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Posted: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:00 am

The decline of the Republican Party can be directly tied to Newt Gingrich and a memo he wrote to fellow Republicans. It was basically a memo on how to demonize your opponents, and has become part of the Republican SOP.

These words used as personal attacks are only part of the story. The lesser parts of the right-wing noise machine makes up out-and-out lies about any given subject, and the drumbeat begins. Talking heads with no integrity such as Rush Limbaugh take up the lies and then the Republican propaganda channel Fox News takes up the chorus. Finally the mainstream media reports on the controversy. Bill Clinton was accused of drug smuggling, killing Vince Foster, being a serial rapist, etc. The best example is the swiftboating of John Kerry. George Bush had one of his supporters put up $500,000 to publish a book of out and out lies about John Kerry’s military record to cover up the fact that he used political pull to get out of serving in Vietnam and sending someone else in his place.

They started with President Obama even before he was elected the first time. Everything is blown way out of proportion, and no ugly lie is beneath the Republicans to say. Perhaps the worst is saying he did not care about those who lost their lives in Benghazi. The Republicans cannot understand why the president is still popular and the scandals are not killing him.

Lincoln said, “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” Thirty years of crying wolf has hurt the value of the Republican voice. When over a long period of time you are caught in one lie after another, people just stop believing you. Americans recognize a lack of integrity when they see it.

John Lucas

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83 comments:

  • robert maurer posted at 9:11 am on Wed, Jul 3, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    Andrea Mitchell interviewed Dianne Feinstein on the NSA spying debacle and was caught lying when Feinstein was shown a clip of John Boehner on that subject. www.youtube.com/watch?v=koMGiNLr9M

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:01 am on Wed, Jul 3, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Liberal HOGWASH.
    Yet another liberal lie? How about James Clapper, when asked if the NSA was spying on Americans. "No, sir" was his answer. Apparently Obama's spies didn't count on Mr. Snowden proving they were, in fact, illegally spying on millions of American citizens. Of course the liberals will claim he didn't LIE, he simply misspoke. Swallow the KoolAid, it will keep you in line.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:12 pm on Tue, Jul 2, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    [thumbup]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Jul 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Joanne: millions of otherwise directionless individuals have fallen under the spells of right wing and conspiracy hucksters. If you listen or read their comments, almost all of them you can find originated with the likes of hannity and actually true to life liberal, rush limbaugh. Yes, he is a liberal. He is one bright one though who has managed to collect and repackage information in a manner that clueless conservatives easily swallow. And because of that, he is very rich man. Read their posts. Listen to their calls to right wing showmen. They pretty much say the same things over and over that they heard on the EIB network or what ever low life radio network airs hannity. You could take a comment or statement made by any of the conservative contributors here (or in 1 case, just plagiarize the H out of it) and attach some other conservative contributors name to it and you couldn't tell the difference. Here's a short list of "talking points" that reoccur:
    "I didn't have sex with that woman, Ms ....."
    President Obama was born in Kenya
    Bill and Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed.

    I did hear one pathetic listener to limbaugh today declare that President Obama was busy snorting cocaine while the Benghazi attacks were in progress. What makes people sink so low? My experience with conservatives has taught me they live only by sound bites. It is so ingrained in there persona, they don't know why or don't know the origin of the things they say. They just say them and fellow conservatives all nod their heads or laugh at their jokes. It's really pathetic.

    As for alex jones and the conspiracy theorists, well to be diplomatic, let me say that they have something wrong with them. Why otherwise intelligent individuals (much brighter that their republican cousins) will believe only the most unlikely explainations, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, shows (and from what I have read in papers, journals, etc. seem to all agree) a definite break from reality. Creeps like alex jones merely exploit this for financial gain, as does the rest of the conspiracy theory industry. If you carefully check sources you find examples of "reporters" writing "mainstream" periodicals, newspapers, and on the web to assign a legitamacy to their claims, you will find that the "Harvard Daily Times" is really like one person who copies segments from other real sources, moves the sentences around and viola.....a source in the "mainstream media" is reporting.......blah......blah. Fortunately you, and a couple others here don't fall for the ploy, but I'm sure there are many, many, probably most do fall for it.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:43 pm on Tue, Jul 2, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Bobbin, if you think the House has a exclusive on obstructionism, ask Harry Reid how many bills come from the House and sit in the Senate "in" basket and are never even read. The Democratic Senate is the epitome of obstructionism. I guess only conservatives lie and liberals "misspeak"?If you want more liberal lies, I will be happy to oblige.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:36 am on Tue, Jul 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Even so-called "intelligent" individuals do not know the difference between "lies" and "unfulfilled (or unfulfillable) promises."

