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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:00 am
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Updated: 6:24 am, Sat Jun 23, 2012.
Shooting someone for stealing a case of beer is not justified
A letter writer feels that shooting a person for stealing a case of beer is justified. The theft of beer is a misdemeanor, whereas the shooting of a person is a felony. If the thief died, the shooter could be charged with second-degree murder.
Was it necessary to shoot the person in the first place? The thief was not armed and was running away, and therefore shot in the back with the round going through his neck — no threat to the store owner. Lucky for both that the shooter is a bad shot.
Is a case of beer worth spending the rest of your life in jail? This isn't the old days of Dodge City where justice was handed out at the end of a rope. The store owner could have just as easily followed the thief. How far can you run carrying a case of beer? A 911 call on a cellphone would have brought the Lodi Police Department on scene in a heart beat, especially if a gun is mentioned.
America, along with Lodi, has some questionable citizens. And I am hardly a bleeding heart.
I don't believe a ride to the ER and a bandage will cost the taxpayers that much. Besides, he has more to worry about — being AWOL for starters and ending-up serving time in the brig, along with answering to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice for you civilians).
Ed Walters
Lodi
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Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:00 am.
Updated: 6:24 am.
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Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:35 pm on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Eric stated... WOW conservatism at it's finest
No wonder you make so many nasty comments about conservatives... since Mr Steinberg was his own spokesman which is anything but conservative thought, and since you used his rant as an example of conservatism, it demonstrates your ignorance as to what a conservative is. I know conservatives, and Mr steinberg is not one of them.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:53 am on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
Mr Heuer stated...BTW Does every christian need to go back and apologize for the inquisition, the imprisonment of Galileo and other "heretics", the crusades, the Salem witch trials, the genocide of native Americans, support of slavery and segregation, the failure of the church to denounce Hitler's treatment of Jews, the Klu Klux Klan, the terrorism towards gays, David Koresh, the practice of circumcision and on and on and thats just off the top of my head. This is more the equivolent you're asking of Obama who was a CHILD.
You missed my point again.... I was stating just the opposite... I do not think Omaba should do anything,.. I was responding to Steve's absurd notions about Romney and Bringham Young... It would be equally absurd if Obama was help to Steve's standard.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:47 am on Thu, Jun 28, 2012.
absurdity in motion...Steve simply is bizarre.
[crying]
Steve Schmidt posted at 6:17 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
"Larry" is a long time poster who suffered a life time ban, posting under a different handle. The "N" word is a key arrow in his quiver and will undoubtedly make another appearance sooner or later.
Steve Schmidt posted at 6:16 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
So, it is OK to have a mass murderer as a role model as long as he has been dead for more than 50 years?
Sorry DB, you may be completely without morals, scruples or ethics (you are a Republican after all) but the average American tends to have a problem with the murder of women and children, as evidenced by this country's continuing fascination with the Holocaust.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:14 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Mike... Mr Steinberg is independent and strange... only represents himself...
Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:00 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Maybe Steve can go back to the time of cavemen... who cares about ancient history... has nothing to do with now.
Mike Adams posted at 6:00 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
Eric Barrow posted at 7:52 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
"On 6/26/2012 Lawrence Stienberg stated "Whatever the libtards may saying most blacks were better off under slavery anyways." I don't know who this Stienberg is, but clearly he totally lacks class and manners. The suffix "-tard" is considered an insult and no use word as it refers to someone who is mentally retarded or in some way, not like most people. This is beyond their control and their parents control. It's use is considered almost as forbidden as using the "N" word, or other ethnic slang for people who origin is other than the US.
Steve Schmidt posted at 12:10 pm on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
These are simple questions with simple answers.
Does Mitt Romney frequently cite BRIGHAM YOUNG as a hero and role model?: YES
Did BRIGHAM YOUNG order the massacre of 120 men, women and children at Mountain Meadows?: YES
Did BRIGHAM YOUNG authorize the sale to Mormon families of those children who survived the slaughter of their parents and siblings?: YES
Was BRIGHAM YOUNG a mass murderer and a war criminal?: YES
Should Mitt Romney be asked to explain why he considers a mass murderer to be a role model and a hero?: ABSOLUTELY YES!
