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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:49 am, Sat Dec 29, 2012.

The massacre of 20 6- and 7-year-old children and eight adults in Connecticut is just another in a long series of massacres. The NRA and the people who believe that semi-automatic military assault rifles should be legal are telling us that the problem is video games or the decline of civilization, and the canard that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

These massacres go back way before video games. The history of humanity in all civilizations has recorded massacres. Would you want to be in a room with an armed or an unarmed lunatic? These are just deflections from the real problem, which is that the insane have access to semi-automatic military assault weapons.

The NRA and their adherents believe that there is nothing to be done because it interferes with their right to own semi-automatic military assault weapons. They will not say it out loud, but they believe the victims of these massacres are just collateral damage.

I wish for once they were honest and upfront about this. Maybe they should build monuments to the victims of these bloodbaths. Did these 6- and 7-year-olds pay with their lives for these the right of these people to caress their semi-automatic military assault weapons? By their thinking, are not these children the same as those who gave their lives in war?

This is the logic of doing nothing. Yes, it is insane. It is way past time to act.

John Lucas


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  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:09 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Birch,
    Perhaps you would be so kind as to suggest a review of United States Fair Use Doctrine and Copyright Law. Mr. Adams apparently doesn't understand it either. [lol]

  • Mike Adams posted at 2:21 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1573

    Simon: Thank you for your response.
    My repeating of a term I found offensive was a test to see if it was the term that you found offensive, or the person using it. It appears to me that it was the term and not the person using it. The prolific poster in question is ruining these boards. His rampant plagiarism, his name calling, and overall abusive attitude is just not what the LNS needs.
    Why I would have to point out offensive comments he makes to you, while you seem to find mine with no effort puzzles me. Could it be the vast number of words that are stolen and then passed off as his own?

    And just what is the LNS policy on plagiarism? The individual in question has managed to get at least one, and probably more letters to the editor published by LNS that were entirely copied word for word down to punctuation marks, without attribution. No one else here engages in this practice, or if they do, they usually provide a link.

    I'm also pretty sure that while LNS is a private company, it has to abide by the 1st amendment as well as the many court rulings which define it in today's world. As an example, if you barred a participant from posting because you didn't like him/her, that individual might go to the ACLU, which in turn would lead to his or her return to these boards. If you barred him/her for violating the rules you have provided and participants agree to, that would be a different thing entirely.

  • Simon Birch posted at 11:06 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 171 Staff

    Mike: As I have pointed out, we are trying to stop commenters calling each other names and using any other kinds of personal attacks against each other. We are doing so exactly because of the "flame wars" and other nastiness that occurred before and during the November election. It's a work in progress and we don't expect you or anyone else will always agree with our decisions about what comments to delete.
    I'm not sure exactly what comment(s) you're referring to here. You did point out to me a comment using an offensive word. I reviewed it, agreed with you and deleted it. Then you used the same word in one of your comments, so I deleted your comment. If I've missed something else, please let me know or use the "Report" link.
    And I respectfully suggest you review the First Amendment. The First Amendment applies to government actions. The News-Sentinel is a private company. We are not infringing on anyone's First Amendment rights by deleting comments.

  • Mike Adams posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1573

    Just wondering....will simon birch delete this also?

    Nice to know that LNS only censors some posters. So this clearly makes this an issue of the 1st Amendment, trying to protect the 2nd Amendment.
    For Simon's benefit, the 1st Amendment covers freedom of speech and freedom of the press. The 2nd Amendment covers the right of American citizens to have firearms.

    simon only censors some people. Maybe simon should go back to 9-30-12 (and the ensuing days) to review how he let John and Darrell go at each other for days, with nary a "comment removed".

    Good job LNS!! You've become the Stockton Record (w/o a paper on Sunday or Monday)!!

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:11 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Just wondering... Will 87% of your 2013 posts have nothing to do with the topic as well?

