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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013 12:00 am

The countries I mentioned in my last letter, "There is not enough evidence against guns," March 13, were a few countries with strict gun control laws only. And there were many other countries with a higher murder rate per capita.

John, Lodinews.com commenter, I suppose you think that taking guns from law-abiding citizens will solve the problem. They are selling beach front property in — never mind

John, guns are not the only thing that is used to kill — ask the people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, the Twin Towers and Oklahoma City. I am sure Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols thought nothing of taking the lives of 168 children and adults, and without a gun.

Ben Coleman

Lodi

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116 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:15 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Thanks for clearing up Mike's "mysterious" poster conspiracy Simon. ROFLMAO

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:41 pm on Wed, Mar 27, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    ?????

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:41 pm on Wed, Mar 27, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    So, pointing out the that liberal media either supresses or under-reports chrimes committed by blacks is racist? Yeah, suppose to the liberal mind. You should have thrown in bigot for good measure. Racist and bigot are the "go to" words for liberals when someone says something they don't like.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:26 pm on Wed, Mar 27, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1502

    Dude....the ATF already knows about me. I have a firearms license.

    It's the sort of people who are always making outlandish (unsubstantiated) claims against the government that they are interested in. Basically, all conspiracy theorists. You know, the kinds of people who send anthrax through the mail. Or buy tons of fertilizer and diesel oil but don't have a farm. Or think the government is out to get them.

    That's who they want to know about.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 9:15 am on Wed, Mar 27, 2013.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 169 Staff

    When we banned Darrell, he asked us to remove all his personal information from his registration. We did that. Unfortunately, that removed his name from all his comments. I have found a way to restore his name to the comments while still respecting his wish to have his personal information removed.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:51 pm on Tue, Mar 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Just a suggestion Mike... Try visiting an old thread of your choice where you remember exchanging comments with Darrell, see the same avatarless profile and solve your over the top ridiculous "mysterious" LNS poster conspiracy...

    Need a link? [lol][lol][lol] ROFLMAO

    P.S. Did you know that "as a gun enthusiast, with extensive knowledge of firearms, tactics, ammunition, etc. and a member of the shooting nation" the DHS considers YOU as a domestic terrorist.

    Need a link?[sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:42 pm on Tue, Mar 26, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1502

    Joe: maybe this belongs on the other thread about Bush.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:41 pm on Tue, Mar 26, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1502

    Here once again, fighting Simon's knife as it originally appeared:

    3-26-13
    1641
    I don't see any indication that it is a post from darryl. And if someone is able to insert "posts" anomously it wouldn't be difficult to change the time and date.

    And an explaination, especially from you, makes it all the more likely that you, or someone at LNS has everything to do with it. It is what I would call a "conspiracy theory", if it was carried out by more capable individuals.

    And personally, I am all for DHS, and the IRS, SSA, TSA, etc. buying lots of hollow points. They expand well and create an excellent wound cavity leading to large amounts of blood loss (or exsanguination for the more learned readers) which decreases the amount of time the target has to fight back.

    I would suspect that as a gun enthusiast, with extensive knowledge of firearms, tactics, ammunition, etc., and as a member of the shooting nation as a whole, it is going to be up to us to police fringe elements that we may come into contact with who could pose a danger to civilians. That could include notifying law enforcement when we come across individuals who might make statements against the government or other entities and could potentially do harm. For individuals who are on the fringe (like you), government departments must protect themselves and their employees when someone from your camp goes beserk, like Timothy McVeigh. I have already forwarded your name to DHS to be put on a watch list.

    You can call it big brother, or you can call it a conspiracy, which you do in every case, but the truth is that these are weird individuals (occasionally pairs like in Columbine) who act alone. You and your fellow conspiracy theorists are nothing more than a bunch of nuts who see a big hand in every event and no amount of "logical thought" will change your odd minds."

    I can do this all day. Like andrew, copy and paste.
    I'm thinking Simon might have been the mysterious poster and the collaborator at the LNS!! Maybe alex jones will do a story on it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:37 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike, You couldn't be any more like the caller in the video. [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:33 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The "mysterious" 10:18 am Sun, Dec 23, 2012 post was made by Darrell.

    The "10 things to consider regarding gun control" letter posted Dec. 22, 2012.

    One day is hardly "long after the date posted" ROFLMAO [lol]

    P.S. Add another 360,000 bullets to the DHS ammo purchases you continue to refer to as "conspiracy theory"

    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-buy-360000-more-rounds-of-hollow-point-ammunition/

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:28 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Joe your walking that thin line of racist again. Yes this is America its just not the old neighborhood you use to hang in. They've grown up and moved on.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:16 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Walter don't hold your breath for a response. Theres either been a moose attack or an emergency transgender intervention. Not sure which.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:13 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    OK OK was there a response?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:25 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1502

    Why was the previous post deleted Simon?

    Do you know who the mysterious andrew supporter is?

    Why do you give approval to underhanded tactics like this?

    Is the LNS a newspaper or something else? Was a time not long ago this type of behavior never would have been tolerated.

    How can asking about mysterious posts appearing long after the story has lost it's legs, by an unidentified poster, scare you enough to that you can't address it here?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:21 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1502

    Re-posted after deletion by simon:
    3-24-13
    1822
    Maybe Simon could play investigator and find out who or how posts are appearing long after the date posted. Refer to "10 things to consider regarding gun control" Letter posted 12-22-12:

    posted at 10:18 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.
    "As with every tragedy that takes place in America these days, it didn't take long for liberals to advance their political agenda. It is refreshing to read posts like Andrews where facts are the focus as opposed to the typical emotional based drivel liberals love to base their decisions on.

    Good job Andrew!"

    These posts show up much later chronologically, yet are posted as though they occurred at the same time as the posts before and after them. There is no name for the person posting these, when you click on the "poster", no information comes up.

    And they are all in praise of Andrew. This is what I find disturbing, since rarely is anyone here in favor of what Andrew says or agrees with him like this mysterious weirdo poster.

