity, and our Christian heritage compels us to pray in Jesus' name. If this offends anyone, then just skip the invocation.

Frank Nolton


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  • posted at 11:14 am on Sun, Jun 28, 2009.


    anthropis -- yes it does if I don't know it is coming. If I am at an event and I know beforehand there will be public displays of worship, then that's on me.

  • posted at 9:51 am on Sun, Jun 28, 2009.


    But, but....Obama is ***good***!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhhkF3dqXR0

  • posted at 4:30 am on Sun, Jun 28, 2009.


    It's been said that the only problem with Christianity is the Christians. All kidding aside -- Religion does have an inherent problem; in that, in its effort to personify the deity, it loses sight of the will of God. In other words, the "key" is in the "search" for Gods will; the "finding" will take care of itself. Now for God and govt: If this great nation stands for one thing, it stands for the never ending search for "The Will of God". Sure there are a lot of haters out there that say "America cheated, America bad", but anyone with any sence of history knows that's not true. Has America, Judeo-Chrisian roots and all, made some mistakes along the way? Of course, but when you've got humans trying to interpret the "Will of God" for Gods sake, you're bound to screw-it-up now and again, aren't you? The point is that America is about moving forward and "Gods good freedom" is the only way to make that happen. The haters disagree; and they are the ones working feverishly today in an effort to replace Gods will with that of man -- or Obama, as it were. It won't work.

  • posted at 10:14 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    dogs wrote: "...huge cloud over your head, beware of lighting bolts headed your way."But, dogs, that's a GOOD thing! Zeus is my god! LOL!

  • posted at 7:50 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    WTF, when there is a huge cloud over your head, beware of lighting bolts headed your way. Compairing one God`s man-hood to another, not sure I would go there. All these Christian Priniciples and alike are a source of cheap entertainment, I sit back and LMAO at most of the writings, as with all the different opinions nothing would ever get done. Just a couple of Hail Mary`s and get the show on the road. Oppssss that would piss someone off, just a moment of silence or pledge of allegiance would be fine and I doubt anyone would object to that.

  • posted at 7:14 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    @wtf- nice.

  • posted at 6:58 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    Frank wrote: "America was founded on Christian principles found in the Bible"BZZZZTTT!! Sorry, Frank, that answer is incorrect.America was founded on Freedom OF Religion (didn't specify which one) and Freedom FROM persecution; in other words, religious TOLERANCE for ALL religions.Like I posted in the Prez Oath blog, if the focus was on "spirituality" rather than the idea that "My god's d*ck is bigger than your god's" we might actually get somewhere. LOL!

  • posted at 6:35 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    So you're a nonbeliever? Well, I hope you change your mind before he throws his lightning bolts in your direction. Dismiss Him at your own peril.

  • posted at 6:25 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    MEP, Greek mythology is all but history now, but if there was a group that still believed in that stuff (Zeus as a god) I guess it would be interesting.

  • posted at 5:54 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    anthropis - would a weekly public invocation to Zeus, the king of all gods, make you angry or uncomfortable, or would it just seem silly?

  • posted at 4:50 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    Bob, does an invocation in public offend you and does it make you angry?

  • posted at 4:39 am on Sat, Jun 27, 2009.


    Frank said: "Maybe I'm wrong, but a moment of silence seems like an inoffensive, politically correct exercise to keep everybody happy."No, you're not wrong. Why would they strive for something else that is offensive, politically incorrect, and makes everyone angry? Seems like a no brainer there Frank.


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