    With the current obstruction that is rampant in Congress by self-serving individuals like Rand Paul, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, etc., even the most truthful couldn't get an agenda through, let alone (SPEAKING OF LIES) "transform America."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:30 am on Tue, Jul 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Why do you care, Andrew?

    You claim no left or right affiliation - only complete devotion to the God, Alex Jones and the verity of HIS beliefs.

    What makes you think that man is telling YOU the truth. He's a huckster for a dollar. That's all, nothing more. And sad to think you suck it all in without question, because it is evident you do no research.

    So sad.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:52 am on Tue, Jul 2, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Look, Mr. Lucas requested (actually he pretty much demanded) actual lies perpetrated by actual liberals with the hope that we would all hear crickets in the background. Well, it really didn't take too much digging into our collective memories to come up with just a few. There are many more to be sure.

    The lies were delivered - if you want to debate these people's veracity, then by all means have at it. I just know that at least as far as my examples are concerned, I'm argued out.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:36 pm on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2692

    [sleeping]... http://youtu.be/eEIM-3GNGag

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:29 pm on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2692

    No where else is the false left/right political paradigm more evident than here.

    "Show me the left wing liar and be specific about what lie he told."ROFLMAO[lol]

    Seriously?

    Alright Mr. Lucas, here are 10 flagrant examples where President Pinnocchio has not told the truth.
    http://www.infowars.com/obama-you-know-i-tell-the-truth/

    Tell the truth? Obama doesn’t know the meaning of the word. [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:28 pm on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    A+ for satire, cynicism & naivete.

    Why is it that certain individuals don't do any research before writing what I'm sure they believe to be very clever statements.

    Even FOX News has reported on the number of innocent people who are still being held - and with a BUSH administration official talking!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/19/ex-bush-official-guantanamo-bay-innocent/

    or maybe you prefer Wikileaks:

    http://www.nineoclock.ro/us-knew-150-guantanamo-bay-prisoners-were-innocent/

    Either way, no one wants to be the guy who lets another Willie Horton out, whether or not they are harmless or innocent.

    As far as campaign promises - you must be joking. How many pieces of Obama legislation have made it through the House of Representatives during the past 3 years? Republicans are so busy tripping over themselves to obstruct everything and anything, they couldn't even get a farm bill out the door - historically one of the easiest pieces of legislation.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:02 pm on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Yes let's be honest wasn't it Bush and Vader who opened Gitmmo. You would use a facility created and supported by those on the right to hamstring Obama and than ask for us to be honest. Perhaps a look in the mirror.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:36 pm on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    C’mon now folks, let’s be honest. Obama “promised” certain things as a candidate. This would lead most of us to believe he meant to keep those promises. Obstacles? He knew or should have known ALL about any such obstructions that would have been before him. Indeed, he’s had the White House and the Senate - and now (obviously) the Supreme Court. Relying upon nothing more than excuses for not coming through with his promises simply shouldn’t grant him all these passes. Clearly there are far too many probably innocent Muslim radicals languishing at Guantanamo Bay who should have already been found to be innocent and permitted to return to their equally as innocent families back in the Middle East.

    At the very least, just by the stroke of his pen on an Executive Order he has the power to move them to the United States. Wasn’t there a facility all primed and ready for their arrival?

    Sorry - I simply don’t buy it. If this were George W. Bush (upon whom President Barack H. Obama has continued to blame since even before day one, by the way), you folks would have been all over him for not coming through with his promises - regardless of roadblocks or “obstacles.”