    If Simon knows something about this, or has a good explanation how this is happening, I'd like to hear it. Is there a mole at LNS? Is this type of activity supported by LNS? It really lowers expectations of lively debate if someone at the LNS is actively taking part in this. Does the editor aware of this activity? I would believe it most unethical (regardless if the paper is privately owned or not), that a daily news paper would stoop to such tactics.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:47 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    Anyone notice the eerily silent liberal media regarding the black punk who shot and killed a 13 month old baby in a stroller? You can bet if the shooter had been a caucasian, this would be headline news for weeks. The liberal media has been told to "stand down" on reporting crimes perpetrated by blacks and blow crimes by caucasians out of proportion. Is this still America?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:17 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    They crack us up too Mr. Mauer which is why we continue to use their most idiotic comments in our Obamanoid segments. At some point you would think they might decide to listen.
    [lol][lol][lol]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:56 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Interesting development happening here. Mr Maurer has gone from promoting gun ownership via bravado and cantankerousness to now going off topic to repeatedpost making the conversation about himself. Now who is this reminiscent? Who else would think so partisanly that he would say someone who would call someone a brain-dead zombie was an asset to the paper after previously posting, in character, that he resents people calling others names? Who else is desperate to get the last word in he actually staates his last mistake(miss-spell) was actually intentional, and of all things for a laugh.

    Ms Bobin the evidence is mounting in your favor.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:54 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    A cool Chang beer sure is good on a hot and humid day.

    Bob, would you agree?

    [smile]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:47 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Now for an encore
    So I guess we can all agree now that Obama can't single handedly take away our guns as so many constitutionally challenged conservatives like to insist. As I said earlier based on what has been said by a seriously fractured cognitive processor our second amendment rights were never at risk.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:45 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    OK if we are repeating ourselves;
    What Reuters said Nov 7, 2012
    ""We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the (UN) official said.

    "We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.

    U.S. officials have acknowledged privately that the treaty under discussion would have no effect on domestic gun sales and ownership because it would apply only to exports."

    So what does this have to do with the price of kool-aid in China.

    Hillarys letter was written earlier on July 2012 which advises the president of the need to preserve 2nd amendment rights. Hilarys letter ends with a request for a reply from the president. Did you get that reply? It would seem to be an important piece here. Reuters response seems to acknowledge that the 2nd amendment rights Hillary advocated were addressed and expected to be protected. There could be other sticky points like a UN gun registry but the UN has a world court we opted out of as well.

    So since "...the treaty will be sent to the Senate for consideration." I guess it will be them and not Obama who will make the decision.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:08 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Just so you know, I deliberately confused Mr. Lieberman with Mr.Liebich just to get another laugh at others' expense.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:59 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You do not live in reality.

    President Pinnocchio has already bypassed the Constitution and single-handedly banned nearly a million American made rifles by executive fiat.
    [sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:53 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Oops. I meant to say that there is more than enough evidence to prove who Mr. Liebich is, not Mr.Leberman. The LNS must keep some around just so they can punch the "COMMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED" button for entertainment sometimes. Hmm, I wonder who that happens to, the most.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:39 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    I did not and will not supply URL because of personal info on Mr. Liebich that if he wants you to know, he will tell you himself. Let's just say that he is legit and an asset to the LNS and society in general. There is much more about him and what he is highly educated in than just infowars. As many times as I've typed his name, do you really think I could confuse him with a politician like Joe Lieberman? So far, it seems that some only listen to Alex Jones' "rants" and do not bother reading the associated articles,if they are even able to comprehend the"rants." There is more than enough evidence as to who Mr. Lieberman is, but some won't take the initiative to find out for themselves, they point fingers blame others, twist others' words,etc. because of their own deficiencies. I try to be polite, but some people crack me up (make weep with hysteria) with their proven infantile behavior.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:37 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    http://www.infowars.com/proof-obama-is-coming-for-your-guns/
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:36 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Obamanoids seem to forget that as an Illinois senator Barack Obama was an aggressive advocate for expanding gun control laws, and even voted against legislation giving gun owners an affirmative defense when they use firearms to defend themselves and their families against home invaders and burglars. That was after he served on a 10-member board of directors of the radically activist anti-gun Joyce Foundation in Chicago which contributed large grants to anti-Second Amendment organizations.

    Obama’s record as an aggressive gun-grabber is clear unless of course you live in a coma!

    Prior to the election, we warned that Obama, his Democrat allies and the internationalist gun-grabbers would move their agenda to disarm America forward if Obama was reappointed on November 6. Well, less than 24 hours after winning re-election, President Barack Obama’s administration joined with China, France, Germany and the United Kingdom, and more than 150 other governments, in supporting renewed debate on the proposed United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.

    Wilfully ignorant deniers see this Reuters article:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107?irpc=932

    What happened next? Well, 51 senators sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Do any of you remember or know what it said? Of course not. Well, the letter basically said this, “a UN Arms Trade Treaty that does not protect ownership of civilian firearms will fail in the Senate. Our firearm freedoms are not negotiable.” And for those of you so helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm, the letter was signed by both Democrats and Republicans.

    Wilfully ignorant deniers may find the full text of the letter here: http://moran.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=9cd86202-9498-47ca-8b8d-534bf60b52f7

    The latest round of Arms Trade Treaty negotiations are scheduled to wrap up on March 28. Should the U.S. delegation agree to participate in the agreement (and President Obama has instructed them to do so), the treaty will be sent to the Senate for consideration.

    Denial may continue to offer comforts many of you find appealing but in the end it’s still denial. 157 governments at the United Nations General Assembly’s First Committee on Disarmament in New York on Wednesday voted to disarm citizens.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:25 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Perhaps false flag chemical weapons attack in Syria rings a bell...[sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:03 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Ms Bobin
    I have visited "Infowars" site several times and recognize the pathos. I also got to witness Alex Jones reprehensible outlandish behavior on Piers Morgan. Just recently Andrew offered another video of the ranter who is the ranter equivalent of Avis; He tries harder. I'm truely sorry if this is Andrews bread and butter but the man is a sad testament to any form of journalistic whistle blower legacy. He will rise to the pantheon that includes Morton Downey Jr, and other cranky yellers.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:40 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    So I guess we can all agree now that Obama can't single handedly take away our guns as so many constitutionally challenged conservatives like to insist. As I said earlier based on what has been said by a seriously fractured cognitive processor our second amendment rights were never at risk.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:15 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Ms Bobin the evidence seems to lean in your favor.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:13 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Oh BTW I assume you didn't search LIEBERMAN the senator.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:11 pm on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Mr Maurer
    Name one
    Tis is the second time you cite google searches yet produce no URLs to show for it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ghostwriter? Please! What complete BS. Why not cite some of your "ghostwriting" Mr. Leebick? What name do you "ghostwrite" under?

