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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:00 am

There has been much talk from some in our country that President Barack Obama is doing his best to destroy our country. I think that is not fair. However, one might wonder why he released five Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison who were considered some of the most dangerous detainees who desire to kill Americans. Why would he do that?

To find the answer, all one need do is observe what Obama says and does.

This last April, Obama flew to Malaysia and honored Islam by visiting a special mosque. Malaysia’s Star newspaper quoted Abdullah Muhammad Zin, religious adviser to Prime Minister Najib Razak, as saying it was rare for any leader to visit a mosque. He said, “There can be no better way for Obama to honor Islam than by him visiting Masjid Negara.”

However, a non-Muslim leader in Malaysia stated, “Given the challenges and concerns for non-Muslim religions in Malaysia, especially Christianity, it would have been better for Obama to also visit the places of religious worship of other religions,” which he did not.

In 2009, Obama gave a speech at Al-Azhar University, saying, “For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning.” He also stated, “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance” — yet, in 2012, this Islamic University called for the U.N. to issue Sharia law, banning “insulting symbols of Islam” and “punish(ing) those who commit this crime.”

In a later speech, Obama said, “I consider it part of my responsibility as president of America to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.” He stated, “As a student of history, I know of civilization’s debt to Islam.” He also has stated that in his childhood, the sweetest sound he knew was the Muslim call to prayer.

To be fair to Obama, it is reasonable and understandable that he thinks well of a culture and religion he bonded with as a child. It’s possible that he didn’t view the Guantanamo prisoners as terrorists, but as enlightened freedom fighters who are fighting for America’s best interests.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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122 comments:

  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:49 am on Mon, Aug 4, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    You are still wrong Andy. There is no proof that the President's name was legally changed. All you have shown as your proof is an application, which was completed, not by the President, but by his step father. Is an application for school a legal document? NO, never has been or every will be. That proves exactly nothing. And the information covered in the PRA IS records while in office. Try and get that through your head! The curious thing about you, is you have never claimed to be wrong, you know everything and nobody else knows anything. I am a trained information analyst. I know how to dissect information and look non supported information and analyze the supporting information to determine whether it is valid or not. You on the other hand, grasp at straws and have a closed mind. You don't analyze, you regurgitate.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:54 pm on Sun, Aug 3, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Treacy,
    You specifically said, "you won't find any information where he changed his name or citizenship."

    The AP photograph clearly demonstrates otherwise.
    [sleeping]

    As far as Executive Order 13489 goes, it's not my fault that you can't digest a fact. Sec. 3 (d) of Executive Order 13489 clearly states,

    "If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order."

    Why do you think Section 6 of Executive Order 13233 doesn't appear in Executive Order 13489 Treacy? [lol]

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 5:45 am on Sun, Aug 3, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Andy, is that your empirical evidence that the president legally changed his name? All this document proves is that his step father completed an application, used his surname and incorrectly or maybe hopefully wanted his stepson to be Muslim, because he was Muslim. Certainly not a legal document. As far as the PRA goes, it's not my fault that you can't comprehend it's scope. Please copy and paste (you're good at that) the portion of the PRA that supports your claim.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:49 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    ROFLMAO[lol]

    http://tinyurl.com/ktkszh6

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:47 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Step 1. visit http://www.apimages.com/

    Step 2. Type Barry Soetoro is the search box

    Step 3. Double click on the image

    Step 4. Read 44 U.S.C. 2201–2207 [sleeping]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 3:51 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Treacy, my readings about the PRA absolutely confirm what you are saying. I doubt any "picture" will change that.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 12:05 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Andy you ARE wrong. The PRA has everything to do with records while in office and NOTHING to do personal records prior to taking office. As far as your picture, once again your link is incomplete.

    Simon, is it possible that you could provide us the complete link?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    I don't know why this posted more than once. It was not my intention. Sorry.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:50 am on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Ms Welch and Mr Elliot
    Great stuff

    [thumbup]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:34 pm on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Thanks, Treacy. [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:29 pm on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The executive order does NOT in fact cover ONLY records of the President that occur while he is in office as clearly defined in 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.
    [sleeping]

    "you won't find any information where he changed his name or citizenship"

    Wrong again Treacy. The following photograph was released by the Associated Press in 2007.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/AP-I-IDN-Indonesia-Us-Obama-s-School/debbca99a38649619842bdcc66cf8b28/1/0

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 4:59 pm on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Actually Andy if you read the executive order and did some research on the Presidential Records Act you would find that the executive order that President Obama enacted superseded similar executive orders enacted by President Reagan and Bush. This has to do with records of the President that occur while they are in office. Executive order 13489 actually reinstated Reagan's Executive order 12667. It has nothing to do with hiding any of the things you claim. So Christina is right and you are incorrect in your assessment of what this executive order covers. In fact you won't find any information where he changed his name or citizenship is because he didn't. Just another birther lie http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 3:11 pm on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Thanks for the link, Andrew, but no thanks. You stick with yours and I'll stick with mine.
    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:37 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The White House's own website isn't false Christina.[sleeping]

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ExecutiveOrderPresidentialRecords/

    If I'm wrong it shouldn't be difficult for you to provide the document where Barry Soetoro changed his name back to Barack Obama.

    If I'm wrong it shouldn't be difficult for you to provide the document where Barry Soetoro changed his citizenship.

    I'm waiting...

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Geeze, is this rumor about the president sealing his records by executive order circulating again? Please check out these sites that address this claim, and show it to be false.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13489

    http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/the-executive-order-13489-myth.html

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:09 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Another "SO WHAT" moment? Seriously Mr. Heuer?[lol]

    Barack Obama legally changed his name to “Barry Soetoro” and became an Indonesian citizen, and no records in the public domain show that he ever changed his name or citizenship back. There is a reason that Obama’s first official act as president on January 21, 2009 was to seal the release of his records with an executive order.[sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:27 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Andrew
    Please don't insult other posters because they don't agree with you.
    [thumbdown]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:20 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Of course this is another SO WHAT moment brought to you by Andrew who quoted Obama “In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies”. Now that is cause for worry. No American would do that. Americans take their quranic studies seriously.
    [wink]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:58 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Hey Andrew post it on your Facebook page in your profile and I'm sure you'll get thousands of likes. Shazam, it'll probably go viral since so many know you...in the journalistic community...for 25 yrs.
    [wink]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:52 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Oops, Assisi, my bad.
    [sad]

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 4:43 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    One final thing Andrew, using your own words in a June 8, 2014 post on another subject:
    "Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it. Knowing the truth, seeing the truth but still believing the lies is a pathetic and desperate act of intellectual cowardice as well."

