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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:00 am
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Updated: 6:00 am, Tue Jun 26, 2012.
Will there be a change in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Random thoughts about the Tea Party, its enablers in the Republican Congress and transparency in government.
Many of the aforementioned profess unwavering commitment to the latter. Is it possible that in their zeal to promote this ideal, President Mitt and his right-thinking gang will change the Pledge of Allegiance?
What a stirring sight it would be to see a classroom full of preschoolers standing by their desks, hands over the heart, facing Old Glory and reciting the new pledge:
I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United Corporations of America and to the Oligarchy for which it stands, one conspiracy, using the name of God, with tax cuts and max profits for the rich.
Tongue in cheek? Yes. Facetious? Some may think so. Frighteningly true and scary to think about? You decide before you vote.
Lucian Neely
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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:00 am.
Updated: 6:00 am.
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Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:51 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Of course, as far as me calling you a liar one time, it could be that you were simply mistaken. I think I may have overstated your intent.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:27 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Mr Chang... same in my family...Many changed their spelling from
Baumbach to Baumback . I really do not understand why Ms Bobin does not believe you are who you say you are. I have not doubted your sincerity or truthfulness once. You seem to be honest.
Walter Chang posted at 4:54 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Wa Chéng. Our family uses an a instead.
Do you doubt everyone on here??
Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:11 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Ms Bobin is very perceptive... I admit it.. Walter Chang and I are one twin brothers.
Joe Baxter posted at 10:57 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Sure he is real, a relative of Florence McSpoon, I believe. [wink]
Joanne Bobin posted at 8:55 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Just out of curiosity....who in this forum REALLY believes that "Walter Chang" is a REAL person - or at least that Walter Chang is his real name?
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:26 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Mr Chang stated...Fortunately we all come together on Independence Day. Lets focus on that.
I guess a day of delusion and fantasy is good for the soul... Good idea Mr Chang.
Joe....I appreciated your post at 3:30 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012... you addressed so many concerns that are so important. Thank you.
Walter Chang posted at 8:22 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Joe, you're a fit man.
It sounds like you'll make many more ceremonies.
Fortunately we all come together on Independence Day.
Lets focus on that.
For now, I suggest we chill and let this thread die gracefully.
Joe Baxter posted at 5:27 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Mr. Chang, my blood pressure is 120/74 at last check, I am wearing a my 44 year old military uniform (yes, it still fits albeit "somewhat" snugly) in a 4th of July ceremony at Travis AFB. If America's health was as good as mine I would be delighted. I have my own personal views on abortion but in the grand scheme of keeping America free and prosperous, it isn't on the top of my list. There are times when being "devisive" isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Walter Chang posted at 4:37 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
"you come here to mock and ridicule other posters who do not agree"
Joe, not true at all, I only mock the mean spirited!!
Meanwhile, you're busy being divisive. How does that help?
And you didn't even touch on the most important issue for America: Abortion.
Not an issue or just forgot?
I don't fear Islam. I don't fear homosexuals. I'm for equality.
Regarding liberal ideology is public schools, the grand kids seem knowledgeable, balanced and they excel.
You have a lot of concerns, how's your blood pressure and weight??
Joe Baxter posted at 3:41 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Oh dang,sorry, I forgot it is all Bush's fault, my apologies.
Joe Baxter posted at 3:30 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Chang posted "Then I come here to the LNS comments section to listen to angry people whine and complain!! "
No, Mr. Chang, you come here to mock and ridicule other posters who do not agree with your philosophy of life and political affiliation.
Your lifestyle description sounds like millions of other normal American people.
Do you believe America is unique and the best country in the world? Are you prepared to defend your freedoms from both foreign AND domestic enemies? Are you OK with public schools indoctrinating our children in liberalism and omit conservative ideology in the classroom? Are you OK with most media presenting only news that extols the virtues of liberal ideology and exclude anything that presents liberalism in a negtave light? Are you OK with tens of millions of illegals living in America fleecing the hard working taxpayers out of millions every day? Are you OK with homosexuals pushing their agenda on young school children? Are you OK with generations of people who have figured out how to live on welfare and subsitence programs even when employment is available? Are you OK with the Federal Government spending America into bankrupcty? Are you OK with the Federal Government wasting BILLIONS on failed projects (think Solyndra, et al). Are you OK with Islamics plotting the demise of Christianity and America right here on American soil? Wake up Mr. Chang, all is not well at the homefront. If you are not involved to keep America safe AND free, you aren't doing much for America.
Walter Chang posted at 2:25 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
"what Walter has done for America?"
