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Posted: Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:14 am, Thu Nov 1, 2012.

I want to comment on Wade Heath's column of Oct. 25, expressing his opinion on why he has lost faith in President Obama. Wade, you have a right to an opinion as well as anyone. As I read your comments your facts just didn't jive. What are your sources for news? Your statements sound like sound bites from Fox News.

President Obama has been disrespected more than any other president. You even referred to the president as "this guy." I don't recall you attacking former President Bush about his character, friends or his minister. A study done by Stanford Professor Jon Krosnick developed a survey — the results indicate 51 percent of Americans now express explicit "anti" attitudes of people of color, compared to 48 percent in a similar 2008 survey. We have come a long way, but clearly this study results demonstrate there is a long way to go.

Now I want to correct your comment: "I might give him a pass, but nothing has been accomplished." A lot has been accomplished in the past four years. He created jobs with an economic recovery program creating as many as 3.6 million jobs by cutting taxes, investing in clean energy, keeping teachers in classrooms and protecting unemployment. He rescued the auto industry, saving 1.4 million jobs. There is the Equal Pay for Equal Work Ledbetter Fair Pay Act; improving women's health — 2012 women's preventative services, protecting a woman's right to choose; and making health care accessible and affordable, and prohibiting insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions or canceling coverage when someone gets sick.

The President's plan is to invest in the economy with the money that would otherwise be spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, while reducing the deficit by more than 4 trillion over the next decade. Have you forgotten that the worst economic crisis in recent history was inherited by our president from previous administration, along with two unjust wars?

I hope you, Wade, will become inspired and more optimistic, as I'm hoping your future will be better as a result of programs in place to move America forward.

Evelyn Moore

Galt

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72 comments:

  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:24 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Ask me if I care, nah.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:21 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    nota matter of intelligence Mr Lucas, it is a matter of blindness on your part.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:18 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    You just keep believing that. People like you are exactly why it WILL happen.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:40 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Don't care mrh.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:12 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    mr Hu
    help the puzzle of thought and determination to find the truth.
    familiar simple sign language
    like you, don't like you

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:33 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "mr wang"

    Folks, do you know what the "Retrogressives" need mostly??

    Inclusion training. Pronto!


    [wink]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:05 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Eric, you have to cut Mr Chapman some slack. He only watches Fox and reads conservative outlets. He is like a Moonie.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:02 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Your response to the video clearly demonstrates that you are as libtarded as those in it Mr.Heuer. [lol][lol][lol]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:01 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    nope, not true

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:59 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Wrong. Pelosi and Kennedy voted against the war resolution. I am not sure about Reid. As to climate change, Katrina, Sandy, the droughts are just the beginning. Al Gore was, as usual, right and the pinheads that scoffed at him are wrong. In a short time all of you will be saying you knew it all the time.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:58 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Mr Baxter are you trying to tell us something. I'm not sure how you would know the sleeping (and waaking) habits of Mr Wa.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:53 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Mr Baxter when will you realize socialism couldn't ever happen here. Just like it hasn't happened anywhere. Do you recognize the strength and determination of our entrepreneurial people. History Channel has a very interesting series about "Who Built America." All the great industrialists (love em or hate em) who contributed to the building of America we know today. We have our determined and visionary entrepreneurs today like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, So socialism is only a scary idea to the uninformed.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:30 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Mr Gobbilty Goop is befuddled by the geat Wa.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:25 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Andrew your video is disingenuous as well as entrapment. The point trying to be made is Obama made decisions about BUSH policies that are not surprising alarming to the unsuspecting or uninformed. You might say, see you like Obama even though you dislike his decisions. Wrong! I too did not like those decisions that BUSH enacted that Obama extended but modified. This is not an issue that touches many people (especially young) and therefore are turned off to the things BUSH did. I am voting for Obama because I know what he stands for and now hes impressed a staunch foe in Gov Cristy showing Obama is a bipartisan president if given the chance.

    Of course new presidents don't start repealing previous administration actions. It makes for very unstable government. These are national security measures in this video that getting rid of sets the president up for big criticism especially if something goes wrong. If it is determined that these measures may have prevented a threat from being realized then really big criticisms. Or it can be used in prppaganda politically to suggest this could have prevented a threat from being realized (even if it had no relavance) then criticisms would be repeated on the LTE and Fox. Of course if no threats were presented the criticism would continue saying we were made unsafe repealing these measures. One of the reasons government keeps growing because someone has a vested interest in every part. Even the most strict advocate of shrinking government has a piece they will try to defend.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:04 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    The modern day progressive liberal makes Mao look like a Monk in deep meditation.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:17 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    No mrc...that is not what it means. Try again...this seems to be a pattern with you...a lack of thought and determination to find the answers or the truth.

