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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:40 am, Sat Oct 20, 2012.

Is it not time to get over the past obsession with George W. Bush? The left wing of our country has created a bogeyman and uses it to motivate liberal voters.

The left-wing media and Democrats, having a superiority complex, were horrified that Bush, who had difficulty articulating his thoughts, was heard around the world as our spokesman. They were embarrassed and humiliated whenever Bush spoke, as they felt he was hurting America's image.

When Obama was elected in 2008, they finally rid themselves of Bush and replaced him with a man who could professionally speak. He read a teleprompter so well that they (liberals) actually believed that what he was saying was heartfelt. At last, they had a representative who would not embarrass their sensibilities.

But how long must America suffer the policies and results of Obama's misguided view that America needs to transform in to a country that reflects his memorable childhood spent in Indonesia? By all accounts, Obama has a good heart and sharp mind. He is capable enough to be president, but not of the United States. If he were a president in Indonesia, he would be able to represent their interests very well. Since 85 percent of Indonesia is Muslim and Obama relates to and embraces the Muslim community in a very positive way, he would not think Indonesia needs transforming.

It is time to vote for a president who has America's best interest at heart, which is why I will vote for Romney.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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85 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:53 pm on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED...about this object organization Mr Lucas perceives is balanced and objective...

    In the 2008 U.S. election the newsmagazine ( the ecomonist) endorsed Barack Obama, while using the election eve issue's front cover to promote his candidacy. ( more Kool Aid anyone)

    The paper has also supported some socially liberal causes such as recognition of gay marriages, legalisation of drugs, and progressive taxation, criticising the U.S. tax model in a recent issue,and seems to support some government regulation on health issues, such as smoking in public,as well as bans on spanking children. The Economist consistently favours guest worker programs, parental choice of school, and amnesties and once published an "obituary" of God.The Economist also has a long record of supporting gun control.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:51 pm on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    The Economist is good????? Says Mr Lucas, our local liberal scholar...Hummmm So if this is an objective organization that is fair and balanced when dealing with economic issues, you would expect politics of the left and right to be eliminated...So let's take a look...

    According to former editor Bill Emmott, "the Economist's philosophy has always been liberal, not conservative... so of course someone who cannot possibly see something wrong with liberalism will of course gavitate towards this kind of comedy.

    About two thirds of the 75 staff journalists are based in London

    It has been described as neo-liberal although occasionally accepting the propositions of Keynesian economics where deemed more "reasonable

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:25 am on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Two weeks ago a well-known publication, The Economist, polled hundreds of professional academic and business economists to get a perspective on how they felt about Obama vs. Romney on the U.S. economy.

    The following is a brief look at the questions that were asked in the poll:

    Who would handle China better?

    58% Obama
    10% Romney
    31% Indifferent

    Who would make better appointments to the Federal Reserve?

    63% Obama
    15% Romney
    22% Indifferent

    Who has a better grasp on economics?

    50% Obama
    28% Romney
    22% Indifferent

    Under which candidate would the economy grow more rapidly?

    44% Obama
    31% Romney
    25% Indifferent

    Those are four very important questions for economists. However, the real seller for me was a quote in The Economist article from a Republican expert who told The Economist that, “We have to assume Romney is lying about most of his plans.”

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:45 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "I've made my choice and am confident"

    [lol]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:34 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    MrLucas... I guess we are different. I have not spent one second contemplating what makes you tick... I knew what made you tick upon reading the first post you submitted at LNS and the Dailey Kos...nothing since has changed, so I was right from day one.

    You on the other hand after all this time, are still attempting to figure it out.

    I know for a fact, if we met, I would enjoy your company... you are a liberal after all.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:29 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Stan, liberalism in a nut shell..if liberal policies are not followed, the consequences are as they stated... how amusing

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:26 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Stan, sorry, but you are explaining concepts that are not possible to be comprehended by Mr Lucas... he is a scholar of liberalism and why it benefits society. If you asked him how liberal ideas and policies are good, he can write a best seller and explain it's complexities...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:14 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1477

    Face it John, repubs will not be satisfied till we look like medieval Europe where there were a few kings, dukes, barons and other landed gentry and the 99% hordes of peasants and surfs they could turn their noses up to. The upper middle class thinks they will be spared this low class fate if they vote republican but they will be wrong. There won't be enough room at the top.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:58 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1477

    Hey John I like that "Democrats make me ashamed to be an American But Republicans make me ashamed to be a human being." OK maybe not so much the democrat part

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:54 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1477

    Mr Chang is absolutly correct. Have liberal post DB will scribble. Conservative rant DB uses it like a commercial break. Go eat, go potty, go...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:44 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1477

