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Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:00 am

Recently a conservative member of our community expressed an attitude that I found to be quite disturbing. His statement in regard to benefits available to dependents and survivors of military members who have been either disabled or killed in action was, “They didn’t earn squat!”

With this statement, this person is of the belief that no one except the individual who actually served in the military should receive any type of benefits such as health care or educational assistance at no or low cost.

I believe that this attitude regarding military dependents and beneficiaries does a great disservice to the family members of our military men and women who, along with the service member, have persevered through military deployments, separation from their loved ones and the struggle to maintain a coherent family life while constantly worrying whether their husband, wife, mother or father will return to them. In addition, many agonize about whether their loved one will be the same person, mentally and physically, when they return.

During a recent interview, former Vice President Dick Cheney criticized the proposed reductions in our military as we wind down from 12-plus years of war by stating, “(Obama) would much rather spend the money on food stamps than he would on a strong military or support for our troops.”

Apparently Mr. Cheney, in his eagerness to disparage the president, neglected to take into consideration that $104 million in food stamps were redeemed at military commissaries by military members and retirees in the last fiscal year — in fact, the growth of food stamp usage in the military overshadows that in the general population.

I realize that many conservatives are loath to give anyone what they consider “handouts” or “freebies.” They believe that everyone should pay their way or risk being considered lazy slackers or leeches on society.

The pretentious attitudes of the aforementioned “local conservative” and Dick Cheney can only be described as cavalier and express a lack of understanding of the sacrifices our military families have made in order to support our military men and women and our nation.

Joanne Bobin

Lodi

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36 comments:

  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:13 am on Fri, Mar 14, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Whoa...let the misogyny fly there, boy!
    And no one is trying to usurp your right to free speech, Ms. Bobbin.
    And if you think you have a grudge against George Walker Bush for crimes against the state, start waking up and realizing what your buddy Barrack Hussein Obama and his cronies are pulling over on the American people. You should be doubly appalled!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:51 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1896

    HE most likely, not I most likely.......

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:52 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [rolleyes]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:54 am on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich: I am NOT the one who brought up this OFF TOPIC topic.

    Mr. Kinderman did.

    It is not related to the letter I wrote and if you want me to write a complete research paper on the issues YOU wish to discuss, it's not going to happen.

    Sorry. I'm trying to keep my comments to the TOPIC as the RULES here require and not address any wild hair you want to discuss.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 8:31 am on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 434

    A very interesting site, I must say. And, as it is from Bill Moyers, I don't think anyone can question its bias. I recommend everyone check it out.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:08 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    On six of the eight areas below , Obama expanded or codified Bush's policies. Why are you not equally appalled?

    PATRIOT Act

    Wiretaps & Data Collection

    Guantanamo

    CIA Black Sites

    Targeted Killing

    Drone Strikes

    Enhanced Interrogation

    Military Commissions

    Click the bars within the timelines for more information on each... event.http://billmoyers.com/content/comparing-obama-and-bushs-records-on-wartime-civil-liberties/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:03 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Give me YOUR definition of EARNED, Baxxter. Since I outlined mine in my letter, tell me where YOU disagree.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:01 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Has nothing to do with my letter or the topic I wrote about.

    Write you own letter if you want to cover all of the above topics, Doctor.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:00 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Has nothing whatsoever to do with my letter or the topic I wrote about.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:00 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Has nothing to do with my letter.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:58 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Whoa...let the misogyny fly there, boy!

    No one is trying to usurp your right to free speech, Mr. Kinderman.

    And if you think you have a grudge against Barack Hussein Obama for crimes against the state, start waking up and realizing what your buddy George Walker Bush and his cronies pulled over on the American people. You should be doubly appalled!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:18 am on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Any leader of the free world who usurps the Congress with his “pen and phone” leans more toward “Dear Leader” than “Dear Mr. President.” By the way, my gripe with President Barack Hussein Obama’s use of the Executive Order is not how many he has issued, just what he plans to use them for – so any comparison based upon volume with previous presidents won’t fly, at least not as far as I am concerned.

    Of course this is just my opinion. Unless some new federal law was passed recently, we’re all still permitted to criticize not only our government but any of our elected “leaders” as well. If that bothers anyone; if anyone might be “offended” by that - too bad; I couldn’t possibly care less. Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States does it ensure that anyone has a right to not be offended.

    Because if that were the case, the way President George W. Bush was characterized, written about and compared with during his eight years in the White House, there would be endless cases in “Oh I am So Offended Court” hosted by Judge Veronica, Betty, Midge or whoever is playing at wearing the black robe on daytime TV. So let’s try just a little to not be so disingenuous. The election of Barack Hussein Obama did NOT usher in a new era where only liberals/progressives were permitted to offend whomever they please while all others are expected to remain silent.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:41 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857


    http://www.in.gov/dwd/files/UnemploymentVeteransGreatRecession.pdf

    - Get YOUR facts straight, Ms. Bobbin!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:34 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    http://spectator.org/articles/39016/those-underpaid-government-workers


    THOSE UNDERPAID GOVERNMENT WORKERS
    The recession has exposed just how nice and cozy -- and unaffordable -- working for the government can be.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:26 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857


    -This was in 2009, Ms. Bobbin. Obama did have a put a freeze on their salaries because iof this.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-12-10-federal-pay-salaries_N.htm

    By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
    The number of federal workers earning six-figure salaries has exploded during the recession, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal salary data.
    Federal employees making salaries of $100,000 or more jumped from 14% to 19% of civil servants during the recession's first 18 months — and that's before overtime pay and bonuses are counted.

