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Letter: Lodi will soon grow past its small-town charm

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Posted: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:00 am

First, I would like to thank the city of Lodi for bringing back “family day” to the lake on the 4th of July. A great time was had by all who came.

Also thank you for bringing back the Field and Fair Day to the Square on Labor Day.

These are two Lodi traditions that mean a lot to all of us who have been in Lodi for many years. Great memories for the older generation, and now it’s being handed down to the younger generations. Hopefully graduation at the Grape Bowl will also continue for tradition sake.

But, it is with great sadness that I see our small “livable, lovable Lodi” dying. At what point do we stop growing? If we are growing for the revenue, we will never be large enough. The proven fact is, the more you make, the more you spend. Is it that the newer people to Lodi don’t understand what it means to live in a small town?

Of course, Lodi is no longer the small town it used to be. Wikpedia shows Lodi’s population at an estimated 63,301 in 2012. That’s a far cry from the estimated 20,000 people that were here in the 1950s when I moved to town, or the 10,000 people in the 1930s when my great grandmother moved to town.

What is the vision, to be like Stockton or Elk Grove? If that is what the people of Lodi want, why don’t they move to a larger town? In the past few months I have read in the Lodi News-Sentinel that the city council has approved over 1,000 new homes in Lodi. According to Wikpedia, in 2010, the average household of Lodi was 3.35. That will bring us close to 70,000. We’re creeping up to that 100,000 mark.

Denise Surprenant


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  • Denise Surprenant posted at 8:40 am on Fri, Aug 15, 2014.

    Denise M Surprenant Posts: 2

    Thank you Bonna! Maybe people want Lodi to grow into another big city, but I for one would love to keep her as small and quaint as we possibly can. I don't mind traveling a few miles to shop at the stores not provided in Lodi, but for the most part everything you need is here. I see there are new candidates submitted for the Lodi City Council member race for this years election. People please educate yourself on each individuals vision for our city. What do they want? What do you want? Another thing I read that disturbs me .... City Council voted to implement "imminent domain" in our city? What's that all about? Thank you Joanne Mounce for voting against it. Wake up Lodi! You are about to lose your small town charm.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:35 pm on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    Mr Kinderman, I think we are all well aware of your opinions regarding human rights. My point was that we, as a society(if not necessarily as individuals), have put that behind us. Things can get better!

  • Bonna Conner posted at 9:05 pm on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Bonna Conner Posts: 1

    Oh dear!! How did this simple question of growth turn into politics, race and sexual preference?
    Denise because I live in Elk Grove and understand what can happen to the beautiful small town of Lodi there is a great need for the citizens to pay attention to what decisions the city council makes for the growth of Lodi.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:24 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1669

    I would like to encourage MR Kinderman in his quest to embark on an open discussion of race. It is a conversation, as Mr Holder said, needed in this country and long over due. MR Kinderman has been so eloquent here in the past in showing his interest in the subject. However I think we need a different LTE, one more on the topic to begin.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:12 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1602

    Jerome you stated "it was gleefully pronounced that if he were to be elected as our first black president, it (he) would usher in a new post-racial era for the United States."
    Could you please point out from whom this proclamation came from? I've looked and can't seem to track it down. I was surprised to hear of this proclamation because I definitely remember when Barrack was first elected many of my conservative friends were amazed that a black man was President and along with myself wondered if he might be in grave danger. Not at all a new post racial era.

  • Simon Birch posted at 7:22 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 170 Staff

    Mr. Kinderman, The issue at hand here is simple: Steve Schmidt has asked not to be referred to by a specific honorific. I said we'll expect other commenters to respect that request. End of this issue.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:20 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    I, for one, have been very disappointed with the way President Obama has tried to compromise with the GOP obstructionists in Congress. These people are impervious to reason or civility. The only way to deal with them is to go over, under, around or through them.

    In this sense, Hillary will be a welcome change. She knows that the only way to deal with the GOP is to remove them from power.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:53 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1669

    Aaaahhh et tu brutus. I stand corrected.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:58 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    As much as I know you'd like to draw me in with your not-so-veiled attempt to segue into the homosexual marriage debate, I I'll politely demur at this time. Still, it would be fun to debate just what is a "basic human right" is.

    But take note that I do take offense at your "evil prophets of hate" notion. However, as someone who truly believes that I have no right to not be offended, that doesn't mean I won't continue to want to live in a nation that is good and decent.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:47 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    So now it's "Herr" vs. "Mr.," eh? Hmm, such a serious problem in light of all other pressing issues we should be attempting to solve within our little Bürg.

    I can understand why someone would rather be addressed as Mr. considering that Herr is rarely used in the United States to formally address a man. And since at this point in time we don't have too many illegal aliens from Germany crossing any of our borders, perhaps Señor would be more acceptable, sí? With a surname such as mine, Herr might serve as a little comic relief from time to time.

    Or is this one of those much ado about nothing thingies just as it was back when I was the subject of all the unfounded accusations regarding this very subject. Frankly, unless the aforementioned Herr was meant in some disparaging manner, I wouldn't think it merited so much attention from the LNS Authorities. After all, I didn't notice any "Sieg heil" placed before Herr.