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:47 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup] Mr. Schmidt is correct.[ohmy]

    Senator Dianne Feinstein’s ultimate plan has always been to have Mr. and Mrs. America turn in their guns to the government,

    see for yourself... http://youtu.be/blXkl9YVoHo

    On Thursday, Feinstein will introduced her dream bill to disarm the American people and the useful idiots will still pretend the evisceration of the 2nd ammendment is "conspiracy theory" [rolleyes]

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:35 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Todays reading assignment:"

    This from a man who kills innocent TeleTubbies (actually, only Tinky Winky, the purported "gay" TeleTubby) by slamming multiple Tinky Winkys in the hood and trunk of his "car?"

    Hmmmm...wonder what the underlying issue is there?

  • Doug Chaney posted at 7:02 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Mr. Birch, comments naively accusing someone of being abused, whether it be mentally, physically or sexually should be cause for immediate termination of this abrasive blogger and his continuous naive way of negativity and name calling. Maybe these boards would be a little more civil without these types of commentors? Or are he and Mr. K paid?

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:12 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "What has drugs got to do with the slaughter of those children"

    Seriously? http://youtu.be/8F7mixarLoo

  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:14 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Joe, "booze" is classified as a drug. No different than getting high on your opiates and amphetamines prescribed by your doctor. What has drugs got to do with the slaughter of those children when it was some gun toting fool who was the cause. Thugs have guns because they are easy to acquire from citizens like you who are burglarized and think that under the mattress is a good hiding place. Go back to your B westerns and keep your trigger finger healthy.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:40 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Steve, your grandpa was wise.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:38 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Like either of you have room to talk....

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:02 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

    Meanwhile Reuters has announced President Obama’s official dictatorship.


  • John Kindseth posted at 10:28 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 246

    Todays reading assignment:


  • Mike Adams posted at 9:16 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1573

    Sidewell Friends School has armed guards because President Obama's two daughters (as well as the children of other dignitaries) attend. Like the First Lady, the president's children also receive Secret Service protection and for good reason. Additionally, neither the President, his wife, or children can decline Secret Service protection.

    Doug: I think when the police fire their weapons 70 times, they hit their intended target only once or twice. That's a pretty poor marksmanship. Let's hope they don't open up in a crowded shopping mall. They'd be mowing down 10's of citizens while hitting their adversary once in the hand or toe or some other non-lethal point.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:41 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2683

    Well John, I don't know where you have been. Who do you think enacted the bans in SF, Chicago and the one the Supreme Court struck down in DC?

    As a lifelong Democrat, I can say with some authority that there is a small but vocal minority in our Party that would like nothing better than to destroy the 2nd Amendment in action if not literally through abolition. Sadly, these folks carry more weight than their numbers would warrant and so, every time a tragedy like Newtown comes along, these folks get to wheel out the rotting corpse of Dianne Feinstein to introduce some the same old attack on the Bill of Rights that she has has been peddling since the 1970s.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:17 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "crap" indeed... for example, http://www.wakesheep.com/Video-of-the-Week.html

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:12 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Do you know this guy? [lol]... http://youtu.be/kcFFYcEJqiA

  • John Lucas posted at 8:44 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    so true

  • John Lucas posted at 8:41 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I know of no one that want to do away with the 2nd amendment.There is a place for hunting, shooting for sport and personal protection. However like cars or alcohol it can be regulated to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and the insane. Other countries do it and are successful at it.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:46 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2683

    In general, I think there is much less consensus on the left regarding the 2nd Amendment than those who seek its repeal would like us to believe. This is particularly true, I think, in the West.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2683

    Joe, as Grampa Schmidt used to say, life is full of surprises. That is why it is best to be well armed.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:45 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Joe is that you calling the kettle black?

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:41 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Well you shouldn't plan your adoptions with Russian children. There are plenty of adoptable children here however our multiracial country doesn't always offer what the adopting parents are looking for.

  • John Lucas posted at 6:34 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Something is either logical or it is not. It is neither Conservative or Liberal

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:19 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Liberal HOGWASH.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:18 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Of course that would be no LIBERAL logical sense.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913


  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    EGADS, I hope the devil has ice skates. Steve posted something that I agree with.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:01 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Thank you Simon I agree.May I humbly submit;
    I too see ignorant as an objectional slur when calling someone "ignorant" as a person but clarifying a mistake in understanding is different and benign in the matter.