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:53 pm on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Jerome you seem to be channeling Hillary pretty well today I hope your wrong I really would love to see slick willy lounging around the White House I'm thinking silk smoking jacket.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:00 pm on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Why is it that Republicans always hold up the failure to close Guantanamo Bay as a "lie" without considering the myriad obstacles that the administration has encountered, without considering the obstruction coming from Capitol Hill on both sides of the aisle (do YOU want suspected terrorists relocated to your neck of the woods?). Congress (both D's and R's) refused to allow these men to be tried in federal court or even brought into the US for military trials.

    The Bush Administration had a grand old time collecting this huge number of suspected terrorists, but now that many have been determined to be no threat, not one person or agency will step up and allow them to be released to their home countries for fear they will be radicalized or return to terrorist activities.

    Try thinking about some of the real hard questions involved before making blanket accusations about the so-called "lie" of closing Guantanamo.


    And it's funny how people think they have the ability to speculate about others' marital relationships when they themselves have a poor record in that department.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:35 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    By the way, I don't think Hillary Clinton was at all upset with Bill because of his sexual escapades. Not at all. What infuriated her was the possible risk he was taking with her political career. There is nothing she wants more than to be the first female President. In fact, I'm sure she blames him directly for her not winning in 2008.

    Now that it appears that she might have a shot at it in 2016, she's not going to take any chances with this guy. If she wins (and that's a big IF), I won't be surprised if he isn't jettisoned from her life once she gets the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:27 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Lies from the left -

    Let’s see now - since I do like history, let’s start there, shall we?

    “I never had sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky, not one time” (or words to that effect). Of course neither Clinton nor Lewinski ever admitted to engaging in sexual intercourse, there’s no doubt that oral sex must still be “sex” by definition (or why else call it “oral ‘sex’?”). Naturally, I’m sure that once Mrs. Clinton learned of his little relationship with this intern, Bill vehemently relied upon a definition that no intelligent or mature person would ever accept. Now a little follow-up to that:

    “It’s a vast right-wing conspiracy” (or words to that effect). This put forth by then First Lady Hillary Clinton in defense of her poor, pathetic and wrongly maligned husband as it relates to lie No. 1 above. Now, if in fact she truly believed this to be true, then once she understood it to be false (through the discovery of the now infamous stained blue dress), she should have corrected her statement - which she did not (at least to my knowledge). By commission or subsequent omission, it was a lie.

    Both of these lies were intended to mislead the American people, the one by President William Jefferson Clinton as he waggled that finger at all of us as if he were our middle school principal and we his students. Hillary, clearly aware of her husband’s previous peccadilloes, should have just kept her mouth shut until the facts were revealed. Obviously, neither one of them ever believed in their nefarious little minds that the little blue-dressed tart would have the mind-set to save such precious Presidential DNA now preserved for posterity. How dare she, huh?

    Look, by definition we have plenty of politicians who lie for a living. Many of President Obama’s pre-election promises that were subsequently forgotten could be considered lies. Whatever it took to become president, he was going to put it out there. For example, the Reverend Wright’s offensive sermons – are we truly to accept that during 20 years sitting in that church, Barack Hussein Obama never once heard these tirades? For those who do accept that as the truth, there are plenty of bridges leading to nowhere on sale for a song.

    What about his promise to close Guantánamo? His words on June 24, 2007: “’We're going to close Guantanamo. And we’re going to restore habeas corpus,’ Obama says. ‘We're going to lead by example—not just by word but by deed. That's our vision for the future.’” (http://tinyurl.com/bhbxwy3)

    Not only is Gitmo still open, “. . .but the office responsible for closing the prison has itself been closed.” (ibid.)

