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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 9:02 am, Tue Jan 10, 2012.

Regarding Joe Guzzardi's recent column, he wrote that President Obama made abstract promises in 2008, as though no president had done that previously.

Guzzardi states correctly that Congress' approval rating is 11 percent. (He is being generous. It's lower than that.) The president does not make laws. Congress does. If Congress filibusters all of the president's recommendations with a 60-vote rule to get anything passed in the Senate and the House — with a GOP majority votes against the president's agenda — nothing gets done. More than one GOP leader stated at the beginning of President Obama's first term, "We will make Obama a one-term president!" They meant it!

Guzzardi also recommended that the GOP shouldn't pull any punches against Obama — too late for that! They are already pummeling him with all kinds of untruths. The only way we can find out whether or not President Obama is up to the task is to re-elect him, and also Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.

Angelo P. Bocchi

Lodi

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93 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 8:41 am on Wed, Jan 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    You are welcome.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 8:11 am on Wed, Jan 18, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Case in point.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:25 pm on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mskl: Let me type VERY slowly for you and msb: Using your past accomplishments and current beliefs to protect yourself from baseles carp and quite frankly asinine comments, accusations and put downs is quite common. Of course professing that you would never do such a thing while writing a letter to the editor to proclaim your superior intelligence and noteworthy abilities doesn't count.

    The difference between someone like you and myself or JK, RC, DB, JB and many others on this site is that we have actually DONE something...most of us a LOT of something...step up to the plate missy (old carnival saying). Wait! I will call me an old man for you...just being polite.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:58 am on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Klee stated...Well done. I believe that people of good character, that truly do for others, will not brag or boast of their good deeds. And these good deeds certainly wouldn't be used to blast others in a personal attack.

    Well said and very true... confusing why she said it in this thread though... I do not see anyone having intent to brag or boast as suggested... I see people making accusations and put downs and people responding to these accusations... thats all.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:43 am on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Joanne Bobin wrote, "I do not brag, advertise, or exaggerate the impact I and members of my family have had on kids and schools, so you will never be able to make a comparison."

    Well done. I believe that people of good character, that truly do for others, will not brag or boast of their good deeds. And these good deeds certainly wouldn't be used to blast others in a personal attack.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:45 am on Sat, Jan 14, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Geee...sorry ms b. Us toady people can only see out of one eye, hear only partially, cannot comprehend simplicity, are far too introvert and even don't have a clue.

    My guess is she sees a “ sycophant “ behind each digital phrase... or maybe a virus or worm...

    I think there are quite a few of those people around these threads. Mr C: Happy Days to you and keep posting...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:28 am on Sat, Jan 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pat stated...such a big word from such a small mind ) is.( re: Ms Bobin)

    Pat... you need to be more compassionate and understanding... after all, can you imagine the pain and suffering Ms Bobin endures.

    Imagine a simple stroll she might take in her neighborhood or anywhere in Lodi. During this walk, she would see a bigot around every corner, a racist behind every bush and a troll under each rock she over turns. Because of all that she sees when taking a stroll, she is consumed with fear and must have ulcers as a result.

    The only thing I wonder about, is what Ms Bobin sees when she reads each post in the LNS. My guess is she sees a “ sycophant “ behind each digital phrase... or maybe a virus or worm...
    Oh my... I think I would not enjoy Ms Bobin's dilemma if I were in her shoes.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:58 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Joanne Bobin posted, "Mr. Chapman has officially become the sycophant of at least two bloggers on this site. I would be surprised if he was able to see the light of day with his head so far up."
    Your attempt at insults makes me laugh. Learn those tactics in the second grade? As long as I am not a sycophant of Obama and the liberal slobs like YOU are, I am leaps and bounds above your level of sanity. You have your head up your own ,,,,,

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:08 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    DB: I am not sure who the sycophant (such a big word from such a small mind)is...I have been loosing weight!!!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:05 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    No ms b: You don't brag because you have nothing to brag about. As Teddy Roosevelt once said: "get out of the stands and into the game, get dirty, sweaty and even bloody"...paraphrased.

    In other words you are just words when action is needed. Saying what I did is only to give an example of what CAN be done when action is taken. It is called leadership...I have a lot of experience.