    MR Kinderman said "Dissention between religious organizations has been around since Adam and Eve fell from Grace..." Just curious, what was the religion of Adam and Eve? You're correct about catholicism but the discussion had been about mormons. The same could have been said about Buddhists as well. Of course being called a cult is the same as saying they are atheist if the dominant religion feels they are not practicing under accepted beliefs. All religions, including the jews and christians had their beginings judged as atheist (cults) when viewed by Rome and others. So to be not listed as a cult means they have acheived some acceptance now of their beliefs or their beliefs may not be a direct road to Hades.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:06 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    138 words and not one real argument

     
  • stan taves posted at 2:42 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    John, you either haven't been paying attention, or you have absolutely no intention of ever learning anything about "my way". You feel more comfortable thinking about conservative ideology in one dimensional terms, and that is what makes your arguments one dimensional and insignificant. You speak of inequality as if you actually understand it's source -- you don't. People in this country have enormous opportunity despite how manipulated we have become by an overbearing central govt. Your contention is that more govt is the solution and not the problem. It doesn't matter that the case for smaller govt is made continuously. What matters to you is that the path to your "progressive" nirvana not be doubted in any way. You still believe that the fruits of your paradise have yet to ripen. Take a look, my friend; it's already rotten.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:49 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is interesting all this nonsense about Religion and whether the President is a "real" American. This election like all the elections since Reagan is about income inequality. It is whether we are going to shovel a greater amount of the national income to the top 1/10 of one percent or are we going back to the tax policies of the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70'6 when we built the biggest middle class the world has ever seen. If Darrell, Jerome Mr. taves, Brian, Mr. Chapman etc get their way we will see the destruction of the middle class and an economic downturn that will make 2008 look like boom times. This economy has been decimated by Conservative Republican ideas for 30 years and in its weakened state electing Mitt Romney will finish the the job of destroying the middle class.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:36 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I follow you Darrell but with a weird fascination of trying to figure out what makes you tick. When you post I always remember what that old guy in Montana said:

    Democrats make me ashamed to be an American But Republicans make me ashamed to be a human being

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:32 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    And there are other "organized christian groups" that have characterized Catholicism as a cult as well.

    Dissention between religious organizations has been around since Adam and Eve fell from Grace in the Garden of Eden. Considering that religion is based upon belief (faith), I expect that until we each one of us close our eyes for the last time we'll never know for an absolute certainty which one was right - and the rest were wrong.

    I've made my choice and am confident.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:37 am on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1477

    Most organized christian groups have refered to mormonism as a cult. Mormons have deviated from the council of Niceas tenants of christian belief. But now that Mit is the evangelical hope, (not sure why. They have been disappointed with Reagan and Bush, they are relookng at heir classification of the mormon religion Even the Rev Billy Graham said he is removing mormonism from his list of cults. I assume all religious convictons will change again if we come up with a scientology reub candidate. BTW the Salt Lake Tribune (Utahs largest newspaper in mormon land) has ome out and endorsed Barak Obama. They are disappointed with Mitts flips.

     
  • stan taves posted at 8:59 am on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Darrell is right, Barack Obama would be a better fit in Indonesia than he is in America. But in reality his best fit would be on Mars. I mean Barack Obama claims to be "green" -- now what does that tell ya? Van Jones the green czar? Green Peace at the Martian State Department? Think about it... where did these people come from in the 1st place? Maybe it's time they all went home?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:59 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...HAHAHAHAHA!!! So now you "people who follow" your postings? Your own little Baumbach posting fan club? HAHAHAHAHA!!

    Ooooh, I'm sooooooo jealous

    Actually Bobin, something you did not know, you are the real attraction to people who follow me... you are the main reason they enjoy it so much. In fact, they cannot wait for each of your posts just to see how I respond... you would not believe what they say...

    no reason for you to be jealous as you are the star.[beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:40 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Based on the feedback I get from people who follow my postings, they do not have difficulties as you do in comprehending the content and intent of my posts."

    HAHAHAHAHA!!! So now you "people who follow" your postings? Your own little Baumbach posting fan club? HAHAHAHAHA!!

    Ooooh, I'm sooooooo jealous!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:33 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Ms Bobin has claims (sic) she sees bigots around every corner in Lodi... now she is trying to spread rumor that being a Mormon indicates some sort of Cult like behavior..."

    Oooh! This is deliciously RICH!!! First, Mr. Baumbach writes a letter in which he suggests President Obama would be better suited to rule Indonesia while denying he claimed he was Muslim, then writes a comment under said letter in which he praises President Obama and his family for practicing their Muslim faith.

    Then - after I state that I watched a program about Willard Mitt Romney last night that centered on the influence of his faith - which included interviews with Evangelical Christians saying they could not support Willard due to his membership in what THEY consider a cult - NOW he claims I am "spreading a rumor."

    Sorry - but Pastor Frank Nolton was the first to proclaim that Willard Mitt Romney was NOT a Christian and that Mormonism was cult-like way back in July or August.

    You ARE DESPERATE, aren't you, Mr. Baumbach?