    Mr. "Lieberman"? It is no wonder you found him. That is not his name.

    I've Googled Mr. Leebick many times and have never come up with anything on him except a short conspiracy feature on contrails.

    I find it very interesting that Mr. "maurer" (fake name) has targeted me for his insults - very similar to another commenter who has had his profile deleted from this site.

    While many disagree with his opinions, he only insults my comments. I think the LNS should look into this very sketchy person who claims to live among the moose but is most likely eating bugs and chili peppers in his favorite getaway.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:21 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    I found Mr. Lieberman quite easily before his last post on another reputable site. Some continue to look for 4 leaf clovers in dichondra patches.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:03 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    All senators take an oath to preserve, protect and defend our Constitution. I expect all to do so. I imagine you do as well...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:58 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Durp... [sleeping] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostwriter

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:25 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    DCS#!!!*@#&?_+## some more. Don't ask how I really feel about the other 46 senators who would compromise our constitution. They probably have voted favorably on some issues, but this was a major unforgiveable foul, and do not deserve re-election in my opinion. I would have expected at least 90 instead of the measly 53.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:05 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "And Thomas, doesn't "P.S. I work for Alex you brain-dead zombie!" really explain why you don't like Alex Jones?"

    Ever been to Alex Jones' website, inforwars.com?

    Search "Andrew Liebich," which I did couple of months ago and today.

    No results. Not mentioned as a staff member. What, any sane person would ask, would Alex Jones care about some insignificant chubby salesman from Lodi?

    Andrew Leebick only "thinks" he works for Alex Jones. A fantasy of his as real as the "contrail" conspiracy he also believes in.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:50 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


    What about the 46 senators who were willing to sign over your second amendment rights to the U.N.?

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:21 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Obama stated that almost all of the homocides in chicago last year (500+) were committed by thugs with cheap handguns, yet 30 seconds later he mentioned the Aurora, Ill. movie theater shooting and said that something must be done about assault type weapons. Automatic weapons are already illegal and the majority of guns made today are semi-automatics, whether they look like an assault rifle or a hunting rifle.We owe our 51 or 53 senators who would not allow a treaty to trump our constitutional rights a debt of gratitude for this bipartisan effort. YAY!!!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:45 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Saturday the Senate approved a measure “to uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.” By a vote of 53-46, the Senate passed the amendment to the budget bill sponsored by Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.).
    [sleeping]
    Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) proposed his own amendment “that clarified that under current U.S. law, treaties don’t trump the Constitution and that the United States should not agree to any arms treaty that violates the Second Amendment rights.” Leahy’s amendment also passed.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:41 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Chicago had over 500 homicides in 2012.

    The evidence for disarmament of law abiding citizens as a failed policy is overwhelming.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:56 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Walters a great guy..

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:52 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Andrew
    You and Alex Jones both when talking about Obama wanting to nationally enact some sane legislation on firearms start citng whats happening in Chicago or New york as some kind of evidence against Obama. They are totally separate. Chicago has its own problem and is dealing with it at the local level. Same with New York. California has its own controls that have nothing to do with Obama, Chicago or NewYork. Guess what, Californians still hunt, protect themselves and target shoot. We even have a number of people that shoot themselves intentionally or otherwise.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:37 am on Mon, Mar 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663


    What Reuters said Nov 7, 2012
    ""We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the (UN) official said.

    "We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.

    U.S. officials have acknowledged privately that the treaty under discussion would have no effect on domestic gun sales and ownership because it would apply only to exports."

    So what does this have to do with the price of kool-aid in China.

    Hillarys letter was written earlier on July 2012 which advises the president of the need to preserve 2nd amendment rights. Hilarys letter ends with a request for a reply from the president. Did you get that reply? It would seem to be an important piece here. Reuters response seems to acknowledge that the 2nd amendment rights Hillary advocated were addressed and expected to be protected. There could be other sticky points like a UN gun registry but the UN has a world court we opted out of as well.

    So since "...the treaty will be sent to the Senate for consideration." I guess it will be them and not Obama who will make the decision.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:06 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    ....And Feinstein and her staff were surprised because of the lack of interest and support for her gun bill by constituents and fellow senators that makes semi-automatics, clips that hold more than 7 rounds, pistol grips, personal sales, and passing down a gun from father to son(grandfathering) illegal. Also confiscation of legally registered semi-automatic handguns is in her plans.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:00 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    [thumbup]
    [wink]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:30 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike, be sure to listen to the Obamanoid caller @ the 6:00 min. mark in the video.

    He is you. [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:50 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Walter, I know it's difficult but try living in reality...[sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 5:48 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Thank you for the info,Walter, I'll check it out. I grew up liking guns of all types and shooting them target practicing and hunting. Guns have came a long way in just recent years not to mention in G.W's day. Happy hunting.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:24 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1502

    Thomas:
    I would have had my post deleted for saying what you just said, even though every word of it is true.

    "Making bad jokes, resorting to childish ridicule, ignoring cold hard logic, making threats, denying you are qualified to present the facts, even though the facts speak for themselves no matter who is relaying them, etc. Rarely will they confront the truth you present on its own terms. Instead, they will try to make YOU the issue of discussion, and not your information."

    Apparently, a different standard of behavior applies to the rest of us.
    If I called someone a "brain-dead zombie", my comment would have been "disappeared".

    And Thomas, doesn't "P.S. I work for Alex you brain-dead zombie!" really explain why you don't like Alex Jones?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:15 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    Tom, unless the house is on fire...

    I'd call the Sheriff and let county animal control deal with it!!


    [wink]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:14 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1502

    Finally proof that President Pinochio is going to take our guns away:

    http://www.infowars.com/proof-obama-is-coming-for-your-guns/

    It's right there in the title!!!
    It's on the internet!!!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:13 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    "imitation weapons"

    Bob, not talking about toys...

    Or those "musket kits" you saw in Sears catalogs as a kid.

    http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/muzzleloaders.php

    Much better then anything George and his army had.