    Boy...calling someone on something simply means you do not agree...giving specific information and publicly countering his assertions gives him the opportunity to respond and forward his position. He chose not to, either because he had no refutation of the information or he was afraid. THAT is why they chose someone else for the position...he had the bully pulpit...but he broke the law, I called them on it and then let them off the hook.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 10:51 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    ms b: This has to be your stupidest assertion yet!!! Yes. Boards provide the direction, scope, vision, mission, funding sources, public support and teacher training amongst a thousand other things.

    mr a: Let's talk solutions: This comes from a dumbass like me: Tell me wher it is wrong.

    Hey!!! Let's do this...pass a law that requires companies to switch employee work sites to home based jobs by 20 to 25%.

    Instead of placing an additional burden on businesses and job creation by implementing laws to further the hoax of global warming and its questionable harm, why not demand that businesses in the Bay Area reduce the carbon emissions by forcing people to work from home. Skype anyone?

    Nope...let's build more roads for the millions of cars on the thousands of roads in the hundreds of cities so people can drive to work alone.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:16 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Mr. Adams, you are a victim of Obama's propaganda machine. He wants Americans to believe it is all the Republicans fault that he can't do anything good. I suggest, instead of believing Obama or the liberal media, you research his proposals in depth to see exactly WHY the Republicans are against passing them. For someone who promised to rid this process of earmarks, Obama is a master at turning something good into something bad for the country. Unfortunately most people are too lazy to do the necessasary research to get the WHOLE picture, not just what the liberals want you to know. Obama is promoting class warfare to a new height. Hate the "haves", feel sorry for the "have nots" AND insist the "haves" cough up hard earned money to support the people who are comfortable taking money for nothing.What happened to being responsible for your own welfare? Liberals made it fashionable to exist on entitlements.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:27 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Has anyone noticed that the republicans hope for a republican president largely rests on another year of lay-offs, foreclosures, health insurance cancellations and premium increases, a rise in the cost of gasoline? Has anyone noticed that mostly the republican party just obstructs any proposal by Obama or any democrat?

    When will what's left of the middle class rise up and straighten these people out.

    It's easy to pontificate (when you already have a job and health insurance and a fat government pension waiting for you) that any change in the the direction of this country in the short-term relies on the election of a republican presidetnt. I'm sure all those people who will be laid off THIS year, who will be forclosed on THIS year, who will lose health insurance THIS year will understand.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:58 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Oh, by the way, Mr. Bransom, as I travel around America in my motorhome, one of my favorite pastimes is reading. I read books about history of the area I am visiting, world history and several newspapers online. So you can stuff your accusation of not reading a book "in years". Now go pick up your latest edition of MAD magazine and further your education.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:28 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    JERRY BRANSOM posted:". In the short 2 years we had, so much was done and set in motion. Actual Change!! And we reversed so much of the damage the "other guys" caused."
    And need I remind you the DEMMOCRATS were in control of the House AND Senate the last two years of Bush's presidency and thanks to Barney Fwank, Maxine Waters, et al the subprime fiasco through Freddi Mac and Fannie Mae brought down the economy worse than any corporate entity.
    OK, Mr, Brnasom, put down your rose colored glasses and tell us just WHAT has the Obama administration done that was of benefit to America. If it was "so much" it should be real easy for you to enlighten us. This oughta be good.......

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 7:46 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    Once again I see the same group of obstructionists hijacking the thread. I wish the Editors would do their job or appoint a moderator.

    Mr. Bocchi, your point is well made. In the short 2 years we had, so much was done and set in motion. Actual Change!! And we reversed so much of the damage the "other guys" caused. We survived (barely) 6 years of total domination by the republicans and we got WAR on 2 Fronts and the GREAT DEPRESSION - REDUX! I cannot imagine how much good would come from your preferred scenario but I have already experienced the worst a political party can do. America used to be a kind and respected nation of caring people with national pride... Republicans and Democrats. Now we have an assortment of un-american trolls hijacking the only source of free speech left. To them, nationalism is measured in dollars and political control, not pride. It is our National Shame!