    DB: According to mr wang...it is pronounced cryptically: garb and gib

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:32 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This message from bubble people inc.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:29 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Obama's been in office almost four years if you don't know his agenda by now you haven't been paying attention."

    I wonder if Mr.Barrow's interpretation of "paying attention"applies to these Obama supporters...[lol][lol][lol]

    http://youtu.be/Skw-0jv9kts


    P.S. Big Bird, Binders and Bayonets is not not an agenda Mr.Barrow. [sleeping]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:16 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Any of this sound familiar? Doesn't take a brainiac to see these quotes are apparently coming to fruition. Obama is bound and determing to make these predictions come true.

    "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept Communism outright; but we'll keep feeding you small doses of Socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have Communism. We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands."
    -Nikita Khrushchev

    "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
    Norman Thomas - 5 time socialist candidate for President

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:45 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    [tongue]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:36 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    I can't speak for Mr.Chapman, but I certainly know Owe-Blame-O's agenda. And every red blooded, patriotic American that knows his agenda won't vote for him. Anybody that thinks Obama's agenda is in the best interest of America has been stewed in liberal socialist/communist propaganda.Obama's top campaign aid is a card carrying communist as were his parents. We spent decades fighting socialism and communism and now we are electing them and allowing them to advise our government? Makes me ill just thinking about it.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:13 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrc: Tell me what this means: [whistling][tongue][love][yawn][ohmy][crying][smile][blink][cool][thumbdown][spam]

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:10 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrc: used...used...a statement completes the action.

    Cryptology (subject) shows a lack of...a statement maybe?...appreciation (action)

    A paragraph or two (subject) Writing (action)

    Incomplete Sentence: A brown dog with a bushy tail.
    Complete Sentence: A brown dog with a bushy tail ran down the street.
    Incomplete Sentence: The cat.
    Complete Sentence: The cat climbed the tree.

    Let's compare degrees...maybe educational backgrounds?

    Or you can just go back to school.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:08 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    When I said I missed you earlier, I was being sincere...I enjoy reading your garble and gibberish!

    [lol][beam][lol] What a wonderful delusion...[lol][beam][lol]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:41 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1511

    What I've been taking is called reality Obama's been in office almost four years if you don't know his agenda by now you haven't been paying attention.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:37 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Obama? Moral? Good character. Oh, Mr. Barrow, give me some of what you are taking, I too would love to see America through your altered state. We know less about Obama than we do Fidel Castro.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:36 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "cryptology"

    Pat Maple using two incomplete sentences to criticize my writing and language abilities...

    That's the irony of the day folks!

    When I said I missed you earlier, I was being sincere...

    I enjoy reading your garble and gibberish!

    [tongue]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:14 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms bobin stated...I can only comment that it is fortunate that Mr. Baumbach, who believes that "it was easy to determine Sadam (sic) was involved," has not decided to become a member of the intelligence community for this nation.

    but Ms Bobin... I am part of the intelligence community... and all along you thought I was busy keeping files manually on you... no... I have staff to delegate such activities to.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:14 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    DB: Good points. I would just ask...how is it to talking to a rock? Not that I think it is funny or anything!!! [whistling][tongue]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:09 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Please do not take my word for it... ask the Clintons!

    Hillary Clinton stated, October 10, 2002...

    “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including "AL QAEDA "members,

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:09 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrc...cryptology shows a lack of appreciation for or mastery of language. Try writing a paragraph or two.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:07 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Here's a fact mrl...your pinhead powers in congress like pelosi, reid, kennedy and 50 or so others are the one's who declared war...as is constitutional.

    People like you and msb, msl and mrc...like to obfuscate, massage and purposefully mischaracterize. The fact is that ms moore used as a credible source a climate change boob (mrk) that has had his research and results discredited and shown to be craving.

    This is a problem with people like you...you never address the lie...you just change the "truth" that is before you.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 2:48 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "I was flabbergasted"

    Dude, I imagine that's a semi-normal state for you...