    Get the drift? Read it and look in the mirror

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:26 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    Hey, you're right about something! That picture didn't change my mind one bit.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:12 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    willful ignorance (noun)
    The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguements because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs.

    cognitive dissonance (noun)
    Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by factual information.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:38 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1477

    Nice that did give me a chuckle Thanks Jien

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:27 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Mr Kaur
    Great post

    [smile]
    I wondered myself when a school was mentioned with the name Assi, of course St Francis of Assi, would have been a catholic school. Having been to Turkey recently where former christian churches were taken over by muslims they did not retain their christian name but a muslim name instead. Of course if they were christian they would have christian names. Thank you. Mr Liebich will be so surprised to hear this.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 10:09 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    To answer your question. Yes, seriously Andrew. Where you and I differ is that I have the ability to differentiate fact from fiction, conspiracy and innuendos. Bye Bye Andrew, I'm done playing your stupid game

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:07 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Jien,
    Obama was registered as a Muslim at Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro (see the 2007 Associated Press photograph).

    After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled, also as a Muslim, according to documents, in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta. In Obama’s own autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” he acknowledges studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.” “In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies” wrote Obama.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 8:52 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 91

    The Mr Liebich said It's always wilfull, entirely predictable, continuously absurd or as Jien recently pointed out, like a car wreck you can't stop looking at.

    So sorry if there is misunderstand about my sentence. I was to say that the crazy car wreck are things you claims about president obama. If the president was at the assissi school that is the catholic as I understand why they teaching islam in catholic school.

    It is what we located from Asia News -
    In reality, following a decades-old practice, Indonesia's private Christian schools, including Catholic ones, are not required to offer courses on Islamic religion or time off to read the Quran, as is the case in state schools. They do however provide seminars and lectures on the Christian religion and catechism.

    Muslim students who go to Catholic schools take instead Islamic religious courses sponsored by their own Islamic community.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:13 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Andrew
    Can I help?
    I'm going to skip the SO WHAT part and present for your edification,

    FACT:
    1. something that actually exists, reality, truth.
    dictionary.com

    You have no known facts.
    Partial or fragmentary allusions are not facts.
    [wink]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:06 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike,
    The ignorance in this forum is hardly a threat to me. I find it as sad as it is pathetic. It's always wilfull, entirely predictable, continuously absurd or as Jien recently pointed out, like a car wreck you can't stop looking at.

    The State Department documents released in two separate FOIA requests are NOT mythical State Department documents released in two separate FOIA requests.
    [sleeping]
    The passport amendment Ann Dunham submitted in person to the State Department at the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, on Aug. 13, 1968 was NOT a mythical passport amendment Ann Dunham submitted in person to the State Department at the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, on Aug. 13, 1968.
    [sleeping]
    The fact that Indonesian law at the time required instruction in Islam was NOT a mythical Indonesian law.
    [sleeping]
    Israella Darmawan, Obama's first grade teacher at the Assisi school was NOT a mythical teacher.
    [sleeping]
    The 2007 Associated Press photograph of Obama’s own registration card at the Assisi school taken by Tatan Syuflana, an Indonesian AP reporter and photographer is NOT is mythical 2007 Associated Press photograph of Obama’s own registration card at the Assisi school taken by Tatan Syuflana, an Indonesian AP reporter and photographer.
    [sleeping]
    White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was NOT a mythical White House Press Secretary.
    [sleeping]
    A photo published by the White House is NOT a mythical photo published by the White House.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:24 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    Excellent points Treacy, Christina, Thomas.
    Conspiracy theorists have a bottomless pit of intrigues and stories of mythical events perpetrated by many, many mysterious players. These are all very secret but somehow conspiracy theorists like andrew always seem to route them out (mostly from other conspriacy theorists).

    As long as no one checks the stories or the links out, and just buy the BS they post, everything is fine. As we all have done here (let's call it an honor roll if you will), Christina, Thomas, Joanne, Treacy, Walter, Eric, (I know I've left some out, no offense please) look into their claims they find lies, inuendo, half truths, and more. The ConThs depend on the ignorance of everyone else. We are a threat to them. andrew is a waste of time, but if we don't challenge him, there are some that will believe in the ConThs message.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 3:08 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    New batter, please !! [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:54 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I believe you. I could provide the following photo released by the White House and it wouldn't change your mind.[rolleyes]

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/12093091283/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:44 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The FACT #1

    Seriously Treacy? The link you were provided did nothing but substantiate the fact that Obama was a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records. For example,

    The fact that Obama was a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records was 100% substantiated by the State Department documents released in two separate FOIA requests.

    The fact that Obama was a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records was 100% substantiated by the passport amendment Ann Dunham submitted in person to the State Department at the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, on Aug. 13, 1968.

    The fact that Obama was a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records was 100% substantiated by the fact that Indonesian law at the time required instruction in Islam.

    The fact that Obama was a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records was 100% substantiated by Israella Darmawan, Obama's first grade teacher at the Assisi school.

    And lastly, the fact that Obama was a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records was 100% substantiated by the 2007 Associated Press photograph of Obama’s own registration card at the Assisi school taken by Tatan Syuflana, an Indonesian AP reporter and photographer.


    FACT #2

    Seriously Treacy? The link you were provided did not take you to "a bunch of news stories." The link you were provided took you directly to a CBS article dated January 21,2009 titled 'President Obama's First Full Day'

    The article directly quoted White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

    Read sentence #8 or if you prefer you could always Google Robert Gibbs's January 29, 2009 press conference.

    FACT #3

    Seriously Treacy? The fact that Obama has been meeting with members of the Muslim Brotherhood for the last 6 1/2 years is NOT heresay! Guests of the White House sign a visitors log.

    Lately, Obama meets with Muslim Brotherhood members right out in the open. Anas Al-Tikriti, a top British lobbyist for the Muslim Brotherhood whose father heads Iraq’s Muslim Brotherhood party, met with the President and Vice President less than one month ago. Al-Tikriti, whose work has also been tied to Hamas, can be seen smiling in photos published by the White House for goodness sake.

    Wake-Up! https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/12093091283/

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:29 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Mr Elliot
    Such wishful thinking your "Three strikes and you are out."
    One can only wish.
    [wink]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:20 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Again and again Andrew strives to verify Mr Elliots declaration "The biggest shock is that someone actually expects us to believe this BS."

    Andrew posts three "facts" all sensational (if they were factual) and list one or more links of support. Well I have to skip the WND" link in the first "fact" as WND is not a reliable source except to Andrew and Infowars. Besides the fact Obama as a child spent time in Indonesia or that his father was muslim is not new. However if you have an islamic phobia you can't get enough of it.