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 7:36 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    For gosh sakes Joanne! Why do you waste your valuable time on people who haven't read a book in years?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:22 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Awwww, come on JOANNE. Brag a little, you don't seem to be to shy about telling everyone how smart you are. Let us in on your splendid accomplishments in the field of education. By the way, I met someone who knows you personally and they shared some very interesting information. Gave me a whole new perspective about who you REALLY are.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:53 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maple seriously over estimates the impact board members have on test scores. YOU really want me to believe that YOU are responsible for the scores? Hah!

    Unlike you, I do not brag, advertise, or exaggerate the impact I and members of my family have had on kids and schools, so you will never be able to make a comparison.

    And if you "called" the board president on the comments, why did you not demand a public retraction, because that was an extremely SERIOUS accusation? Talk, talk, talk. Your behavior on this site speaks volumes.

    Mr. Chapman has officially become the sycophant of at least two bloggers on this site. I would be surprised if he was able to see the light of day with his head so far up.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:14 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    OOOOOHh, Pat, don't be telling good stuff to Ms. Bobin. Poor thing will be up all nite trying to figure out how to spin it into something bad AND blame Bush.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:18 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    OMT ms b: I gave the school $10K for college scholarships in swimming and engineering to help support students in need. Care to match that?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:15 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Sorry ms b: That comment was from a scared Board President who made comments to the LNS about the education system that was incorrect and frankly idiotic. I called him on it...and people like you wonder why the education system is in such a mess...hmmm.
    I am sorry if you think fighting for kids with all your capabilities is wrong...I don't.

    Check out my record...test scores rose nearly 200 points at GHS during my tenure...41% of the students were prepared and capable of going to college the state and county average was 33%...(Galt's two high schools now produce only 9% capable of college entrance). 98% graduated. Balanced budgets and $80M in projects and funding as well as two new high schools. And you have done what?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:13 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Humm Mr Heuer will be writing to Limbaugh to let him know something????

    wow! First Mr Heuer brings up Carter, and then Limbaugh for no apparent reason... He blathers and mumbles incoherent thoughts and do nothing more than babble disconnected thinking. You may think Limbaugh is worth talking about but for me, I have better things to do like help guide people like you to comprehend reality. Who cares about Limbaugh or if he is from a family of lawyers? What does that have to do with anything? Speaking of irrelevant topics... double wow.

    I was discussing ideas and debating the pros and cons of issues... please pick a topic and support it with thought Mr Heuer... it is hard to follow anything you are talking about.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:29 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maple wrote: "Sorry ms b: That one won't work...25 years of coaching, 14 years on school boards, 35 years in business, 4 years working as a counselor with kids says different. It is ignorance like yours that creates the divide amongst children and people. I have had too many children ask me why someone doesn't like them to not know the struggles they go through trying to fit it. It is sickening to me that people like you cannot see that the hurt goes both ways.

    You mam are an a--."

    Your final sentence says it all, Mr. Maple. It is no wonder the Galt Elementary board passed you up for the position.

    I think they said it all when they stated (according to the LNS on 12/8/11):

    "... former board member Pat Maple, who was ultimately voted down by board members who cited controversial blog posts and stances he has taken in the community in previous years."

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "This man has a long and distinguished career in helping children at no profit to himself... and all Klee can do is grunt...”indeed”"

    Sorry to burst your bubble, Mr. Baumbach, but apparently your bromance with Mr. Maple has clouded your judgment. I am not the only one who thinks Mr. Maple says inappropriate things.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:27 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    DB you are incorigible. You are deluded. No wonder you and PM are so chummy. I will write to Limbaugh and let him know you learned your lessons well except for staying on topic. Yes Rush who throws out angry barbs, concocted fabrications, half truths all with a condescending intellectual pretense. This is all rapid fire with little pause to consider what reality base it may apply to. However let a contrary view enter the fray and he now is deliberative claiming lets break this down sentence by sentence, word by word, and do what ever we can to denigrate the source, just like an attorney. Oh yeah he comes from a family of attorneys. The object of course is to find any way to discredit or obfuscate, not as an exercise in finding greater truth but to dispel and bolster whatever mythological right wing tenent is popular this week (it changes). Of course with no direct rebuttal he goes unchallenged and appears always on top. Yes intellectually challenged conservatives love to emulated this process however with more frequent rebuttal they appear more desperate and inadaquate. Now theres a truth for you. And BTW Eric can't be wrong if he thinks me right. Thanks Eric.
    Oh and as far as staying on topic poor Angelo Bocchi must be scratching his head wondering how his democratic push turned and became all about you. I think I'm done here.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:56 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric Barrow posted at 7:11 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012... DB's goal is antagonism he seems to get some sort of perverse pleasure out of it