Joe, I pay my taxes. I shop local. I raised and college educated my children. I invest in American stock and mutual funds, and California real estate. I contribute to my Grand children's education IRAs. I give to charity. I tithe at church. I volunteer at club activities. I try to conserve and to be as green as possible. I drive modern safe "made in America" cars. I have LED light bulbs throughout the house. I recycle. I use solvents and cleanser that do not release any volatile organic compounds into the air. I give our excess lightly used garments and household items to Goodwill. I vote! I eat healthy and exercise daily. I stop and give thanks for my blessings multiple times a day!
Then I come here to the LNS comments section to listen to angry people whine and complain!!
Joe Baxter posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Darrell, apparently he is bothered by my belief in American patriotism. Makes me wonder where HIS loyalties lie. Wonder just what Walter has done for America? Most likely another liberal with their hand out wanting FREE stuff from taxpayers.
Joe Baxter posted at 10:12 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
ATF agents under oath. I will believe them before I believe Obama the Liar and Holder the Horrible any day. They were ORDERED not to interfere and arrest anybody. In case you missed it:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b5_1308198279
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:29 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Mr Chang stated...Darrell, please defend this classy example Joe offered earlier today..
Actually, I am more interesting in specifics of what you perceive about Jo'e post. What do you not appreciate it. You always seem to mock others without contributing anything as to what is appropriate. I see nothing to defend or attack in his post... he simply gave his oppinion. If I knew what bothered you so much I might be able to help you out.
Walter Chang posted at 10:59 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
"So, you are against American patriotism? The pukes that want to neuter American patriotism and loyalty me physically ill. Nothing is holding these people back to move to another country that they deem better. See Ya. Mr. Heuer, in your case I will help you pack."
Darrell, please defend this classy example Joe offered earlier today.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:25 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
Mr Chang stated...Joe, you're on a roll! Yeah! Lots of lashing out going on...
Lashing out? how are to defining Lashing out. Looks like Joe was making an observation about Mr Heuer's liberalism and offered a nice suggestion...
He kindly stated... " You might discover there is another world out there besides the one the liberal media wants you to believe."...
Walter Chang posted at 10:04 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
Joe, you're on a roll! Yeah!
Lots of lashing out going on...
So why are you so angry tonight???
Hmmm????
Joe Baxter posted at 8:29 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
Did you not view the clip with the press secretary telling reporters that OBAMA ordered Fast & Furious? My GAWD, what is it going to take for you to realize the truth? Straight from the "horses mouth", so to speak, and you still deny it? Sad, truly sad.
Joe Baxter posted at 8:26 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
Mr. Heuer, you live in a fantasy world don't you? I know it is really hard for your liberal brain to absorb real life events. You need to turn your TV to channels that don't fill your brain with liberal lies. Don't be so lazy and research unbiased information for the TRUTH. You might discover there is another world out there besides the one the liberal media wants you to believe.
Joe Baxter posted at 8:21 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
Nothing better than reading whiny liberals attempt to define conservatives. It is a true insight to their lack of mental acuity. Oh well, they are good for laughs.
Joe Baxter posted at 12:19 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
So, you are against American patriotism? The pukes that want to neuter American patriiotism and loyalty me physically ill. Nothing is holding these people back to move to another country that they deem better. See Ya. Mr. Heuer, in your case I will help you pack.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:11 am on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
I have heard those explanations as well... and you may be right in some cases... but unless you think all democrats are bankrupt of morality and make all decisions based on getting reelected, I suggest you might consider some democrats voted because they believed the four ATF agents who had nothing to gain and everything to lose by testifying.
Thomas Heuer posted at 9:16 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
No Darrell the democrats joined in for 2 reasons:
1 The NRA said they would be watching the vote and those democrats from strong 2nd amenment states would be marked at election time by the NRA. The NRA and some conservatives feel Fast and Furious was a plot to find grounds for gun restrictions.
2 They knew this was going no where so they dodged a bullit by voting (OK pun intended).
Thomas Heuer posted at 6:36 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Interesting site Joanne and provides insight into Darrells Alinsky hangup[smile]
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:02 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Mr Heuer stated...I watched the hearing videos of the agents testimony and it is notheing...
Some people watched the Watergate hearings, the Iran Contra Affair and Clintons impeachment prodeedings Iand said the exact same thing as you on this case...
I disagree with you as does many demoncrats in the senate who thought t was very significant. Glad you took the time to hear the tapes...maybe you can go back an review again and listen closely.
