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Posted: Monday, May 7, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:11 am, Mon May 7, 2012.

I am at a loss where to begin. This is so against the teachings of my generation — perhaps yours, too. Do you accept dishonesty? Is it okay to lie or deceive to reach your objectives?

I have just done some homework on Obama's mentor, Saul Alinsky. This is scary stuff! Perhaps now I can start to understand Pelosi, Reid, Boxer and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. These folks have accepted the Alinsky model. It is not a lie if your heart is in it. You can and must be dishonest if it achieves your goal. "Pass the bill so we can see what's in it." Good grief!

Obama and his minions are from a different planet. They have bought the Alinsky fraud — the end justifies the means. No wonder those of us who were raised to play by the rules feel like we are losing. The media is part and parcel to this disgusting departure from civil society. Do you really believe dishonesty should be part of our psyche? No wonder liberals want to expunge religion from our set of core values.

Folks, if you care, look up Saul Alinsky on the web. This guy ranks right up there with Obama's heroes: Reverend Wright, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Lenin and Mao. Wow. We had better wake up soon, or we will join the Gulag crowd (or the Sharia crowd). Sound like fun? I don't think so. We owe it to our children to stop the travesty!

Jerry Osgood

Galt

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43 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:53 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr President... I salute you for being a wonderful family man ...

    Can you please devote 100% of your time to it instead of transforming our country into something socialist countries appreciate.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:32 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I third that and yes long overdue

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 10:02 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrb: I well understand offensive and defensive statements...I simply ask why is one any more so than the other? Isn't free speech (eg OW) just free speech? How many times to I have to read about people being called t----ers before they ban that? The point is this is selective First Amendment enforcement.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:59 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1485

    Mr Maple the fact that you don't understand when you are being offensive is telling.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:58 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1485

    I second that Steve excellent decision long overdue.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:22 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    What in particular was not scary? Did you read his books? What specifically do you agree with Saul Alinsky? I cannot imagine anyone reading his material thinking it was not scary unless you actually embrace what he suggests. Since he states that it is good to do what it takes to achieve results( no matter what) and that the ends definitely justifies the means, how is that not scary?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:29 pm on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2291

    Mr President, I salute you!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:08 pm on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Hanner...how is what I said any more offensive than the comments I complained about?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:42 am on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    No, most of us have seen and recognize a valid Hawaii birth certificate for the president.

    The SS card gambit is nothing more than a ruse by those who hate the President.
    Only the ignorant will bite that hook, the same ignorant fools who still believe that President Obama was born in some foreign country.

    It's too bad someone much smarter than you is using you to play crack the whip.
    Your inability to scrutilnze and discern unlikely scenarios has made you the laughing stock of this forum and you have only yourself to blame.

    Again I ask, willl you move away if I agree to help you financially?


     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:46 am on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    SNOPES is right about one thing. Obama is not using Jean Paul Ludwig’s CT social security number. He is using someone else’s. And in their delight in denouncing the use of Ludwig’s, they include a new addition to the Social Security Administration’s website that says a person does not have to live in the state for which the number has been set aside. That was never written there before Obama’s fraudulent use of his number was challenged.

    Attached in the current information at SSA for filing for a number is the following. "NOTE: If you are age 12 or older and have never received a Social Security number, you must apply in person."

    Obama allegedly got his CT number of 042-68-4425 in March ’77, which can be proven since the person before him -4424 and after him -4429 both got theirs then.

    Is there a single rational person in this forum who believes a fifteen year old working at Baskin Robbins flew from HI to CT to get a social security number?

    For Obama to have a CT number, there has to be at the SSA a form SS-5 that is hand-written and has a CT address where he was living. It doesn’t exist. Now that we have seen the phony "birth certificate", let’s see the phony SS-5.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:45 am on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Because he DOESN'T have a social security card with a connecticut number."

    Really? Are you sure? You might want to take off your blinders and look at Obama’s 2009 Federal Income Tax Return.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/64758272/Proof-Obama-Uses-Stolen-Connecticut-SSN-042-68-4425-Obama-2009-IRS-Tax-Return

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:23 am on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Well finally we get at least some truth from the weasel: "Snopes.com has become the be-all, end-all arbiter of truth."

    " I don’t know how this happened. "

    "Moron Mike often likes to suggest my office is in my kitchen. David and Barbara Mikkelson's actually is." And what is telling here is that the weasel doesn't say his website isn't based in his kitchen so we can conclude that ti probably is.

    Finally we have this: "Why does Obama have a Connecticut SSN and a different Social Security Number when he worked as a teenager in Hawaii prior to 1977?"

    Because he DOESN'T have a social security card with a connecticut number. He may have a number similar to those born in connecticut, but he doesn't have one issued to people born in connecticut. You've been duped again, believing everything your friends in their mad, lunatic ravings post. And since you lack the ability to differentiate between what is real and what is made up, you believe it.