    Now to "fact" # two where Andrew states "the first head of state that Obama called as President was Palestinian Chairman Mahmoud Abbas". Whoa sinister sounding. But when you go to verify this seemingly conspiratorial allegation CBS (usually reliable) simply follows Obama's first bit of time on his first day in office that includes (after meeting with his Chief of Staff), (after reading a note from G Bush #43) "Mr. Obama placed phone calls to four Middle Eastern leaders: President Mubarak of Egypt, Prime Minister Olmert of Israel, King Abdullah of Jordan, and President Abbas of the Palestinian Authority." Abbas isn't even listed first and PM Olmert of Israel is included!

    There is no statements as to what was talked about nor why the calls were made or if they were return calls. Were these return phone calls for congratulations that hadn't been placed (like others) prior to going into the office that day? It is nothing as is the You Tube video of a predictable meeting in 2009 with Abbas talking about the the 2 state solution with Israel.

    As I said Andrew can mangle even reliable information. This is why Andrew continues to be suspect as a journalistic practitioner because he can't get the facts straight. He can only do the spooky "tabloidial" headline which he can never support. He can still claim is the headline true technically, yes he made a call but that is simply misleading since he made 4 phone calls and for what purpose is not ever stated.

    And for the life of me I have no idea what the You Tube video of Abbas has to do with anything. And I don't ask because I usually find it was simply a blooper or an insignificant detail (his tie was wrong color or the flag lapel pin was crooked, etc which to Andrew and Infowars have dire meanings). You know we are in the long run just human beings and we don't plot out every morning how we are going to send out secret messages through the medias.

    Now "fact" # three I don't want to waste any time on because I know it will be just as meaningless. The second reason is that the Washington Times is not always a reliable source for me (too right wing). Anything I read there I need to verify with other sources and it just takes too much time to waste over Andrew.
    [wink]

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 1:20 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    You are absolutely correct. Andrew believes in what he believes in. Nothing anyone can say or do won't change that.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    [thumbup]
    Thank you Ms Welch you took the words right out of my er Andrews mouth.
    [wink]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:17 am on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Folks, feel free to go about chasing after Andrew's links if you so choose... He means it when he says "I could go on and on and on..." As for myself, I am done here. I let the video speak for itself, and it didn't convince me. I doubt your additional links would change my mind, Andrew.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:42 am on Mon, Jul 28, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Let's document and verify just the first 59 seconds of the video shall we ladies and gentleman...
    FACT #1 The video said, "Barack Obama, listed as a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records"
    Documented & Verified Proof in the link below:
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/claim-absolute-proof-obama-was-indonesian-citizen/

    An unsubstantiated claim

    FACT #2 The video said, "January 21, 2009 the first head of state that Obama called as President was Palestinian Chairman Mahmoud Abbas"
    Documented & Verified Proof in the links below:

    CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obamas-first-full-day/

    This link just takes you to a bunch of news stories. It's not my job to go through each one to find your "proof" Need to be more specific

    Mahmoud Abbas in the Oval Office: http://youtu.be/LF_fCP09LRI

    Yes, the meeting was held and the subject ....Advance peace in the Middle East. How diabolic is that? Isn't that what the President of the United States is supposed to do?

    FACT #3 "April 2009 Obama secretly met with members of the Muslim Brotherhood in Washington"
    Documented & Verified Proof in the link below:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/feb/7/flashback-obamas-under-radar-meeting-muslim-brothe/

    More hearsay, no facts given. Just a reference to an article written by a Middle Eastern news agency. Certainly plausible, but no hard facts to support it

    Sorry, Three strikes and you are out

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:12 pm on Sun, Jul 27, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Documented and verifiable?" "How?"
    "nothing about where one can verify their claims"
    "The videos shown are primarily from Egyptian sources"
    "I have no way to confirm their allegations"
    -Christina Welch

    "The biggest shock is that someone actually expects us to believe this BS."
    -Treacy Elliott

    Let's document and verify just the first 59 seconds of the video shall we ladies and gentleman...[lol]

    FACT #1 The video said, "Barack Obama, listed as a practicing Muslim and Indonesian citizen in school records"

    Documented & Verified Proof in the link below:

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/claim-absolute-proof-obama-was-indonesian-citizen/

    FACT #2 The video said, "January 21, 2009 the first head of state that Obama called as President was Palestinian Chairman Mahmoud Abbas"

    Documented & Verified Proof in the links below:

    CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obamas-first-full-day/

    Mahmoud Abbas in the Oval Office: http://youtu.be/LF_fCP09LRI

    FACT #3 "April 2009 Obama secretly met with members of the Muslim Brotherhood in Washington"

    Documented & Verified Proof in the link below:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/feb/7/flashback-obamas-under-radar-meeting-muslim-brothe/

    And I could go on and on and on...[whistling]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:46 am on Sun, Jul 27, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You can stick with, "I have no way to confirm their allegations" if you like but it certainly isn't true.[rolleyes]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 11:00 pm on Sat, Jul 26, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Thanks, Thomas. Yours are the last words I'm going to read here tonight, and I will fall asleep with a smile and sleep soundly on that thought. BTW--the first day went great! Here's to so many more...

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:57 pm on Sat, Jul 26, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    I don't need verification from you, Andrew, you didn't produce the video.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:19 pm on Sat, Jul 26, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [rolleyes]...I can't provide verification of "content" if you don't provide the "content" you need verification of.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:23 pm on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Yes, the 29 sources that I mentioned--image, sound, and music sources. Not content. [sleeping]

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 12:21 pm on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Image credits, not sources of information.....more rubbish

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:39 am on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Wow kindergarten. That's a big day for everyone. Yes, yes that is where you should be focused. I remember my two kids, now grown and finished college, starting kindergarten. It was very exciting as well as stressful; Will they get lost, will they get scared, will other kids like them, WILL THEY BEHAVE. All went well and we survived only to go through it again when they started college. Its a very special time and enjoy it while it lasts. It seems a never ending struggle day-to-day but someday you will look back and say where did it go. It went by so fast. So enjoy it now.
    [beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:29 am on Fri, Jul 25, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    There are 29 sources cited at the end of the video Christina.[sleeping]

    Can I waste 30 minutes providing you with documented and verifiable proof of each sentence? Yes. Will I? No.

    If there is something from the video that you would like me to document and verify for you tell me what it is and I will happily provide you with documentation and verification.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:30 pm on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Agreed, Thomas. I am done!!! My little girl is starting Kindergarten tomorrow and I'd really much rather focus on real life, positive things. I think everyone reading all this is just about done, too.