Thomas Heuer posted at 4:45 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Darrell
I watched the hearing videos of the agents testimony and it is notheing. NOTHING. After their testimony low life Issa goes back to ask questions of the family. Why? Do you even know what the family members are doing there? The investigation is to determine what happened to the weapons and whos responsible? The family is just a side show for political and emotional display. Its all a political show. You don't get that? Its tragic about the slain agent but thats a separate issue. The murderer should be sought and tried for murder. Oh we are going to hold Holder in contempt of court. Whoa lights flash, news headlines "Its never been done". unprecidented... For what? Political grandstanding. Pandering to right wing conspiracy nuts, letting them think oh theres corruption we just know it we just can't say what but now we're going to get em. Guess what Wash Post headlines Holders decision to withhold information about the gun tracking operation from congress does not constitute a crime. and he won't be prosecuted for contempt.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:23 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Mr Heuer stated...You then actually believe you made the situation better.
Sorry Mr Heuer, your imagination has gotten the better of you. My intent is to express what I think about events, ideas and thoughts. I do not think what I have to say is any more important or meaningful than what you or anyone else has to say. I do not think what I do or say results in making things betteras I am not participating in this with that anticipation.. My goal is to clarify what I perceive to be right or wrong and evolve my thinking to be more accurate.
I always tell the truth as a perceive it. I think you also state what you think is truth but in my case are badly mistaken.
There is not one post of mine that you can illustrate and prove a lie...all 7000+ of them... reason being is that I can substantiate and explain everything I say. I never worry about what I say as truth is easy to defend.
Thomas Heuer posted at 12:18 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
No CNN reprints an article from Fortune
Thomas Heuer posted at 12:13 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Good post Bob. Yeah real good.
Thomas Heuer posted at 12:10 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
No Darrell you are the hypocrit and by stateing you "articulate truth" shows the degree of your removal from reality. "Admitting what you are ...is your first step to being a better person." Joanne is right your response to Walter was very Juvenile. Even your response to Joanne as ever was demeaning and childish.
If you could truely attempt to be honest you might prove to be a valuable poster. Instead your like a graffiti writer that when some one builds a fence {enter a post) you run up with your spray can and write a bunch of carp allover it. You then actually believe you made the situation better. If I were to discover you were paid by LNS to post insiteful and erroneous Carp I might take a different view. Until then your the graffiti writer. Doggedly monitoring all posts not for truth but the party line. If a conservative posts stupid distortions they get a pass from you. Some variance from accepted party line automatically is grafettied with accusations of lies distortions, ridicule, absurdity which is your hypocracy.
Steve Schmidt posted at 11:45 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Conservatives in America are defined by their hypocrisy, both as a movement and as individuals.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:24 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Once again, Ms Bobin characterizes my post in a false light.
Mr Chang accused me of hypocrisy and lack of charater. I could have ignored that but I preferred not to. Instead, I articulated truth in a way I felt made points.
Ms Bobin is so desensitized from her own lies and distortions that she sees it as child's play. She is the ultimate pro in divisive behavior.
No,I take it seriously and respond in like kind...Not child's play for me at all.
Joanne Bobin posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Once again - to be expected - Mr. Baumbach reverts back to the Kindergarten playground with his "I'm rubber, you're glue - everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you."
Grow up, Mr. Baumbach.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:31 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
.Mr Chang stated...Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have.
Congratulations! Understanding oneself is the first step in perception meeting reality.
Admitting what you are and do not want to be is your first step to being a better person. Almost every post you submitted was filled with hypocrisy according to your definition and I am surprised to see you admit it. Hopefully, now that you confessed, it will result in dialogue of good nature and honesty.
I look forward to it.[smile]
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:01 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
I posted the entire post Mr Chang... no editing... it is very clear that you stated I endorced theblaze.com... it is equally clear that I clarified I performed a google search to fing the article I was addressing and did not know whose website it was. I. I also took the time to state then and now, I DO NOT encourage anyone to use that website.
I think the thing to learn from this is that my "special brand of truth" is much different than yours. I do not distort what I perceive to be the truth. It appears that you do.
Walter Chang posted at 5:52 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Darrell: The Definition of Hypocrisy (from Wikipedia)
Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs,
principles, etc., that one does not actually have.
Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.
Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches.
Bob Silvano posted at 8:16 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Lucian,
I'd seek help if I were you. Think about it. A school student recites the pledge of allegiance approxomately 1600 times during the 13 years they're in K-12. That's a rediculous amount of redundancy. Just how many times does one have to take the pledge before it becomes binding? And....that's not including special events and sporting events. Do you REALLY think that a change in the pledge is going to change anything? Grow up !!!
Walter Chang posted at 6:40 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Darrell, please post the link to the message that you just quoted earlier.
So everybody can see the whole thread. I don't know how to search here.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:16 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Mr Chang stated...I never heard of "the blaze"...
Mr Chang... you and I are in the same boat... I had not heard of it as well...steve schmidt had to tell me that it was Becks website... He first said it was Larry Flint's
website and I did not dispute that.
Why would I recommend the Blaze when I never used it.