    Federal workers are enjoying an extraordinary boom time — in pay and hiring — during a recession that has cost 7.3 million jobs in the private sector.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:55 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think you are incorrect in your opinion, Mr. Kinderman.

    No one is saying that you have no right to "speak your mind" or deny you your first amendment rights. No one is saying you need to bow down to "Dear Leader," which I find to be a complete insult to the man who is the leader of the free world, i.e., to compare him with the leader of North Korea by using that phrase.

    I'm sure you are a much better man than that - don't you?

    But to say that SOME people deserve benefits and others don't - that is another matter. And it is what you do on a continual basis and it is wrong.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:49 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:46 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Perhaps YOU should research the validity of your comments before you make them.

    Civilian federal employees received the same 1.4% pay increase.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:42 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Thanks for confirming with me I'm on the ame page as you. We know who the those are.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:26 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1896

    At least Mr. Kinderman EARNED his benefits.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:43 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Great. If that's what you THINK I've said in the past, go ahead and post some of those comments.

    Bet you can't find them unless you do as Darrell Baumbach used to do and keep an entire file of all of my comments.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:42 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Chuckle.

    Nice to know that you think our military is incompetent, Mr. Doctor.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:41 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    You see Mr. Dockter, there are those who actually believe that those who afford themselves to the benefits they’ve “earned” somehow forfeit their right to speak their minds. I seem to recall that one actually suggested that such recipients should on bended knee give humble thanks to “Dear Leader” and other elected people whilst keeping their opinions to themselves (mouths shut as it were).

    Of course I’ve never been of that particular ilk as I believe the First Amendment applies to ALL Americans, not just those who either have not earned such benefits or are not receiving them.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:50 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    It makes total sense to decrease military spending at this point. I doubt we will need more than 490,000 troops IF we get into any scuffle with Russia - which we won't.

    -Please stop reminding us you have a knack at making irrational statements. The world has many more people now who wish to do harm and reducing our troop level down to pre WWII numbers is the epitome of stupidity.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:45 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    Mr. Kinderman - I'm speaking of VA benefits available to the dependents of vets determined to have a 100% service-connected disability or the survivors of vets who have been killed in action - usually husband/wife & kids.

    -And you are also speaking of your questioning that Jerome Kinderman should be getting any kind of these benefits at all. I can post some of your remarks.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:33 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Nerve, eh, Doctor?

    My comments are not the fact that Mr. Kinderman receives these benefits, period. He has served honorably in the military and is entitled to what he has alluded to as his use VA medical facilities, which benefit is available to former military based on many circumstances including service related illness and financial need.

    My comments have been directed at the fact that Mr. Kinderman has made comments about the ACA and entitlement programs while enjoying free medical care and the benefit of entitlements himself.

    Try to get your facts right (again) before commenting and putting words in my mouth that I never wrote.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:26 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Really, Doctor?

    Perhaps YOU should research the validity of your comments before you make them.

    "In December 2010, Congress approved President Obama's recommended 1.4% pay increase for military personnel, while President Obama announced that he would freeze for two years the salaries of all other federal government workers."

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:44 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857


    Frankly,

    I'm speechless on the matter of someone not having a problem with our service men and women who protect us from the evils of the world having to resort to foodstamps to suplement their income. Such a kick in the face to them. But not according to that someone.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:39 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin stated

    Apparently Mr. Cheney, in his eagerness to disparage the president, neglected to take into consideration that $104 million in food stamps were redeemed at military commissaries by military members and retirees in the last fiscal year — in fact, the growth of food stamp usage in the military overshadows that in the general population.

    -Apparently Ms. Bobbin, in her eargerness to disaparage Mr. Cheney, neglected to take into consideration if the military's budget hadn't been reduced so much by the Obama Admin. they wouldn't have to be on food stamps. Her gripes about the military not having enough of a budget really isn't much different than Mr. Cheney's.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:53 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin has a lot of nerve taking this position considering her disparaging remarks directed at Jerome Kinderman specifically because he receives military benefits.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:22 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It makes total sense to decrease military spending at this point. I doubt we will need more than 490,000 troops IF we get into any scuffle with Russia - which we won't.

    What would you expect from war hawk Dick Cheney who, as a matter of fact as Defense Secretary under Reagan, made a 25% reduction in the defense budget in 1990.

    He's another hypocrite whose only desire is to criticize the Obama Administration regardless of how stupid it makes HIM look by making dumb statements.