Simple questions with simple answers but instead DB wants to talk about some fall guy who has no relation to his candidate. And who is the Master of Distraction.....
Eric Barrow posted at 7:52 am on Wed, Jun 27, 2012.
On 6/26/2012 Lawrence Stienberg stated "Whatever the libtards may saying most blacks were better off under slavery anyways. They were safe, they had enough to eat and good houses and they werren't getting in trouble with pimps and drug scum. States haed the right underv the constitution to make threir own laws about slavery and the Feds went over the line when they trieqd to tell local people how to livbe their own lives./
WOW conservatism at it's finest
Thomas Heuer posted at 11:12 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Here you go again read the darn posts again
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:25 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Yawn... its you that is everyone is ignoring... not the subject of racism... You are too bizarre even for people who are bizarre.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:20 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Steve stated... John Lee has nothing to so with anything other than your tragic lack of reading comprehension...
In 1874, Lee, was arrested and tried for leading the massacre…and was later executed… who cares who ordered what…He have no proof who ordered it anyway.
The point is that you are using bizarre and absurd thinking in relating something that happened in ancient history to Bill Ayers who had direct influence on Obama…
Steve Schmidt posted at 8:08 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
He should denounce it if he wants to claim Brigham Young as a role model. Obama has never claimed a Shariah Law enforcer as a role model. Thus my comment about apples and Toyotas.
Apparently, you can't tell the difference.
Steve Schmidt posted at 8:07 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Romney should denounce it if he is going to claim Brigham Young as a role model. If the man had a shred of decency, he would which, of course, means he won't.
Steve Schmidt posted at 7:56 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
John Lee has nothing to so with anything other than your tragic lack of reading comprehension. BRIGHAM YOUNG (you got it.... Brigham Young?) is the individual who ordered the slaughter of 120 men women and children. BRIGHAM YOUNG (you got it.... Brigham Young?) is the war criminal that Mitt Romney consistently cites as his role model and hero.
Sure, Young is dead. So are Hitler, Stalin, Jeffery Dahlmer and a whole galaxy of equally inappropriate role models. The point is that there is something wrong with a man who can model his life on a mass murderer without critically examining the key events in that monsters life.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:38 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
You changed the subject again... your point was about a crime that was happened during the gold rush and stating Romney should denounce it.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:31 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
changing the subject again Steve...you were comparing Bill Ayers, who launched Obama;'s political life to John Lee who died in 1886 and had no direct influence on Romney... Therefore, time span is essential.
Lawrence Steinberg posted at 4:09 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
urbandictionary.com
ROTFLMAO
A chatroom abbreviation used mainly by imbeciles, usually in response to something mildly, often very mildly, amusing. People who use this type of shorthand should be avoided like the Spanish flu.
Steve Schmidt posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
DB, the time span is irrelevant.
If you say your hero is Adolf Hitler (born 120 years ago) you have to address the Holocaust. If you say your hero is Lenin (born 140 years ago) you have to address the Russian Revolution. Heck, if you say your hero is Pontius Pilate (born 2000+ years ago) you have to address the execution of Christ.
If you say your hero is Brigham Young you HAVE TO address the slaughter of 120 innocent men, women and children at Mountain Meadows.
Thomas Heuer posted at 12:32 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
He was a child. He holds no one in indonesia as a hero. READ my post I said lots of things and you continue to want to banter over a triffle. You insist on your obsession over sharia law. It is rediculus to try to respond toyour dodges and weaves, evasion of the truth and endless attempts at the last word. Its like when I say you used posts going back to last year to justify a point and then say I should have been paying attention. I then remind you I haven't been posting that long evidenced by my few posts Your response is why am I overly concerned about your posts? Now I have to rewrite what I said in a published post and get no further in the conversation. You do this here so again I'm not going to rewrite my post. BTW Does every christian need to go back and apologize for the inquisition, the imprisonment of Galileo and other "heretics", the crusades, the Salem witch trials, the genocide of native Americans, support of slavery and segregation, the failure of the church to denounce Hitler's treatment of Jews, the Klu Klux Klan, the terrorism towards gays, David Koresh, the practice of circumcision and on and on and thats just off the top of my head. This is more the equivolent you're asking of Obama who was a CHILD.