    BTW--a big shout out to all you LUSD parents with the first day of school tomorrow! Good luck to you all. I wish your children a most wonderful school year. [smile]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:26 pm on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Documented and verifiable? How? The producers site image, sound, and music credits, but nothing about where one can verify their claims. No academic source, journalistic source, nothing. The videos shown are primarily from Egyptian sources (feeling a bit of a bias there, Andrew) although they don't even formally credit even them. No works cited, bibilography, nada. I have no way to confirm their allegations; I think that's pretty much the opposite of "documented and verifiable."

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 2:01 pm on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Christina,
    The biggest shock is that someone actually expects us to believe this BS. I will continue to monitor the posts as time allows and challenge whenever I have the opportunity. I'm not surprised that we have not received answers, because there are no answers that support this rubbish

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:11 pm on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Andrew enough
    Everyone knows the Muslim Brotherhood has terrorists among them and America is the satan or infidel or all around bad guy. We worked hard to gain those tags. That' why I pay lots of taxes to support the military and hundreds of intelligence agencies that work globally to keep an eye on these guys and others.

    AAAANNDD you now have another link to "Elibiary's use of the R4BIA logo..." Please let me direct you to my 1:52 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014. It may still be at the top here which could be an interesting read for you.

    You know I really think if I go to any more Muslim Brotherhood sites I will be investigated by the FBI for possible connections just like poor ole Elibiary.

    [wink]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:03 pm on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    ALL of the information presented in the video is 100% true, documented and verifiable.[rolleyes]

    I can only present it, I can't make you digest it.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 11:50 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    No, Andrew, you didn't answer the question...another propagandist You Tube channel called "Western Journalism" did.

    Along with this little gem of "Obama is behind the Islamic Caliphate" you can also peruse "Is Obama Plotting to Overthrow the United States" or "Top Secret Memo Gives Obama Authority to Kill American Citizens" or "SHOCK: Obama Forming "Hitler Youth" Under Common Core" and so much more. Enjoy!!!! [lol]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:38 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    "One thing I've learned here is its easy to make allegations but very time consuming to verify them or debunk them."

    [thumbup] Thomas!

    And to all your other comments in the post. You nailed it. I wish I had your gift of clarity and interpretation.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:35 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I attempted to answer your question Jien. Unfortunately, Simon Birch decided to censor the Reuters link I provided.[rolleyes]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:23 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why am I to blame for your inability to place a url in your browser?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:19 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Heuer,
    The Muslim Brotherhood's own documents call for the destruction of the United States and the creation of a worldwide caliphate. Mohammad Elibiary, the head of Obama's Homeland Security advisory council, openly supports the Muslim Brotherhood. Personally, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't care.

    As far as Elibiary's use of the R4BIA logo, I have already provided a link to the Muslim Brotherhood's Official English version website which contains all the information you need to know about the R4BIA logo.

    "And why can't Andrew answer a question?"

    I can answer the question. Can you digest the answer?

    http://youtu.be/-VC4ea24_mQ?list=PLL8-bSYlGi6YtgeaeVUgWkVdAKf9bHZnS

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:52 am on Thu, Jul 24, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    [thumbup]
    Thank you Mike and Walter
    I do feel the nonsense has exhausted any point of relevance here.
    Nobody cares or should I say nobody should care about this muslim brotherhood business unless someone can give a good reason for caring. Its like someone claiming 'did you know there are Burmese cat catchers working in the Dept of Defense? Its one of those things that's suppose to catch your eye like tabloids at the grocery store checkout.

    I can't believe anyone would think the 4 finger muslim salute has any bearing on anything. Its like when years ago when 2 black athletes gave the power/solidarity (or whatever it was) salute at the Olympics. Much to do was made then about nothing.

    Andrew has gone from Obama supporting Morsi (now deposed) and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to having Muslim Brotherhood members in his administration and one was caught, of all things, giving the"4 finger Muslim Brotherhood salute" however that stopped a year ago. So what?

    As Walter Chang pointed out in an earlier post "Darrell's goal here is to entertain and inflame." And now Andrew is anxious to facilitate and follow suit by posting "How many members of the Muslim Brotherhood hold positions in the Obama administration...?" Boom! Bomb dropped. Is this in anyway adding to a discussion or is it a "tabloidal" luring folks to visit obscure trains of thought and sites of distorted reality fostering anti-Obama propaganda.

    Then Mr Elliot simply asks (taking the bait) "Andrew, Instead of insinuating...I think a better more convincing way to support your insinuation would be to say: "These are the members of the Obama Administration that are members of the Muslim Brotherhood" and then list them." Seems simple enough.

    However Mr Elliot instead gets a dangling carrot from Andrew "...I can easily name many Muslim Brotherhood members in the Obama Administration." But only names one, Mohammad Elibiary, who was actually hired in 2006, yes that would be Bush) and then asks "How many more Muslim Brotherhood members would you like me to list Treacy?"

    Of course Mr Elliot replies "How about all of them Andy. Based on my research, which I could only find extreme conservative sources or conspiracy websites, there are only insinuations no direct link."

    To this Andrew refuses to answer Mr Elliots question and expands to a whole new line of thought by asking insultingly "On what planet is Mohammad Elibiary's Twitter page an "extreme conservative source" or "conspiracy website?"". And "Is CSPAN an "extreme conservative source" or "conspiracy website" Treacy?" and adds a You Tube video with a line of questioning reminiscent of the McCarthy era though instead of communism its Muslim Brotherhood.

    Then Andrew challenges all questioners "A House Judiciary Committee hearing is a House Judiciary Committee hearing. A House Judiciary Committee hearing is not an "unproven conspiracy theory."
    No it is not a conspiracy theory site however it lends to misinformation when only one line of questioning is shown without allowing rebuttal or allowing the exasperated Homeland Security Director to speak. It leads to a biased conclusion. Ms Welch provided a more balanced though not complete interview. But to get the full story you need to do research and you have to conclude do I want to waste my time when ultimately you can't find a reason why it matters at all.

    More digression from Andrew "Did Mohammad Elibiary, as the head of Obama's Homeland Security advisory council, use the controversial "R4BIA" four-finger Muslim Brotherhood salute symbol on his Twitter profile picture? YES or NO?"

    Somewhere the plaintiff plea of Mr Elliot remains "You didn't answer the question Andy..." but instead gets from Andrew the insulting "Why don't YOU "stop acting like a child" and answer a simple YES or NO question? "Is it that hard?" Must have been some rule violation there what do you think Simon? And why can't
    Andrew answer a question?