    But ignorant and ignorance is used here so frequently to demean someone personnaly I am totally surprised that Darrell would on this singular instance find objection is actually astonishing. . And Darrell of all people since he is lavish with insults or "back handed" compliments. Andy was in direct rebuttal to Chapmans comments, lacking information, but not calling Mr Chapman ignorant. Thank you

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:40 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    Yes Mr. Baxter, try to find a romantic film that shows a child-less couple lamenting the fact that because of our enlightened abortion laws in the United States, their chances of adopting are slim.

    In the meantime, continue to enjoy those westerns! The crap coming out of Hollywood these days aren't worth one penny.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:29 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    New to the world of poitics Joe? Every vote is for sale. How many do you want to buy.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:26 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Joe you're watching to many B grade westerns. Please return them to the "Red Box " at your grocery store. Then check out some nice romantic-comedy.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:20 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    It WAS a personal attack.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:12 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Yeah, after Obama BRIBED them.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:11 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    You can turn your guns in Tommy Boy, they will get mine ONE bullet at a time.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:01 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ignorance is bliss! [sleeping]


  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:26 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2683

    You know, we could go back and forth all day on who's rights need to be restricted and what sacred cows need to be slaughtered but, in the end, we are left with the simple fact that the divided Congress will not pass any bill that significantly impinges on the the conservative reading of the Second Amendment.

    In the mean time, we should not let (the anti 2nd Amendment vision of) the perfect destroy the good. Behind every slaughter, whether it be in a theater or a school, there is a demented mad man who is just far enough lost to pull the trigger. Right here at the LNS, we are subjected on a daily basis to the rantings of a man who is clearly insane and quite possible dangerous. The lack of a functioning mental health system in this country is a TRAGEDY, both for the deeply sick people that go untreated and the innocent victims that end up on the receiving end of their madness.

    While changes to the 2nd Amendment are undesirable to most Americans and unattainable for the minority that seeks them, mental health care reform is an issue without partisan identity that actually could and should be achieved.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:15 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Just as I suspected you don't even know what a personal attack is.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:14 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Congress passed obamacare

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:13 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    The 2nd amendment was needed because we didn't have much of an army and people were pretty self sufficient in providing their own food. Of course there was that radical bunch we stole the country from. They weren't a very happy bunch.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:05 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    There is sanity and there is insanity.

    Sanity is to say yes indeed we have a problem as evidenced by news reports of shootings and can we do something to allieviate the problem.

    Insanity is to say OMG they are talking about guns that means THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY ALL OF OUR GUNS!!!

    The 2nd amendment is alive and well and not going anywhere. There are too many responsible gun owners. We do have a problem with types of guns, gun aquisition and mentalhealth isues. But you can't begin to talk about anything as long as there remains the knee reflex reaction to discussions about the problems without the gun heralds yellingTHEY ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY ALL OF OUR GUNS!!!

    Like I say there are responsible gun owners and there are irresponsible gun handelers. I for one need to separate the two and discuss the problem of mental health. This seems to be at the heart of the issue. There are those that are wack jobs that do the sort of mass shootings we are currently recovering from. They seem to have problems with civil society. They can't believe that people they grew up around can't see the dangers thatcan lurk all around. They seem to say I will show you how bad it can be while you play or other wise feel safe.

    However in our reduce government get rid of taxes we are diluting our ability to attack and resarch the problem more indepth. If we were able to identify these incividuals earlier and make meaningful interventions we might go along ways to reducing these terrible incidents. If not then we get left with only the options for tighter gun controls or do nothing at all. Some controls may be be needed no matter what however no one is going to take away ALL guns or the 2nd amendment. Thats just bent thinking. But if gun "radicals" keep saying they need guns against the government then they diminish their sincerity for responsible gun ownership.

    That we need arms equivalent to what criminals have is ludicris in circular logic. What you have is what criminals get. So it could be a never ending arms race. If someone comes to your door with a rifle and you have a handgun you still have the whos quicker on the trigger and has the better aim. The results will still favor the skill (or in most cases luck) over the weapon.

    BTW Ted, congratulations on seeing your toes. an achievment that gets rarer as you age.