Walter Chang posted at 4:57 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
"YOU ARE A BLATANT LIAR". Below what is what I actually stated..."
Darrell, please post the link to the message that you just quoted.
So everybody can see the whole thread. I don't know how to search here.
I never heard of "the blaze"...
Until you posted a link to it on the end of one of your earlier proclamations.
I assumed you posted by mistake and typed in where you're going to browse next.
You know, looking for more of your "special brand of truth".
That's why I teased you!! Wake up!!
Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:38 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Ms Bobin... nice comedy... you see things that are now there and now are inviting me to do the same. Sorry... I do not see left wing agents lurking anywhere. Do not think they are thugs. I think organizations like CNN,MSNBC and CBS are biased to the left and support Obama. I also think Fox is biased to the right and support Romney in this years election...
I prefer CSPAN as they are not left or right... but independent.
As far as reality TV... that is your terminology, not mine. I watch "So you think you can dance"...you called that reality TV... I call it an entertaining dance show... and I admit... I think they are really dancing.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:25 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Mr Chang stated...In Darrell’s quest for “truth” he’s previously recommended: http://theblaze.com
Mr Chang..."YOU ARE A BLATANT LIAR". Below what is what I actually stated...
Darrell posted at 7:03 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012... Mr Chang stated"http://www.theblaze.com/"Darrell, lovely website.What's your excuse this time? HeHeHe...
I responded...sorry... I did a Google search of " store owner shoots thief" and this article came up. If there is something wrong with the content, please correct it. I have never been to this web site ( except for this article) and do not endorse it in any way.
Are you saying they did not quote the store owner's wife correctly? If so, please provide what was said. Since truth is most important, I appreciate any correction that is not accurate.
If the quote was accurate, which I think it was, what was your point of questioning the source?
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:33 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
This is no doubt the Baumbach Bible. Much of what is said here sounds VERY MUCH like what Mr. Baumbach wrote below because you know he didn't actually read a biography of Alinsky or "Rules for Radicals."
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/the-best-quotes-from-saul-alinskys-rules-for-radicals/
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Mr. Chang: Mr. Baumbach is well known in this forum for mocking everyone else's sources for news. He is so paranoid about the so-called left-wing media that he believes there are agents of the left-wing lurking around every corner in America just waiting to brainwash the population with left-thinking ideas. Every person ever polled, in which the poll favored the left has been attacked, tied down, and brainwashed by this gang of left-wing thugs!
This from a man who watches CSPAN and reality shows like America's Got Talent and believes it is ALL real.
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:23 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
I'm not trying to say anything of the sort, but I see that you are obviously pro the George Walker Bush program since you vigorously defended it and claimed it was nothing like the Obama program.
In actuality, neither was designed or ordered by either administration. The ATF thought up these fiascos on there own and the Justice Department was investigating, thus the ATF agents (whistle blowers) testifying in Congress.
Even Darrell Issa said last weekend in an interview that he had no reason to believe that the White House was involved.
Mr. Baxter wrote:
"You don't think that Obama, et al, wouldn't use the proof that guns the cartels use were purchased in American arms dealers to clamp down on gun sales? Silly girl, you are supposed to get wiser with age. Apparently you escaped that delimna."
Do YOU think that no one should question 18 year olds coming in with thousands and thousands of dollars and buying automatic weapons, claiming they were for personal use?
These people were so bold that they resold them in the parking lots outside the gun stores.
But YOU think there should be no restriction on gun sales. Too many NRA members are just a bunch of paranoid morons with no morals.
Walter Chang posted at 7:49 am on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
“an absurd article from CNN; a branch of the democratic party.”
Darrell wants YOU to watch his specially selected video.
Do not watch or read anything else regarding “Fast and Furious”.
Everything YOU need to know is included within this specially selected video.
In Darrell’s quest for “truth” he’s previously recommended: http://theblaze.com
Darrell wants YOU to believe he’s not being absurd.
People, don’t listen to Darrell.
Please research the facts and think for yourself!!
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:04 am on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Mr Chang posts an absurd article from CNN; a branch of the democratic party.
In this article it stated that Fortune did a study , reviewed this case and concluded that Fast and Furious started because of a grudge, specifically Dodson's anger at Voth... that is comical at best... that would be like listening to the Nixon administration saying they didn't do anything wrong... and believing them.
Anyone who followed this case saw hours of testimony on cspan where 4 ATF agents testified under oath. One would have to be very gullible to believe people who were involved now saying they never let guns walk....of course they are saying that now as they want to avoid losing their jobs and possible jail time.
roy bitz posted at 9:27 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Did she really say---"President Romney and his right thinking GANG?"
Sounds like Newly has already conceded--- given up on the Chicago gang.
Love it.