    So on it goes here repeatedly following links leading to overly exaggerated, misinterpreted or misrepresented sites to everyone's frustration. Questions asked for some provision of relevance which get ignored or bounced upon for opportunities of digression.

    Eventually Ms Welch provided a little history and description of the "R4BIA" four-finger Muslim Brotherhood salute. But she sums up the effort in a final comment "Hardly the dire meaning that Andrew wants to imply..." I grew up with the 2 finger "peace sign" that was controversial and not without its derision. Rappers have hand gestures I can't even tell you what they mean. Again why would any one care.

    One thing I've learned here is its easy to make allegations but very time consuming to verify them or debunk them.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:57 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Gee, Andrew, why is this the first time you are mentioning that the symbol was removed nearly a year ago? You really could've saved me a lot of trouble! Yes, Andrew, the Twitter link Simon provided to me shows the Tweet where he says: "Some Israelis feeling upset w/ my #R4BIA twibon. Relax, it has nothing 2do w/ y'all & this acct personal only not USG." Still no actual picture with the symbol, but as you pointed out, he must've removed it right away. At some point it seems clear that it was there. So, I will concede that point to you, Andrew.

    Now that all this roundabout is done, can we get back to the initial comment I made back on Monday that began all the deflection:

    First, I couldn't find anywhere that even lists the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization in the U.S. Secondly, according to Wikipedia on the R4BIA sign:
    "The sign is named after Rabia Square in Cairo,where a large anti-coup sit-in was held for about forty days before it was dispersed. The sign is meant to express solidarity with the victims of the dispersal and persistence of anti-coup movement, whereas pro-coup activists, figures and media consider the sign to be a terrorist sign. The origin of the sign is unknown."
    Hardly the dire meaning that Andrew wants to imply...

    Using the R4BIA sign does not make him a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The CSPAN coverage does not discuss him as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He says himself that he is not. No mainstream media outlets have reported him as such.

    So, yes, I agree with Walter below... ZERO.


     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:25 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Thank you Simon for the shortened link!!! I'm not much of a copy/paste/web browser address field kind of gal; I just kept right-clicking, "go to" the page over and over again. For the life of me I don't know why Andrew didn't do so at around the third time I mentioned I couldn't access it, but at last you have solved the riddle!!! So, thank you Simon, and to Jian Kaur, I apologize for questioning you about having actually accessed it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:07 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I agree Mike. Simon should have put an end to the nonsense much sooner.
    [lol]

    P.S. The PDF file released by the White House has nothing to do with a typewriter.[lol]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:27 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    Can we all agree that too much time is being spent on an unfounded claim by a conspiracy theorist regarding some sign being flashed on something called a "tweet"?

    It's not that it doesn't reveal anything, it's more like who cares or even if it's true, what difference does it make? We've all read the forecasts of terrible things that are going to happen and all the allegations of all the terrible things that did happen because this guy sent a greeting card to some other guy no one knows.

    It's like the CT's identifying the types of typewriters used on President Obama's "birth certificate" and how this reveals he was actually born in Kenya. Well one person made the wild forensic accusations and everyone else just copied what he said. Really, 4 or 5 different typewriters?

    Come 'on....all this for what's on a postcard no one can seem to find.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 5:26 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 158 Staff

    Christina: There's a space between the slash and the long string of numbers. It might be a result of the text wrapping in the comment box. If you paste the link in a web browser's address field, the space will probably get translated as "%20" (without the quotation marks). If you delete the space or "%20" the link should work. Or try this shortened version of the link: http://goo.gl/MJPnHh

    Edited by staff.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:44 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    He removed the symbol nearly a year ago Christina.
    [sleeping]

    The Tweet is dated Sept. 29, 2013 and directly addresses the R4BIA twibon
    he had used.
    [sleeping]

    I'm done. I'll mail you a copy.[rolleyes]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 2:43 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    This is the link from Andrew that I am not able to access:

    https://twitter.com/MohamedElibiary/status/
    384532760527769600

    Anyone else out there that can verify the page doesn't exist? I have tried it numerous times on different computers and every time it says the page doesn't exist. Yet, Jien Kaur seems to say it does. I hate to ask anyone to go chasing after another silly link, but I really am confused.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 1:32 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    I'm sorry, Jien, but I don't think I really believe you or perhaps I am misunderstanding. Please clarify: are you saying you were able to access Andrew's link and that it was indeed an actual page on Mohammed Eilbiary's Twitter Account with the R4BIA symbol? Perhaps you have gone to his current Twitter account, which I also have done, but then you would notice there is no use of the symbol.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:43 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    [thumbup]

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 11:20 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 91

    from mrs welch

    The page still does not exist, Andrew.

    A Twitter page that says the page doesn't exist IS a Twitter page that says the page doesn't exist.

    perhaps check you computer security. I go to the page on many tries.

    214 and counting and many comments in many conversations. Maybe you should not be make fun of others now.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 11:09 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 91

    Do the Andrew Liebich mean the billions of dollars in other country aid to Egypt? Or to a private Muslim Brotherhood account for the only use of the Mr Morsi?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:07 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1111

    "How many members of the Muslim Brotherhood hold positions in the Obama administration Walter?"

    Andrew, I'll be happy to answer your question now...

    Especially since these fine folks here did all of the "heavy lifting" and have successfully debunked your nonsense.

    My answer: Zero

    Yes, that's my final answer.

    [lol]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Again, as of Wednesday morning, those links to Twitter don't work. It's not about them extending beyond the allotted space, it is about the page not existing. I have tried them on my personal computer, my work laptop, and my mom's computer. Give it a break already!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:49 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Morsi was Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood President Mike.[sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    [thumbup]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:47 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Nice red herring, Andrew!!

    Mike has said the same things about you, even worse, in many other posts, and nary a word from you about rules. I have ridiculed your Michelle Obama video in a previous post with no complaint from you regarding rules violation. But now that all your "proof" about Mohammed Eilbiary belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood has been debunked, you change the subject so you don't have to respond to what I have called you on.

    1. There is no proof of Mohammed Eilbiary's use of the R4BIA on his Twitter beyond that reported by questionable and biased sources. No link has been provided directly to his Twitter account where the symbol is used.

    2. The C-SPAN coverage provided by you in no way supports your claim that Mohammed Eilbiary was being investigated for his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    So, can we move on from Eilbiary already? Who else in Obama's administration is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood as you claim? Or are you going to continue to evade that question like you have been with Treacy?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:01 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    And we should especially pay close attention to Rule # 9:
    "Don’t be a troll."

    n Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]

    Gee,,,,who would this apply to?
    Hhhmmmm....