    Just think how you're going to feel on November 7th!!!

    Prilosec HD, better stock up now!

    [wink]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:14 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    So true. The modern day Conservative Republican makes Richard Nixon look like a saint.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:58 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1511

    What I can't seem to get over is that many on the right think that Obama's record should stop people from reelecting him when it is exactly his policies, his actions, his character, and his morals that are going to win him a reelection. As Obama said himself today we know him we may not always agree with him but we know him to do what he says he will do. That's quite different than what we have heard out of Romney who has gone from misleading to shifting positions and now flat out lying (in reference to his Jeep statements).

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:50 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome said;

    I’m just hopeful that those states that hold the fate of our nation will consider his character, his record and not the color of his skin

    We agree!!! If that happened he would win in a landslide!!! It always amuses me when a Romney voter talks about integrity or character. The irony kills me. [beam]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:31 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    There are no facts to support that Al Gore would have done any better (or worse) than George W. Bush. As we've witnessed with President Obama, it isn't until one actually becomes president that we know what they will do. Consider Guantanamo Bay - still open, right? Well, candidate Obama was adamant that it would be closed during his first few months in office.

    To speculate as to what any other person would do if elected to the highest office on the planet is just plain silly. But it does provide insight into how most liberals/progressives think. Nevertheless, considering what Gore has done since losing in 2000, I’m extremely thankful he wasn’t given the chance.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:56 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    As a young boy in the 1960's growing up on the East coast, I became interested in politics at a very early age. There were two significant speeches that have stayed with me throughout my lifetime: JFK's inaugural "Ask Not" and MLK's "I have a dream" speeches. They were partly important to me at such a young age because I didn't just read about them in history books; I actually witnessed them on television. Their impact was significant.

    In 2008 the nation gathered to vote for who would become the first black President of the United States. The only problem was we knew nothing of Barack Hussein Obama - we knew nothing of his character. It was because he was black. Fine - I understand that and fully appreciate it. Of course when he received the Nobel Peace Prize not for what he had done, but for the promise that the Nobel Committee believe he held I was flabbergasted.

    Now in 2012 on the cusp of his reelection we still don't know all that much about the man except what he's done over the last four years. I won't reiterate what we all know of these years except what has developed over the past two months regarding the slaughter of our Ambassador to Libya and others and our President's silence on the matter. The facts that have emerged reveal a very disturbing picture of an administration asleep at the wheel; and four Americans are dead because of it. We can’t let this pass unchallenged.

    Honestly, if the record of President Obama was attributed to someone like George W. Bush, what chance would he have to be reelected? Not the proverbial snowball’s chance in He!! that’s what. So why is it that four days out from Election Day it is not only likely that Obama will win a second term, it’s probable that he will? This makes no sense to me. I don’t care that he’s black; I don’t care that Romney is white. I believe as Martin Luther King believed – that it should be the content of a man’s character that should win the trust of the American people.

    President Obama has had four years to prove we didn’t make a mistake – that’s partly what the first four years of any presidency is for. As far as I’m concerned he’s as untrustworthy a president as William Jefferson Clinton and Richard Milhous Nixon. California is a foregone conclusion – he’ll get our electoral votes. I’m just hopeful that those states that hold the fate of our nation will consider his character, his record and not the color of his skin. We’re beyond that now. Or are we?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:58 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chang - I can only comment that it is fortunate that Mr. Baumbach, who believes that "it was easy to determine Sadam (sic) was involved," has not decided to become a member of the intelligence community for this nation. He is obviously better suited for other pursuits.

    No "liberals" as you state, Mr. Chapman, deny that Democrats were on board with invading Iraq. What we, and the people in Congress at the time refute, are the lies that were invented by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld in order to get us into that war.

    In fact, Dick Cheney was so desperate to prove that Iraq was preparing a nuclear bomb, that he outed a covert CIA agent, sacrificing her identity as retribution for her husband's editorial in which he found the "Nigerian yellow cake" story to be outright fabrication.

    Let's face it, even George Walker Bush was ashamed of Cheney's actions since he declined to pardon Scooter Libby as he left office, further incurring the wrath of Cheney.

    Dick Cheney is a madman - he even shot an acquaintance in the face "accidentally," and then never apologized, but accepted an apology from the man for getting in his way.