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:26 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    HOGWASH...By the way, you do know that the author of Unfit for Command voted for Humphrey and Al Gore, don't you? He wasn't a fan of GWB but decided people were entitled to know the truth about Kerry. Kerry didn't sue because he knew he would have to expose the rest of his military records and nothing in the book was falsified. He could never win, period.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    OBAMA - When selling Obamacare, remember his BS sob story about how his mother died as a result of not having any insurance? Pure BS. She was insured through her employer like everyone else and only paid co-pays, like everyone else.
    OBAMA - transparency. Remember his promise to show the Obamacare debates on C-Span? All done in secret behind closed doors.
    Obama - shovel ready jobs. Promised the stimulus money was going to all be spent on "shovel ready jobs". Only 6% of the stimulus money was spent on anything remotely close to a "shovel ready" job.
    Obama -Lobbyists . "We have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. … I don’t take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they won’t find a job in my White House.” At least a dozen lobbyist are currently employed at the WH.
    OBAMA and RICE - Benghazi catastrophe was caused by an anti muslim youtube video. Both knew it was a blatant lie when they spread this BS.
    Just a few lies from a few liberals, lots more documented lies and liars in liberal camp, if you like I will share them with you.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 11:04 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Yes I know the site is bias, you have to follow the referenced articles for a less bias look.

    http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:01 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2692

    Good grief! The fact that our President is a war criminal isn't about ME.

    Obama is unquestionably impeachable. In fact, this has been the case since day 3 of his presidency, when he ordered a drone attack on Pakistan (a country with which we are not at war) that killed 28 people, several of which were reportedly children. But instead of being removed from office he was awarded the 2009 Nobel Prize for Peace.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:59 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Didn't Obama promise a "transparent" administration? Has it been transparent? Not when he tells congress to pass the Health care act but not to read it.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:52 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    Off topic, I know: The actual wagon that was used in "Gone with the Wind" sits with an antique fire engine on East Fremont St.(Stockton) approximately 6 miles East of Hwy. 99 at a fresh produce stand that has about the best sweet corn I've ever eaten. The vehicles are only there during the summer months and have placards with their histories.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:24 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    If one is a public figure he has to prove malice which is a very high bar. Kerry could win the lawsuit easily based on the facts but proving malice is difficult and he decided it was not worth it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:21 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Show me the left wing liar and be specific about what lie he told.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:34 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    As a matter of fact, I do have another question. Why doesn't Kerry sue John O'Neill, principal author of Unfit for Command, and the other Swift Boat Veterans for Truth for defamation? Why would all these "liars for Bush," as Kerry loyalists and many journalists have persistently charged, have made themselves vulnerable to huge damage to their careers and incomes if Kerry were to win such a suit? Both sides would have to be cross-examined in depositions under oath. The obvious answer is that Mr. Kerry knew if this happened, he would be damaging his own credibility even more so than the book. John O'Neill has repeatedly challenged Kerry, saying, "Sue me!" Kerry was very selective in what he published from his military career and, more importantly, what he wouldn't release.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:15 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2742

    John Lucas stated:


    Maybe, but some of us are just tired of the right wings lies and distortions. If you are going to solve problems we must get real first.

    -John,

    When are you going to acknowledge the left wing advances lies and distortions ALSO?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:15 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "There is absolutely NO evidence that Bush had anyone finance any book. The men who served with, and under Kerry, couldn't wait to expose him for the phony he was."

    So, Mr. Chapman, John Kerry has been a US Senator since 1985 and in the intervening years up until 2004, no one who knew him in Vietnam came forward to claim that his service was dishonorable and that his record in the Navy was false?

    Better get out that copy of Gone With the Wind - Scarlett has a whole 'nother bunch of corn pone to serve up for you.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:06 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mostly purple and lavender. Somewhat like mushy overcooked eggplants and allergy inducing herbs of the same name.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:02 am on Mon, Jul 1, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    DA wrote: "President Pinnocchio being a war criminal has nothing to do with myself or Bill Ayers."

    I like the way you think, Andrew. First you present evidence that the president is a war criminal, then you add a link to a video in which Bill Ayers AGREES that the president (along with every other president in history) is a war criminal, THEN you deny all responsibility for pointing out YOUR claim that he is a war criminal.

