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Letter: Enemies will be created, lies will be spread and it will business as usual

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Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:00 am

Historical calamities which turn into total catastrophes are always repeated by the same suspects. In the last half of the ‘70s, Afghanistan had stability; its government was secular, the Afghans for the most part lived well, and they had good relations with their neighbor Soviet Russia.

Jimmy Carter and his mentor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, with his extreme personal hatred for Russia, brought down the Afghan government covertly with the CIA, with full knowledge Russia would invade, trying to restore order. This invasion by Russia only created more disorder. It inflamed the Islamic world and continued the Cold War to the lucrative benefit of the military industrial complex, adding misery and death to thousands which still continues to exist today in Afghanistan 34 years later — thanks to Carter and Brzezinski.

Victor Yanukovych was legitimately elected president of the Ukraine on the promise he would restore good relations with President Putin and Russia. The European Union and their marionettes, Barrack Obama and John “Deputy Dog” Kerry, were very successful in bringing the elected government of President Yanukovych down when the Olympics were in progress, again knowing Russia would invade to protect her borders.

Since the middle-cast carnage is winding down, talk of reducing the military has sent shock waves through the war industries. Thus they had to incite Russia, as America has always had to have an enemy and/or boogie-man to survive economically. Russia being a superpower gives the United States the motive to start a new Cold War.

The polemic insiders and the corporate-owned media propagandists will have no problem selling this big lie because the average American is incapable of any independent analytical thought or critical opinion. Therefore it will be business as usual — nothing changes

Adam Dados

Lodi

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19 comments:

  • Christina Welch posted at 6:16 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    Interesting...I LOVE this website!!! Ok, so there's like 250 documents and I totally don't have time to go through them all. Could you tell me where to go?

    p.s. I've always thought it's best to keep an open mind about things [smile]
    and I always love to learn about history...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:45 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    There is no need to wait Christina. The documents have already been declassified.

    http://www.foia.cia.gov/collection/carter-camp-david-accords

    p.s. Cognitive dissonance is abundant in this forum. It's refreshing to see someone here who doesn't suffer from it.
    [smile]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:23 am on Tue, Mar 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    Yes, according to Brzezinski and Robert Gates, that is the case. I will also await the further declassification of documents that can serve to corroborate their accounts. I do appreciate the info, though. This has been an interesting study for me.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:37 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    No, I am not trying to create a conflict. I am merely pointing out an historical fact. Aid to the Mujahadeen began before the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan. This fact is not a "theory."

    Yesterday Afghanistan. Today Syria.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 8:13 am on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    Geeze, Andrew, are you TRYING to create a conflict here? The Gibbs site did have the interview--from the French publication--and it did talk about Gates memoirs as the source. It also mentioned Steve Colls' questioning of the information & the need for more documents to be declassified (which I quoted above.) Gibbs site was really just providing the interview, it was not agreeing with or not agreeing with anything that was said. It wasn't an analysis, it was simply a primary source.

    So, yes... SERIOUSLY.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:50 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. Is this period, you were the national security advisor to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?"

    "Brzezinski: Yes."

    How does this morph into... "The Gibbs site had the interview, which I had already read, and it didn't really claim the theory was correct."

    Seriously? [huh]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 6:04 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    Thank you for those two sites, Andrew. They did not come up on my initial search. The Gibbs site had the interview, which I had already read, and it didn't really claim the theory was correct. From the site:
    "Washington Post correspondent Steve Coll downplays the significance of the CIA operation. He presents declassified documents from Brzezinski that express deep concern about the Soviet invasion. According to Coll, the documents "show no hint of satisfaction" from Brzezinski, regarding the invasion. These facts leave two possibilities: The first is that Brzezinski was simply falsifying or distorting in his 1998 interview, in which he implies that he did express satisfaction at the Soviet invasion and the prospect of giving the Soviets their own Vietnam. The second possibility is that the documents referred to by Coll are only part of the story and that other documents, awaiting declassification, corroborate Brzezinski's 1998 statements."

    As for the Nation's article, I found "Blowback the Prequel" by Eric Alterman. A very good article that does support the theory of US aid prior to the Soviet invasion. (Not an interview with Brzezinski, though.) However, the article is clear that President Carter was really clueless about what was going on, and none of the parties in the article blame him for the action. Also, I found out where all this stems from; this theory was first espoused in Robert Gates' memoirs--that was nice to learn. I should read it someday.

    So, I have learned a lot from all this, and I thank you for it. I think we need more documents declassified to back all this up, but it certainly has been interesting. If all this is true, though, I guess I am not surprised. The US backed a lot of covert actions across the globe throughout the Cold War, and Afghanistan may prove to be no different.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:18 am on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    -Chuckle,

    On a side note. Here's another bit of information you would deem as making no sense at all, Ms. Bobbin. We know all too well Liberals have no use for Black Republicans.

    http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYKKKKTerroristArmoftheDemocratParty

    KKK Terrorist Arm of the Democratic Party
    By Frances Rice

    History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. This ugly fact about the Democrat Party is detailed in the book, A Short History of Reconstruction, (Harper & Row Publishers, Inc., 1990) by Dr. Eric Foner, the renown liberal historian who is the DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. As a further testament to his impeccable credentials, Professor Foner is only the second person to serve as president of the three major professional organizations: the Organization of American Historians, American Historical Association, and Society of American Historians.
    Democrats in the last century did not hide their connections to the Ku Klux Klan. Georgia-born Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan wrote on page 21 of the September 1928 edition of the Klan’s “The Kourier Magazine”: “I have never voted for any man who was not a regular Democrat. My father … never voted for any man who was not a Democrat. My grandfather was …the head of the Ku Klux Klan in reconstruction days…. My great-grandfather was a life-long Democrat…. My great-great-grandfather was…one of the founders of the Democratic party.”