    [smile]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:48 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Off subject story; A woman was driving home from work at night on hwy,41. A moose came out from the treeline at a full sprint, jumped hooves first through the driver side window, killing her instantly as her car stopped at the opposite treeline. The moose freed itself and ran off. Her car was totaled. I have 2 pictures of 2 moose: 1 resting, 1 jumped up facing me, ready to charge. Pictures taken 3 weeks ago. Now think(if you can) how awesome strong and defensive they are during mating season or when they have offspring.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:39 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168


    Andrew, you don't own a gun, do you??

    [tongue]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:16 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    G.W. if alive today, would be stockpiling military, not sporting goods stores' imitation weapons, and would revolt again, or settle a new land of freedom, if history were to repeat itself." Would a musket take down an 800 lb. moose that won't let you out of the house? Buy a musket, find a place with abundant moose who don't fear humans, since nobody bothers them,usually, and shoot 1 and see 4 yourself. I'll finish off that irate animal 4 u, or else I'll video the event and send it to your next of kin. Spirit Lake Is named that 4 a reason, not 'cause the name sounded cool.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:52 pm on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Not true. Besides, how would someone who, "never clicked...on anything you have posted." and "immediately hit pause and never watch videos" know what I believe anyway?
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:53 am on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:30 am on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Yes but can it take down an 800+ lb raging moose that won't let you out of your house?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:19 am on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Andrew
    There is no proof here. Just a raving lunatic (AlexJones) who operates on the belief that if he talks fast enough, interjects loosly associated ideas and raises his gravely voice you will be stunned by his performance into believing he's on to something. As much as he wants to malign Piers Morgan about chasing ratings that's exactly what he (Alex Jones) is all about: attempting to increase ratings.

    The only ones asleep here, or zombiefied, are those mezmeized by these wacky juvenile low brow attempts to pass misinformation as something bonified. It never ceases to amaze me how some are led to believe that calling another person or group names will display some intellectual elitism. You can't carry on a conversation with an idiot, a moron or a zombie so to call someone you are having a conversation with such names is really a joke on you. You are either attempting to elevate your self worth or trying to bully the conversation. You may get the last word but that can lead to a false assumption that you have dazzled them with brilliance but often its more like, who wants to converse in a one way conversation.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:29 am on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168


    "Irony"

    In the time of the Founding Fathers the guns were muzzleloaders.

    Today, they are few restrictions on the purchasing of muzzleloaders or black power rifles in America.

    In California for example, one can purchase a modern muzzleloader rifle and accessories either locally or online and have it shipped UPS.

    No background checks. No waiting period.

    There are some restrictions but mostly for hunting - minimum caliber 40, maximum caliber none, minimum barrel length none, maximum number of barrels 1, rifled (grooved) bore OK, conical projectile OK, adjustable iron sights OK, etc. etc.

    If the Founding Fathers were "transported to the future" to live among us today...

    All they'd need is cellphone or internet access and a good credit card...

    To buy the gun of their dreams!!


    [smile]


     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:26 am on Sun, Mar 24, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    Sorry Andrew...

    You only proved what YOU believe!!

    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:58 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Proof: Obama Is Coming for Your Guns zombies...[sleeping]

    http://www.infowars.com/proof-obama-is-coming-for-your-guns/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:30 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Facts are no match for emotions Jerome. Excellent FACTUAL post.[thumbup]

    The obvious will always escape the oblivious.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:07 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Duh. Air Marshals as well as 10,000 pilots have guns. I was pointing out the stupidity of gun grabbing Piers Morgan's comment Walter. [sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 6:35 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Wow! Ruined somebody's high.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:24 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Thank you Ms Bobin for your voice of reason.
    I'm sure MR Kinderman doesn't realze in his anxious attempt to repaint the founding fathers intentions with his personal warped views (as tea partiers are prone to do). It was never the founding fathers intent that the second amenment was meant to have armed citizens point their weapons at congress, the white house or the supreme court (which was a circuit court in those early days) everytime some yahoo like a MR Kinderman, felt their freedoms were violated or abridged simply because the world was not Norman Rockwell enough or hetro enough or free of any heretical violations enough for them. How rediculus. No the malitia was considered necessary since there was no standing army in case of invasion, as has been pointed out already,, as we experienced in 1812. No the founding fathers were suspicious of foreiign government and in particular the English. The history of European governments to war and infiltrate made it a natural suspicion. Not that we weren't guiltless when it came to stealing the freedoms of blacks and native Americans. Treason against our government was as valid a concern then as it is now. I am totally discussed by the continued fostering of some that it is a sanction by the founding fathers that armed insurection is a 2nd amendment right. Little men only think they are better or smarter than the representatives elected by the people of the USofA.

    I hope I can get a chuckle, feigned as it may have been, from MR Kinderman with this post as I did with an earlier post. Frankly I would never have thought the brooding, morose MR Kinderman was capable of even a half laugh since he only views his worlds glass as always half empty.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:15 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent comments, Mr. Chang.

    Unfortunately, most people react from emotion and ignorance when they consider gun legislation and immediately start screaming that the Constitution is being surreptitously undermined.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:09 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. "maurer" wrote: "jb: I have no problem debating issues with people that can think for themselves, like Mr.Lucas, who did not depend on onesided websites to state his case and used his personal opinions and experiences instead, the same as I did."

    Just an FYI, Mr. Maurer - I don't rely on "one sided websites" or any websites for that matter unless I want to verify information before I put erroneous info in a post. I don't copy and paste. I don't pre-write my comments in MS Word, like Mr. Kinderman and then copy and paste.

    I comment only with MY opinions and don't make up my own facts like some here do.

    If that offends you, sorry about that. Those are the hazards of commenting here.

    And when one begins to think that they are the self-appointed arbiter of what others have written or thinks they know where they got their information or how they have reached a particular conclusion, it is time to take a break and reflect on the insignificance of one's self.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:49 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    Way to go WA

     
  • robert maurer posted at 12:18 pm on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Doggone it Mr. Chang: it pains me to say it, but your view and mine are identical on the personal gun ownership topic. Well done. Thanks to those who pushed my thought process a little further than its myopic view.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:55 am on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    Folks, why are the GUN RIGHTS bloggers who own NO GUNS always the most prolific posters in these discussions?

    They're ignorant of California's gun laws and regulations.