    Wonder how that tactic works in your day to day sales dealings. Are all of your customers as stupid as you think WE are?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:45 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2692

    President Pinnocchio being a war criminal has nothing to do with myself or Bill Ayers.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:27 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    The freshness and vitality of your ideas are so flavorful and colorful. [smile]

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 7:06 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 228

    This is called the "Marketplace of Ideas". It is much like the produce market. Some is fresh and inviting some is stale and beginning to rot. Luckily, most of us do not have to shop here.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:21 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:16 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Turns out I was wrong.He started out by giving $100,000 and when it took off he gave 4.3 million more.

    His name was Bob Perry

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/04/15/farewell_to_bob_perry_the_man_who_brought_you_the_swift_boat_vets.html

    Any other questions?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:40 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Oh, I get it, the "man" recently died and nobody knew who he was? And you keep harping about how true and factual your posts are compared to conservatives. Give us a name of this supposed $500K donor, willing to finance a half a million dollars soley to discredit Kerry. What was the Swifties "vested" interest in smearing Kerry? More liberal conspiracy theories, at best.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:29 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    The man who financed that book just recently died. He was one of the Republican party biggest donors. He was a huge supporter of George W Bush and you can bet he would not have done so without Karl Rove's say so. Are you really so stupid to think they would leave a trail? The swifties who (none of them served on the same boat) hated Kerry's politics. They had a vested interest in destroying Kerry and were willing to lie and distort the truth to accomplish their goal. They are truly representative of what in means to be a Republican today. They have no shame.

    You said:

    There were military people I didn't care for, some I even despised but none that I would ever go public with accusing them of anything.

    Really? I do not buy that for a moment.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:52 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    "The best example is the swiftboating of John Kerry. George Bush had one of his supporters put up $500,000 to publish a book of out and out lies about John Kerry".
    There is absolutely NO evidence that Bush had anyone finance any book. The men who served with, and under Kerry, couldn't wait to expose him for the phony he was. There were military people I didn't care for, some I even despised but none that I would ever go public with accusing them of anything. The Swifties must have had a real hatred for Kerry to do what they did.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:27 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    All true Conservatives left the Republican Party long ago. Most people(Rush, Hannity and those who share their ideology) are reactionaries. One cannot belong or vote for anyone in the Republican Party today and maintain one has a shred of integrity. It is simply not possible.
    We are not talking about politics we are talking about integrity. There are some bad apples in the Democratic Party but by and large they are honorable. You may not like what Al Franken believes in but he is honest. The Republican Party has driven all the honest people out because they have so many litmus tests that no one can possibly believe all of it. They have driven many decent a good people from their ranks.
    The idea that when it comes to integrity that both parties are the same is a false equivalency. To be a Republican in this day and age one has to give up ones's honor.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 1:49 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    John, are you implying that conservatives are admitting to being liars? Why would they do that? That makes absolutele no sense at all if they are trying to garner votes from citizens.It is only my opinion based on the history of both parties lying,deceiving, and secretly backstabbing citizens, but that is why most informed people, not the republican party, say that both sides lie for their own advantage.[huh]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:11 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Kevin said:

    Yes, let's get real. BOTH sides are EQUALLY guilty of lies and distortions.

    Sorry this is what the Republican Party says in defense of their lies and distortions but it is simply not the case

     
  • robert maurer posted at 12:49 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    Exactly, Kevin. But, according to John, that is being lazy and taking the easy way out. John seems to think that nobody pays attention, but most could spend a whole day here providing proof of the lies on the left side, AND the right side,while both sides are guilty as heck, but who wants to waste their time posting a novel that is common knowledge from ALL news sources? Not me![thumbup]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:18 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Yes, let's get real. BOTH sides are EQUALLY guilty of lies and distortions. Just because you like one side of the fight doesn't make them any less guilty of putting their own interests ahead of working FOR America.

    Let's do a little experiment. IF a Republican President had had the same "scandals" as Obama has recently, what do you think your reaction would be? Support the actions or call for immediate action against?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:07 pm on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I can see where you would say that. It is convenient when your opinions do not have to be backed up by facts or reality.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:07 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    And Bill Ayers believes that EVERY president should/could be tried for war crimes, Andrew. That's the part you left out.

    That is why Bill Ayers was part of the Weather Underground. That is their purpose - to oppose the policies of the US government.