  • Simon Birch posted at 3:59 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 171 Staff

    Darrell: I wrestled with this comment, and actually denied it at one point but changed my mind. Here's the problem from my point of view: I agree that "Let me help you fix your ignorance" is a personal attack, and I wish the commenter had not started with that statement. But I hope you'd agree that the rest of the lengthy comment is a reasonable argument from the commenter's point of view, even though I'm sure you disagree with it. I suppose that if our goal is to wean commenters off personal attacks of any kind regardless of the overall context of the comment — or question — then I should be less tolerant of indiscretions. In regard to your reasonable question here, should I delete your comment because of this personal attack: "Why is Mr.Crowder a bully? Im not sure. Maybe he was abused as a child." I'm looking forward to your reply.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 3:52 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Chapman, armed citizens usually only shoot once or twice, unlike law enforcement, who are known to pepper their victims with up to 70 bullet holes. Where's the justice in this kind of slaughter?

  • John Lucas posted at 3:47 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Obama did not shove Obamacare down on Americans. Americans through their representatives made the law and the President signed the bill. How it was done is all laid out in the Constitution of the United States of America. You might read it some time. In the same way there is going to realistic regulations on weapons to keep them out of the hands of criminals and the insane a la Australia, Canada and other western democracies. Normal people will still be able to have guns for personal protection, sport shooting, hunting etc. As to your veiled threat I doubt that means much in the scheme of things.

  • John Lucas posted at 3:37 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The reason is simple. Mr Chapman made a statement that made no logical sense. Mr Crowder took each assertion and logically explained why it was false.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:20 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    My cousin and his wife AND 4 year old daughter were murdered by a drunk driver (as were/are tens of thousands of others). Booze is still being sold, cars are still on the road. Guns are not the problem despite what liberal gun haters say. Thomas Jefferson said, " the beauty of the 2nd Amendment is it won't be needed until they try to take it". Our founding fathers thought this Amendment was so important, it was the 2nd one they penned. Obama may have shoved Obamacare on Americans, for now, but if he tries to repeal or even amend the 2nd Amendment, he will find out just how resolved MILLIONS of respectable American gun owners, including me, are.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:18 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    Mr Crowder stated... Let me help you fix your ignorance...

    Sounds like a personal attack. Why is LNS not consistent and removing his post. Why is Mr.Crowder a bully? Im not sure. Maybe he was abused as a child.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:09 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    carefiul Ted... offering common sense may shock some that do not have any.. Great post[thumbup]

  • John Lucas posted at 2:43 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Look at what Australia did after their 1996 massacre. People can still have guns for personal protection, sport shooting, hunting etc. They put a system in that makes it harder for the crazy to get hold of a weapon. BTW, they have not had a massacre since.

  • John Lucas posted at 2:33 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Nancy Lanza shared your beliefs and feeling about guns. It only cost her life, the life of her son, 6 school teachers, and 20 innocent 6 and 7 year olds. Andy is right that you refuse to acknowledge that in other first world countries with strict controls, death from gun violence is only a tiny fraction of what we see in America. Most of these countries allow guns for personal protection, hunting etc