     
  • Evelyn Moore posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    evelyn moore Posts: 1

    I certainly agree with you. It was a typo error. Your other statements are your opinions.
    I just don't agree with Wade. Here is one example that I know is false saying
    President Obama " apology tour" and as if the president is the cause of all the
    worst economic depression. He inherited a mess from the start but things are
    getting better.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:48 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Some did but I sure was not that stupid were you?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Baumbach, no matter how often you remind liberals they approved of the war in Iraq, they will always deny it. Here is a good video that is UN-deniable.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2hnfYJjXw

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:16 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    “it was easy to determine Sadam was involved”

    Darrell, seriously?

    You better lay off the “Retrogressive Koolaid”, it’s impacting your conitive abilities!!!

    [wink]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:11 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I wish I could believe you but I do not.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:07 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Speaking of Candy Crowley, during the debate, I am wondering just why she conveniently had the transcript of Obama's Rose Garden announcement on Lybia, AND, how did Obama know she had it? Remember when Obama told her to "show him the transcript" almost before her saying she had it? Sounds like there was a little "pre-debate" planning with the Obama side. No conspiracy there

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:44 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Maple said, "I think I'll hire a secretary to run my business, that way when it fails I have someone else to blame, point my finger at and tell my creditors..."hey, she/he did it, don't blame me!!!".
    What a novel concept. I think Obama simply draws a line down the middle of the page, listing good points on one side, bad on the other. He takes credit for the good, blames the bad on Bush, the Tea Party, Republicans, Conservatives, General Whoever or Hillary.
    I wish I had know about this idea earlier, unfortunately I had to "man up" and shoulder my bad decisions.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    Jerome wrote:

    Let's assume that it's true that President Obama had "[taken] over from the most incompetent administration in the history of our country headed by the worst President in our nations history," he knew precisely what he was getting into

    -Evidently Obama did not think of Bush in this way. The record is clear many of Obama's poliicies that did work are just the continuation of Bush policies.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:33 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Hmm,

    I can't say many of the statements in Ms. Moore's letter aren't sound bites from the Rachael Maddow Show, OR, straight out of the bowels of Candy Crowley.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:01 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Pat here is a fact for you. You right wingers supported the Iraq war, The biggest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam. I did not. If Al Gore the guy you right wingers hate would have been elected we would not have gone to Iraq. Those are the real facts. Al Gore would have certainly done a better job with the economy also. He could not have done worse.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pat stated...DB and JK: Once again you try to convince people like mrl, msb and msm with the facts...

    Pat, I cannot speak for JK, but as far as my intent of my posts, I never care or perceive that Ms Bobin and other liberals seek truth. My posts are to refute the misinformation they post for independent people who also are seeking truth.

    In my view, Ms Bobin and other liberals are only here to distort for selfish reasons. I have no expectations or goals to convince them of anything.

    Thanks for your thoughts Pat!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:52 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    DB and JK: Once again you try to convince people like mrl, msb and msm with the facts. That is like trying to fill a baloon with oatmeal...or mush as one famous "professor" put it.

    msb: A moron is vile? Vile? moron: a former term for somebody with significant learning difficulties and impaired social skills, now considered offensive...I am sorry if the shoe fits the party...and the current occupier of the WH.

    DB: very powerful and liberal Ted Kennedy...coward, liar and drunk as well...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:42 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I think it obvious that Mr Lucas represents to looney left that hates George Bush in an irrational way. Clearly, Bush had been president for just a few months when 9/11 happened. It then had his administration investigate and find out who was responsible...thanks to the Clinton administraion and their mountain of evidence, it was easy to determine Sadam was involved... after all,

    and Nancy Pelosi ... “As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

    Al Gore stated... “Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, 2002

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:33 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...the insanity of the Iraq war were good things but they do not live in the real world.

    Then Mr Lucas stated...The Iraq war was a voluntary war. The congress approved it but that was before Saddam let weapons inspectors in. The idiot Bush told the inspectors to get out and invaded anyway in spite of the fact that the inspectors could find nothing..

    but, democrat William Cohen stated...I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

    and Hillary Clinton stated...It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 ( Hillary should know since all she need to is sit at the dinner table as discuss with husbad Bill's observation...

    “The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:20 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Moore stated...President Obama has been disrespected more than any other president

    Mr Lucas stated...The idiot Bush told the inspectors...