    Duh! And YOU want us to believe that Bill Ayers is some type of new age revolutionary all of a sudden?

    I really think this has to be one of the most ridiculous "proofs" that you have ever attempted to produce.

    What is it with you people? First you accuse Obama of being supported by domestic terrorists, then you claim even THEY think he's a criminal.

    You can't have it both ways, DA. [sleeping]

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 228

    Marty has designated this as an "opinion" page. Hence a variety of beliefs and opinions. Had he designated it as a "fact" page, he would have no qualified contributors.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:37 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Thank you

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:36 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Maybe, but some of us are just tired of the right wings lies and distortions. If you are going to solve problems we must get real first.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2692

    For heavens sake delusional Obama supporters, even BILL AYERS now says President Pinnocchio is gulty of war crimes!
    [sleeping]
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/18/bill_ayers_obama_should_be_put_on_trial_for_war_crimes.html

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:07 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I noticed you called them space cadets and not liars. You did this because you know I would ask you to get specific and you would not be able to. If you want me to get specific about the ones I mentioned I would be happy to oblige. That is the difference between the two sides and is also the difference between you and I.

     
  • Brenda Johnson posted at 8:28 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    bjohnson156 Posts: 6

    Great letter John [thumbup]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:19 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Ya know, John, if your letter would have addressed the fact that ALL politicians are liars, I wouldn't have a problem. But when you infer that only REPUBLICANS are liars, it really shows your thoughts are not factiually grounded. I am always amused that the left finds FOX and a couple conservative talk shows a threat when the right has MSNBC, CNN, CURRENT, ABC, NBC, CBS and the majority of the print media. Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Debbie Wasserman Shultz to name a few left wing space cadets. I even heard that someone is hiring the bona fide nitwit Keith Olberman. Wonder why the left is so afraid of the paltry right wing outlets? Maybe because the keep exposing the truth that the Democratic left wing buries? Hey John, where is the TRANSPARENCY your boy promised?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:14 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Sadly it looks like the political leaders are accomplishing just what they intend to. They call each other "friends" and "esteemed colleagues" but treat them like enemies. And those that follow the march of madness of those political leaders act just like them. More interested in fighting and attacking than discussing and improving the social environment of this country.

    We, as a nation, are becoming more and more a house divided. And this kind of constant "If you're not with us, you're against us" animosity the political leaders on both sides are encouraging in their followers will lead to more extreme factions doing horrible things. Sadly, then the cycle will deepen.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:44 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Same applies to you. I notice you did not have any counter argument except denying what is blatantly obvious to the most causal observer or bring up any left wing "nuts". Typical. I can take any of the names I mentioned and come with paragraphs of their lies and distortions. Where are your examples?

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 7:12 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 228

    That you say its so does not make it so.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:33 am on Sun, Jun 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    That is pure nonsense. The main difference between the left and the right is that the right has no regard for facts or science. They will say anything, attack anyone without regard for reality if it advances their political agenda. There are no equivalents for Newt Gingrich on the left side. There are no Louie Goumerts, Michelle Bachman's, Anne Coulters, Rush Limbaughs, Sean Hannitys, Michelle Malkins etc. These people operate without a shred of integrity. They have no regard for facts. There is no Fox News on the left side which is a pure propaganda machine dedicated to winning the political battles without regard for facts and will do or say anything to advance their political agenda.

    This idea that both sides do it is a false equivalency. It is simply not true. You cannot name a person on the left side whose integrity is the same as any of the clowns that I have mentioned.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:02 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    The discussion was about Republican liars. Why do you always try to change the subject? Name a Republican leader who is not a liar. You cannot for the things they believe in are not based in reality.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 9:04 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 228

    One man's right wing nut job is another's leftist, pinko wakko.