    Dr. Foner in his book explores the history of the origins of Ku Klux Klan and provides a chilling account of the atrocities committed by Democrats against Republicans, black and white.

    On page 146 of his book, Professor Foner wrote: “Founded in 1866 as a Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror‘ against Republican leaders black and white.” Page 184 of his book contains the definitive statements: “In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired the restoration of white supremacy. It aimed to destroy the Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.”

    Heartbreaking are Professor Foner’s recitations of the horrific acts of terror inflicted by Democrats on black and white Republicans. Recounted on pages 184-185 of his book is one such act of terror: “Jack Dupree, a victim of a particularly brutal murder in Monroe County, Mississippi - assailants cut his throat and disemboweled him, all within sight of his wife, who had just given birth to twins - was ‘president of a republican club‘ and known as a man who ‘would speak his mind.’”

    “White gangs roamed New Orleans, intimidating blacks and breaking up Republican meetings,“ wrote Dr. Foner on page 146 of his book. On page 186, he wrote: “An even more extensive ‘reign of terror’ engulfed Jackson, a plantation county in Florida’s panhandle. ‘That is where Satan has his seat,‘ remarked a black clergyman; all told over 150 persons were killed, among them black leaders and Jewish merchant Samuel Fleischman, resented for his Republican views and for dealing fairly with black customers.“

    Frances Rice is the Chairman of the National Black Republican Association and may be contacted at: http://www.nbra.info/


     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:36 am on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I sincerely hope you don't consider the University of Arizona a "conspiracy, new world order" type of University?
    [lol] http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview

    The original interview appeared in Les Révélations d'un Ancien Conseilleur de Carter: ‘Oui, la CIA est Entrée en Afghanistan avant les Russes...-Le Nouvel Observateur [Paris], January 15, 1998.

    Brzezinski also spoke of the covert action program in a 2001 interview with The Nation.
    http://www.thenation.com/issue/november-12-2001
    [ohmy]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:30 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    I was very intrigued by this quote, so I did a little research. It was supposedly made during an interview years ago with some French publication. The American version of the magazine does not include the interview, I guess, All the websites I checked out regarding the interview seemed to be of the conspiracy, new world order type; I looked for articles from more recognizable sources but could not find any. So, I think I will stick with the official version of history. Unless someone can point in the right direction to verify this quote?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:16 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid."
    - Zbigniew Brzezinski January 15, 1998 [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:35 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "How many people in Russia and its former satellites actually support Putin?"

    "Not many."

    ROFLMAO! [lol]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:01 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    Agreed. There were two coups in Afghanistan in the 70's. One in 1973 (which I have not read about any CIA involvement, but certainly did not happen during Carter's admin) and one in 1978, which was a socialist take over. The latter led to the Soviet invasion and subsequent CIA operation, but all factions were socialist and pro-Soviet. (The World Since 1945 - A History of International Relations, 4th Ed, McWillimas & Piotrowski, 1997)

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:00 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    What do you expect from ANY ethnic population in any country?

    When the world starts allowing any ethnic population to decide to secede based solely on their loyalty to their ethnicity, there would be chaos in the world.

    So glad you think this is a good idea.

    But really, do you actually know anything about the history of Russia and Eastern Europe and various ethnic populations and just how contentious ethnic loyalties are there? Didn't think so.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:49 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Sorry, Ed. Most of your comments in response to mine make absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

    As for FOX News, I watch it just to see what nonsense they are feeding the gullible on a daily basis. FOX hosts (Hannity, O'Reilly, The Three Dumbos, etc., and their paid lackies - Sarah Palin, Anne Coulson, various military types and so on) have been crowing about what a great leader Putin is while disparaging Obama's diplomatic efforts and his "Mom Jeans." - Yes, Mom Jeans. Really shows a great amount of maturity on their part.

    I have absolutely NO respect for these idiots nor for the gullible individuals who watch and take them seriously.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:09 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "How many people in Russia and its former satellites actually support Putin?"

    "Not many."

    NEWSFLASH Ms. Bobin...

    The Crimean parliament just voted unanimously to enter into the Russian Federation.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:28 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1115

    "nothing changes"

    It's another day and another eccentric writes another letter.

    This one promulgates a false story by omitting key facts. Nothing changes.

    "In April 1978, the communist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) seized power in Afghanistan..."

    "By mid-1979, the United States (think: CIA) had started a covert program..."

    Get the truth about "Operation Cyclone" here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

    [smile]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 2:43 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 492

    Boben, You ask the question, perhaps Putin is hoping desperately to recreate the Soviet Union, come to think of it, Barry is attempting to do the same think in this country. You go on to state that Putins theories are not credible, was thinking the same about Barrys. Concerning Fox news, you seem to know alot about a channel you hate. There`s no way an Ex-KGB can or will change, As Bullwinkle once said when he pulled a lion out of a hat, time to get another hat, everything is the way it is and will continue to stay that way, despite you rant.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:53 am on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Great, Mr. Dados.

    You, just like your counterparts at FOX News, are crowing about Putin showing how "leadership" works - as opposed to President Obama's efforts at diplomacy.

    Putin, if he were a cartoon character, would be inter-changable with Boris Badenov of Rocky & Bullwinkle fame. Putin is a commie bad guy through and through. Ex-KGB. Do you think his Cold War era politics and attitudes have changed?

    You really think that Putin is NOT the one hoping desperately to recreate the Soviet Union for his own glory?

    How many people in Russia and its former satellites actually support Putin?

    Not many.

    Your theories are simply not credible, Mr. Dados.

     

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