    Interesting conclusion...but wrong ...my goal is to think through thoughts and ideas and to make sense of life. People like yourself draw conclusions from your reality. I draw different conclusions looking at the same information. For example, you perceive I get some type of pleasure out of my participation... when in reality, I simply see this has a war of words and clarifying reality.. I also find that I clarify my own reality by articulating in writing what I think about things. I then get feedback in the format.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:43 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee posted at 8:21 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012...Joanne Bobin wrote, "Shameful that this person was involved in any way with children's educations."

    Indeed.

    response...of course... another brilliant conclusion drawn by Klee.. This man has a long and distinguished career in helping children at no profit to himself... and all Klee can do is grunt...”indeed” to something Ms Bobin, who sees a bigot around every corner, said.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 8:21 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Joanne Bobin wrote, "Shameful that this person was involved in any way with children's educations."

    Indeed.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:37 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    If child A says to child B...I am better than you...that is one thing. If child A says to child B you are better than me...that is a much bigger thing. However, if Child A says to child B you are better than me and it is your fault...that is a problem...with Child A not B.

    Eric Holder is blaming the people he is supposedly serving for his ignorance and incompetence...that is like blaming your boss for getting a DUI. Stupid.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:32 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Muhammed Ali once said that "if you open the door for someone expecting a thank you, then you opened the door for the wrong reason". I have followed that advice since the age of 17. I further that thought with this: "Leave no footprints...no signs...no beliefs...take responsibility for yourself...let others discover responsibiity for themselves. Thank you for the compliment DB.

    mr b: Look to yourself why you are small...not to others. Challenges abound everywhere...especially in our minds...Darrell Baumbach challenges the current beliefs and acumen with facts and questions...I suggest you do the same.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:11 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Thomas you are absolutely right about DB and you picked it up after only three posts. DB's goal is antagonism he seems to get some sort of perverse pleasure out of it. He is completely unaware of his delusions and refuses to seek professional help. Welcome to the forum, have fun.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:54 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Also...Mr Heuer... your perception that I am simply participating in some sort of gotcha moment is silly juvenile thinking on your part. It is you that stated Obamacare would be better named “ CongressCare “. because Congress passes laws... not the president. I think that characterization you put forth is completely false. I then responded with a title that to be more accurately describes reality; -"Demo-Obaminator Health Care Sham Act
    Lets examine how.
    1. This healthcare law was a sham in that it was all about government control of our economy, making people more dependent on the Federal government, not health care. This results in people voting for politicians that brings money for what they depend on.
    2. Demos... yes...legislators passed the bill... but it was only the democrats...not republicans that voted for it... so referring to it as Congresscare is not accurate as only one party voted yes.
    3. This bill could not have been passed without the single minded focus and influence president Obama provided. He twisted arms and legs of even Democrats who did not want this bill as is. Obama was ruthless and determined to gain political power through this legislation and knew he had a small window of opportunity to make it happen while he had a super majority in both houses. Therefore, Obamanator is a term that reflects reality.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:03 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...To DB my 8:40 Posting below was responding to you. Address omission-my bad...

    I think you did not respond to me... you simply went on some sort of unrelated babbling that had nothing to do with reality.... who cares about Carter... or blaming Obama for something that never happened... really Mr Heuer... you need a relaxing vacation or some type of sedative...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:26 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    To DB my 8:40 Posting below was responding to you. Address omission-my bad

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:42 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    With your 3:00 and 5:30 posting I could say I rest my case regarding your penchant for the last word but I am also correct regarding how pointless and now rediculus. When I metaphorically use the bank deposit example your retort is well getting Bin Laudin took more days than your bank deposit implying its invalid and insulting to those involved. Now I know you take the positions conveniently totally disregarding your response if Obama failed since it would have been Obamas blunder and Obamas alone without consideration for the troops or others involved. Its like when Carters' rescue attempt of the hostages went sour it was all Carters failure. Your arguments are tiresome and unproductive if they only want to seek the gotcha last word no matter how juvenile that word may be.