Thomas Heuer posted at 6:26 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Yes Thank you thank you. I heard a partial report on this today saying the source was Fortune Magazine. This should be interesting and I plan on reading it. Sorry about your earlier post I didn't think it was as bad as the idiot thinking blacks were better off as slaves. I was supurised that it even got posted. [smile][smile]
Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:56 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
No...Steve is the model of no real thought... Alinsky was a very bright man who Clinton and Obama admire ... Steve... is simply bizarre.
Joe Baxter posted at 5:10 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
I am thinking the LNS didn't take kindly to Walter Chang referring to this forum as a "dark dank hole"?
Joe Baxter posted at 5:00 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
BOBBIN, just what are you trying to say? GWB did it and it was a bad thing but when BHO did it it suddenly became a good thing? Sorry, can't have it both ways. Either it's ALL good or ALL bad. I know it knots you up to realize your idol, St. Barry, might not be the god-like icon you want him to be, but facts are facts. Buck up old girl.
Joe Baxter posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
You don't think that Obama, et al, wouldn't use the proof that guns the cartels use were purchased in American arms dealers to clamp down on gun sales? Silly girl, you are supposed to get wiser with age. Apparently you escaped that delimna.
Walter Chang posted at 3:52 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Here's a bit more of the story...
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
[beam]
Steve Schmidt posted at 3:49 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Alinsky is DB's magical talisman against real thought.
Steve Schmidt posted at 3:46 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
When baggers who habitually refer to the President of the United States as a Marxist, a Muslim, a N-A-Z-I and worse, take offense at the term "Teabag Taliban", well..... you just have to laugh at the unintended irony.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:11 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Mr Heuer stated...This is not objecive information. It is the family of the slain agent testifying and is heart tugging as would be expected but sheds little light on the fast and furious episode
No Mr Heuer, you did not bother to watch the video... at 14:00, Special agent Dodson testified...at 26:30 special agent Forelli testified... these agents feared for their job and life in coming forward as whistle blowers... now you are just blowing them off... you should be ashamed...
Watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrNpZ6cBqcE
Joe Baxter posted at 2:04 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
BOBBIN posted "The programs were basically the same, Mr. Baxter, and the Justice Department was in the middle of investigating and prosecuting those involved"
The optimal word here is "Basically". My dog is "basically" like the neighbors dog except my neighbors dog barks all the time and bites people, mine doesn't. So why isn't the "Justice" department investigating and prosecuting those involved in "Fast & Furious"? Would that be the same "Justice" department that is stonewalling information through "Presidential Edict" to hide the TRUTH?
Get real, Obama and Holder are directly responsible and to chicken sh** to fess up. Liberals would dearly love to blame this on Bush, sorry Toots, tain't so. Next you will be blaming GWB for Obama telling us "The private sector is doing just fine".
Just for your eyes, BOBBIN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFrApLNmjtk
Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:45 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Mr Kinderman stated...No, you must be talking about someone else.
Jerry, interesting how Mr Chang's perception is so far off reality.... you are
so right about my life. I feel blessed and appreciate each minute of each day.
I wouldn't want to be anyone other than me as I love who I am... sad lot in life?...hardly, its my good fortune and pleasure.[beam][thumbup]
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:22 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Mr. Baxter wrote: "In my opinion, they intended to use garnerned information in an effort to pass stricter gun controls in America. Oops, backfired, eh?"
You DID mean to say that you AGREE with the conspiracy theorists at the NRA (Wayne LaPierre especially who has been mouthing off on this bogus theory for months), and with Rep. Issa, that this was another of the secret Obama agendas for "fundamentally changing the United States," as one commenter in this forum continually whines.
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:17 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Good observation, Mr. "Chang."
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:14 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Mr. Baxter wrote: "Nope, he is referring to the Operation Fast and Furious that was sanctioned by Obama and Holder. A botched fiasco that resulted in a dead Border Patrol agent and hundreds of Mexican deaths. Nobody died in Operation Gunrunner under GWB. If people don't know the difference between the two operations, they should at least find out before shooting their liberal mouths off."
The programs were basically the same, Mr. Baxter, and the Justice Department was in the middle of investigating and prosecuting those involved, so before YOU go shooting YOUR mouth off, you should check out more sources than the usual slanted right-wing news outlets.
Mr. Baumbach - who obviously doesn't believe Mr. Baxter's version, subsequently wrote:
"Really ms Bobin... can you please provide a link substantiating that guns walked under Bush. Walking is defined as releasing guns without any way to trace and follow their migration.
ATF Special Agent John Dodson and 3 other officers testified before the Senate that for the first time in history, ATF participated in gun walking... Were these agents telling lies? No one on the committee accused them of anything wrong. "
Really, Mr. Baumbach? You must get out more often. There has been talk about the ATFE program under George Walker Bush for almost a year. It has been variously called, as Mr. Baxter stated, "Project Gunrunner," and "Operation Wide Receiver."