Steve Schmidt posted at 12:02 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
That should read "reminded, not for the first time,"
Steve Schmidt posted at 12:01 pm on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
As I read the latest states right screed from our dim witted friends on the right I am reminded not how ironic it is that a party that was founded in opposition to states rights should define itself by its opposition to its own founding principles. Abraham Lincoln must be spinning in his grave.
Steve Schmidt posted at 11:57 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
You have no point. Obama has never cited an enforcer of Shariah law as a role model while Mittens the Bully has consistently praised Brigham Young a hero since his first days in the public arena.
Steve Schmidt posted at 11:56 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
As for the blatantly racist vomitus matter, as always, it is met with nothing other than tacit approval from our other right wing friends.
Steve Schmidt posted at 11:54 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
"Larry" wrote: "Whatever the libtards may saying most blacks were better off under slavery anyways. They were safe, they had enough to eat and good houses and they werren't getting in trouble with pimps and drug scum."
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
It appears that even a lifetime ban is not enough to keep our dear old friend The Dreaded Rear Admiral out of the game. How ironic, a rabid anti-semite hiding behind a Jewish name.
Just further evidence that conservatives know no shame.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:19 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Mr Heuer stated...Since when do children register themselves in school. More likely it was his mother.
( as a response to me)...
You have a keen sense for the obvious... why did you bother to post this. No one is claiming he registered himself. Since I do not believe Obama walks on water like many of his sheeple, I would agree, it most likely was a relative... but who cares?He was in a Muslim country. His family lines were Muslim...it makes very good sense that someone ( an adult) registered him as a Muslim. Obama admits in his own book that he attended a Muslim school for 3 years... what is the big deal? My point was directed at Mr Schmidt who was making a point and Romney and should have denounced something that happened 150 years ago... if so, Obama should do the same thing as his family line is Muslim...
Lawrence Steinberg posted at 9:44 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
REELECT ROMNEY IN 2016!!!!
Whatever the libtards may saying most blacks were better off under slavery anyways. They were safe, they had enough to eat and good houses and they werren't getting in trouble with pimps and drug scum. States haed the right underv the constitution to make threir own laws about slavery and the Feds went over the line when they trieqd to tell local people how to livbe their own lives./
REELECT ROMBNEY IN 2016!!!!
Steve Schmidt posted at 4:56 am on Tue, Jun 26, 2012.
Eric wrote: "Mountain Meadows Massacre involved other settlers and the Mormons concocting a plot to dress as Native Americans and wage a battle to drive them out."
Or, as Mittens the Bully likes to call it when he's trying to garner bagger cred, the Great Salt Lake Tea Party.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:00 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Loony Tunes has competition... Steve may take over.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:58 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Eric is correct Lawrence... unfortunately, the information is so old and unrelated to anything pertinent that we might as well be talking about the stone age.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:53 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Mr Heuer... I got most of my information from the writings of Hilary Clinton. I assumed she was a reliable source.I try to stay away from Fox News as I know you ( radical left) think it is slanted. Now, I have to stay away from whatever H Clinton says as it is evidently wrong as well.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:47 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Mr Schmidt is doing his slip sliding back step ... Your original post only compared Bill Ayers with an ancient crime... Now that you have been exposed for your absurdity, you try to change the parameters of your point.
Steve Schmidt posted at 4:14 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Chuckle....
"Local Customs"???? Its not every day you hear a Repug defending BOTH slavery and bigamy in the same sentence.
Maybe every other day, but not every day.