    Exibit A -"Demo-Obaminator Health Care Sham Act" really
    Oh by the way I have no need to insult the GOP since their presidential candidates are completely doing that pro bono.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:07 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric Barrow posted at 3:03 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012... would hate to think of you counseling, coaching or teaching my children ( to Pat)

    Pat... I don't know what you are like outside of these posts but from what I have seen of your postings I would be honored and grateful if you had been involved with counseling, coaching or teaching my children because of your wisdom and knowledge.
    I think when people like yourself who have seen and experienced so many things can be of value to many.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:38 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mr b: Zero sum.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:37 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Barrow...I am like millions of other Americans who believe if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck...it is not a pig. People like Holder and many of his cronies always fall back on the race card when they are called to the carpet. People like you seem to believe that when you are blamed for something you did not do , you should not defend yourself. As far as my mentoring of people and children, I can stand on my record much more easily than many.

    As ex-military I was trained to never start a fight, not get myself into a position of defeat, take the fight to the enemy (opponent), keep a clear shot, mind and spirit, look out for my fellow soldier and never give up. Hmmm...sounds American to me.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:03 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Patrick I don't know what you are like outside of these post but from what I have seen of your postings I would hate to think of you counseling, coaching or teaching my children I don't care how long you did it. Also if you are against unnecessary military action how can you support the actions of Bush II

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:56 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated..I think DB is only interested in the last word otherwise why would he keep interjecting useless information not to mention insults ...

    Again, Mr Heuer is confused and/or delusional... It is he that insulted the military, Bush, the republicans and everyone who had something to do with the process of killing Bin Laden by stating... “The demise of Bin Laudin was a credit to Obama and only Obama”...
    I was simply responding to his incredible slur and inaccurate statement.
    He also erroneously stated that it would be more accurate to call Obamacare “ CongressCare” since it had to be passed by the legislature. The democratic legislators with the enthusiastic ruthless zeal of Obama forced Healthcare bill to be passed and gleefully signed by Obama. Maybe the accuracy of name would be improved if it was titled... Demo-Obaminator Health Care Sham Act.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:39 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Of course the CIA and military carried our the OBL kill. I guess I have to explain that when I deposit money in my bank account. I have to explain that actually the teller and a team of others actually do the deposit

    Please tell me you are attempting humor Mr Heuer... you couldn't possibly think I was talking about a two day operation at the end of the chase that resulted in the death of Bin Laden. The mission of the military was to defeat Alkida's network and leadership. It was a process that took 10 years. In the last two years, many drones were sent killing many. Again, it was an ongoing process. If Bush had not taken the hundreds of actions he did, and had the military not succeeded in killing many during the Bush administration, there would have been no opportunity for Obama to to put down his golf club to give a brief order to take out Bin Laden.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:58 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Remember Johnson was a Democrat, who escalated the war beyond necessity, listened to bad advice from other Democrats and then bailed out when the political carping started. Maybe my brother would still be alive?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:56 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    For all of you "BO got OBL" people...who cares...it hasn't stopped a thing...no more than Water Cronkite did for VN when he started broadcasting the war from there. Or when Johnson was forced to stop bombing NVM because of political pressure. The VN military leader Gen Gyap has stated publicly they were ready to quit...until we quit...how many young men could have been saved had the smart guys not been in charge?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:54 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    JOANNE, sorry to burst you bubble, but I was at the Doctor's office yesterday and my BP was 121/77, pretty close to where it has been for years and most likely lower than yours.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:51 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Joe B...thank you for your service and intelligence ...both gathering and distributing of it...good posts. People who have not been in the military do not have a clue. Again thank you. Yes, Mr T not about me but about thee...you act as though bigots only reside on the white side of the arguments. Holder is a bigot.

    Sorry ms b: That one won't work...25 years of coaching, 14 years on school boards, 35 years in business, 4 years working as a counselor with kids says different. It is ignorance like yours that creates the divide amongst children and people. I have had too many children ask me why someone doesn't like them to not know the struggles they go through trying to fit it. It is sickening to me that people like you cannot see that the hurt goes both ways. You mam are an a--.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:16 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Is there really room in Lodi for TWO conspiracy theory lunatics?