    They've had no experience with gun enthusiast, collectors or hunters. They've perhaps never been to a gun store, a gun range or on a hunt. They may have never taken a gun or hunting safety class. They definitely never made a gun purchase - providing identification, providing proof of residency, filling out numerous forms, providing a thumb print, taking an written examination (handgun), showing gun handling competency (handgun), paying the taxes and fees, and then finally WAITING TEN DAYS to take delivery of your purchase.

    I'm a gun enthusiast, collector and hunter.

    I do not need flash suppressors, pistol grips or 20 round magazines.

    If Washington comes up anything like California's laws - that would be a good thing.


    [thumbup]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:43 am on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    jb: I have no problem debating issues with people that can think for themselves, like Mr.Lucas, who did not depend on onesided websites to state his case and used his personal opinions and experiences instead, the same as I did. Look how that turned out. He may not agree with much of what I wrote, the same as I don't agree with much of what he writes, but I believe deep down that he and most others on this site good people. I did not deliberately insult him or call him names, nor did he delibreately insult me or call me names. We got past that childness and had a respectful,thoughtful debate. Whether we agree or disagree, we gave each other food for thought, and I respect people like that, however I do not and will not respect arrogant, condescending people who have nothing to add, but just do the namecalling and discouragement routine and pretend that they are oh so clever.Now that's a disgrace.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:04 am on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Sorry about that typo. not intended. Keyword shadyhook takes you to the appropriate headings, "Sandyhook." As I just said, that was not intended, but now that I think about it, it seems appropriate. The real disgrace is those who have to tow any party line and don't think for themselves. A lyric in a Nina Gordon song says it best:" it is wicked to be so stupid and it's stupid to be so dumb."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:42 am on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    What baloney. Another conspiracy theorist here is just what we don't need.

    By referring to Sandy Hook as "shadyhook" you are spitting on the graves of all 26 people killed that day.

    What a disgrace.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:20 am on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    The shadyhook story has changed several times since the original coverage. I watched the original coverage as it unfolded and cut into a tv program. Originally, the first responding officers claimed that 2-9mm. handguns with multiple clips were used and a shotgun was found in the perp's vehicle. Now there are claims that multiple weapons were used and to make the story make sense, another story claims that an AR15 with multiple clips was used. Question: was the perp's mom a gun collector/enthusiast? If not, why would a female gradeschool teacher own assault weapons? There are so many theories and questions about the incident that we will probably never know the truth, but Rahm Emanuel's comment speaks volumes to me: "don't let a good crisis go to waste." The best way to take advantage of a crisis is to offer multiple stories to create confusion to achieve an agenda in my opinion. I mentioned earlier about the explosive devices found at a few Washington high schools and the 1 that detonated after school, causing major damage, but no injuries. Something's up. Google shadyhook and read all the articles, then check out shadyhook conspiracy and a u-tube audio-video appears which should make us all think.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:11 am on Sat, Mar 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "If we keep abrogating our rights as the "progressive" left is so wont to do, we will no longer be the United States of America; we'll be the United States of Amerika. But shouldn't that be so obvious by now?"

    Which rights do you believe have been abrogated, Mr. Kinderman?

    And as a person who has stated that he doesn't own or plan to own any guns, who are you going to get to defend you when your imagination has determined that the "progressives" have taken away your rights.

    As I see it, and from your own words, it has been progressive policies that have made it possible for you survive with your current condition. It seems government is taking very good care of you.

    As for your "opinion" of the Second Amendment, fortunately we don't live in feudal England where governments and loyalties were changed more often than people changed their underwear.

    In the United States, armed insurrection, among other acts, is called treason.

    That is exactly what Jefferson Davis was charged with after the Civil War.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:17 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    “Opinions” – I suppose it just comes down to what one chooses to believe.

    “VI. CONCLUSION

    “English history made two things clear to the American revolutionaries: force of arms was the only effective check on government, and standing armies threatened liberty. Recognition of these premises meant that the force of arms necessary to check government had to be placed in the hands of citizens. The English theorists Blackstone and Harrington advocated these tenants. Because the public purpose of the right to keep arms was to check government, the right necessarily belonged to the individual and, as a matter of theory, was thought to be absolute in that it could not be abrogated by the prevailing rulers.
    “These views were adopted by the framers, both Federalists and Antifederalists. Neither group trusted government. Both believed the greatest danger to the new republic was tyrannical government and that the ultimate check on tyranny was an armed population. It is beyond dispute that the second amendment right was to serve the same public purpose as advocated by the English theorists. The check on all government, not simply the federal government, was the armed population, the militia. Government would not be accorded the power to create a select militia since such a body would become the government's instrument. The whole of the population would comprise the militia. As the constitutional debates prove, the framers recognized that the common public purpose of preserving freedom would be served by protecting each individual's right to arms, thus empowering the people to resist tyranny and preserve the republic. The intent was not to create a right for other (p.1039)governments, the individual states; it was to preserve the people's right to a free state, just as it says.” (http://www.guncite.com/journals/vandhist.html)

    By the way, as our government exists today I simply don't trust it. If we keep abrogating our rights as the "progressive" left is so wont to do, we will no longer be the United States of America; we'll be the United States of Amerika. But shouldn't that be so obvious by now?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:46 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why not address the real issue?

    Americans consume more psychotropic drugs than any other country in the world. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), prescriptions for antidepressants had risen in this country by 400% since 1988.

    “America’s number one cause of unnatural death now is suicide…I want to get people off pills that the insert says will make you commit suicide and kill people. I want to blame the real culprit — suicide pills! Mass murder pills!” -Alex on Piers Morgan Tonight

    The website SSRI Stories.com has compiled a horrifically long list of violent episodes including school shootings, murders and suicides, and linked each event to what anti-psychotic medication(s) the perpetrator was on or withdrawing from.

