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Letter: Medicaid expansion will help keep health care costs down

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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:00 am

It is interesting to read the hysteria about the cancellation of health insurance policies on the individual market. This has no effect on the 80 percent of Americans covered by employers or Medicare. Fifteen percent are uninsured and the remaining 5 percent are on the individual market.

On this market, only 17 percent kept their insurance two years in a row, and before Obamacare, 80 percent were canceled annually. What is happening now is nothing new, and the cause for the most part is not Obamacare. This is normal for this market, but does not stop our right-wing friends from pretending the world as we know it is coming to an end.

The reality is, the vast majority of these people will get better insurance at a better price when they get the website working. Some will pay more, but they will be in a vast minority.

What’s more interesting to me is the 5.4 million people who are being denied health insurance because Republican governors refuse the Medicaid expansion, which costs these states nothing for three years and then the states only pay 10 percent of the cost. In these states, the cost of everyone else’s insurance will go up to pay for those emergency visits forced on these people who are being denied Medicaid. This will put an added strain on the hospitals in these states, and some will go out of business.

Gov. Kasich, a conservative Republican, accepted the Medicaid expansion. He said, “When you die and get to the meeting with St. Peter, he’s probably not going to ask you much about what you did about keeping government small. But he is going to ask you what you did for the poor.” That it is good for Ohio financially did not hurt.

Our Christian letter writers are always writing screeds on the social issues of the day. As some are against this Medicaid expansion, it would be interesting to hear the reasoning for denying people basic health care by not accepting the expansion. It would be the Christian thing to do.

John Lucas


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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:05 pm on Sun, Nov 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488


  • John Lucas posted at 11:51 am on Sun, Nov 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is in the constitution. We had a situation where health insurance companies were killing 45000 people a year, letting a much bigger number suffer needlessly and forcing millions of others into medical bankruptcy. It was a system designed in h-ll to enrich beyond their wildest dream a few while shortchanging everyone else. As you well know Obamacare passed constitutional muster and is now the law of the land. There is nothing nanny it about unless you think like a Republican. To them the freedom of a few to enrich themselves beyond measure while shortchanging everyone else is a sacred right. Are you not glad you live in a Republic where bloodsucking criminal health insurance companies can be regulated by the people through our elected representatives, the President and the Supreme court? You do believe in the constitution do you not? [smile]

  • John Lucas posted at 11:36 am on Sun, Nov 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Typical of you Joe. You cannot attack what she said because it is true so you attack her personally. Do not fret though, we still love you. As I have said before you do more for the Liberal agenda than anyone else on these forums.. Do not think we do not appreciate it and keep up the good work!!!

  • John Lucas posted at 11:29 am on Sun, Nov 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Too bad we cannot make a little bet on this. Social Security and Medicare met with the same over the top hyperbole . You gotta quit reading those chain emails from your friends, you know, the ones that told you Mitt Romney was going to win in a landslide.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:25 pm on Sat, Nov 23, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    More liberal hogwash. Since when does healthcare fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government? What next? Groceries? Sports? Liberals who want the goverrnment to be their nanny should simply move to a country where that ideology already exists and let Americans do what they have done for over 200 years in keeping America great and safe.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, Nov 23, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Not in YOUR lifetime.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 5:40 pm on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Merry Christmas, Joe.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:37 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Walters wrote: "As of now the lower class waits for the first of the month to receive their welfair check, employment check, which is a joke since they never worked a day on their life and most likely, if a doctor can sign off on some kind of phony disability, theres another check in the mail."

    Since the qualifications to receive all of the above mentioned "entitlements" are a VERY WELL KEPT SECRET, it is no wonder that Mr. Walters got it all wrong.

    In order to get unemployment benefits, you have to have worked. Worked a little? You get a "little" check. Worked a lot? You get a bigger check.

    And newsflash (from 7 years ago) - people all across the income spectrum are receiving unemployment benefits thanks to the previous administration's blunders and NO THANKS to the Republicans in Congress who want to cut them off.

    Disability? Except for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) which is paid from the general fund for those who are low income and disabled. Social Security Disability is a program that is paid through SS contributions of the individual - guess what, Mr. Walters - you have to had a job to make contributions! Just ask a commenter in this forum what a godsend it has been in his case.

    Welfare - I'll let you read about welfare, Mr. Walters since it is quite an intricate entitlement that has been severely restricted since the welfare reform of 1996 under President Clinton. It was changed to "Welfare to Work," and despite the claims of Mitt Romney (WHO???), who tried to claim that Obama had gutted welfare reform by removing the work requirement, that was found to be a lie from the Romney (WHO???) camp.

    Many others, including members and the families of our military, are receiving much needed food stamps, a program that was cut severely thanks to Republicans. The average food stamp benefit is $133/month. When was the last time YOU went to the grocery and only spent $133 for the entire month?

    It is embarrassing that there are people who paint everyone receiving an entitlement with the "lazy, loafer, good-for-nothing

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:04 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    This is a prime example of a comment that the moderators of this forum should NOT allow to be posted.

    1. Not on topic.
    2. Personal attack.
    3. Insults another commenter.
    4. Implies that the subject of the comment reads a communist newspaper for his information.