    What, could think of a 'I'm rubber, you're glue" retort?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:11 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sorry Mr Chang, have no idea what you are talking about... Not too many people have accused me of being silent...

    If you could post exactly what you claim i have been silent about, I could comment...so far, your accusation is only hot air.

    [sneaky]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:11 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Darrell said: "No one should be scared of the Muslim faith"

    If that's the way you truly feel...

    Why are you always silent when members of your peer group...

    Go on their Islam-phobic rants and diatribes??

    ??

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:24 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr kinderman stated...Sad is hardly the word for it, Mr. Baumbach

    I agree. I have to admit that I was attempting to be polite and used the word "sad" when in reality, there are much better words that could have been used.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:18 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Mr Chang stated...I went with an iPad with data.

    Now I understand why you thought I was using wifi... I have an ipad as well and can connect to the internet at hotspots and is a great tool… unfortunately, when I am on a bus without wifi, I cannot use my ipad.
    I also like to pay for what I use and do not often use free wifi anywhere. I pay more to be independent and connected 24/7 no matter where I am… I use my ipad when appropriate.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:54 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    "I was not using anyone's wifi"So out of all of the people who hang out near the Lodi Library...Using their personal data devices...
    Accessing the FREE GOVERNMENT SPONSORED INTERNET CONNECTION...

    You were the only one using his own data plan???


    I do not know what others do Mr Chang. I know what I do. You asked why I was using free wifi?... I was n't...I have a built in air card installed in my lap top. When I turn on my computer, internet is automatic. I was only in that area because it had a comfortable bench to sit under some nice shade. It also is close to my office and quick to get there.

    Wifi would require more time to use. Since I have internet connections 24/7 without wifi, why in the world would I be so silly as to use something I do not need?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:51 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1521

    I got to agree with Joanne, Obama has an almost 20 % lead over Romney in California with two weeks left California will be sending 55 Electoral Votes his way. All of today's letters are kind of pointless maybe everybody should have sent them to Iowa.
    Maybe Hilary can give him an ambassadorship to Indonesia in 2016?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:23 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Sad is hardly the word for it, Mr. Baumbach. I value my right to vote and the knowledge that it will be counted; even though it might not count as the majority may vote against me. How hypocritical of any of us who teach our children that it is not only our right but our responsibility to vote - but since the Electoral College will have the state in which I live go against my desires, that my vote is meaningless.

    I remember well while serving with the Air Force in Germany in the early 80's the commercials we'd see on AFN that we were all "One in a Million" when it came to our vote. We weren't naive of course - we knew that unless the general elections were too close to call without the overseas military vote, mine might not have even been in the final tally. That didn't matter to me as I have voted in every general election since Ford lost to Carter. Since that election until this one, I've never felt that it was meaningless. How arrogant of anyone to suggest otherwise. It’s obvious that those who truly believe this simply don’t understand what it means to be an American. It’s far more than just filling in a bubble on a ballot. It’s exercising my innate right to do it that makes this nation great.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:15 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Darrell said: "No one should be scared of the Muslim faith"

    If that's the way you truly feel...

    Why are you always silent when members of your peer group...

    Go on their Islam-phobic rants and diatribes??

    [huh]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:04 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated... Evangelical Christians stated emphatically they would NOT vote for Willard because he belongs to a CULT... (Mormonism)

    Ms Bobin has claims she sees bigots around every corner in Lodi... now she is trying to spread rumor that being a Mormon indicates some sort of Cult like behavior...

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-blogger-endorses-romney-debunks-cant-vote-for-mormon-belief-83305/


    A popular Christian blogger says he's voting for Mitt Romney and is challenging notions that Christians should sit out this year's election or that they shouldn't vote for the GOP presidential candidate because he's a Mormon.

    In a series of blog posts, Frank Turk listed several reasons on Pyromaniacs why he's voting for and endorsing a "Mormon son of a Mormon who was not very conservative in Massachusetts and has not demonstrated very safely-right ideology in governing in the past."

    One of those reasons is abortion.

    Turk recognized that there are some Christians who will either try to vote for a third party candidate or not vote at all because both Romney and President Obama support abortions, though Romney only approves of it in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother.

    For many Christians, abortion is murder, immoral and sinful and voting for a candidate who supports abortion would be wrong.

    So by not voting, these Christians "protect their holiness."

    Follow us


    Turk offers: "Doing nothing and calling it a moral victory is cowardly. It may actually be evil. But if it is nothing else, it is certainly this: failing to do as much as possible to make a difference toward the improvement of those things which you can effect and can make better.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:47 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    How sad that Ms Bobin thinks a vote is meaningless unless the results we desire takes place... I vote no matter the result and appreciate the opportunity to participate in the process. Mr Kinderman's vote has just as much meaning no matter the results.[thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:43 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...And I, for one, am personally tired of your tactic of trying to "scare" people by making the "Obama/Muslim" connection repeatedly in your letters. You must believe that LNS readers are so ignorant that they will believe your nonsense

    Actually Ms Bobin, I have the up most respect and appreciation of the readers. Based on the feedback I get from people who follow my postings, they do not have difficulties as you do in comprehending the content and intent of my posts.