    Mr. Baxter - you really should look into getting some anger management therapy. It might do you good and get that blood pressure lowered.

    And add Mr. Maple to the list of people who cannot comprehend a simple statement and feel compelled to turn it into "playing the race card." Shameful that this person was involved in any way with children's educations.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 1:01 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    To credit Obama for single handidly taking out Osama Bin Laden is just dumb. Thousands of man hours by hundreds of people culminated in Bin Laden's demise. Obama gave the "green light" for the operation. Nothing any more than any other President wouldn't have done. But, I have often wondered why no pictures and the "body" was buried at sea. Not so sure I swallow their account. They said it was because they would upset Islamics. Well, I can't imagine upsetting them any more than putting a bullet in, their idol and mentor, Bin Laden's forehead.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:28 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    I think DB is only interested in the last word otherwise why would he keep interjecting useless information not to mention insults (remember why it is hard to work with other people). Of course the CIA and military carried our the OBL kill.I guess I have to explain that when I deposit money in my bank account. I have to explain that actually the teller and a team of others actually do the deposit. The context was that Obama called the shot when the opportunity arose. Now you can do some Glen Beck black board diagram drawings to somehow link Bush into the picture because you must somehow find spme scrap of value to his failed presidency and GOP brand but give it up.

    Oh by the way you'll love Andrew Liebich's addition because it reads like a conspiracy right up there with we never landed on the mooln, 9/11 was an inside job, Elvis is still alive....

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:39 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    "I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." -H. L. Mencken

    Every intelligence analyst, geopolitical commentator or head of state worth their salt was on record as stating that Osama Bin Laden was already dead, and that he probably died many years ago, from veteran CIA officer Robert Baer, to former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, to former FBI head of counterterrorism Dale Watson. Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under five different Presidents, serving as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under the Nixon, Ford and Carter, said that Bin Laden died of marfan syndrome shortly after he was visited by CIA physicians at the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001.

    The official narrative of how the raid unfolded completely collapsed within days of its announcement. First there had been a 40 minute shootout, then there was no shootout and just one man was armed, first Bin Laden was armed then he was not, first Bin Laden used his wife as a human shield and then he did not. First the compound was described as a “$1 million dollar mansion” then it turned out to be a rubbish-strewn dilapidated crack house that was worth less than a quarter of that. Almost every single aspect of the official narrative has changed since Obama first described the raid as the White House struggles to keep its story straight.

    The alleged body of Bin Laden was hastily dumped in the sea to prevent any proper procedure of identification. The White House claimed this was in accordance with normal Islamic burial rituals, however numerous Muslim scholars all over the globe disputed this claim, pointing out that Muslims can only be buried at sea if they die at sea. While the White House claimed that Bin Laden’s death on May 1st was proven by DNA and facial recognition evidence, such proof was never released for public scrutiny and the Obama administration refused to release photos of Bin Laden’s dead body, suggesting a cover-up.

    Despite the fact that the White House released “situation room” photos which purported to show Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and the rest of Obama’s security staff watching the raid which killed Bin Laden live, it was later admitted by CIA director Leon Panetta that Obama could not have seen the raid because the live feed was cut off before the Navy SEALS entered the compound. The photos were described by many as having "historical significance," forming a "captivating" record of Obama’s greatest success and being the "defining moment" of his Presidency. One image showed Hillary Clinton with her hand over her mouth as if witnessing an anxious or crucial moment in the raid. Media reports at the time claimed that the photos represented the moment when "The leader of the free world saw the terror chief shot in the left eye." However, the photos were staged as a PR stunt for public consumption, nobody in the photos ever saw Bin Laden killed live, nor did they see the Navy SEALS even enter the compound.

    As even mainstream journalists began to cast suspicion on the official narrative behind the raid, the media reported that Al-Qaeda itself had confirmed every detail of Obama’s address the the nation. However, the conduit for such a claim was in fact an organization called SITE, which is a notorious Pentagon propaganda front run by the daughter of an Israeli spy that has been caught on numerous occasions releasing fake cartoonish "Al-Qaeda" videos at the most politically expedient times for both the Bush and Obama administrations. The SITE organization is nothing more than a contractor for the U.S. government, receiving some $500,000 a year annually from Uncle Sam, and yet the corporate media instantly swallowed and regurgitated the claim that "Al-Qaeda" had confirmed the official story after SITE directed them to an anonymous posting on an Islamic website.