Eric Barrow posted at 3:48 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Lawrence I think you better check your facts Steve is not talking about Fort Bridger where the Mormons cut of the supply lines to US soldiers leaving the soldiers to starve during the winter. Mountain Meadows Massacre involved other settlers and the Mormons concocting a plot to dress as Native Americans and wage a battle to drive them out. When the Mormons thought their charade had been found out they then massacred everyone to cover their tracks. Had nothing to do with government.
Lawrence Steinberg posted at 2:31 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
REELECT ROMNEY IN 2016!!!
There is nothing in Mountain Meadows for President to be Romney to be ashamed of. Brigham Young acted in the best tradition of George Wallace and the Heroes of the Confederacy in protecting local customs from the intrusive arm of Big Government. The idea that fighting against government tyranny is somehow shameful is an unfortunate hangover from the lib past and one that I hope will be erased when this election has concluded.
REELECT ROMNEY IN 2016!!!
Thomas Heuer posted at 2:10 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Darrell
This desparate attempt to get the final word has you off the map when it comes to proportionality and streches of reaity. Since when do children register themselves in school. More likely it was his mother. What is this obsession with sharia law? Did Obama grow up under sharia law? In Indonesia? Apologize going back 2000 years when Islam started only around 600 AD? All the violence and sufferings not just a single individual he holds in esteme as Mike alluded to with Romney? And you are right to think this is bizarre and silly especially when it goes light years beyond Mikes line of thinking.
Steve Schmidt posted at 11:27 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Imagine if President Obama had referenced Brigham Young's contemporary Karl Marx as his hero. DB would be soiling himself in his excitement over the prospective opportunities to rhetorically lynch our President in the forum of public opinion.
A further reminder that hypocrisy is what defines the right in this country, not just as a movement but also as individuals.
Steve Schmidt posted at 11:23 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Its pertinent because Mittens the Bully has repeatedly referred to Brigham Young as a hero and a role model. It would be just as pertinent if Mittens had cited Jack the Ripper or Caligula as his role models and heros.
As for the issue of family, you are comparing apples and Toyotas. Mittens affections for Brigham Young are relevant because the Bully has consistently referred to the Mormon leader as a role model, not because he is related to him.
Thomas Heuer posted at 10:11 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
This is pathetic
Typical hypocracy, tainted information and plain drival from Darrell.
The New York Times is questioned as a source of information? The innuendo smacks of gosip you accuse others of. I can't accept ypur news source...The Blaze talk about gossip. Also "board" passed, "board" granted, Foundation donated to a related group means Obama might have voted against but was out voted. Without the votes your engageing in gossip.Whats the connection to John Ayers? Sins of the brother fall on the brother or convenient to gossip?
You ask "It's easy to claim that Obama and Ayers weren't "close." How does one measure "close" in the absence of detailed personal history that isn't available in this case." I know. Do like Darrell create the gossip to imply closeness in the absence of facts.
Yes I love history I dismiss gossip.
BTW how is this related to shooting beer thievs? I lost track.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:06 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Mr Schmidt stated...Mittens has steadfastly refused to say even a single word against Brigham Young's complicity in crimes against humanity.
Mr Schmidt thinks it is pertinent to go back to a crime committed during the gold rush days and say Romney is bad because he has not spoken out against this crime...
So I guess it would be fair game to demand Obama denounce all crimes committed that his family line was associated with....since his father was Muslim and Obama himself was registered as a Muslim when he attended school in Indonesia, Obama should denounce all the killings, violence against woman, against the gay community that have taken place under the Muslim's Sharia Law going back 2000 years.
Of course I think it would be bizarre and silly for Obama to do so, but if you follow Mr Schmidt's focus and line of thinking ( or not thinking), it's something you would do.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:16 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Mr Schmidt stated...By way of contrast, Barack Obama has repeatedly and publicly repudiated Bill Ayers acts, describing them as "detestable".
Thanks for the Humor Steve...and Richard Nixon repeatedly and publicly stated he was not a crook...that he did nothing wrong... but we all know that was a a lie..."TOO".
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:12 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Mr Chang ... Oh.. if it was in the New York Times, the bible of truth, then I must be wrong... right? Since Mr Heuer loves history, let's look at it...