Here is a link to an article from the AP (and please just research it yourself instead of complaining that the AP is biased or whatever BS you usually complain about):
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-sources-bush-era-probe-involved-guns-walking-193626306.html
And maybe the ATFE agents did lie. Do you think they wanted to risk losing their taxpayer funded jobs and pensions?
Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:06 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
"Sad lot in life?" - surely you're not referring to Darrell Baumbach. Here's a guy who travels the world enjoying different cultures visiting places most of us only dream of. No, you must be talking about someone else.
As an aside, I just noticed that the good folks at the LNS have provided us with a small grouping of emoticons. Oh boy!! [cool]
Thomas Heuer posted at 9:18 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
I don't know why I can't respond directly to posts here since there is no reply button. I guess there is a limit to the layered depth replys can go. Anyway this is probably the second time Darrell has taken the wind out of my sails and given what I percieve as a straight and genuine reply. Jerome may think you wasted your time but I genuinly appreciate the direct explanation to clarify an otherwise unclear point taken. I could raise a criticism but I won't and instead I choose to take in the moment here. Carry on. Did I mention I like the history?
Brian Dockter posted at 9:13 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Actually, Ms. Neely, if the feds didn't make it so easy to circumvent paying taxes those 50 percent that don't may pay their share. Not only do they not pay any taxes because of this, it is also because the feds expect too much from the masses. If the feds were to back off on the tax rates you would see more people willing to pay taxes. But for now, we'll continue to have corporations with their corporate headquarters offshore becauzse they are tired of the huge tax rate they must pay to the feds. Cisco alone has 40 billion dollars in offshore accounts away from the greedy hands of the feds.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:38 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
So why would I state Alinsky would be proud of Steve... was I flippant or did I have reason to draw that conclusion?
Alinsky considered himself a radical as a means to justify his behavior. He felt a radical had the courage to take action and do what ever it took to achieve success in what he wanted done. Even going to war in one's own community. He stated” In war, the end justifies almost any means (Alinsky 1972: 29-30).
Alinsky claimed a good community organizer is one who is perceived as an agitator and a thorn in the side of the opposition. Steve's participation in these blogs fits Alinsky's idea perfectly. Alinsky's ideas and strategies have been taught by Obama when he was a profession in Chicago. It is documented.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:19 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Mr Heuer stated...That's it? No intelligent response so go to the party playbook and invoke the name of Alinzky and double down with Marx since theres a good chance people outside the party don't know who Alinzky is or suppose to be?
Mr Heuer, I can not control you. If you decide to be unaware and ignorant and choose to perceive I had no thought behind my post, that is your problem.
I will explain since you evidently are too lazy to read.
Alinsky was a brilliant and creative man. He did not like liberals and considered himself a radical.
Alinsky stated...” The Radical may resort to the sword but when he does he is not filled with hatred against those individuals whom he attacks. He hates these individuals not as persons but as symbols representing ideas or interests which he believes to be inimical to the welfare of the people. (Alinsky 1946: 23)
His best skill was in developing strategy in how to engage with power structures effectively...specificly with organizations with absolute power and those with none and no desire to get any...he embraced the idea that a person who wants to be effective in politics has to learn to be‘unprincipled’ enough to compromise in order to see their principles succeed.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:23 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Mr Chang stated...Out in the real world, your mediocrity smacks you square in the face every morning.
More mocking and ridicule Mr Chang... Everyone is waiting for the day you offer something that required thought, consideration and/or contemplation. You appear to be an intelligent man that has much to offer the world...too bad you decided to be a court jester.
Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:17 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Seeking an "intelligent" response in reply to such sophomoric remarks doesn't make much sense; although I believe Mr. Baumbach's retort was far more intellectual and humorous than what should have been expected or even deserved.
As a general rule I simply ignore certain contributors who have so little to offer.
Joe Baxter posted at 5:51 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Tommy Boy, if you can't see the "distortion" in Schmiddy's post by referring to the Tea Party as "Teabag Taliban" then you are indeed as dense as your posts indicate. No distortion then if the Democrats are referred to as the 'N a z i Donkeys"?
Thomas Heuer posted at 11:07 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Jerome your like the kid getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar who got caught and says, "what a guy can't walk through the kitchen like any body else?"
Your busted.
Thomas Heuer posted at 11:02 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Thats it? No intelligent response so go to the party playbook and invoke the name of Alinzky and double down with Marx since theres a good chance people outside the party don't know who Alinzky is or suppose to be? You can't explain the "distortion" or what was "misdirected" but decided it was "first class"? Oh yeah, oh yeah then hit him with the community organizer that will get him if we can ever find out what the problem with community organizer is. HMMM maybe that is just what we need an organizer, not a Washington insider, willing to compromise...I think we have the man in the White House we need. Lets tell Jerome. Hang in there Steve your doing a great job.