    And really - concealed weapon permits - are YOU going to Ukraine with your pop-gun, Ed?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:05 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm not naming names, but it IS someone who comments in this forum - HAS commented several times on this issue with the attitude that I stated.

    Mostly as a personal attack against me.

    Mr. Kinderman - I'm speaking of VA benefits available to the dependents of vets determined to have a 100% service-connected disability or the survivors of vets who have been killed in action - usually husband/wife & kids.

    These are different than anything anyone is promised when they are recruited and they are included as various "Chapters" of the Veterans Administration regulations and others are included in the California Military & Veterans Code (through CalVet), most notably the CalVet home loan program.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    While it would be interesting to know which "conservative member of our community expressed an attitude that . . . dependents and survivors of military members who have been either disabled or killed in action was, 'They didn’t earn squat!'," as it pertains to ". . . benefits available to dependents and survivors of military members who have been either disabled or killed in action," I suppose revealing such information might prove problematic.

    Nevertheless, whether this person was right or wrong is subjective at best. That is unless of course such benefits were specifically spelled out in the Service Member's enlistment or appointment contract. In fact, practically more than a dozen times after I enlisted it was brought to my attention that "if it ain't in the contract, it doesn't exist." Each one of us who chose to serve in the military understood and accepted that we were willing to die for our country if necessary. Of particular interest, when I served the Vietnam era "GI Bill" had just expired; it was quite generous with its education and home loan benefits. Since we were at peace, I was offered the Veteran's Education Assistance Program ("VEAP") that put quite simply was a dollar-for-dollar account. Being married with one child when I joined and then having yet another part-way through my enlistment, I needed every penny my E-2 to E-4 salary would provide - there was no room for me to give even one of my dollars for Uncle Sam to drop in one of his.

    Was I at all upset or did I feel gypped in any way knowing that others of nearly the same rank were going to have not only their education fully funded, but also provided with a generous housing and subsistence allowance to boot? Not at all - it wasn't in the contract!

    It would behoove anyone considering serving in the military to fully understand every part of what that means - including what benefits might be afforded to their family members. Of course I would think anyone serving during times of war with the possibility of deployment to a battlefield or other area where the chance of injury or death is likely to occur should consider what they might do to ensure that their families are cared for in the event the worst happens. After all, shouldn't we be responsible for ourselves and for those we love? Frankly, I would think it most imprudent and even irresponsible for anyone to head off to war not knowing if they hadn't cared for their spouses and/or children. Or is that too much to ask?

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 12:36 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 75

    The conservitive expert on everything that Ms. Bobbin speaks of probably considers any money he gives his wife or children out of what he has earned a handout as well. (Assuming he has a wife and children) Ever consider that those family members supported your efforts to make that money that you so dearly cherish?

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 11:56 am on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 607

    Boben: Dick Cheney,??????? On the other hand did you read Sowell`s column this morning. As much as it seems you despise Fox News Channel, Megen Kelly brought a subject to national attention, read if for yourself, and she was correct. Now at a time when this country might need to increase the military, what does the Sec. of Defence do, big plans to cut the military. And you have the nerve to scuddle Dick Cheney.

    This should get your attention, thanks to a higher courts ruling, it is possable for a typical citizen like you or me to get a license to carry a consealed weapon. It isn`t easy but it can be done leagally.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:36 am on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    While it would be interesting to know which “conservative member of our community expressed an attitude that . . . dependents and survivors of military members who have been either disabled or killed in action was, ‘They didn’t earn squat!’”, I suppose revealing such information might prove problematic.

    Nevertheless, whether this person was right or wrong is subjective at best. That is unless of course such benefits were specifically spelled out in the Service Member’s enlistment or appointment contract. In fact, more than a dozen times after I enlisted it was brought to my attention that “if it ain’t in the contract, it doesn’t exist.” Each one of us who chose to serve in the military understood and accepted that we were willing to die for our country if necessary. Of particular interest, just prior to my enlistment the Vietnam era “GI Bill” had expired; it was quite generous with its education and home loan benefits. Since we were at peace, I was offered participation in the Veteran’s Education Assistance Program (“VEAP”) that put quite simply was a dollar-for-dollar account. Being married with one child when I joined and then having yet another part-way through my enlistment, I needed every penny my E-2 to E-4 salary would provide - there was no room for me to give even one of my dollars for Uncle Sam to drop in one of his.

    Was I at all upset or did I feel ripped off in any way knowing that others of nearly the same rank were going to have not only their education fully funded, but also provided with a generous housing and subsistence allowance to boot? Not at all - it wasn’t in my contract!

    It would behoove anyone considering serving in the military to fully understand every part of what that means - including what benefits might be afforded to their family members. Of course I would think anyone serving during times of war with the possibility of deployment to a battlefield or other area where the chance of injury or death is likely to occur to consider what they should do to ensure that their families are cared for in the event the worst happens. After all, shouldn’t we be responsible for ourselves and for those we love? Frankly, I would think it most imprudent and even irresponsible for anyone to head off to war not knowing if they hadn’t cared for their spouses and/or children. Or is that too much to ask?

     

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