What are the facts...what is the history? During the campaign in 2008, Obama pretended that he barely knew Bill Ayers... when asked, he said Bill who?
. Never mind that various boards on which Obama sat in the late 90s granted nearly $2 million dollars to Bill Ayers' organization... never mind that over one million was granted to Ayers' project , but the Woods Fund and Joyce Foundation (on whose Boards Obama also sat) granted nearly an additional million in donations to Ayers' group during the same time period.
In addition to donations to Ayers' Small Schools Workshop group, the same foundations donated about $800,000 to a related group run by Ayers’ brother, John Ayers. In 2001 Obama joined the "leadership council" of a successor to the CAC called the Chicago Public Education Fund. Also on the leadership council of the group was Bill Ayers' brother John.
It's easy to claim that Obama and Ayers weren't "close." How does one measure "close" in the absence of detailed personal history that isn't available in this case. It's much harder to deny the connection implied by the nearly $3 million dollars Obama helped direct to Bill Ayers and his brother. Obama was close enough to accept an invitation to Ayers home to promote his political career. If someone radical and violent as Bill Ayers appreciates Obama... that is bad enough.
Eric Barrow posted at 7:38 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
Second that who's idea was this?
Eric Barrow posted at 7:36 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.
The fear of going to jail is what stops one from shooting a thief in the back and your point is why a civil society does not practice sharia law. heaven and h e l l? I thought your truth meter worked on what you could witness and judge to be so, seen h ell lately
Thomas Heuer posted at 9:26 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Are you too young t remember the 60s?
Are you too young to remember the Viet Nam war? The waste of lives for not.
Are you too young to remember the draft?
Are you too young to remember Kent State?
Are you too young to remember civil rights marches? Dogs and fire hoses set on unarmed people young and old.
Are you too young to remembeer the assasinations of JFK, RFK and MLK?
You have to have been there to comprehend Bill Ayers. You can't simply Google it from your easy chair in the context of todays perspective.
We all have things in our pasts that we may not be so proud of today.
Thomas Heuer posted at 8:32 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Wa
You rock.
Great post. I love the history
Thomas Heuer posted at 8:09 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Don't forget Manson and theTate-LaBianca murders.
Great Post.I love history
Steve Schmidt posted at 7:40 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
DB, Brigham Young may not have killed anyone with his own hands at Mountain Meadows but he was responsible for the massacre as surely as Adolf Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust. TO THIS DAY, Mittens the Bully has not said one word to repudiate his hero's role in this savage slaughter of men, women and children.
By way of contrast, Barack Obama has repeatedly and publicly repudiated Bill Ayers acts, describing them as "detestable".
As I said before, both candidates have been influenced by men who's actions would be decried by any decent human being. The difference is that President Obama has condemned Ayers acts of terrorism while Mittens has steadfastly refused to say even a single word against Brigham Young's complicity in crimes against humanity. Republicans feigned outrage regarding the supposed Ayers connection compounded with their continued silence regarding Mittens hero is just further evidence of the hypocrisy that defines them both as individuals and as a political party.
Walter Chang posted at 3:12 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Interaction between Obama and Ayers Pt 3
The New York Times reported that Obama did not have a significant relationship with Ayers. According to several sources, Ayers played no role in starting Obama's career, which was primarily launched when Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, suggested Obama be appointed as chairman of the six-member board that oversaw the distribution of grants in Chicago.
In a November 2008 interview, Ayers said that he knew Obama only slightly: "I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better."
end
Walter Chang posted at 3:11 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Interaction between Obama and Ayers Pt 2
Obama and Ayers served together for three years on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty foundation established in 1941. Obama had joined the nine-member board in 1993, and had attended a dozen of the quarterly meetings together with Ayers in the three years up to 2002, when Obama left his position on the board, which Ayers chaired for two years. Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, said the small board had a collegial "friendly but businesslike" atmosphere, and met four times a year for a half-day, mostly to approve grants. The two also appeared together on academic panel discussions, including a 1997 University of Chicago discussion on juvenile justice. They again appeared in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library. One panel discussion in which they both appeared was organized by Obama's wife, Michelle.