  • Christina Welch posted at 9:16 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 460

    I think "Joy to the World" is a little more upbeat, Walter [wink]

    But, I think I get your meaning by using this hymn...

  • Ed Walters posted at 7:23 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 632

    Without all the hype, I will stick to the question, yes Lodi will loose it`s small town charm and sooner or later look like Elk Grove, or heaven forbid, Stockton. And Walter, I know you mean well, however might you possibly condense your post.

  • Simon Birch posted at 7:21 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 170 Staff

    OK. Those were a couple of freebies. Let's move on. — Monsieur Birch

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:05 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1669

    Senior Dockter. One guestion at a time. Mr Doyle ask his first. Besides yours is ridiculous. Of course there is always something to complain about. Wanna talk about Bush?

  • Simon Birch posted at 7:03 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 170 Staff

    I looked at that form of address and wondered if I should let it go. We'll expect other commenters to respect your request it not be used when referring to you from now on.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:52 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    Chuckle. I think the conclusions to be drawn from Mr Kinderman's post are obvious, if not rather disappointing. [sad]

    That said, I think the bigotry that divides us today may be on its way out. One need only look at the gay marriage issue to see that it is often darkest before the dawn. Ten years ago, homophobia seemed to be an unstoppable tide as state after state deprived many of their citizens of their basic human rights. Today the tide of Freedom is at an all time high. Ten years from now, I suspect that children will have a hard time believing that we once allowed ourselves to be ruled by such evil prophets of hate.

    Things can change for the better and sometimes they actually do.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:43 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    Jerome, if its is any comfort, I ALWAYS contemplate the content of your character when I read your posts.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:41 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    Brian, here in America, the proper term of address for a man to use when addressing another man is "Mr." I would appreciate it if, in your future posts you would address me as Mr Schmidt.

    Thanks, in advance, for your courtesy.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:40 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    Jerome, I can tolerate your opinions while condemning them in the strongest terms. That's what America is all about.

    Honestly, I wish conservatives would feel more free to tell us how they really feel. I can't think of any stronger advertisement for progressives than an hour or two of frank and open discussion led by folks like Senator Larry "Wide Stance" Craig or Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin.

  • Walter Chang posted at 4:37 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1184

    "Complaint in sickness"

    In anger, Lord, rebuke me not;

    Withdraw the dreadful storm;

    Nor let thy fury grow so hot

    Against a feeble worm.

    My soul's bowed down with heavy cares,

    My flesh with pain oppressed;

    My couch is witness to my tears,

    My tears forbid my rest.

    Sorrow and pain wear out my days,

    I waste the night with cries,

    Counting the minutes as they pass,

    Till the slow morning rise.

    Shall I be still tormented more?

    Mine eye consumed with grief?

    How long, my God, how long before

    Thine hand afford relief?

    He hears when dust and ashes speak,

    He pities all our groans;

    He saves us for his mercy's sake,

    And heals our broken bones.

    The virtue of his sovereign word

    Restores our fainting breath;

    For silent graves praise not the Lord,

    Nor is he known in death.

    PSALM 6 C. M.

    The Psalms and Hymns of Isaac Watts - Christian Classics Ethereal Library


  • M. Doyle posted at 3:49 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 185

    You've made a bold accusation on a public forum and think it is "silly" and "rascally" that anyone would request evidence? Your claim is therefore unsubstantiated and can be discarded along with another recent claim of Leprechaun sitings.

    It does seem strange though that something you spend so much time railing about publicly would be "no one's business but my own." Is this a secret that only anti-Obamaites know about, this unnamed, hidden suffering?

  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:01 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1602

    It’s not surprising that many on the right feel uncomfortable about the actions and attitudes from the left. After years of the right condemning anyone who does not fit into their picture of what a good, respectable American citizen is, we are now seeing a change in societal acceptance and maybe more importantly demographics of what America looks like. This new picture of America does not sit well with those who have held control in a homogenous society where everybody they dealt with on a day to day basis pretty much conformed to their ideology or were afraid to speak against it. The power held for so long is quickly, maybe even more quickly than the left thought possible, shifting and it makes some nervous and maybe even fearful of the changes.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:10 pm on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Actually Mr. Dockter, ever since our oh-so-esteemed Attorney General pronounced that as a nation we're cowards when it comes to discussing matters concerning race, I've decided to take him up on that challenge. As a result, whenever the opportunity arises, I have and will continue to try and have adult conversations about the subject.

    What I've found though that when one is a middle-age, white man any attempt to do so has resulted in accusations of racism and bigotry. It's as if only those who are "of color" are permitted to start a discussion and unless practically presented with an engraved invitation, people like me are persona non grata. This is especially true on this specific forum and by a select group of folks who somehow consider themselves part of the "club," as it were.