    Than Mr Lucas stated... Bubble people think that the crash of 2008 and the insanity of the Iraq war were good things but they do not live in the real world.

    But democrats stated in 1998... “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

    To top it off, very powerful and liberal Ted Kennedy stated...We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:30 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The Iraq war was a voluntary war. The congress approved it but that was before Saddam let weapons inspectors in. The idiot Bush told the inspectors to get out and invaded anyway in spite of the fact that the inspectors could find nothing. There were many in congress and many like me who were against this insanity from the beginning. It is one thing to be a Conservative Republican and not have any insight to what might happen but to now defend the biggest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam is ludicrous. The proper and honest thing to do Jerome is to admit you were an idiot to support that idiocy and say to people like me" you know you were right"

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:08 am on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    “Two unjust wars,” Ms. Moore? How dare you!

    First of all, both wars were approved by Congress. The Afghan War was waged in direct response to the attack on September 11, 2001. I remember well the speech President George Walker Bush gave just more than a week after the event that certainly changed our country forever. He said the war would be long and it would be hard fought. He wasn’t wrong - Congress understood, agreed, approved and we went to war.

    The Iraqi War was waged owing to the unwavering belief that Saddam Hussein not only possessed weapons of mass destruction, but was prepared to use them. This belief was widespread throughout Bush’s administration as well as William Jefferson Clinton’s. Again, Congress understood, agreed, approved and we went to war.

    But what happened? What the president predicted actually did occur: the wars would be long and hard fought. But poor us back here on the home front became “war weary” and lost interest. But what of those who volunteered to fight those wars, Ms. Moore? Oh, that’s right! It was you and others who claimed that while you opposed the wars you supported the troops! What do you think that sentiment means to the troops? Here’s the truth Ms. Moore: a soldier, airman, marine, or sailor cannot separate themselves from a war. They are ostensibly “married” to it. What would happen if they had chosen to walk away because they were “weary?” Do you know what the penalty is for desertion during a time of war? The penalties can be quite severe.

    No Ms. Moore, those two wars were not “unjust.”

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:01 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Ms. Moore wrote: "As I read your comments your facts just didn't jive."

    "Jive," Ms. Moore; really? It sure would be nice if folks would at least attempt to check to make sure the proper words were used in their proper place.

    "Jive," does not mean "jibe," which I am sure the author intended: "to be in accord: agree." (http://tinyurl.com/bgknplp) Funny though.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:03 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome said:

    Of course I voted for him twice - look at who was running against him: Gore and then Kerry!!

    If you voted for George Bush twice it seems to me you should consider doing the public a service by never talking politics and certainly never voting again. Think of the good this would do for the country.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:04 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Of course I voted for him twice - look at who was running against him: Gore and then Kerry!! Oh yeah, they were great choices. Almost as bad as the guy Ronald Reagan ran against in 1988: Walter Mondale.

    But I'll head you off at the pass that I agree Al Gore received the majority of the popular vote. Of course it's the electoral vote that matters - that pesky Constitution gets in the way from time to time, huh? And Bush DID win in Florida - that state had its vote counted too many times and each one resulted with a Bush win. So please try as hard as you can to resist the urge to insist that Bush stole that election, or that it was delivered to him by the Supreme Court. As a result, however we’ll thankfully never know what damage would have been inflicted upon us had Al Gore triumphed in 2000.

    As for John Kerry - well, there was no argument regarding either the popular or electoral vote, so case closed.

    And by the way, I did not vote for Barack Hussein Obama in 2008; I proudly voted for the other guy and Sarah Palin.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:46 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang, same here, except Im still waiting for you to begin...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:45 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman stated... don't you mean 12 years of "non-stop, miserable, name-calling, hate-filled, invective-slinging years by them aimed at President Bush and his policies?"

    Mr Kinderman, come to think of it, its been 14 years... After all, President Clinton warned the American people in 1998 that Saddam Hussein's weapons of Mass destruction program that was implementing biological and nuclear weapons needed to be stopped... since liberals claim it was Bush that lied, it must have been Bush that lied to Bill Clinton long before Bush was elected president.. so you are right, I was mistaken when I said it had been 8 years.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:15 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Good point Jerome...I think I'll hire a secretary to run my business, that way when it fails I have someone else to blame, point my finger at and tell my creditors..."hey, she/he did it, don't blame me!!!". Once a coward always a coward...right BO?