    As far as your perception above, it is bizarre. In no way am I trying to scare anyone. I am only attempting to educate by posting truth. I did not say Barack Obama is a bad person or would not make a good president. I simply stated he would be better suited to be president in Indonesia based on what Obama wrote in his book”Dreams from My Father” and the various people that he claims is important to his personal and politic views.

    No one should be scared of the Muslim faith. When I go to Malaysia which is governed by Sharia Law, I am comfortable and not scared... (but then again if I were a woman I might be scared)...I think people should vote against Barack Obama because he has failed and incompetent no matter what his religion.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:36 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "I was not using anyone's wifi"

    So out of all of the people who hang out near the Lodi Library...

    Using their personal data devices...

    Accessing the FREE GOVERNMENT SPONSORED INTERNET CONNECTION...

    You were the only one using his own data plan???

    OK, fine. I understand perfectly.


    [wink]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:31 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...That sunshine must have been blinding, Mr. Baumbach, because you previously wrote:

    "No, the Muslim faith and principles that Obama and most of his family live by and/or appreciate is what everyone should respect and focus on. Again, thanks for your help Mr Lucas! "
    You need to get your story straight once and for all, Mr. Baumbach. Which quote is "correct?" The former, or the latter?

    Thank you for the opportunity to help you with understanding the obvious...My post is very clear in stating that I do not know one way or the other if Obama is Muslim or not... because Ms Bobin has difficulty comprehending the English language, I will help her out...

    Let us look at the sentence in question... “No, the Muslim faith and principles that Obama and most of his family live by and/or appreciate “... notice the “and/or appreciates”... because I was referring to a group of people important to Barack, I stated and/or... Barack himself has stated “ “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer” which demonstrates that he appreciates the Muslim religion. The “and” part of the statement may not apply... the “or” appreciates does apply based on Obama's own words.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:28 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "pays $69.00 a month to AT&T"

    Not a good rate.

    Besides bulky laptops with plastic "antennas" that protrude...

    Are so yesterday, Dude.

    I went with an iPad with data.

    [wink]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:05 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "I know you are not suggesting that president Obama is a Muslim and clearly neither did I or do I... "

    That sunshine must have been blinding, Mr. Baumbach, because you previously wrote:

    "No, the Muslim faith and principles that Obama and most of his family live by and/or appreciate is what everyone should respect and focus on. Again, thanks for your help Mr Lucas! "

    You need to get your story straight once and for all, Mr. Baumbach. Which quote is "correct?" The former, or the latter?

    And I, for one, am personally tired of your tactic of trying to "scare" people by making the "Obama/Muslim" connection repeatedly in your letters. You must believe that LNS readers are so ignorant that they will believe your nonsense. And certainly - that belief of yours, if it is correct, would actually confirm all of my former statements about bigots in Lodi.

    Thanks for your confirmation and support, Mr. Baumbach!!

    Funny - I caught the last ten minutes of a documentary last night about Willard Mitt Romney's relationship with his Mormon faith in which Evangelical Christians stated emphatically they would NOT vote for Willard because he belongs to a CULT. Many Evangelicals have this belief - does that mean they are correct, as you believe YOU are correct about Obama being a "secret" Muslim?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:58 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    thanks for the suggestion Ms Bobin... you are so right, I should discuss that... I'll rewrite it today

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:54 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Funny - I thought that President Obama was running against John McCain - not George Walker Bush.

    Exactly my point Ms Bobin. Obama was/is running against McCain/Romney and not George W... which is why it so bizarre that Obama and his liberal followers constantly blame George Bush for ancient history... This is Obama's economy and his policies are the subject.

    The election should be about Obama's accomplishments... every Obama speech should be about all that he has done and the benefits of his actions... but the only thing we hear are wah wah wah wah sounds coming from Barack the child complaining about what Bush did... not what he did.

    The sounds of silence are deafening.. why are so many Democrats who voted for Obamacare running...no sprinting in the opposite direction.. even McNerney, our pretend representative that voted for Obamacare is hiding under a rock somewhere hoping the election is over soon...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:49 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Okay, you’ve all just witnessed from afar one more Lodi vote cast for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. As for the rest of the ballot, I think I’ll keep it a secret for now."

    Unless the presidential election comes down to deciding on the number of popular votes, Mr. Kinderman's vote is virtually meaningless since California will vote blue as usual.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:44 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang stated...Dude, if you "Love" your air card so much... Why are you sponging off the library's free WiFi??

    Mr Chang is not up on all those new fan-dangle tech thingees I guess. Mr Chang, when one
    pays $69.00 a month to AT&T for an air card, they can go anywhere in the AT&T cell phone range and connect to the internet. I was not using anyone's wifi Mr Chang.