Thomas Heuer posted at 10:40 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
This is not objecive information. It is the family of the slain agent testifying and is heart tugging as would be expected but sheds little light on the fast and furious episode. As has been said the slain agent would have been shot regardless what the source of any gun was involved. Their testimony is pointless and serves only to emotionalize the hearing to gain publicity for political gain. The family is looking for someone to sue since they can't successfully sue the drug cartel for their loss. This YouTube is very long and hard to sit through. I couldn't watch till the end since I saw no reason.
Darrell Issa has continued to be an embarrasment to California since our recall election.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:55 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Both Alinsky and Marx would be proud of you Steve. Your distortion and misdirection was first class. Out of curiosity, have you ever thought of being a community organizer?
Steve Schmidt posted at 8:18 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
What's your middle name Jerry?
Steve Schmidt posted at 8:15 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
A member of the Teabag Taliban was defending slavery on another thread today and I was reminded of the absurdity inherent in the GOP, a party that was founded in opposition to the concept of states rights, seeking to defederalize the national government.
Abraham Lincoln must be rolling in his grave.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:07 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Eric stated...I've been listening to the right complain about Fast and Furius for a couple of days
I've been listening to CSPAN for one year...
Eric.. stop listening to the left or the right....If you want objective information, watch the testimony of the four ATF agents who testified.
Watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrNpZ6cBqcE
Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:58 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Will someone please explain to me what is so wrong with identifying anyone by their full name? Each time I refer to the President of the United States as Barack Hussein Obama, I get an "earful" of negative comments. Is that not his name? When referring to the finest president during my lifetime (Ronald Wilson Reagan), I was never criticized (although his detractors like to point out that each of his names contained six letters each – 666). I also referred to Bill Clinton as William Jefferson Clinton and still do to this day. One guy (who never became president) that had a rather funny name, Hubert Horatio Humphrey was often referred to by his full given name. Oh, and what about FDR – Franklin Delano Roosevelt? Why no complaints with that? Of course I could never spell out Harry S Truman’s name because he had no middle name other than “S” which is usually inserted without the period. Finally, there’s George Herbert Walker Bush – he’s got TWO middle names! Any complaints? I didn’t think so.
The fact that our current president's parents found it fitting to give him the middle name of Hussein should be something to take up with them; although that's impossible because both of them are no longer alive. It would have been nice if someone had done some checking on that back when he was first running for president if for no other reason than to understand why.
As for the claim that I only use his middle name as an attempt to connect Obama to Islam is in and of itself comical as I don’t recall ever writing about his religion; and I’m sure I’ve never intimated that he is or ever was Muslim. So why worry about it? People sure can be petty.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:57 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Really ms Bobin... can you please provide a link substantiating that guns walked under Bush. Walking is defined as releasing guns without any way to trace and follow their migration.
ATF Special Agent John Dodson and 3 other officers testified before the Senate that for the first time in history, ATF participated in gun walking... Were these agents telling lies? No one on the committee accused them of anything wrong.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:46 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
I gut it depends on how one defines Loony and wacky... It appears that in Mr Chang's perception... any post that substantiates any position the right asserts as true... is automatically wacky.
Since Mr Chang spends 94.76 % of his posts simply mocking all on the right, it is difficult to know what his positions really are.
Joe Baxter posted at 5:17 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Eric, coincidental, I assure you. I do not watch, listen or read Rush. Not impossible for more than one person to come to the same conclusion about anything. I am a lifetime member of the NRA and a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment.
Eric Barrow posted at 4:23 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Joe you said that "In my opinion, they intended to use garnerned information in an effort to pass stricter gun controls in America. Oops, backfired, eh?" Wow that's exactly what Rush said.
Joe Baxter posted at 4:14 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Eric, are you kidding me? If anyone that belongs to the NRA so much as passes gas in church it would be HEADLINE NEWS. The NRA can't keep the liberal press from suppressing that kind of information. True enough, guns are an inamimate object and are incapable, on their own, from harming anyone. But Operation Fast & Furious purposely put thousands of high caliber weapons in the hands of proven murderers, the Mexican drug cartel. In my opinion, they intended to use garnerned information in an effort to pass stricter gun controls in America. Oops, backfired, eh? Obama and Holder need to "man up" and admit their involvement. But that would take integrity that neither possess.
Eric Barrow posted at 3:17 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
I've been listening to the right complain about Fast and Furius for a couple of days and I was thinking that one motto of the right is that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Kim are you saying that if there had been less guns walked over their might have been less people killed? Interesting premise if there had been less guns on the streets in the Mexican border towns there might be less violence.