    Orrrr...."hey, I got Bin Laden...what's Romney done??""

    Oh yeah...he answered the phone.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:29 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome you would be right we should forget about George Bush except Romney the liar is pushing the same insane Conservative Republican policies that created the mess of 2008. You being a supporter of everything George Bush did should be proud to put his record on display. You voted for him twice did you not? Be proud Jerome!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 1:12 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    “Dem fall-back”

    Pat, I’ve missed you, as you’ve been mostly silent these past few months.

    But with only five days to go, you couldn’t help yourself, huh???

    Have fun!!

    [beam]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:55 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Let's assume that it's true that President Obama had "[taken] over from the most incompetent administration in the history of our country headed by the worst President in our nations history," he knew precisely what he was getting into. All that being assumed, wouldn't a smart, new president have paid closer attention to all that damage left behind by such an incompetent former president? Why then was the bulk of 2010 fully dedicated not to the economy and the plight of the American people, but instead provided to passing ObamaCare - something the American people did not want or need at this time?

    Even now he's deciding to appoint a "Secretary of Business" if he's re-elected. I suppose he's trying to build himself up with such an idea; but didn't the president promise to fix the economy on his own as the guy where the buck stops? Didn't President Obama also indicate that if the economy wasn't fixed during the first three years of his administration that he shouldn't be granted another term?

    I say enough of George W. Bush - leave him be in his retirement. All the mudslinging directed his way won't change a thing. After all Bush isn't the President of the United States and hasn't been for almost four years! It's far past time to lay blame for our foundering nation upon the incumbent and hold him to his promise to not be worthy of re-election in 2012.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:47 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    [smile][smile][beam][beam][wink][wink][sad][sad]

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrl: WHEN did the Dems take over the fiscal part of the govt??? 2006. Bush didn't spend the money...your Dem-morooooons did. Dodd/Frank, Solyndra, GM, GE, A123, Union payoffs just to mention a few. 960 executive orders may have helped a bit too.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Mr. Baumbach, don't you mean 12 years of "non-stop, miserable, name-calling, hate-filled, invective-slinging years by them aimed at President Bush and his policies?"

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:10 am on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    "A study done by Stanford Professor Jon Krosnick developed a survey — the results indicate 51 percent of Americans now express explicit "anti" attitudes of people of color, compared to 48 percent in a similar 2008 survey." ms moore,

    OH...You mean THIS guy??: 'Academic embarrassment': Prof. Jon Krosnick Exposed for 'faulty' climate polls -- 'Skewed, propagandized and presented intellectually dishonest and shallow polling analysis' (Krosnick@Stanford.edu)

    Was Roger Pielke Jr. Duped By Krosnick?

    Climate Depot June 2010.

    Second paragraph...the race card...the Dem fall-back when nothing else works.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:03 am on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thank you for writing a well thought out letter. It would have been nice if President Obama had been given a good place to start but unfortunately he took over from the most incompetent administration in the history of our country headed by the worst President in our nations history. Bubble people think that the crash of 2008 and the insanity of the Iraq war were good things but they do not live in the real world. Bless their heart. Have a nice day.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:28 am on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Moore stated...Your statements sound like sound bites from Fox News.

    She has the nerve to say this about Mr Heath then writes this letter that is exact wording directly from the democratic party talking point sheet. She must think readers are extremely stupid.

    Mr Heath, thank you for your accurate letter. That people would believe the claims in this letter as to Barack Obama's influence speaks loud and clear as to how misguided some people are. Clearly, Ms Moore needs to stop drinking Obama Kool Aid and read your column instead. That would be classified as "Reality Therapy".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:13 am on Thu, Nov 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    s Moore stated...President Obama has been disrespected more than any other president

    Please tell me this woman is joking.

    How soon Democrats forget! Didn't we just finish up eight non-stop, miserable, name-calling, hate-filled, invective-slinging years by them aimed at President Bush and his policies? We are not just talking about the polite name calling that Obama gets, we are talking the hate filled foaming at the mouth kind of name calling that liberals inflicted on Bush. I cannot count the number of times I saw democrats with Bush signs where Bush was painted as a Hitler look a like mustache and all.

    On a daily basis, George Bush was humiliated and verbally assaulted in vicious terms. He was compared to Hilter very often and was labeled a moron and idiot constantly even though he had two degrees, one from Harvard and one from Yale.

     

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