    Since I travel so often, I pay even more so I can travel my train and bus and have access without wifi.

    In Thailand and Malaysia, I never miss a beat and use AT&T,Skype and Mikogo to stay in touch with everyone 24/7... why do you think I post on LNS from remote areas Mr Chang?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    A "speech?" Oh, I hope this is a live opportunity to speak nonsense about "Death Panels" and not another "letter."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:27 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "However, the rank and file liberal and media was indeed horrified and embarrassed. They enthusiastically voted for Obama with this issue in mind."

    Funny - I thought that President Obama was running against John McCain - not George Walker Bush. I cannot imagine why anyone would have been "horrified and embarassed?"

    Oh, that's right - McCain's running mate was Sarah Palin! Enough said.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:57 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "under some shade trees out side Lodi Library... Love my lap top with my air card"

    Dude, if you "Love" your air card so much...

    Why are you sponging off the library's free WiFi??

    I think I hear the sound of chickens (freedom) again, or at least "chicks"...

    Cheep cheep cheep.

    It seems ironic that our most conservative blogger here...

    Specifically drives to the Lodi Library to get access to the...

    FREE GOVERNMENT SPONSORED INTERNET CONNECTION !!


    [lol]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:11 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    amen

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:04 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Lucas... thank you for posting what you perceive I believe.

    I always enjoy your conclusions even though it is a mystery how you draw them.
    I sincerely have not a clue about Obama's faith... All I can do is read what he states... for example...

    Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:43 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    It is a beautiful day today... took agreat ride on my motor scooter all over Lodi. The sun felt great and the air fresh and warm.

    Even had time to prepare a speech on Obama"not"care while parked under some shade trees out side Lodi Library... Love my lap top with my air card...

    As far as being over soon Mr. Chang, you could not be more wrong... the election is just but a day in time that leads to the next day... nothing is over no matter if Obama wins or loses.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:51 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Had I attended Ms. Madonna's concert and been subject to her edict to vote for President Obama, I suppose I would have given her the appropriate attention. But since there's no chance in Heaven or in Earth that I would waste either my time and/or money for such a wasteful endeavor, I'll just have to claim ignorance and vote for whomever I please.

    Since I have my General Election Official Ballot for San Joaquin County, California resting on my desk directly in front of me, I think I’ll vote for president right now – there, that wasn’t so hard. One vote for Roseanne Barr/Cindy Sheehan nearly executed. Just kidding folks!! Okay, you’ve all just witnessed from afar one more Lodi vote cast for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. As for the rest of the ballot, I think I’ll keep it a secret for now.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:40 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    You're right, Mr. Baumbach - there probably were many Americans who were embarrassed and/or humiliated by President George W. Bush. I stand corrected but only to the extent that you correctly defined the type of people who felt that way.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:37 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Mr. Baumbach to my knowledge has never said that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim.

    I've only proffered the notion of what "if" he is? Should it make a profound difference and if so why?

    As for whether or not Muslims are frightening, I don't feel that way. Again, why should anyone's faith frighten me? In the United States I'll still cling to my faith in the U.S. Constitution as it pertains to freedom of religion. As long as someone else's beliefs don't interfere with my freedoms, then I cannot imagine there should be a problem.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:25 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Beautiful day today, shame to waste it at the keyboard...

    And just for another round of the same old thing??

    Folks, the final push is on.

    So prepare thyself as it will all be over soon!


    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:55 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Hard to believe that Madonna would attempt to persuade 1000's of people in her concert to vote for Obama simply because she believes he is a Muslim and will vote for him because of that... from her thinking, Mr Kinderman is too late to the discussion.

    Maybe this is a good topic. Who am I to disagree with a liberal icon like Madonna.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:48 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr kinderman stated...who here can think of any reason whatsoever why a Muslim should not be elected President? The floor's wide open, folks - let's talk about it – civilly if possible . . .

    Excellent point and idea Mr Kinderman! I know you are not suggesting that president Obama is a Muslim and clearly neither did I or do I... however, their are some famous liberals who voted for Obama and still enthusiastically support him that do believe he is Muslim.

    Madonna recently made headlines by urging Americans to vote for President Obama, using somewhat colorful language. “You better [expletiving] vote for Obama, okay? For better or for worse, all right?” she said to a concert crowd. “We have a black Muslim in the White House. Now that is some amazing [excrement].”

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:37 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Mr. Lucas - there is no sense in debating the conclusions that Mr. Baumbach reached after multiple viewings of the movie 2016...

    Oh was that you at the movie house Ms. Bobin...I knew I recognized you lurking about the theatre during my third viewing. That's how you knew I saw it multiple times...

    I did feel compassion for you as the ambulance came to put you on the stretcher. They first had to pry your fingers from your arm rest as they were melted into it's plastic bar. I assumed you were so angry at the film that your body temperature was elevated. The sound of your grinding teeth however was quite scary as the attendant harnessed your head area to avoid being bitten.