    Awhile ago I wrote a column wherein I expressed my belief that AG Holder was actually correct with his assumption. But since he and his boss have gained power at the national level I find that it is often they themselves who are exacerbating the problem by sometimes fanning the fires that they were guilty of starting in the first place. It's as if they truly want racism to continue to be alive and "well" in America. Could this be true? Sadly, I believe it is. After all, if We the People were to actually start looking at the content of character rather than the color of their skin, or their sexual preferences, or their gender, or whatever else it might be that separates us, what else would the have to use to garner support for their liberalism? After all, it's my belief that hatred is the driving force behind the progressive movement in America. Naturally they'd disagree seeing as how they are always so tolerant and accepting of differing opinions and ideas. Wait a minute! No, in reality they are not tolerant and accepting at all. They just say that they are. It's one of those magic act watch my right hand while my left is doing something designed to fool you kinda thing.

    There was nothing mean-spirited or otherwise wrong with what I wrote using Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s words - and deep down inside they know it; but they will NEVER admit it.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:26 am on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Oh you silly, rascally liberals, you! First to M. Doyle - my referencing "we," I meant as a nation; but that's not to say that I'm not personally affected although discussing that here and now is not appropriate and clearly no one's business but mine. Nevertheless, in furtherance of that subject and Mr. Schmidt's concern over my reference to skin color, I wonder if when Dr. King made that statement, was he (that would be Mr. Schmidt, not Dr. King) as equally perplexed. Still, as we head toward the end of the Obama Administration how many of us recall when it was gleefully pronounced that if he were to be elected as our first black president, it (he) would usher in a new post-racial era for the United States. Yet, during my lifetime I have never witnessed a more polarized USA due to skin color alone than where we are right now. I find that rather curious, don't you Mr. Schmidt?

    Now I've never harbored any Pollyannaish notion that as a nation (that's for you M. Doyle, so you won't be confused) we would ever see completely eye-to-eye on these social matters simply because of one man's amazing ascendency to the highest office on the face of the planet. Amazing not because of his skin color, but because of his utter lack of qualifications for the job. In fact, it's fair to state that Barack Hussein Obama was elected president for little more than the fact that he is black - exactly what Dr. King was hoping would not happen.

    But if Mr. Schmidt wants to back-handedly wish to frame me as some sort of racist or bigot because of my use of Dr. King's own words and thoughts, he has the right to believe whatever he chooses - I really don't care what he believes. Yet, sadly by doing so he only affirms my beliefs about this so-called post-racial era that is now far worse than when Mr. Obama moved into the White House. This leaves me wondering out loud what Dr. King would think of President Obama had he been alive to witness this historical six-year period. Proud? Doubtful - VERY doubtful.

    Of course I do appreciate the opportunity to segue into these subjects that would find me innocent of violating Rule of Conduct No. 6.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:00 am on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    Herr Doyle,

    You're critical the phrase "what we've been through under this administration." as if there is nothing to complain about. Please be specific why you believe there is nothing to complain about the Obama Admin.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:45 am on Wed, Aug 13, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    While I am neither perplexed or surprised that Herr Schmidt would inject the race card in his comment, let's momentarily side with him in order to make the point that IF Mr. Kinderman is focusing on skin color it may only be due to the fact that Obama has made it a point to focus on his skin color in order to get his way. Now, I am anxious to hear from Mr. Schmidt why Obama would do nothing of the sort.

  • M. Doyle posted at 7:31 pm on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 185

    Jerome, you use the phrase "what we've been through under this administration." What exactly have you personally "been through"? Be specific.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:49 pm on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1669

    Thank you Steve...again

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:53 pm on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    Forget about being "like Stockton", given Stockton's current rate of metastasis, in 10 years we will be part of Stockton.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:51 pm on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2672

    I find Mr Kinderman's focus on skin color in the context of a letter about local politics perplexing if not surprising.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:44 am on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Denise Surprenant, you pose an interesting question when you ask "what is the vision" of Lodi. I suppose the answer rests with those we've chosen to lead us into the future - our City Council. After all, aren't they the ones who make the decisions that decide what housing projects and businesses are approved?

    When these folks are running for office I wonder if these questions are ever asked; and if they are and the answers do not reflect the will of the majority of Lodi's citizens, how are they elected? That would leave one very important question that clearly reveals the answer: why don't more people vote on Election Day?

    While this letter is about Lodi's future, it also asks salient questions about why people don't vote in county, state and federal elections either. Are they simply lazy; apathetic, or truly believing that their one lonely vote can't possibly make a difference? I suspect all three, but mostly the third - as I've heard that one for most of my voting life. Yet plenty of one votes equal a lot of votes when totaled. So I also wonder what it might take for this mid-term election to put people into office who might actually care about our communities and our nation so that things might get turned around.

    2008 was monumental as our first black president was elected. But after nearly six years, where are we now? Many Americans are waking up (finally!) to the realization that Martin Luther King, Jr. was absolutely correct: it should be the content of one's character, not the color of one's skin that should determine the value of a person. Yet I doubt he expected us to finally understand how true that is with what we've been through under this administration.

    In the final analysis, we not only need to vote, but we need to understand who we are voting for. Sadly, we had no such understanding in 2008.


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