  • Robert Chapman posted at 1:17 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    Once a weapon is used in an intentional criminal act, the person using that weapon becomes a CRIMINAL, whether they are mentally ill, or p iss ed off at their cheating spouse. Accidents are accidents, just like automobile accidents. Firearms are saving American lives every day. Here is some interesting statistics the liberal gun haters will never let you know.
    Gun Owners of America and ZeroHedge.com for these statistics):
    Based on a 2000 study, Americans use guns to defend themselves from crime and violence 989,883 times annually. Banning guns would leave about 1,000,000 Americans defenseless from criminals who have no problem acquiring guns illegally.
    A nationwide survey of almost 5,000 households found that over a five-year period 3.5 percent of households had a member who used a gun to protect themselves, their family, or their property. This also adds up to about the same 1,000,000 incidents annually.
    The Clinton Justice Department identified 1.5 million cases per year of citizens using guns to defend themselves.
    Another survey found that Americans use guns to frighten intruders away from a home break-in about 500,000 times annually.
    Armed citizens shoot criminals more than twice as often as police each year (1,527 to 606).
    Each year about 200,000 women use a gun to defend themselves from a sexual crime or abuse.
    The Carter Justice Department found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32 percent were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3 percent of the attempted rapes were actually successful.
    Newer studies all point towards a figure of 2.5 million — that’s the new number for how many times Americans defend themselves from violent criminals each year. 2.5 million. Guns save lives.
    Now that we’ve polled the citizens, how about we see what the felons have to say:
    A survey of male felons in 11 State prisons across the USA found that 34 percent had been scared off, wounded or captured by an armed victim of their crime.
    40 percent of felons made a decision not to commit a crime because they feared the potential victim had a gun.
    69 percent of felons knew other fellow criminals who had been scared off or captured by an armed victim.
    57 percent of felons polled agreed that “criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.”
    Statistical comparisons with other countries show that burglars in the United States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign counterparts who live in countries where fewer civilians own firearms.
    These facts (and many more too voluminous to show here) prove that guns — in the right hands — defend citizens, families and children. In short, guns save lives.
    By the way… it’s important to note that Barack Obama wants to disarm schools… create “gun free zones.” Yet he spends $60,000 per year to send his precious daughters to exclusive Sidwell Friends School — which has? Drumroll please… ARMED guards. An armed security force of nine to be precise.
    And David Gregory of NBC News sends his child there too. Armed guards are necessary for their children. But not yours.
    And Michael Moore has armed bodyguards. While he condemns guns.

  • Ted Lauchland posted at 12:54 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 261

    Looking past the end of my toes tells me more about the world than what my vision is limited to. History gives depth as to what the future will be.

    There is something going around the internet right now that proves the short sightedness of disarming America. This includes what ever caliber because it is attacked one at a time until we are left with only a toothpick to defend ourselves.

    Japan did not attack the mainland because the US was armed. This day and age means a 300 million man army.
    My friend next door would be dead right now if he and his buddies had fought against the machine gun equipped Germans after his plane had been shot down. Germany wiped out the Jews in an unresisted, unarmed swoop. Their own citizens
    .Our involvement in violent other countries is the sword to prevent a failure of our shield as a last resort
    Our Vietnam loss was because of an individual armed resistance of the Viet Cong.
    Our fought for declared independence of our original fight with England was successful because of them onry independant hide behind tree individuals with guns.
    How many other massacres of a larger scale in this past century was done against disarmed groups that someone else didn't like?
    So where is our strength as a nation? What keeps us alive? What gives us reason to join individuals together at times and fight that foe. That foe currently is the right to bear arms attacks taken away by civility promises. Our own government? Where is this leading? - Look at history - That is your answer.

    Our people are strong because of independant abilities to lead and defend. Compassions come from strength so long as it does not undermine it. Isolation has it's Roman Empire effect but as proven in that - nievity will implode.

    The world laughs at Hollywood and enjoys it's imagination but reality will overwhelm when it arrives. Wolves kill sheep. How real is that?

  • Andy Crowder posted at 12:15 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    It's not "criminals" who are the cause of most gun deaths in America, but the mentally ill, accidents, crimes of passion, etc. You refuse to acknowledge that in other first world countries with strict controls, death from gun violence is only a tiny fraction of what we see in America.

  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:57 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    All firearms are inamimate objects. It takes someone to pick it up, aim it and pull the trigger to become a weapon. Just like you can't keep drunks from driving and killing people, you can't keep sociopaths from picking up a firearm and killing people. If feeble brained liberals think that outlawing guns, ANY guns are going to keep them out of the hands of criminals they are as ignorant as they appear to be. Mexico has a total gun ban, works well there, eh? Wonder of Obama will forego his armed security for him and his family?

  • Jien Kaur posted at 11:56 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 384

    Commentor Mr. Robert Jacobs said: "How are we going to get rid of rocks John?"

    Correct. I have read that "rocks" were the favored method of mass murder of the Hebrew Christian god and are still in favor among followers of Mohammed for executions. And as commentor Mr. Andy mentioned, water was the next favored method of mass murder of the Hebrew god.

    The peoples of the world cannot eliminate "natural" weapons availability but peoples can still save many lives by the restriction of high powered automatic weapons.