    I guess you were very distressed at the thought of so much Obama truth flowing over the screen that you had some sort of convulsions. May I suggest you skip the movie next time. Your health is much more important than politics.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:25 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman stated...Bush's lack of oratory skills didn't embarrass America...

    Unfortunately, I do think many in America were embarrassed and humiliated... but in my view, it was by intolerant liberal people who have no compassion for people with disabilities. Clearly, George W was an intelligent and brilliant man who Graduated from Yale University (1968); and Harvard Business School (1975), two of the most difficult universities to obtain a degree in. Even though he faced a learning disability in his younger years, he was able to graduate from such prestigious universities.

    How insensitive and cold-hearted these liberals were in making fun of and bullying a man that found difficulties in giving speeches. Mr Kinderman is right, George W. would have benefited had he mastered the art of using a teleprompter as did president Obama.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:14 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If there was no problem with having a Muslim president, Mr. Baumbach and all the others over the years who have claimed he IS a Muslim would have no reason to pregone that theory.

    Muslims are SCARY...just ask Mr. Docktor.

    When JFK was running for president the question of whether he would be beholden to the Vatican - take his orders from the Pope, was thrown around quite a bit. He was the scary Muslim of the day. I don't recall anyone claiming that Willard Mitt Romney would be taking his orders from Salt Lake City (since I think we have grown up a little since 1960), but considering that the State of Utah has been governed as though it was a branch of the LDS church, the possibility exists.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:47 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Actually Mr. Lucas, I would like it if you would provide the proof where Mr. Baumbach indicated that President Obama is a Muslim. You don't seem to take his explanation as sufficient proof. I do (not that it matters, mind you). But still, if you're going to accuse someone of lying, you need to do better than "not good enough."

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:41 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Bush's lack of oratory skills didn't embarrass America. But since you raise the subject, what were the differences between Obama and Bush when it came down to their oratory prowess? In a word - Teleprompter.

    We know this only now after four years and two debates. Had George W. Bush taken the same advantage of this electronic wonder that his successor has, Bush would have been likened to the Great Orator himself, Ronald Wilson Reagan. But he didn’t and that is that.

    Let’s not kid ourselves any further. President Obama is not as wonderful as we were led to believe. He cannot speak without a crutch and even when he does use it his flow is the same – monotonous and lacking in innate skill. But that’s not what has made him such a poor president. It’s been many things that now have him literally fighting for his political life when he should be enjoying the last two weeks of his last election cruising toward a landslide victory. And how I would really love that to have been the case – but only if had earned it.

    Being the first black President of the United States is no longer an issue. We’ve done that and it’s good that it was finally done. But now it’s time to move on to: the first female president; the first president of Asian descent – the first Mormon President of the United States. Yes, that should be the “first” of the Election of 2012.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:21 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    So it's only NOW that we're questioning Obama's faith - is he a Christian, a Muslim or none of the above?

    The most important question should be does it matter. Well, does it? We've had a bunch of Protestants, a Catholic and now possibly a Mormon. Of the first two in the list we've had no discernable problems. Based upon what is known of the Mormon faith, what conflict might exist that should preclude Mr. Romney from becoming the next President of the United States? I know of none.

    I am NOT suggesting that President Obama is a Muslim, but since the question is wide open to religion and the presidency, who here can think of any reason whatsoever why a Muslim should not be elected President? The floor's wide open, folks - let's talk about it – civilly if possible . . .

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:04 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...not good enough. this is what you said

    I only said he would make a better president in Indonesia where his values, preferences and religion are already embraced by the people.You called him a muslim. period


    Mr Lucas... I do believe you are out of character today and flustered. I think it is clouding your comprehension abilities you normally are so good at.

    Like you said, I stated he would make a better president in Indonesia where his values, preferences and religion are already embraced by the people..

    I did not say "his religion was Muslim" .. I was saying President Obama is comfortable with this religion and would find it easy to govern.. Since Obama publicly embraces Muslim principles and since the people of Indonesia know he is Christian ( according to what Obama states) and publicly a proud of Obama, I am confident they would enbrace him no matter if he is Christian of Muslim.

    I was talking about the vast majority of people in Indonesia that are Muslims and practice that religion. Political leaders do not need to practice the same religion as the masses of people.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:50 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Mr. Lucas, do you honestly think I care what you think of me; that your "disappointment" in me would cause me to believe I made a mistake with my comments about Mr. Baumbach's letter?

    Well, if you do then you might be disappointed. Not only do I not care what you think, but I don't care what anyone here thinks of me. Why should I care? I don't know you; and more to the point, you don't know me.