    Sandy Hook a Hoax
    Obama should be impeached
    Stand down order in Benghazi
    "Freedom" not mentioned anywhere in the UN Charter
    A twitter from someone that can't be found (except by...)
    (Really, a tweet? Grow up)
    I work at infowars (which cannot be verified even by the person who
    supposedly works there)
    and on and on.....

    "with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" to wit: "mushbrains", "idiot", "wilful ignorance", "cognitive disonance" and on and on and on

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:51 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Christina,
    I understand the link may not have worked for you but the reason has nothing to do with the page not existing.

    The link I posted simply extended beyond the allotted space of the comment box and you weren't able to see the entire link.

    https://twitter.com/MohamedElibiary/status/384532760527769600

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:12 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The above posts clearly violate rules 4, 6, 7, 8, & 9.

    Are you using new rule #10 as justification for having posted them Simon?


     
  • Mike Adams posted at 3:04 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    If only andrew would step back and read what he has been copying and pasting..... a picture on twitter that no one other than he can find. A list of Arab terrorists in the White House that only he has.
    And now I'm just learning that Michelle Obama is actually a man!!
    (Sorry Michelle... I only write it here because it's so G'd d'b)

    Treacy:
    "If you can't answer my question, why should I answer yours, but I will anyway.
    Mohammad Elibiary- the Rabia salute is/was a symbol of solidarity with the Morsi Govt.
    The Youtube video was a report on a Senate hearing, no proof presented, just a news story. And what was the result of the senate hearing.....nothing."

    Good One!!

    Hey, since andrew likes obscure bits of information that only he can find, maybe locate that pay stub from infowars to prove you work there. Then I can go on and teach alex joens a lesson as well.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:56 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The entire link was not visible in the comment box Christina.

    Mohamed Elibiary's Tweet was posted at 9:18 PM - 29 Sep 2013

    https://twitter.com/MohamedElibiary/status/
    384532760527769600

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:11 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    https://twitter.com/MohamedElibiary/
    status/384532760527769600

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:44 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    The page still does not exist, Andrew.

    A Twitter page that says the page doesn't exist IS a Twitter page that says the page doesn't exist. [lol]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:40 pm on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Mike, My particular favorite of Andrew's work is his Michelle Obama is a man video. Classic Andrew at his best! Don't worry, I see him for what he is.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:45 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    Christina: Beware of any information you may find on any of the websites you listed. And beware of any links andrew provides to support his wildly speculative claims of anything.

    It has been demonstrated here time and again that many of the documents/pictures/videos/and now tweets are doctored, forgeries, or totally bogus. andrew was pushing a you tube video of Attorney General Eric Holder "selling" his vote in the last presidential election. How does one "sell" their vote? Why not just go to the precinct and vote? What about the secret service detail Holder has? As federal officers they didn't intercede?

    This is typical andrew.

    What does this mean?

    "CSPAN coverage of a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Mohammad Elibiary's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood is CSPAN coverage of a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Mohammad Elibiary's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood."

    Did you accidentally morph two different copies and paste them together? You apparently don't proof read your pastes.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 11:42 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Even though I have already checked all this out, I checked your link. It says the page doesn't exist. Shocker!

    Upon reading Mohamed Elibiary's various tweets, though, he seems like a pretty cool dude. I love the pic of him on his motorcycle. And I found it interesting that he is pretty conservative; even endorsed John McCain back in 2008. He's a family man and says himself that he is not MB (Muslim Brotherhood). He follows Rick Perry on his Twitter. Gee, what a terrorist indeed!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:29 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Yes Christina, an EPIC FAIL as yourself and others continue to insist on demonstrating.[lol]

    Please view Elibiary's Twitter account and acknowledge that it was you who said, " If you have common sense and an open mind, then, no, such a picture does not exist."
    [lol]

    https://twitter.com/MohamedElibiary/status/384532760527769600

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:36 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Treacy, I can confirm your report of the CSPAN coverage, but it was a House Judiciary Committee investigation. Here is the link to the actual coverage, for those of you who don't want to get it from a propagandist You Tube source:

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?c3645042/mohamed-elibiary

    Surprise, surprise, but the clip does not back up any claim that Mohammed Elibiary is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Napolitano says nothing at all to that regard (with what little she is able to answer, as Senator Gohmert keeps interrupting her) and even Gohmert never says that. In fact, he says he knows Mohammed Elibiary and likes him (they're both from Texas)

    What is the flavor of the month, Andrew? EPIC FAIL.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:04 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Christina,
    Is Mohamed Elibiary's Twitter page an extremely conservative website? [lol]

    https://twitter.com/MohamedElibiary/status/384532760527769600

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 6:07 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    BTW. I never said that those sites were conservative or conspiracy websites. I never mentioned them at all in any of my posts.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:30 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    The old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. With that in mind, I searched through Google images to find evidence of this claim, and I did find pictures of the Mohammed Elibiary Twitter using the R4BIA. Here are the sources of those pictures:
    bizpacreview.com
    theblaze.com
    israellycool.com
    ironicsurrealism.com
    themuslimissue.wordpress.com
    freepatriot.org

    So, yes, the picture exists if you want to believe these extremely conservative websites. If you have common sense and an open mind, then, no, such a picture does not exist. His current Twitter profile does not include the symbol and even in the ones that do, it seems clear that it could have easily been photo-shopped in.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:32 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Andrew
    you are the only source, so far, for the four finger "whammer jammer" salute. To seek out more validating sources requires 2 things;
    1. Making an assumption that you have some valid information that has any significance.
    2. Believing this has any relevance to anything of importance beyond your juvenile predilection to "spooky" stuff and'or political jabs at the president.

    You still haven't answered my question, how much are you getting paid?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:37 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mike,
    CSPAN coverage of a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Mohammad Elibiary's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood is CSPAN coverage of a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Mohammad Elibiary's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:31 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Christina,
    The Muslim Brotherhood's Official English version website will provide you with a much more accurate description of the R4BIA logo.
    http://www.ikhwanweb.com/search.php?srchword=R4BIA

    *Please note the link provided at the bottom of the Muslim Brotherhood's Official English version website.
    [sleeping] The link: www.r4bia.com

    www.r4bia.com includes a photo as well as a video gallery where you can clearly see Muslim Brotherhood supporters proudly displaying the R4BIA logo just as Mohammad Elibiary, the head of Obama's Homeland Security advisory council has on his Twitter page.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:14 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Do you also ignore the billions of dollars President Obama sent to Muslim Brotherhood President Morsi? [lol]

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 3:09 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    stomp your feet and pout. Figured as much. I asked the question first to name those in the Obama Administration who were members of the Muslim Brotherhood. You have failed to provide the information. If you can't answer my question, why should I answer yours, but I will anyway.
    Mohammad Elibiary- the Rabia salute is/was a symbol of solidarity with the Morsi Govt.
    The Youtube video was a report on a Senate hearing, no proof presented, just a news story. And what was the result of the senate hearing.....nothing.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 1:31 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    "Is CSPAN an "extreme conservative source" or "conspiracy website" Treacy?"