    I don't see much difference between either in your seamless smearing other than you have time for this stuff.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:23 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Funny stuff, typical liberal, don't address the topic, lie, deflect and attack. With liberals like you, easy to see why Obama the pretender got elected. Do me a favor and name a couple of good things Obama has done for America that only have been accomplished because he was president.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:38 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Anytime, the problem is, of course, is that you are so brainwashed it has been a long time since you have been able to tell a lie from the truth. Your thing is personal attacks, parading your prejudices and general meanness of spirit and your logical processes have wasted on the vine.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:04 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    PROVEN lies, not just because you say they are lies.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:03 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Hey Johnny, want to go head to head Republican vs. Democrat lies? Ought to be fun and be prepared to lose.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:57 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Bobbin, I am please to see you agree that Holder and Hillary are liars.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:53 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Do you actualy read what you write before you click on the post comment button? You know that if Romney had any misdeeds regarding his taxes Obama would have been all over the airways screaming loud. Especially now that we know the IRS was illegally dogging his competition. Problem Obama had with Romney is he was a "clean machine" and poor Axelrod couldn't dig up any dirt so they just made lying baseless accusations hoping the low information voters would swallow it. All Romney's tax returns tell me is that he was smart enough to minimize his taxes LEGALLY. Smart man, in my book.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:47 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    More irony from the liberal side. Just becaus YOU say someone is a liar doesn't make it so. Just how many lies does Obama have to tell to make him an official liar?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:38 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Sorry, Joe, but just because you say someone is a air does not make it so. Thank you for agreeing with me that Republicans are liars though. I assume that because you did not defend any of them and you know that is the case.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:34 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Is it not interesting that the best Conservatives can do against the thesis of my letter is to say the Democrats do it too? They do not deny the the Republicans are a bunch of liars. How interesting. [smile]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:32 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1182

    BTW Nice letter John.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:24 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1182

    Well thats one mistake you corrected. Care to confess to the many others.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:18 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 353

    As the cast of Steinfeld would say concerning all of todays posts. Yada,Yada. Yada. along with Yawn.[wink]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:12 pm on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1182

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:45 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Actually, we'll now never know whether Mitt Romney didn't pay a dime in taxes for the past ten years since he NEVER released the returns Reid was referring to - only those for 2010 and 2011 where we learned he paid less than a 14% effective tax rate on 14 Million in unearned income.

    So the claim that Reid lied is unprovable.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:30 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Previous post should have been, Democratic LIBERALS.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:18 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1797

    Obama didn't have to fool all the people all the time, he only had to fool the fools who voted for him. It is OK for Democrats to lie, but not Republicans? Apparently our liberal poster cannot see the irony of his claims. Google "Obama Lies' just in case you think your memory needs refreshing. Holder lies like a dog, Hillary lied about Benghazi and gee how about ol' Harry Reid - "Romney hasn't paid a dime in taxes for the last 10 years"? Poor Jay Carney is a paid professional liar trying to cover Obama's lies. When the Democratic conservatives become saintly, let me know.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:52 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:38 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1182

    There is somerthing to be said about the preference of being lied to by democrats than republicans. The lies of the democrats seems to be improving the economy that the lies of he republicans nearly destroyed. The lies of the democrats seems to be preserving social security and healhcare the republican lies are trying to destroy. So yes I think I prefer the lies of the demcrats. Democrats lies wind up caring about people while republican lies lead to corporations being called people that limit their "people" caring focus.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:12 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    Mr. Hartung said it best."Both parties and all politicians are disgusting. Who can be a conservative and endorse Newt"Gangrene" Gingrich, who has no virtues and is the epitome of a "slimy politician."

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:05 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Your many times saying that George W Bush was a man of honor and integrity says much about your qualifications about judging truth, honor and character in general

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:24 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    As opposed to being lied to by you?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:22 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Did it ever occur to you that your attitude is exactly what the Republicans and their corporate masters want you to have if you cannot be a mindless robot like some on these forums? Your attitude is the easy and lazy way out.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:13 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2692

    Helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm, Apparently Mr. Lucas prefers to be lied to by Democrats.

     
  • Michael Hartung posted at 7:49 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    mhartung Posts: 24

    Both parties and all politicians are disgusting, but Mr. Lucas is correct, the Republicans are much better at not understanding the truth.....fair and balanced!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:59 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    And the Democrat Party - including Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama - is the epitome of truth and honor? You may now attribute Lincoln's quote.

     

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