    WAKE-UP!!! [sleeping] http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:18 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thank you for making my point if what you say i true. All good reasons for not giving them semi-automatic weapons.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:11 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ideas are what count not where they come from.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 5:06 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    read my 3:32 post,WC.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:49 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    John; thanks for the propers. Likewise. Most Lodians are good people judging from my lifetime there . My personal beliefs come from both sides of the political aisle. Sometimes 1 side is correct, sometimes both sides are correct, and sometimes both sides are wrong in my opinion.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:08 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    There is something else to consider; we have had at least 3 generations of people using illegal and prescribed drugs. We have seen the effects of children born under the influence of alcohol,crack, cigarettes,etc. and it makes me wonder if some of the children who are now adults are mentally affected by this. Drugs, alcohol,and anything that goes boom is a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder how many deranged killers were suffering from these effects. When I was growing up, gunfights between gangs was unheard of as well as school shootings. Disputes used to be settled by negotiation or fisticuffs. Nobody died, but there was sure embarrassment if one came to school with a black eye or a chipped tooth. What the heck brought about these wicked changes in the mindset of today's violent youth?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:39 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    OK

    Not a very nice fellow though.

    But I wonder what one's motivation would be...

    Especially, when one is not a local...

    To post on other some peoples "home town" paper??

    [rolleyes]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:32 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    One of the bombs at a Spokane high school actually detonated, closing part of that school. Fortunately school had been out for awhile and nobody was injured. The explosion aftermath (dust and debris in the air and settling) was caught on video by a nearby resident and shown on KREM2 news last week. Most gun crimes are committed by pistols, not assault rifles,because they are easier to conceal. Dead is dead, whether by pistol,rifle, homemade bomb, etc. I fear that homemade bomb making is on the rise. Schools in Spokane are experiencing this and from what I saw, these bombs can be far deadlier than any gun, and there are stiff prison sentences for those caught with a bomb or possessing bomb making materials with intent. BTW, Joanne, All my life, minus 2 years have been spent in Lodi and surrounding area. When my work is done, I'll be coming back to the city and people I love.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:30 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    Hey boys...

    So Air Marshals don't carry guns???

    [huh]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:09 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Andrew; good one. I would have thought that people would know that the cabin pressure would be gone and passengers would grab oxygen masks to keep from passing out if shots were fired through a fuselage. I would have gotten it wrong if you hadn't supplied the correct answer.[lol][beam]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:58 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I do not care where you are from but I certainly welcome your comments on this site. I do not agree with you much but you certainly make this blog a better place. Your comments are clear and to the point. You engage in reasoned debate. Welcome.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    Ranch? Farm? Big difference from the great wild. I gave accurate info earlier. BTW, despite all the gun owners up here, The only shootings happen in the gang infested cities. Crime is very low, since almost everyone is armed, and criminals don't take that chance.There is an actual forested area nearby that has been approved for target practice by the local government for all gun enthusiasts,no matter what kind of gun they have. It is not unusual for a sheriff or state trooper to fire a few rounds with the public. Guess what? No accidental or deliberate killings. Don't get me wrong. I am not against gun registration, background checks, etc. but keep in mind that most crimes go unsolved, therefore, it would be easy for criminals with no records to still buy any gun they can afford.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:45 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert we live in a Republic and as citizens we participate in politics and vote. Laws are passed that reflect our politics and they have consequences. I never said your politics are responsible for a persons desire to kill and maim. I do hold your politics responsible for their ability to do so efficiently.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:40 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You said:
    John wrote: You favor a policy that makes massacres at Shadyhook inevitable.....That accusation is offensive to me and anyone with a conscience.

    Sometimes the truth has that effect

    You said:

    What in God's name makes you think that outlawing military style semi-automatic weapons will stop these tragedies?

    Human nature being what it is we can never completely stop madmen. However we do not have to make it legal to give them the tools to succeed in their madness beyond their wildest dreams.

    Robert you suffer from the delusion like many Conservatives that Liberals do not teach their children the difference between right and wrong. I would find that offensive except that it is so patently absurd it amuses me. There have been crazy people since the beginning of history and certainly long before Liberalism was ever conceived.

    Robert you are a good man who certainly has a conscience. You have engaged in a debate about ideas. That is rare for a conservative and I applaud you for it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:18 pm on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Many think the main reason for a well "regulated militia" was to put down rebellions against local governments and the United States government as we did not have a large standing army. Ironic is it not?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:38 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr.Kinderman wrote: "There is only ONE Second Amendment - it's simple, concise and it wasn't stuck in there to protect our right to go out and procure dinner. In fact, it was written to allow us to protect ourselves from an overreaching government."

    I don't know what they were teaching at that fancy private boarding school for "poor orphans" back in Philadelphia, but in my high school and college government classes the Second Amendment was NOT intended to protect citizens against "an overreaching government," which is exactly what all of the KOOK Militias want everyone to believe.

    It was intended to allow citizens to keep arms to PROTECT the US from foreign incursions, such as happened during the War of 1812 since the Constitution did not establish a national military.

    People such as Mr. Kinderman and his ilk always put forth this incorrect information along with their beliefs that black men like Barack Hussein Obama want to take over the US and dump and Constitution.

    Ignorance knows no bounds when it comes to these types.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:26 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If you don't live in Lodi, Mr. "maurer," why are you so interested in commenting on this site?

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:13 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    John: I don't know you and I certainly do not have to to reply to you or anyone else, and I will not take responsibility for anyone's twisted actions unless I am personally and physically there and fail to act. Talk about drones.....

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:08 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Lucas logic is amazingly similar to Piers logic...

    "Do you know why there are no shootings on airplanes? Because they are the perfect example of Gun-Free Zones."
    [sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:50 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    John wrote: You favor a policy that makes massacres at Shadyhook inevitable.....That accusation is offensive to me and anyone with a conscience.What is the difference whether it is 1 child or 20 innocent lives lost due to gun violence? What in God's name makes you think that outlawing military style semi-automatic weapons will stop these tragedies? There are many ways to kill. So far this year, there have been a few bomb threats here locally and on at least 2 occasions, a functional bomb was found on school grounds by police and explosive experts. Bombs are illegal here, so how and why does this still happen? To outlaw a specific type of weapon is like cutting off your big toe to keep stomach cancer from spreading. One child lost because of terrorism is one too many, I blame the liberal feel good society that does not teach personal responsibility and self reliance, but places blame where blame is not due. My last post dealt with a problem child as an example. My sister was at wit's end dealing with him. Without my putting fear of consequences for his actions in his mind,heart and soul, I think he would have been capable of unnecessary killing. Failure of parents,teachers,and anyone involved in children to take the time to communicate clearly between right and wrong are to blame since they are consciously or unconsciously teaching amorality instead of morality.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1168

    Complete a “Archconservative/Retrogressive blogger’s (or whatever they call themselves now) sentence:

    “But like a true American, I would never stand in the way of any responsible American…”

    …from MARRYING whatever kind of SPOUSE they choose. (Same sex? No rights in “my America”)
    …from JOINING whatever kind of CLUB they choose. (GLBT? Not in “my parade”)
    …from WORSHIPPING whatever kind of DEITY they choose. (No Jesus? You’re hell bound!)
    …from BURNING whatever kind of COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL they choose. (Burn days? Forget it!)
    …from OWNING whatever kind of GUN they choose. (Background checks or reasonable regulations? No way!)
    …from VOTING FOR whatever kind of POLITICIAN they choose. (Not Republican? You’re an idiot!)