In 2008, a spokesman for the Obama campaign said the last time Obama and Ayers had seen each other was when Obama was biking in the neighborhood in 2007 and crossed paths with Ayers. The spokesman said "The suggestion that Ayers was a political adviser to Obama or someone who shaped his political views is patently false."
continued...
Walter Chang posted at 3:11 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
From Wikipedia, since I can't believe any Darrell says.
Interaction between Obama and Ayers
Obama and Ayers first met in 1995 when Ayers and Dohrn hosted a small gathering at their home in the Hyde Park section of Chicago, the neighborhood in which the Obamas lived, at which then-state Senator Alice J. Palmer introduced Barack Obama to the group as her chosen successor for the 1996 Democratic primary. Dr. Quentin Young, a longtime physician who also attended, said it was a small group—maybe a dozen or so people—who were being introduced to the next senator from Chicago's South Side. The formal announcement and endorsement by Palmer was held at the Ramada hotel.
Obama served as president of the board of directors for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a large education-related nonprofit organization that Ayers was instrumental in starting. The board disbursed grants to schools and raised private matching funds, while Ayers worked with the operational arm of the effort. Both attended some board meetings in common starting in 1995, retreats, and at least one news conference together as the education program started. They continued to attend meetings together during the 1995–2001 period when the program was operating.
continued...
K Lee posted at 2:21 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Well said, Mike Adams.
K Lee posted at 2:20 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
I agree, Mike. I don't care much for the new format here.
K Lee posted at 2:18 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Your comments are ignorant, Bob Silvano.
You said, "I only wish the shooter had been a better shot."
Well, Bob, murdering someone (shooting him in the back) for taking a case of beer out of the store is not the way our society works... thank God.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:37 am on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
There are more variables in what it cost than what you articulated... In Sharia Law, they state that harsh punishments and consequences are instrumental in preventing and avoiding future crimes that are directly unrelated to the crime someone is punished for. If that is true, it may save lives and money in the future because of a fear factor. I do believe heaven and h e l l
concept operates on the same basis... fear factor, rewards and punishment.
You make good points in your post, but there are other factors to consider. I think Mr Silvano is addressing one of them.
Eric Barrow posted at 8:57 am on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Bob whether you agree with it or not it is still illegal to shoot a thief if your life is not threatened. Which do you think will cost us more the lose of a case of beer or all the cost associated with the shooting including police , hospitals, courts and prisons?
Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:20 am on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Mr Schmidt stated...Both candidates have roots in traditions that evolved into peace from violent roots.Mr Schmidt... you are comparing John D. Lee (September 12, 1812 – March 23, 1877) who participated in the Mountain Meadows massacre in September, 1857 to Bill Ayers, (born December 26, 1944 and his roll in terrorism in modern USA.
Lets compare and contrast...Mitt Romney ( or his father) never met John Lee. That is because he died in 1886. It is clear that this man has had no influence or contact with Romney. On March 23, 1877, Lee was executed by firing squad at Mountain Meadows on the site of the 1857 massacre.
Barack Obama on the other hand, had his carreer launched ( in Ayers home), endorced and supported by Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers and Obama served on the same board of a foundation together. Had many opportunities to break bread and sip tea.
In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s. He was a terrorist.
And what was Ayers punishment... the democrats embraced him and enabled him to become a professor in Chicago. He recently retired and held in high esteem by Barack Obama...
Mike Adams posted at 7:08 am on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.
Well whatever happens to Mr. Parmar is going to happen. What nobody acknowledges is why the comments in these columns don't appear in chronological order? Very difficult to have any continuity when you have to jump all over the place trying to find responses.
Manuel Martinez posted at 9:41 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
So the fact that you pay a higher price in consumer goods justifies the death of a thief? Surely you aren't so simplistic in your thinking to believe that pieces of paper outweigh the life of another. You are granted the right to self-defense and the methods related to defending yourself (emphasis on the life component, not your property nor pride). You are not afforded the leisure of executing someone for crimes that must be handled by the proper authorities.