Joe maybe it's not the liberal press but the NRA that is suppressing this story.
Joe Baxter posted at 1:24 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Nope, he is referring to the Operation Fast and Furious that was sanctioned by Obama and Holder. A botched fiasco that resulted in a dead Border Patrol agent and hundreds of Mexican deaths. Nobody died in Operation Gunrunner under GWB. If people don't know the difference between the two operations, they should at least find out before shooting their liberal mouths off. But, as usual, the libs only know how to "BB", blame Bush. Holder AND Obama lied and continue to lie about their knowledge and involvement. To their dismay, there is plenty of proof they are both up to their neck in their involvement. The liberal press continues to suppress this information which is easily obtained for those who care to take the time to find out the TRUTH.
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:28 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Why has everyone here refered to Lucian Neely as "she?"
Mr. Kinderman - your comments, as usual, are "ridiculous" and "absurd," to use two of Mr. Baumbach's favorite adjectives.
It is farcical to even mention Barack Obama's use of executive privilege - once in 3 1/2 years while Bush used it as many as 6 times in order to cover up some pretty shady dealings in his administration to include Cheney's secret energy meetings and the firing of US Attorneys for political purposes.
The hypocrisy and double standards here are amazing.
And what do you hope to gain by always calling the president Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Mr. Kinderman? Is that supposed to make everyone afraid because it sounds Islamic? What a fool.
Walter Chang posted at 12:12 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Hey Guys, you know loony nonsense from the left…
Is no better then wacky baloney from the right!!
One difference I notice - If the letter is from a righty, they’ll be comments from “fellow conservatives” always agreeing.
No matter how poor the premise or composition is, the faithful are there showing their support!!
The fact that no lefty rushed in to back Lucian up, is very telling!
Hmmm???
Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:10 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Indeed Mr. Baumbach, her letter begs the question, "What's up, doc?"
Joanne Bobin posted at 12:10 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
You are refering to the gun-walking program that was started by GWB and was terminated by the Obama Administration, correct?
Joe Baxter posted at 10:31 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
IF Obama should be re-elected, it wouldn't be surprising if he used presidential fiat to declare the plege of allegiance to be illegal in public schools. After all, it so goes against his agenda.
Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:22 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Regarding possible changes to our Pledge of Allegiance, Ms. Neely ponders, “Tongue in cheek? Yes. Facetious? Some may think so. Frighteningly true and scary to think about?” For many of us, yes.
While the changes proffered by this LTE writer are doubtful, what is sure to come soon will be the removal of “under God” from the very same pledge. Tongue in cheek? No. Facetious? Not at all. It’s coming – and it might take nothing more than the stroke of Barack Hussein Obama’s pen on one of his Executive Orders.
One of many things we should all think about before we vote.
Charles Nelson posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Mr. Neely, you've spent some time in Greece. How does their Socialism look to you?
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:50 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Ms Neely stated...Frighteningly true and scary to think about? You decide before you vote.
How funny. Ms Neely intentionally invents a cartoonish, unreal illusion knowing that she was being facetious and then says it is frightening. After reading her comical silly letter, why think about voting. I'm more in the mood to watch an old Buggs Bunny show now that she has gotten the ball rolling.
Kim Parigoris posted at 8:28 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
The opening paragraph states that transparency in government was going to be discussed in this letter.. would that be the executive privilege that Obama is exercising over the Fast and Furious program? That transparency we were promised? Hiding the facts about who knew what, with American guns being walked over the border and definitely reponsible for a Border Agent's life and tens of thousands of Mexican lives? That transparency?
Kim Parigoris posted at 8:22 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Apprently Ms Neely still does not understand, nor probably want to understand, the Tea Party. Had she attended the Tea Party meeting in Lodi last evening she would find out that there is almost as much disappointment from the Tea party, towards Republicans as Democrats. Just more generalities about a subject that one does not know much about...it gets rather old after a while. Capitlaism is not perfect but I will take my chances any day over a socialistic form of government where everyone is a loser- everyone is equal..equally poor and downtrodden with no incentive to succeed, and no human desire to better one's self. Maybe there needs to be less emphasis on the 2 parties and more emphasis on American exceptionalism, and Italian exceptionalism, and French exceptionalism- the human spirit is competitive and unique, and making everyone a winner and equal has never worked- we all end up being losers in the end.
Gary Musto posted at 7:05 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Well Lucian it sounds like you aren't all that happy with that "Hope and Change" you fell for hook, line and stinker, can't really sing Obama's praises so the only thing left is attack the other guy, speaking of transparency, how's that "executive privilege" working out for ya??