    So if CSPAN doesn't run any coverage from the upcoming presidential conventions, they are anti-politics?

    If CBS airs only the games from the NFC, are they anti-AFC?

    If NBC covers an incident involving Fox news about a racist cattle rancher grazing in federal property, does that mean NBC endorses the lazy, thieving, racist cattle rancher?

    If ABC reports that President Obama won re-election in 2012, does that mean that ABC is anti-Mitt Romney?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:05 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mohammad Elibiary's Twitter page is Mohammad Elibiary's Twitter page. Mohammad Elibiary's Twitter page is not an "unproven conspiracy theory."
    [sleeping]

    A House Judiciary Committee hearing is a House Judiciary Committee hearing. A House Judiciary Committee hearing is not an "unproven conspiracy theory."
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:59 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    It was YOU who said Mohammad Elibiary's Twitter page was an "extreme conservative source" or "conspiracy website."

    It was YOU who said a House Judiciary Committee hearing was an "extreme conservative source" or "conspiracy website."

    Why don't YOU "stop acting like a child" and answer a simple YES or NO question? "Is it that hard?"

    Did Mohammad Elibiary, as the head of Obama's Homeland Security advisory council, use the controversial "R4BIA" four-finger Muslim Brotherhood salute symbol on his Twitter profile picture?

    YES or NO?

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:01 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Yes, and I took it a bit further...

    First, I couldn't find anywhere that even lists the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization in the U.S. Secondly, according to Wikipedia on the R4BIA sign:
    "The sign is named after Rabia Square in Cairo,where a large anti-coup sit-in was held for about forty days before it was dispersed. The sign is meant to express solidarity with the victims of the dispersal and persistence of anti-coup movement, whereas pro-coup activists, figures and media consider the sign to be a terrorist sign. The origin of the sign is unknown."
    Hardly the dire meaning that Andrew wants to imply...

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 9:47 am on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Andy, Using your favorite term EPIC FAIL. You can't answer a question with more questions and it appears you are unable to formulate an answer without using links and emoticons. You claim that the Obama administration is full of Muslim Brotherhood members. I asked you to name all of them, you named one and claim you can easily name more. It is your insinuation, you prove it. Stop acting like a child who doesn't get their way

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    OK Mike...One simple question requiring only a YES or NO answer. Are you capable?

    Did Mohammad Elibiary, as the head of Obama's Homeland Security advisory council, use the controversial "R4BIA" four-finger Muslim Brotherhood salute symbol on his Twitter profile picture? YES or NO?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:05 am on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    No. I ignore ignorance.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:42 am on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Great site Ms Welch
    Especially the discussion about the Anatomy of a Rumor
    [smile]
    The Muslim Brotherhood hoax is again misinforming and a botched mangle of facts... AGAIN.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:45 pm on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 314

    Treacy, My research has uncovered basically the same as you. I did find something from a website called truth or fiction. They claim to be nonpartisan, but I really don't know much about them. They seem to be so. They say all these claims about the Obama administration being infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood are false. They call it "unproven conspiracy theory." If you're interested, the link is: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/muslim-brotherhood-in-white-house-050813.htm#.U8yX55RX-uY

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:38 pm on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    "How many more Muslim Brotherhood members would you like me to list Treacy? "

    Well technically, you didn't list any..... you copied information someone else developed and passed it off as your own work....

    And you were involved how many years in journalism?
    As an actual writer, not delivering or reading or selling. Are you counting your faux employment at infowars as journalism?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:34 pm on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    Treacy:
    andrew said: "I can easily name many Muslim Brotherhood members in the Obama Administration. "

    More accurately he could have said "I copied and pasted the following from this web site as I am too lazy to put it into my own words like everybody else seems to do"

    https://www.google.com
    /search?q=+Mohammad+Elibiary%2C+the+head+of+Obama%27s+Homeland+Security+advisory+council+who+in+September+of+2013+was+heavily+criticized+for+using+the+controversial+%22R4BIA%22+four-finger+Muslim+Brotherhood+salute+symbol+on+his+own+Twitter+profile+picture.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:13 am on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Does that mean you support the stated goals of the Muslim Brotherhood Mr. Heuer?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:02 am on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    As I stated earlier Treacy, "I can easily name many Muslim Brotherhood members in the Obama Administration."

    For example, Mohammad Elibiary.

    If you can't acknowledge one name what would providing more names be other than an exercise in futility?

    P.S. You didn't answer either of my questions.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:26 am on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    You didn't answer the question Andy, name those that are in the administration that are members of the Islamic Brotherhood. Is it that hard. And don't give us a link, or copy and paste. Do it in your own words. Or are you not capable of typing more than a simple sentence punctuated with a stupid emoticon?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:52 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    On what planet is Mohammad Elibiary's Twitter page an "extreme conservative source" or "conspiracy website?"[lol]

    Is CSPAN an "extreme conservative source" or "conspiracy website" Treacy?[lol]

    http://youtu.be/UnqPVZKMEdQ


     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:51 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Andrew asks
    "How many members of the Muslim Brotherhood hold positions in the Obama administration Walter?"

    However he fails (epic failure) to ask the correct question, WHO CARES or who should care or why should anyone care. Any one care? I didn't think so.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:10 am on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    How about all of them Andy. Based on my research, which I could only find extreme conservative sources or conspiracy websites, there are only insinuations no direct link. Matter of fact from my perspective these sources indicate, If someone has an Islamic name, they are part of the Brotherhood. That is just like saying, if you have an Italian last name you are part of the Mafia or if you have a German name you are a Nazi. You must do better than that

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:29 pm on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1413

    Mr Baumbach asks ”… why the released five Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison…"? For some the war will never be over and perpetual imprisonment is acceptable. At some point these Guantanamo prisoners have to be released as wars end unless we hold public trials. And remember the Taliban weren’t the intended enemy. They were the ruling party in Afghanistan we kicked out. Al Qaeda was the enemy.