    [wink]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:07 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes, it is amazing farmers and ranches in rural areas(like much of my family) managed to survive without semi-automatic weapons. It was just a miracle. As to these massacres just happening just the last few years I think you should look at history. Mass murder has been with us forever. The mass murderers are just better armed because your views on gun control prevail. You should be proud of because look how efficient your efforts have made that madman at Sandyhook. Instead of 7 adults and 20 six and seven year olds he might have only got three or four.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:03 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    This type of behavior started at least 30 years ago when government took the rights of parents to spank and discipline their children away,claiming it scars them for life and calls it child abuse. The children then grow up without having knowledge or experience in consequences. The parents then either receive a criminal record or are required to take parenting or anger management classes. The child then knows that it can then get away with murder and the only consequences will happen to the parents, while the child gets juvenile hall or extended counciling.Here is a true example that happened to my oldest sister in 1990: she was making dinner and told her12 year old son not to reach into the vegetable plate with his fingers until the table was set. Boy ignores mother and reaches into plate. Mother responds by tapping son on the noggin with wooden salad dressing spoon. Son retaliates the following day at school by claiming ongoing child abuse and relating lies to his teacher. The result: son is removed from home and receives 30 days of in-house counciling at mother's expense, while mother receives court date,a fine,probation, and a criminal record. Son wins,so he thought, until I gave him a reality check and worked to change his attitude by making him work with me on projects normally performed by men. When boy deliberately disobeyed me, he was threatened with what I call, "the pit stop", which, in this case, had nothing to do with racing. After 2 pitstops(the act of stuffing face into armpit) boy learned to do as instructed by family,teachers, and now employers. this story has a happy ending and now I have ordered the mags for his assault looking rifle. It took a lot of work to turn the boy around, but it is necessary for parents to be responsible and attentive,disciplinary, yet unconditionally loving. Now, you can read between the lines, the real causes of these senseless shootings. Many adults have poor parenting skills. Some parents are in denial about their children's behavior.("My child would never do that.") Some children lack supervision and appropriate activities. Some children are spending too much time with inappropriate tv and video games and not developing skills necessary to succeed in life. Don't blame guns. John, have you lost a horse recently to a pack of wolves coyotes lately? It happened to some friends about 8 miles away from me.Since you don't live in an area where the most state and federal wildlife areas are in the USA ( northern Idaho, 30 miles from Spokane,Wa. 40 miles from the Montana border, and 70 miles from theCanadian border, I can and will tell you that you don't know what you're talking about regarding any native wildlife,or their actions here. I stand by my previous posts and no, I will not reply to yours or anyone elses ridiculous posts, will offer a dose of reality from a different but very real world as physically seen through my own eyes.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:34 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Interesting. On the one hand you state that the madman at Sandyhook could have massacred 27 people including 20 six and seven year old kids with a shotgun or eve a revolver. Then you sate you need semi-automatic weapons for wildlife. Coyotes? Really I think you can do better than this though rampaging killing moose are always in the newspaper.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:27 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is useless to have a debate because you do not care to answer or comment on other peoples arguments. A debate i the clash of ideas and you are into pontificating right wing talking points.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:25 am on Fri, Mar 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Interesting. You did not address any of my arguments. You favor a policy that makes massacres like Sandyhook inevitable. You are saying that Sandyhook is the price we pay to so that all citizens can have semi-automatic weapons. The 20 six and seven year olds massacred in less than 5 minutes are just collateral damage. I understand your position, I just wish you would take responsibility and stand up and say it.

    I will give you an example of how you do it. Unlike many in both parties I am very much in favor of the drone strikes against terrorists. I understand that there will be innocents killed in these actions. I think the good of killing fanatics who, in my opinion, pose a grave threat to civilization and that these people need to be hunted down and killed. See how easy that is?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:10 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    By the way, I don't own a gun; I've never owned a gun; and I don't plan to ever own a gun. Of course I have my own reasons for making that choice. But like a true American, I would never stand in the way of any responsible American from owning whatever kind of gun they choose. This is what the Founders envisioned when they authored the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    I still believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness set forth in the Declaration of Independence. Speech, religion, redress and guns were four things very near and dear to their hearts as they remembered what it was like under the heavy fist of sheer despotism. God’s practically gone, guns are on the chopping block right now and coming soon I’m very sure will be a government that will want to simply keep us very quiet.

    Once it’s all gone, it will be much harder to get it back (if we can) than it was to give it all up.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:58 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    I had some very nice retorts for most of the arguments posted to this LTE, but when I took a look at the post made at 4:38 p.m. today I realized just how useless it would be to attempt a debate.

    To believe that there's a separate Second Amendment for “gun owners and hunters” (whatever that means); to compare guns to slavery; to even suggest that Americans take up golf rather than collect guns and oh, the coup de grâce: “Good guys with guns keep letting the bad guys get ther (sic) guns” (aka “Fast and Furious?”) - I was truly laughing out loud. But then I stopped laughing because this is what the left actually believe. And now I'm just shaking my head in utter disbelief at the utter absurdity of liberalism or progressivism or whatever they call themselves today.