    I've always maintained that I don't view this forum as a place to make friends or even create temporary meetings of the mind, so to speak. There are a few here who have earned my respect through their ideas and how they express themselves. Do you fall into that category? Once again, I have to ask why you would care one way or the other. The answer should be apparent, Mr. Lucas. So I’ll let you figure that out on your own.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:49 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...This is true that we felt that way ( embarrassed and ashamed)and that he did hurt America's image abroad. That was not the big thing. The big thing was his polices
    ...
    I can imagine that Mr Lucas, being an intellectual and scholar in the arena of liberalism and the evils of conservative thought, might think it was no big deal as it certainly was not.

    However, the rank and file liberal and media was indeed horrified and embarrassed. They enthusiastically voted for Obama with this issue in mind. Not one day went by during the presidency of George W. where the media and public did not cower in shame over what they perceived a stupid president in W.
    After Obama started his American Apology tour, his followers were very impressed with his teleprompter skills and no longer were ashamed.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:34 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Lucas - there is no sense in debating the conclusions that Mr. Baumbach reached after multiple viewings of the movie 2016. You cannot reason with an individual who thinks that propaganda movies are reality.

    That would be like drawing the conclusion, as Mr. Baumbach did with this statement:

    "It is reasonable and expected for one to hold dear the values and life they appreciated in their childhood. Why would president Obama be different?"...

    that Mr. Baumbach enjoyed, as he stated in his own words, "growing up dirt poor." That must be why he travels so often to the outback of Thailand to commune with the people who are also dirt poor and enjoy chickens clucking, roosters crowing, and growing their own vegetable gardens.

    Ah...the memories!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:36 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I am beginning to think you believe your own nonsense. You really think the President is a Muslim. Wow!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:03 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    not good enough. this is what you said

    I only said he would make a better president in Indonesia where his values, preferences and religion are already embraced by the people.

    You called him a muslim. period. Words have meaning. BTW How about answering my question

    Would one of our Conservative Republican friends please tell the rest of us the policy differences between George Bush and Mitt Romney?

    I will not hold my breath.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:58 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    The left-wing media and Democrats, having a superiority complex, were horrified that Bush, who had difficulty articulating his thoughts, was heard around the world as our spokesman. They were embarrassed and humiliated whenever Bush spoke, as they felt he was hurting America's image.

    This is true that we felt that way and that he did hurt America's image abroad. That was not the big thing. The big thing was his polices such as the war in Iraq, the doubling of the national debt, the crashing of the economy. Mitt Romney wants to double down on these policies. When it comes to ideology and policies there is no difference between Mitt and George. A vote for Mitt is a vote for George. I have to admit though George was not as good a liar as Mitt Romney. When it comes to lying and flip flopping Mitt Romney is in a class by himself

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:54 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Lucas stated... The president is not a Muslim. period. I would say shame on you.. (in other words Mr Lucas thinks I was stating Mr Obama is without doubt a Muslim.)..

    In reality, I have no idea if Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim or not. What I said in the letter was...

    “Since 85 percent of Indonesia is Muslim and Obama relates to and embraces the Muslim community in a very positive way, he would not think Indonesia needs transforming”.

    Clearly, I have an opinion that this man appreciates his childhood and looks fondly upon his experiences and family line who are Muslim by an overwhelming percentage. I have no reason to believe he is a Muslim as Mr Lucas incorrectly perceives.In fact, I would be willing to assume Mr Lucas is correct. Let us assume that he is not Muslim.

    If you go by a person's actions instead of words, Obama has demonstrated an appreciation of his family line and the Muslim faith they practice.. Is he a Muslim?... I do not think it important as this religion is practiced by so many around the world. Of course we all know this particular religion has proven itself to be peaceful and family orientated. Just ask any Muslim women living in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Iran, Malaysia or South Thailand.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:41 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Did you are did you not say the President was a muslim?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:36 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Would one of our Conservative Republican friends please tell the rest of us the policy differences between George Bush and Mitt Romney?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:34 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Exactly!, and our president takes that to heart as well does his family and friends. Its why he would without doubt appreciate and embrace the Indonesian way of life he grew up to appreciate! Great point Mr Lucas. I missed that one.

    Obama would not want anyone to perceive true or not that our nation was founded by people who held Christianity close to their heart and influenced who we are today.

    No, the Muslim faith and principles that Obama and most of his family live by and/or appreciate is what everyone should respect and focus on. Again, thanks for your help Mr Lucas![whistling]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Actually Mr Lucas, I had asked Mr Kinderman the other day how he liked his steaks cooked... this was his reply.. "Well done!"...Im sure he was talking about that and not my letter.

    You can relax and put back your faith in Mr Kinderman who I without doubt respect.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:28 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Yes! The liberal bogeyman ( George W. Bush) lives on! Thanks for substantiating the accuracy of my letter!

    I am not sure what I have done to deserve such kindness and help from Mr.Lucas, but I do appreciate his effort.[thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:24 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I am 110% certain that you sincerely perceive it is a lie. No surprise.