    About the same time as Obama's visit this year to Malaysia with a stop at the Masjid Negara mosque, I vacationed in Istanbul, Turkey (a muslim country) and visited mosques and enjoyed their history and beauty. Anybody who knows me knows I am not honoring any religion by my visits. Of course my visits weren't as complicated as presidential visits so Mr Baumbach’s idea of the POTUS visiting other religious-sites (in a muslim country) is simply absurd and in the president’s case impractical.

    Because I didn't grow up in a muslim community the muslim call to prayer was a bit annoying though others said they found it soothing. It did add a sense of community you don't get in any large American city where there are no daily city wide shared events. It was interesting to note that when the call to prayer occurred I expected everyone to rush to a mosque or drop down on the ground and begin praying. That was far from the case. They didn't even do the strange bent back skyward looking head with the raised hands and arms thing. Everyone continued to go about their business.


    Mr Baumbach continues, as Mr Barrow reminded us, to have a preoccupation with muslim sharia law as if it could happen here. I have no concerns muslim sharia law would usurp our constitution and rules of law. However I do get concerned by any freedom restricting religious laws which can set precedent for other religious rules (including muslim) to step into their foot hold.

    Mr Baumbach tip-toes around frequent misconceptions that muslim is synonymous with terrorism and Obama supports terrorism by not making disparaging remarks about muslims. He’s aware that saying such erroneous thinking is woefully contetious but still he alludes to it from his statements of Obama "honoring islam" and "bonding with islam" and finally adding his "...he (Obama) didn’t view the Guantanamo prisoners as terrorists, but as "enlightened freedom fighters..." What bunk. This also goes with the intellectually challenged "tea party" assertion that the president is a muslim or a muslim sympathizer in disregard for America.

    Mr Baumbach's strictly tongue in cheek "…to be fair to Obama..." is a disingenuous use of words that surely doesn’t come without a wink to the like-minded. Of course terrorists to us (and Obama) are in fact terrorists, but to the terrorists they do see themselves as freedom fighters even if their goal is to enslave themselves (and others) in sharia law.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:42 pm on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1362

    Jien Kaur:

    I am curious why you used to be more eloquent in your posts. Below is a recent post made by you:

    "Wow, Mr. Werner. Ms. Castelanelli isn't claiming that less fortunate kids should be entitled to anything the better off kids have. For you to equate this situation to some type of socialism you think Ms. Castelanelli is promoting is just plain silly. She is simply saying that the PTA shouldn't make participating in an event dependent on the amount of money you can raise or that your family can contribute. The privilege of participating in the water balloon event should have been dependent upon the number laps they completed or something other than being rewarded for raising a certain amount of money. After all, I'm sure most of the kids are perfectly capable of running - a great equalizer."

    How did you go from the example above, to your most recent post, part of which I will put here:

    " Why this message to say the president Obama want to make terrorist like freedom fighters."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:56 pm on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Insinuation?[rolleyes]

    I can easily name many Muslim Brotherhood members in the Obama Administration. For example, Mohammad Elibiary, the head of Obama's Homeland Security advisory council who in September of 2013 was heavily criticized for using the controversial "R4BIA" four-finger Muslim Brotherhood salute symbol on his own Twitter profile picture.

    How many more Muslim Brotherhood members would you like me to list Treacy? I was merely attempting to find out if Walter was aware of the many Muslim Brotherhood members in the Obama Administration.[lol]

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 1:05 pm on Fri, Jul 18, 2014.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Andrew, Instead of insinuating that there are Muslim Brotherhood members in the Obama Administration, I think a better more convincing way to support your insinuation would be to say:

    "These are the members of the Obama Administration that are members of the Muslim Brotherhood" and then list them.

    But that might put you at risk of having nothing to support your insinuation.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:49 pm on Wed, Jul 16, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    How many members of the Muslim Brotherhood hold positions in the Obama administration Walter?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:03 pm on Tue, Jul 15, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1111

    Jien, welcome to the comments section. Please let me apologise for Lodi's most ignorant.

    Darrell's goal here is to enetertain and inflame.

    Fortunately, his audience is small but this is the only public forum available to rant in. So he's just taking his monthly turn on the soap box.

    His speciality is mud slinging and his favorite target is President Obama. Darrell's not a religious man so typically any mention of the Islam religion or Muslims in general, is just a "literary tool" used to incite the like minded (think: angry old white men with Low-T) into some sort of action (think: more blogging).

    Fact: Over the years Darrell's written hundreds of letters and posted thousands of comments here and elsewhere. Google shows activity dating all the way back to 2005. His large portfolio of hateful screeds is just a heavy rotation of tired reoccuring themes and those radical concepts popular in Archconservative/Retrogressive "Christian" media.

    He'll be back with another diatribe in less then thirty days.

    So stay tuned...

    [smile]

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 11:49 am on Tue, Jul 15, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 91

    I curios what the Darrel Baumbach want to accomplish with his message. As a Sikh I have had the curses and the spitting on and also one assault because many think I am Muslim. Lodi have many many peacful Sikh and Muslim here. Why this message to say the president Obama want to make terrorist like freedom fighters. Why. I am so sad to read these message.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:32 am on Tue, Jul 15, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Darrell said, "yet, in 2012, this Islamic University called for the U.N. to issue Sharia law, banning “insulting symbols of Islam” and “punish(ing) those who commit this crime.”

    Darrell's statement is 100% factual Mr. Barrow and quite easy to substantiate.

    See the 10th headline in the link below. It's on the Egypt State Information Service website, the ‎main informational, awareness and public relations agency for Egypt.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Templates/Categories/tmpSearchResult.aspx

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:26 am on Tue, Jul 15, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1477

    Darrell takes Obama’s respect of the second largest world religion with 1.6 billion members and makes a leap to Obama thinks terrorist are “enlightened freedom fighters”. These certainly are opinion pages because there is simply no facts to come to this conclusion.
    Also Darrell has had an ongoing fascination with sharia law but the example Darrell gives us of Al-Azhar University calling for the UN to implement sharia law doesn’t have much substantiation. It would have been nice if Darrell would have supplied a source. A google search of the quotes provided only turned up 1 result from an extreme anti-Islamic website called Atlas Shrugged.com founded by Pamela Geller. Pamela’s bio reads as follows, you can decide whether she’s a partisan hack or what.
    Pamela Geller is the founder, editor and publisher of Atlas Shrugs.com and President of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) and Stop Islamization of America (SIOA). She is the author of The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America, with Robert Spencer (foreword by Ambassador John Bolton) (Simon & Schuster); Freedom or Submission: On the Dangers of Islamic Extremism and American Complacency; and Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.

    http://pamelageller.com/about/

     

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