    Have you checked snopes.com? They might have the matter resolved.

    And I ask again.....If I helped you finance a move away from here, would you move?


     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:03 am on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Try again yourself... An Obama administration representative meets with Media Matters reps at the Common Purpose Project meeting at the Capitol Hilton on 16th Street in Washington every Tuesday evening.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:04 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    I said nothing about a "fake birth certificate". President Obama has, and has presented a legal birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. That settles the "where was he born?" matter except for the rabid birthers who will stoop to any level to harrass the President.

    The use of the suffix "-tards" is really a low, and typical, blow. You probably don't care that that suffix used the way you are using it is offensive to a great number of people.
    If you didn't understand, then I would say, fair enough. My guess is you know what it's connotation refers to and you don't care and fully intend it's use, in which case you don't really surpise most of the more intellectual group here as you have demonstrated many times here that you think no rules apply to you as long as there is a you tube video which supports your position. I don't know which is worse: The absence of shame you should have or your continued attempts to bully others (you lose that one to).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:10 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Obamanoids? Libtards? Just how old are you, Mr. Liebich?

    Seriously, please post the website(s) where you find this information or the name of the site that emails this BS to you.

    And the saddest part of all is that Mr. Liebich doesn't realize that the Internet is available to everyone. All of your "informational" tidbits are easily found and debunked with a simple Google search.

    RE: Obama's SS #:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:03 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Rich Hanner: I find this offensive and demand it be removed!!!

    msb; "My only disapproval of putting a Trannie on the tree was the choice of "Hedda Lettuce" over Rue Paul. Paul definitely has much more style and is a racially correct choice despite Hedda's agenda of being environmentally pro-green."

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:02 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    Wow, a Limbaugh acolyte... for those of you who missed his show yesterday, he went on and on about it. And then Andrew parroted it. Coincidence?

    Try again...

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201205070014

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:54 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "I wonder if she knows it also had a transvestite... Are you OK with that as well Ms. Bobin?"

    Yeah - I have access to Google, too. Turns out this was a tempest in a teapot and the flames were fueled by....oooh, no, FOX News! Heavens!!

    Not really worth mentioning, but the storm was over ornaments sent out by the White House to various organizations that were asked to "decorate" them and send them back. It is doubtful that either Barack or Michelle Obame actually had anything to do with what was put on the tree.

    A transvestite? Oh my gosh, no!!!

    My only disapproval of putting a Trannie on the tree was the choice of "Hedda Lettuce" over Rue Paul. Paul definitely has much more style and is a racially correct choice despite Hedda's agenda of being environmentally pro-green.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:08 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin is apparently quite OK with the fact that the President of the United States decorates the White House Christmas tree with Mao...

    I wonder if she knows it also had a transvestite... Are you OK with that as well Ms. Bobin?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:04 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    LOL... Let's try again and this time try to focus Obamanoids.

    Why does Obama have a SSN reserved for Connecticut applicants, despite the president’s never having lived in the Constitution State?

    In your libtarded minds statements such as "The SS card was taken out by an operative of the birthers" and "maybe he got it when he got that fake birth certificate" are answers to my question. I shouldn't have to point out the fact that they aren't.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:57 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I seeeeeeeeeeeee !!! YOU can use the term Teaba--ers and it is okay...even when I complain about it. Accusing someone of being Hitler, Stalin and other murderers is also okay. Slander, defamation and calling in to question someone's sexuality is okay too!

    Typical democratic use of the First Amendment. Maybe I should have claimed (since I once was considered a politician) the right to speak freely...and frankly. Or chalked it up to comedic reverence like Bill Mahr or Chris Matthews or Jimmy Fallon, or Fiddy Cent or Joe Biden. Maybe?

    Selective at the least mr hanner.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:26 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Weasel ":huh"

    "AAAaauuugghhhh" "AAAaauuuuggghhh"

    Look at 'em balance that beach ball

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:25 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Oh! Oh! Let me answer the one about Connecticut!

    The SS card was taken out by an operative of the birthers so it could be implied that Obama place of birth could be more suspect than even the rocks in head birthers think. Not much imagination in that one weasel. I see you've at least started citing your sources or maybe that's when you think I'll be looking. I can see you thought of the last post all on your own. I'm very proud of you.

    The weasel people are so predictable, but foolish. You think we'd fall for your doctored SS card? This is right out of the birther playbook.

    Have you decided to move tet? Really. If you want to leave the state I'll help ;you out.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:24 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1485

    I don't know Andrew maybe he got it when he got that fake birth certificate or maybe the same government employees that blew up the trade center got it for him. Andrew don't you think that if he was going to get a fake SS card his people are smart enough to get him one from Hawaii? nappy time ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:44 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    What? Mao and not the rest of the gang? What an outrage!!

    The "festival of ignorance" is what Mr. Liebich calls the space between his ears.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:12 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    That's the weasel we all know and can't stand. Insult everyone.