    Almost every single neighbor that lived near the alleged Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad that was interviewed by news reporters said with absolute certainty that they had never seen Bin Laden and that they knew of no evidence whatsoever to suggest he lived there. Since the town is a staging ground for the Pakistani military, which has a training facility situated virtually a stone’s throw away from the alleged Bin Laden compound, residents were required to show ID when they moved into the area. Pakistani troops and anti-terror police in the town refused to confirm that Bin Laden had lived in the house. Barack Obama himself admitted to 60 Minutes that the White House was only 55/45 sure that Osama lived there before the raid and this uncertainty prompted concerns that the US Navy SEALS sent in could have targeted a "prince from Dubai" or some other individual that was not Bin Laden.

    The videos released by the White House which purport to show Osama Bin Laden making Al-Qaeda tapes in October-November 2010 are almost identical to footage first released by Pentagon front group SITE nearly four years earlier. Remember, a May 2010 Washington Post story reported how the CIA had admitted to making fake Bin Laden videos. Despite the White House’s insistence that the footage of Bin Laden is recent, he looks younger and healthier than tapes released almost a decade ago, having apparently dyed his beard black. A separate video that purports to show Bin Laden in his compound flicking through satellite TV channels depicts a much older looking man with a gray beard. Analysts have pointed out that the man has different shaped ears to real Osama pictures from back in 2001. A doctor has also pointed out the fact that the man in the tapes released Saturday has no problem moving his left arm, whereas video from 2001 clearly illustrates how Bin Laden was unable to move his left upper extremity because of a permanent injury probably related to damage to the peripheral nerves. Why the cameraman would film the back of Bin Laden’s head as he watches television is also dubious. Residents in the town of Abbottabad claim the man in the "television" video is not Osama, with one individual claiming that the man labeled by the White House as being Bin Laden is actually his neighbor, a man named Akhbar Han.

    Despite the fact that numerous neo-cons came out on the days after the alleged raid to erroneously assert that torturing terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay led to the discovery of Bin Laden, Osama himself, the supposed world’s most wanted terrorist and a treasure trove of terror information, despite the fact that he was unarmed, was not taken in for questioning, he was instantly shot in the head according to the official narrative.

    The US government has been caught on several occasions within the past decade staging military operations for the purposes of generating contrived, pro-war sentiment amongst the American public. Both the "rescue" of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman were complete fables, scripted and staged at complete odds with the truth and unleashed on Americans as part of a psychological warfare offensive to elicit support for the war on terror, almost identical to what we’re seeing now with the Bin Laden sideshow. Given the fact that the US government has been caught red-handed scripting tales of pure fiction in order to justify the war on terror, notably in the cases of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman, why on earth should we believe them now?

    Despite the fact that Obama announced on live television that the world was now "safer" because Bin Laden was dead, his administration, with the aid of the fearmongering mass media, instantly seized upon the situation to terrify Americans into being afraid of imminent "reprisal" terror attacks inside the United States, later claiming that Bin Laden had formulated an "aspirational rather than operational" plan to derail US trains that travel over 500 mph, although no trains in the US can actually travel at such speeds. This led "terror experts" to salivate over how TSA agents were now needed in shopping malls to stick their hands down Americans’ pants, while New York Senator Chuckie Schumer called for the no fly list to be expanded to trains and subways. Obama hurried to ground zero for a photo op as he desperately tried to use the Bin Laden hoax to whip up phony patriotism as a means of boosting his flagging poll numbers. Others, like Democrat Bill Richardson, exploited the situation to try and push through policies that had no connection to Bin Laden or terrorism at all, like Cap and Trade. The haste with which the whole Bin Laden fable was exploited for political points scoring and as a psychological ploy to return Americans to a post-9/11 state of intellectual castration was painfully transparent, clearly suggesting that the entire farce was planned well in advance to achieve precisely those goals in the run up to 2012.