    Thank you Mr Lucas! Coming from you, it helps confirm how accurate I was.

    But what most confirms the accuracy of my letter is Obama's owns words he wrote in his book as well as his own description of his childhood and what it meant to him. Lastly, If one examines who Obama's mentors were throughout his life and read what these mentors believed and what they thought of Obama over the years, it all makes sense.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:52 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730


    this is a lie

    But how long must America suffer the policies and results of Obama's misguided view that America needs to transform in to a country that reflects his memorable childhood spent in Indonesia?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:32 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Brian, communication and articulating what I think so another can comprehend the intent is a skill I wish I was better at. I am never surprised when Mr Lucas perceives what I say is a lie when in reality it is an honest conclusion I have drawn based on the evidence before me...

    I think you drew an accurate conclusion.[thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:26 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Actually Mr Lucas, I was very respectful and complimentary to president Obama. I was saying he is presidential, intelligent, a capable leader, a compassionate person who is loyal to his mom , family and people who he has claimed important in his life.

    I only said he would make a better president in Indonesia where his values, preferences and religion are already embraced by the people. He would be better able to serve the people there.

    It is reasonable and expected for one to hold dear the values and life they appreciated in their childhood. Why would president Obama be different?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:24 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    We are on the mend right now. Slowly and surely we are coming out of the disaster caused George Bushes policies and ideas. As there is no difference between Bushes and Romney where policy and ideas are concerned I think it would be wise to stay the course. If Mitt Romney is elected I am going to invest heavily in gold. Conservative Republican ideas always lead to financial disaster. That is the history of our country.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:18 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.


    Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:08 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is just tripe. What would you do if I brought up the Romney past about Mormonism? You would rightly be outraged. Your assertions about the President are just right wing garbage and beneath contempt. What worse is that you know it. Like Mitt Romney you are not about ideas and character but about winning. Like Mitt Romney there is nothing you will not say in that endeavor. I really can not blame you for lies and innuendo is all you really have. Mitt Romney's ideas about policy are the same as George Bushes and we know where that leads. Disaster.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:05 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Darrell,

    Obviously John doesn't think Obama would consider these attributes complimentary of him. He couldn't be more wrong.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:59 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I'm almost certain John will take issue with Romney if he tries to blame Obama for the mess we are in if he is elected President.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:55 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    John wrote:

    Darrell says “Indonesia is Muslim and Obama relates to and embraces the Muslim community in a very positive way, he would not think Indonesia needs transforming”.

    -It's pure speculation John. What's wrong with considering Obama a good leader in Indonesia. He did say America is no longer a Christian nation. What that means to me is he feels comfortable governing nations not necessarily Christian. Now, give me some examples why he would feel uncomfortable governing Indonesia?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:49 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    I have accumulated other facts that indicate president Obama's world view is better suited for Indonesia... I'll post two of many.

    1. Barack Obama’s Childhood Friend Kristen Caldwell Interviewed By PBS stated... he told us that his father was an Indonesian king and that he was a prince, and after he finished school he was going to go back, and he would be a ruler in Indonesia.” ( this was said in Hawaii after he moved from Indonesia).
    2. Barack Obama said of his mother, "She was the dominant figure in my formative years ... The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics." … so what was Ann Dunham ( his mother) like? …...
    She was adamantly opposed to religion, even being described by Obama himself as "a lonely witness for secular humanism." Former classmate Maxine Box said of young Ann, "She touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue." While in college, Ann met Obama Sr. in a "Russian language" class. Interesting. Her dissertation was a Marxist interpretation of peasant workers in Indonesia. She routinely questioned Capitalism and Democracy and would ask, "What's so bad about Communism?" Needless to say, Stanley Ann Dunham was an extreme far leftist with a sweet tooth for Communist philosophy, and an utter disdain for religion.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:07 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

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    Jerome, I really thought better of you. This letter is nothing but lies and innuendo based on nothing. There are no arguments about ideas or policies. I am disappointed that you think this is a good letter but I am also disappointed I'm could be so wrong about you.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:03 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I wish you Conservative Republicans would get your lies straight. Newt said the President “"Kenyan, anti-colonial" worldview”. Darrell says “Indonesia is Muslim and Obama relates to and embraces the Muslim community in a very positive way, he would not think Indonesia needs transforming”. I think you need to get your lies and dog whistles straight if you are not just fool the very stupid.
    I also understand why you do not want to talk about George Bush and the economy he left us with losing 800.000 jobs a month, a credit crunch, banks failing, auto industry on its knees etc. This letter does not have one sentence about the policies or the ideas that led to the biggest financial disaster since the Great Depression. If you talked about George Bush’s policies and ideas you would soon realize they are the same as Mitt Romney’s policies and ideas. They are the same and if you liked 2008 you are really going to love the disaster Mitt Romney will bring.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:17 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Well done, Mr. Baumbach.

     

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