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:45 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    That's what we call a Freudian Slip, Mr. Heuer.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1672

    The ACA will be a success and we will eventually be talking about an expansion of Medicare. Unless you have a better idea... I thought not. The middle class and the working poor deserve it since they've been underpaid allowing the 1% and more to steal their earnings to amass their wealth.

  • robert maurer posted at 9:28 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    Thank you John; I took your advice that you gave Ed. Yes,an illuminating experience can be had at http://www.cicitas.org.uk/pubs/bb2France.php

  • robert maurer posted at 9:20 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 485

    Here is a short article regarding France's health care system and how it works and how it rates worldwide(#1) http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/bb2France.php

  • John Lucas posted at 8:31 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thanks, Tom.

  • John Lucas posted at 8:29 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I have never seen you write anything about policy or how something works. The only thing you seem to know how to do is trade personal insults with others. Do you have any idea how boring and infantile that is? Try growing up.

  • John Lucas posted at 8:22 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You probably thought Mr. Romney was going to be President too. Obamacare is here to stay and it is going to work much better than what the chain e-mails your friends send you. I will give you my prediction. Unless the Republican party makes some great changes and moves away from its right wing extremism it will not ever win another Presidential election and will end up as a rump party of the South if it does not go the way of the whigs. The Conservative reign of error brought by Ronald Reagan is over. Americans can see its spiritual and moral bankruptcy as well as the fact the economics it it professes only serve the very very wealthy. They have watched the hollowing out of the middle class brought on by 40 years of idiotic Conservative economic theory. As the great Republican President Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time". I suspect you are in the second group.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:18 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1672

    [thumbup] [beam]

  • John Lucas posted at 2:27 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Where do you get off? The vast majority of Americans are hard working citizens who are getting nailed by the Conservative policies.

    The classic example is our healthcare system. This is a system designed to make a few massively wealthy and provide a terrible return on the dollars paid by those who suffer under its alleged umbrella of coverage. It leaves a significant portion of the population with no coverage at all while forcing another significant portion to buy insurance that is not worthy of its name. It forces the rest of us to watch our neighbors suffer, die and go bankrupt needlessly. It is a system designed in h-ll. Obamacare goes a long way in fixing this broken system.

    Ed, why don't stop complaining about others for awhile and educated yourself about how France, Britain, Japan and other industrialized nations deal with this problem. They do it cheaper, more efficiently, and cover everybody. I know that it would take your precious time you can spend on looking down your nose at others but it might be an illuminating experiences. You know, actually learning something useful.

    You and your brother in arms, Mr Baxter, might want to take that critical eye you both have in judging others and turn it on yourselves. I will not hold my breath.

  • John Kindseth posted at 11:25 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 246

    Lucas: "Screeds"? You can find a more inappropriate and caustic comment than "Screeds". Check your Huffington post/Pravda news for more talking points.

  • Charles Nelson posted at 11:02 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    I predict that the ACA will be gone in 2 years. AND, it will be the Democrats who vote it into oblivion. If they allow it to stand, they will get trounced in next years midterms, and for the White House in 2016. The reason Hillary resigned her post was to distance herself, as far as possible, from the failed administration currently occupying Washington. Why do you think Bill Clinton has been critical? As soon as young people realize that they're increasingly picking up the tab for the baby boomers, they too will seek to reduce the cost of an out of control government. It's only a matter of time before they realize that their slice of "pie in the sky" is costing way too much for what they're being served.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:54 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1672

    Right wing liberals?

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:53 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1672

    Great letter John
    This probably won't post until tomorrow. Business hours are over for the LNS and its censor

  • John Lucas posted at 2:41 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The problem is that right wing lemmings could not figure out how to make a healthcare system that is cost effective and serves the needs of all Americans in spite of all the examples of how it can be done around the world. They built a system that costs twice as much as anyone else and does not even cover everyone just so a few can make a fortune out of the suffering of others.. The only thing it has going for it is that one can watch our neighbors suffer, die and go bankrupt needlessly. To think we only pay twice as much as anyone else for that privilege but who can deny the pleasure one feels when we can look down at a neighbor going thru a health crisis. Some things are priceless. Yes the American healthcare system is in line with Conservative Republican values.

  • Ed Walters posted at 2:36 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 638

    Joe: You said it better than I ever could, you state that the government can`t give anyone anything that it doesn`t first take away from someone else. This fits Obamacare to a "T". Since the middle class is paying for Obamacare, soon the middle class will be a memory. The rich will through in big money making them not so rich, the only ones to benfit will be the lower class that will have everything handed to them, health care the first. As of now the lower class waits for the first of the month to receive their welfair check, employment check, which is a joke since they never worked a day on their life and most likely, if a doctor can sign off on some kind of phony disability, theres another check in the mail. Yes Joe, the government to them is a big Santa Claus with a big bag of free goodies.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:10 am on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    The right wing liberal lemmings have yet to figure out that the government can't give anyone anything that it doesn't first take away from someone else. They don't much care WHO pays, as long as it is not them. They view our government as a big Santa Claus figure that has a huge treasure trove of goodies for FREE for the asking.


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