Steve Schmidt posted at 7:30 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
Joanne, if you have the votes to amend the 2nd Amendment, by all means, go ahead and amend it.
IF, however, you do not have those votes (and you and I both know you do not) please stop trying to subvert the Constitution and the rights it guarantees. The fight to preserve the Freedoms that BOTH you and I enjoy and treasure is not furthered by the efforts of certain parties to subvert those Constitutional freedoms that they are, for one reason or another, uncomfortable with.
Steve Schmidt posted at 7:26 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
DB, has Mitten's the Bully's Mormon Church expressed regret about the Mountain Meadows Massacre?
Mitten's has consistently cited Brigham Young as his personal hero but far more innocent men, women and children died at the hands of his terrorists at Mountain Meadows than ever were harmed by Ayers bombs.
In the end, both candidates have admitted that flawed men and in some ways wicked men played a formative role in their evolution as leaders and men. Both candidates have roots in traditions that evolved into peace from violent roots.
Bob Silvano posted at 5:04 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
Well, Ed, I'm guessing this will make the thief think twice before doing it again. You and I pay the price every time something is stolen, by way of higher prices to make up the lost margin, and I don't feel like paying for someone elses habit just because they can't pay for it themselves. I already do that for the professioinal welfare families. I, for one, totally agree with the use of deadly force. I only wish the shooter had been a better shot.
Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:55 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
CONTINUED...
Of course the left has worked hard to pretend the connection does not exist, but
Hillary Clinton disagreed with Obama's attempt to dodge the implications of Obama's freindship with a terrorist. Here's what she stated...( according to factcheck.org...
SEN. CLINTON: Well, I think that is a fair general statement, but I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position.
And if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died. So it is -- you know, I think it is, again, an issue that people will be asking about. And I have no doubt --
Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:54 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
Ms Bobin stated ...When I see photos of TEA Partiers and other "open carry" advocates with holsters strapped to their thighs,
Yah... like Ms Bobin, I am very concerned about people who promote violence and take action to harm people with weapons. It is why I shake my head when Obama has close ties with Bill Ayers.
According to DINITIA SMITH of the New York Times, who wrote an article titled...
No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen...
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.
and what was this man's punishment...he is hailed as a hero of the far left as he was instrumental in luering Barack H Obama into politics... Im sure Obama is grateful to his idol.
Joanne Bobin posted at 10:37 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
Good letter, Mr. Walters. Excellent comments, Mr. Adams.
It is unfortunate that so many believe that carrying a gun makes them formidable. When I see photos of TEA Partiers and other "open carry" advocates with holsters strapped to their thighs, or read comments from the braggarts in this forum about gun ownership, I only imagine a sorry situation like that of this unfortunate store owner who did not use proper judgment.
Mike Adams posted at 7:43 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.
Many here can't get over the notion that you are not allowed to shoot someone in the back (or the front and side for that matter) for stealing a case if beer. Even for most felonies, and entering a store with the intent to commit a crime is actually burglary (a felony). The kind of people who think having a gun for "protection" gives them some sort of global right to shoot it at anybody for the slightest crime are the ones you see in big spreads in the local paper...."store owner convicted of attempted murder...looses everything" or "homeowner shoots homeless person for stealing their sprinkler heads...looses everything".
I am not against having firearms or protecting yourself. I am on record here several times talking about my use of, or potential use of deadly force. It's just that most people don't realize the awesome responsibility of having a firearm for protection.
If you are going to buy a gun for "protection", at least go on line or buy a book about the use of deadly force. I believe Cal Guns has material that would be helpful, but even reading up on the penal code sections regarding lethal force would be a start.
Seriously, don't be an idiot. Anytime a case like this comes up, it makes every other gun owner look like a snaggletoothed, slow witted, hillbilly with a still while Dueling Banjos is playing in the background. Idiots giving advice to other idiots about when to shoot people.