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Posted: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 12:00 am

Randy Braziel was incorrect in his letter to the editor of Sept. 17 regarding double-action/single-action. The Glock is single-action only. The Glock is the most dangerous pistol I know of on the market. Ironically, it is branded the “Glock Safety Pistol.” That is hilarious, but not funny.

Glock brags about its three internal safeties. The problem is, they don’t do anything for safety except prevent the gun from firing if it is dropped. Otherwise, all it takes to fire the gun is to pull the trigger — which comes with a light trigger pull. There is no external safety, no double-action feature, no external round-in-the-chamber indicator, nor visible cartridge feature (showing part of the brass cartridge chambered into the bore), and no manual disabling feature. As a comparison, the Ruger LC9 has all the above features.

Notwithstanding the dangerous Glock design, many police agencies choose to issue it. The Lodi Chief commented in an interview that he adopted the admittedly dangerous Glock because he didn’t want the officer to have to stop and think for the moment necessary to disengage an external safety, in a stressful situation. It takes about a second and a half to put a bullet in somebody after a trained officer disengages an external safety. Wouldn’t that half-second pause before killing somebody be a good idea?

Police used to carry fiveor six-shot Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolvers in holsters with flaps over the butt of the gun. In San Francisco the officers discreetly carried the sidearm under their thigh-length uniform jacket. It was not uncommon to hear a career police officer say with pride that he had never drawn his weapon in his years of service. The militarized police today are a far cry from those days.

But what is more dangerous to the officer now than then? If anything, I would venture that more citizens carried weapons back in the day than do today. The police today need to show more courage and steadiness, and not demonstrate a hysterical “officer safety,” trigger happy, fast draw, empty-the-magazine attitude.

Edward G. Brooks

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6 comments:

  • Jessie Abraham posted at 6:30 pm on Sat, Feb 8, 2014.

    Abe Posts: 14

    I would say it is dangerous by its design. The NYPD (30,000 strong) adopted it and began shooting themselves and others they didn't intend to shoot. That was the reason for the "New York trigger." The trigger pull was about doubled from around 4.5 lbs to around 8 lbs. You have to assume New York's finest were trained

     
  • Jessie Abraham posted at 6:24 pm on Sat, Feb 8, 2014.

    Abe Posts: 14

    I qualify with a Glock every 6 months.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:52 pm on Thu, Oct 3, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Steve: One way to look at the proliferation of safeties, de-cockers, ambidextrous anythings, lights, lasers, etc., is that these are just more things to slow down the first shot.

    I'm sure many would agree with me, when a cop needs to shoot, he can't wait for his biometric ring to give the ok to the firing pin. An hopefully, he has remembered to unlock the action first. Hopefully the bad guy will be a gentleman and have the decency to wait until the officer is all set before initiating any gun play.

    So my guess is you're not a Glock guy. Fair enough. Although I generally don't go for the new fangled pistols or firearms for that matter, I do like the Glocks. If I had to choose between the 1911 and the G21, I would really have to take some time to think. Having dropped both guns at times, I cringe at the chance the Colt will go off or worse, get all dinged up. The Glock? I'll just reach down and get it on its' first bounce.

    Personally, I'd like them to all go back to revolvers. If you're going to miss 16 times out of 17, then there is quite an added expense see, if you miss only 5 times in 6, you don't have to replace 9 or 10 bullets. And the revolvers should all be small framed S&W in some caliber like 32 Long, maybe 38 S&W for long range shooting. That way you can actually see the bullet go through the air or watch it bounce along the ground at any range over 40 feet. See? No over penetration.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:05 pm on Wed, Oct 2, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2293

    Given the profusion of excellent semi automatic pistols on the market today, the fact that our law enforcement officers are armed with Glocks is a disgrace.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 12:45 pm on Wed, Oct 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    The letter writer is correct in saying the Glock shoots single action on all shots. Retracting the slide less than an inch cocks the hammer. There is no way to lower the hammer (it's internal). A Glock can be in several configurations, but with a round chambered, it can only be in "single" action. This is not inherently dangerous. Trainned properly (and anyone who carries a gun should be trainned, or at the very least, very familiar with his/her firearm). A person trainned with, or familiar with a Glock should know that they go only in holsters if they have a round in the chamber.

    There is an "external" signal that a Glock has a loaded round in the chamber, although most are not aware of it and I'm not sure Glock designed it as such.
    Near the exit port there is a small lever that protrudes slightly with a round chambered. I'm not sure all Glocks have this or even if all my Glocks have it (I have 4). I would not rely on it. To insure a round is chambered, you need to retract the slide slilghtly and visually determine a round is in the chamber.

    The proliferation of large capacity semi-auto pistols and a change in peace officer training has led to the spray and pray procedure we see today. I've seen on video, two police officers returning fire at a traffic stop when the driver elected to pull a gun. One officer fired 17 rounds, his partner probably 10. It would seem that standard protocol today is to empty your gun and reload, further shooting is at the discretion of the officer. I am not saying this is right or wrong. It just is.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:59 am on Wed, Oct 2, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    The writer is technically correct. The Glock does fire "single action" and this is because as the slide retracts1/2 inch or so, the hammer cocks, hence, single action fire. As a benefit, the shooter gets the same trigger pull from first round to the last, unlike most of today's modern semi-auto pistols which fire the first round double action and the rest single action. I would hessitate to call the trigger pull "lighjt".
    I have never measured it, but this afternoon I will. It certainly isn't as heavy as a revolver, but it's a lot more than my expensive European 308 Win. "sniper" rifle.

    I woiuldn't characterize the Glock as "dangerous". Without proper training, any firearm is "dangerous". I own 4 Glocks and one of the reasons is that they don't have all the hammer releases, external safeties, etc. hanging on their sides lke HK's or Sigs, or even S&W's. No you should never stick it into your wasteband with a round in the chamber, but proper carry rarely dictates not using a holster.

    The Glock was originally designed to be a military sidearm and is more or less indestructable assuming you aren't using a acetyline torch or a hacksaw on it. The magazines were originally designed to remain in the gun when released, which is contrary to current docterine of grabbing a fresh mag while the used one is falling to the ground. In over 20 years, I have never had a Glock fail to cycle or jam wihile using factory ammunition. Some very light handloads have prevented cycling.

    There is a way to determine if the Glock has a round in the chamber on the right hand of the slide, by the ejection chamber. I don't rely on it and I don't think this was intended to be a "safety feature" but just a design element.

    Despite the number Glocks owened, I prefer revolvers, which are actually much more sophisticated than any Glock. My defensive handgun is a Government 1911, but occasionally a wheel gun takes that duty.

     

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