    How many peoples here have ever witnessed a mass execution with automatic weapons firing fast and with bodies and body parts flying, blood splashing and finally the residue of humanity falling into a ditch that becomes a mass grave?

    Americans are very sheltered to believe that this weapon is good for humans.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:49 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Thank you John
    Even Mr Chapman tried to straighten this one out earlier but it apparently got missed by Andrew

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:47 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    [thumbup] [thumbup] [smile]

    Outstanding Andy. Great post

  • John Lucas posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:56 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Let me help you fix your ignorance.

    Pencils are designed for writing. Often people who use them make mistakes, but so far, no mass deaths by pencil.

    More of Earth is covered with water that dry land. We need it to survive, but sailors, boaters, swimmers, and small children drown. This is why we have strict laws which require railings on ships, lifeguards, and mandatory fences around pools. Except in the case of the Hebrew god, water is not generally used as a weapon of mass murder.

    People fall from heights with some consequence. Again, we have railings and warning signs mandated by law in some situations. So far, no one has gathered up 20 children and flung them off the roof of a school in a rage.

    Cars do not make people drive drunk. A drunk brain causes someone to think they can drive while drunk. We have strict laws controlling alcohol and automobiles, although neither were intended as weapons. If you want to reduce auto deaths, let's invest in mass transit.

    Spoons are useful tools. They are not required for obesity. I can't recall a situation where a psychopath beat a classroom of children to death with a spoon. Although if it makes you feel safer, LUSD schools use plastic sporks.

    Matches as well are useful tools. Matches can be used to start dangerous fires. Kids get suspended for having matches at school. Schools have fire drills, sprinkler systems, etc. It would be hard for someone to burn down a school with all the kids in it.

    Socialism? Nope. Not designed to make everyone rich. It's the capitalist nuts who make money from guns that don't care how many kids are gunned down during story time.

  • John Lucas posted at 9:29 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Guns may not kill people but it sure makes the job easier.

  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:14 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If guns kill people then: pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, spoons make people fat, matches result in arson, water drowns kids, heights make people fall, and socialism makes everybody rich.

  • John Lucas posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    No. Look what Australia did after a their last mass shooting in 1996. People can still have guns but they have not had a mass shooting since. Canada has strict gun laws but people still have guns. Your idea that guns are the same as hammers, bats and rocks is not a very good one. Guns are the problem.

  • Robert Jacobs posted at 8:20 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Robert Jacobs Posts: 298

    John Lucas, So when we get rid of all guns or limit them, then we will have to get rid or limit the use of all knives and then hammers, bats, etc....

    How are we going to get rid of rocks John?

  • John Lucas posted at 8:03 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    From wikipedia:

    A large quantity of unused ammunition was recovered from the school along with three semi-automatic firearms found with Adam Lanza: a .223-caliber Bushmaster XM-15 rifle,[62] a 10mm Glock 20 SF handgun [5][63] and a 9mm SIG Sauer handgun.[4][64] A shotgun was found in the car Lanza had driven to the school.[5] At home, Lanza had access to three more firearms: a .45 Henry repeating rifle, a .30 Enfield rifle, and a .22 Marlin rifle.[13][65][66] Lanza used the .22 Marlin rifle to kill his mother, but did not take that weapon to the school.[67] The weapons were legally owned by Lanza's mother, who was a gun enthusiast.[68][69] Police said Lanza used the Bushmaster rifle against most of the victims. According to the state's chief medical examiner, H. Wayne Carver, many of the victims were shot multiple times with the same "long weapon"—the Bushmaster rifle.[70][71][6] Under Connecticut law,[72] the 20-year-old Lanza was old enough to carry a long gun,[73] but too young to legally own or carry handguns.[74]

    The initial reports were wrong. Get on Google. You can find the facts in other places too especially the Medical Examiners's report

  • John Lucas posted at 7:40 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    They have found criminals with grenade launchers, grenades and machine guns. Should these be legal also?

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:07 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I think these weapons should be illegal. However, citizens that wish to defend themselves against these criminals that have them should have them as well until the criminals that have them no longer do.


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