    There is only ONE Second Amendment - it's simple, concise and it wasn't stuck in there to protect our right to go out and procure dinner. In fact, it was written to allow us to protect ourselves from an overreaching government. Liberals used to complain about the government getting into our bedrooms - well, they're pretty much in every room of the house now, and they seem pretty happy about that. Or maybe they just don't realize it yet. Pity.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 5:01 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    As I said, BLAME THE MOTHER. If that shooter would have brought in a shotgun that held 10 shots with double or triple ott buckshot, at close range, think about the spread pattern. He could have done what he did with revolvers even. Besides, where I am at a person would be a fool to confront the large wildlife with the pea shooters that only hold a few rounds. When an 800+ lb. moose is in your yard and won't let you out of the house,and is not a happy camper. Wolves, coyotes, and occasional mountain lions are common here and when needed, bolt action guns are worthless.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:38 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1663

    This is stup[id. I come from a family of gun owners and hunters. THAT second amendment right is not questioned. THAT second amenment is not being discussed. What threat to the second amenment are background checks? Weapons not used for hunting that are military in nature do not belong in our nighborhoods and schools. We banned machie guns becase it made sense. Even responsible gun owners go nutso. They shoot their wives, children or parents when they can't handle their stress. So why don't we just go after the bad guys with guns? Because we don't know who is the next to go bananas. Good guys with guns keep letting the bad guys get ther guns. Just where do you think the bad guys get their guns? Back ground checks is only common sense. Removing military style weapons from our steets doesn't cancel the second amendment. Look its all about toys. Military style weapons are just toys. As they say toys for men,as opposed to boys, just get bigger but guns are a stupid idea for a toy. Take up golf, please. I know you want to say you've invested a lot of money in your guns. But that is the same argument floating around when we wanted to ban slavery. They were a buch of screwballs as well.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:24 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are saying those kids would have been massacred anyway. You are lying to yourself.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:48 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 463

    When amendment 2 was written, a lever action rifle was radical to a musket too. Get off shady hook already. That shooter would have gotten another weapon or weapons from someone else is he was inclined. Why not put the blame where the blame belongs; ON THE SHOOTER'S mother. She was supposedly a teacher, yet she teaches, thus en courages her son who she knew was a mental case and her other son said so on tv, yet she failed to secure the weapons. Get a clue and get real. I am not and nor is anyone else to blame mr collateral damage.Thanks for reminding me,John,that I have to ship some AR 15 magpul-pmag 30 round clips to my nephew in California, who is a responsible gun owner. If he weren't, I would NOT grant his request. How many 6 year olds could a teen male kill with anything once his adrenalin and mojo were flowing? Ever fought a mental case? don't! They are almost superhuman once they lose it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:46 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Well at least Mr. Kinderman has graduated from saying that Barack Hussein Obama can single-handedly repeal the Constitution and all its amendments to claiming that he will now do it with the help of the Democrat majority in the Senate.

    I really wonder who the gullible people are who believe this kind of thinking. Mr. Kinderman must be surrounded by them because he keeps on insisting it will happen.

    Or does "Hollywood" get to vote with Congress, too, in Mr. Kinderman's fantasy world?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:30 pm on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome Kinderman said:

    The adage that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is very true.

    This is probably the dumbest statement in the history of conservative propaganda. There is such a thing called the 2nd Amendment. When it was conceived the was not such a thing as a semi-automatic weapon. We now draw a line at automatic weapons and that is legal and constitutional. Let us pretend that we drew the line and only allowed revolvers and non semi-automatic rifles. This can be legal and constitutional under the 2nd amendment. There is no way on God's green earth that the madman in Sandyhook could have massacred 20 six and seven year olds in less than five minutes.

    If you believe that everyone should be able to have a semi-automatic weapon that is fine and I understand where you are coming from. The corollary to your decision is that the massacre of 20 six and seven year olds is acceptable collateral damage. Please take responsibility for your views and accept your part in the killing of the innocent. If his mother would not have been able to buy these weapons it would not have happened. You and those who believe in the right to have semi-automatic weapons were his partner in this massacre and no amount of conservative BS is going to change the reality . You were pulling the trigger right along with him.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:33 am on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    This is not so much a letter to the editor as it is a letter to John Lucas, congratulations John.
    Jerome you just can't quite shoot straight can you (pun intended). You say that Ben should stop writing to the paper because he is preaching to the choir but I think you’d like him to stop because he is on your team and he sounds ridiculous. Kinda shines a bad light on the pro-gun crowd.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:47 am on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2367

    Mr. Coleman, while I would like to suggest that you save your time and effort by not continuing to write letters like this (as you are certainly only preaching toward the choir), I am nevertheless happy to see that there are others out there who still believe in the Constitution.

    Recently I watched a rather entertaining (but silly) Hollywood product called "The Contender" starring Joan Allen. The premise of the movie was what it might have been like in 2000 if a woman was chosen to replace a sitting vice president who had died in office. It and "The American President," while eye-opening in many ways (and like I said "entertaining") are also meant to gather steam regarding the nullification of the Second Amendment.

    During the vice-presidential nominee’s closing statement to those who were determining her fate, she stated matter-of-factly that she believed in removing every gun from every home. Likewise in The American President, during a rather moving speech during a press conference, the president sternly announced that he was "going to get the guns" (referring to some crime legislation he was trying to push through Congress). Both of these films were referring to weapons belonging to mostly responsible American Citizens who at the time these fictitious characters were insisting that those very weapons would soon be history, completely forgot about the un-Constitutionality of their very silly notions.

    Here - like in Hollywood - President Obama and at least the liberal-controlled Senate are sending the same message without describing how they're going to get around that pesky Constitution. Of course we know they're just using their bully pulpits in order to arouse the masses of mostly ignorant Americans to begin chanting "Get those guns, get those guns!!" but knowing full well that without rescinding the Second Amendment AND with a conservative-led Supreme Court, their chances of doing so are quite slim.
    It's sad (but always predictable) when a catastrophe is turned into a chance to politicize a problem. Is there a "gun" problem out there? Those on the left would love for everyone to believe so. But just like the millions of illegal aliens walking around out there with seemingly impunity, so are the millions of illegal weapons in the hands of those who either have no legal right to possess them (through previous crimes) or are planning on committing crimes and have likely gotten hold of their weapons through illegal means. What this means is that as those who have registered their weapons according to the law, there will be virtually no way to keep the government from seizing them.

    The adage that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is very true. If and when laws are passed that would have responsible gun owners forced to hand over their legally obtained weapons, it won't be much of a surprise when we learn that gun-related crimes won't go away. The bad guys (and gals too to an extent) will still have theirs and the government won’t have a clue as to how to get hold of those.

     

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