    Thank you for being the festival grand marshall.

    What? No You Tube videos?

    No big meetings held in other countries, chaired by someone from a different country investigating why Americans were duped or tricked or whatever else?

    I would like to suggest that if you don't like it here, you move somewhere else?
    I'd be more than willing to help out financially.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:53 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mao was displayed on the White House Christmas tree in 2009 and the Obamanoids castigate Mr. Osgood for suggesting folks do a little research on Saul Alinsky? A literal festival of ignorance.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:58 am on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I have to admit that the title of this letter is ironic. "Dishonesty should not be part of our psyche", the title of a letter from a Conservative Republican. Logic would tell us that a confession or some sort of mea culpa was forthcoming but unfortunately all we got was the normal Conservative Republican dishonesty.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:08 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Joanne: Good one!!

    I can only hope there are some passages the weasel can misquote and later claim that he was talking about some other book with exactly the same title, written at the same time by the same authors so as to weasel out of his facade of all knowingness based on a trillion you tube videos.

    Conservatives. Their false idols. Their hope that gas will stay at $4 a gallon and millions more lose their jobs so that Mick or moot or whatever his name is can come in second in the only poll that counts, the one on the first Tuesday in Novem

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:07 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Those individuals were identified as Barack Obama's heroes in the yet to be published book, "Dreams from my Communist, Socialist, Muslim, Kenyan, and Whatever Other Evil Noun You Can Name, of My Brothers." This is due to be published in late January 2017, after the inauguration of Hillary Clinton as our 45th president.

    Of course, by that time, the United States of America has already been renamed "The United Socialist, Communist, Wrightist, Chavezist, Castroist, Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist, Wowist and Alinskyist States of America."

    BOOM! Transformation complete!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:46 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Another brilliant comment by Galt's premier intellectual scholar. It's a toss-up between Jerry Osgood and Pat Maple - which of the two Galtians can make the most moronic comments.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 3:31 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Maybe you were thinking of Bow Wow?

    Can any show me where President Obama identified these individuals as his heroes: Reverend Wright, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Lenin and Mao. Wow?
    Maybe it's in that book Obama wrote.

    On a much lighter note, Jerry Osgood is way too involved in something he has no control over. He might need some sort of counseling when President Obama is re-elected, if he makes it that long. Think of the migrane headaches he must generate. You can clearly see it in his writing. Every letter he writes demonstrates how slight his grasp of reality and sanity is.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 3:16 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    sounds like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Nugent...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:51 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    And Pats contribution "Alinsky was a Master Baiter!"
    Now does anyone have a serious contribution beyond his adolescent snicker humor.
    And Pat you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:52 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Don't need it Galt either

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:47 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Jerry continues to be a stark raving lunatic.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:44 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Newt Gingrich used Sauls name in a campaign speech knowing few people knew him and the name had a radical sound to it. Of course conservatives grabbed it and throw the name around hoping for the same fear mongering effect. And your right he was not a scary or scheming radical. Hew was more of a Ghandi than a Trotsky.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:26 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Why does Jerry Osgood continue to get a pass to write this trash and have it published in the LNS?

    Keep your garbage in Galt, Mr. Osgood. Or perhaps the Galt Herald has the good sense not to print it, unlike this paper.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:17 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Absolutely Mr. Barrow. Does Colin Powell's "smoking gun" speech ring a bell?

    http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/3302powell_un-speech.html

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:08 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1485

    Ron on your advice I looked up Saul Alinsky doesn’t appear to be scary unless you’re an enemy of the middle class and enemies of the middle class should be getting a little worried. No one said the left was just going to lie down and take it. Many on the right are surprised when the tree hugging, anti-war hippy liberals stand up for themselves. They shouldn’t be.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:02 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1485

    I beleive it was the conservatives who lied their way into an unnecessary war that cost many lives and almost bankrupt this country.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:43 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    On November 15, 2008, Sam Webb, National Chair of the Communist Party USA delivered an address to the Communist Party USA National Committee. During his address, he noted the following concerning the party's relationship with Obama...

    "The left can and should advance its own views and disagree with the Obama administration without being disagreeable. Its tone should be respectful. We are speaking to a friend."

    Communist Party national Secretary Sam Webb, lays out the reasons why his Party, despite some "disappointments," will continue to support their "friend" Barack Obama and the Democrats in 2012.

    http://peoplesworld.org/does-it-matter-which-party-wins/

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:41 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Very funny letter Jerry!! What planet are Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Boxer and Debbie Wasserman Schultz from? Was that in your homework assignment?

    Who is this Wow you refer to as some sort of Obama's heroes? I've heard of Mao, and Stalin. I can't recall Wow. Was Mao's last name Wow? That would resolve it.
    Mao Wow. Or is it Wow Mao? Or is it Wow Wow?

    Sorry republicans.....Obama in 2012!!!!

     

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