    Turn OFF your TV's and think!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:22 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    I'm wondering if those of you who refuse to give Obama credit for OBL are also refusing to give Reagan credit for freeing the Iran hostages or at least admit that he had nothing to do with it as he had been in office less than a day and instead give the credit to Carter as many of the released hostages have said Carter deserves

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:03 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated..The demise of Bin Laudin was a credit to Obama and only Obama.

    Maybe... to the blind sheeple who swallow what Saturday Night Live puts out as the absolute truth might believe what Mr Heuer believes... however, to anyone who has a sliver of common sense, that is a statement that only a fool would believe.
    The military forces, our military planners who implement strategic ongoing military activity with the goal of getting all Alkida operatives including, Bin Laden, had much to do with the process final act of killing Bin Laden. President Bush got the ball rolling and deserves complete credit of the end result. If Obama had his way when he was a legislator, Bin Laden would not only be alive, but in public view working to kill more Americans. In my view, Obama takes credit for something he was against all along.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:53 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Joanne wrote:

    Cheney and Bush mislead everyone into believing the WMD story. Even poor Bush became so disillusioned with Cheney by his second term that he began cutting himself loose from that egomaniac - which still has old Cheney with his panties in a bunch!

    -Chuckle:

    There is ample evidence Liberals and the UN gave Saddam plenty of time to hide his WMDs in other countries. I lost count how many UN resolutions the liberals insisted the UN give Saddam to bide him some time in order to make Bush and Cheney look bad.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:46 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Joanne wrote:

    What Obama signed was an extension of certain provisions, i.e., those that relate to searching for terrorists on US soil. The rest of the Patriot Act is already law (signed by Bush) that does not need extending.

    -Duh,
    those provisions were already part of the Act you say is unconstitutional. Get your head out of you ars. The Act is not unconstitutional otherwise Obama would not have extended it. Frankly,this is up for debate because I can't say Obama never signed anything unconstituional. (TONGE IN CHEEK)

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:45 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    JOANNE, now's your chance to use your new format. I made a typo, not one but THREE times. Should have been OBL, not OSL.
    You are entitled to three number 3's. You go girl !!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:53 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    ERIC, I never referred to points Joanne made about Bush as being ignorant. That post was in response to her criticizing my grammar or something, but had nothing to do with Obama.
    You actually believe that Osama should get full credit for killing OSL? I spent 18 years in the military, a lot of that in intelligence. Experience tells me that the hunt for OSL was as intense before Obama as after. Any sitting president would have and should have pulled the trigger at a chance to eliminate OSL. Just happened on Obama's "watch". If he wants to pat himself on the back, smile, and tell the world "See what I did" he is free to do that but a lot of people know it was through hard work and determination by the CIA and military that gave him the opportunity to grandstand.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:43 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Seriously, Joanne, I compliment you when you mentioned ILLEGAL in your post this time and not all immigrants as usual. Couldn't find any post of mine complaining about aliens that I didn't qualify with the word ILLEGAL? Maybe that's because I NEVER posted one.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:13 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    HEY BOBIN, I have a great idea. Will save you a lot of time in your future posts. Instead of your usual diatribe I suggest you substitute the following format,
    Use the Number 1 for BIGOT
    Use the Number 2 for RACIST
    Use the Number 3 for all GRAMMAR ERRORS, & TYPOS.
    See what a time saver that would be for you since that is all that your posts consist of anyway...
    Yeah, Holder was playing the race card. You can spin it any way you want but it doesn't change the facts. You are "sharper" ? I find people who find it necessary to constantly brag about their intellect are actually pretty stupid. My pappy had a great saying about people like you, " I would love to buy them for what I think they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth, I'd be filthy rich".

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:10 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    The demise of Bin Laudin was a credit to Obama and only Obama. He gave the go ahead. He assumed the political risk. He knew if he failed it could have put a blemish on his legacy. When all is said and done he held the reigns in the most difficult time since FDR. Made even more difficult with republican obstructionism.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 4:54 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 541

    "Punching me in the face with your color"

    Very telling phrase...

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:33 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Quote from the NY Times by Eric Holder
    “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

    Holder forgot to add his next line: "and don't you forget it!!!" No, you won't let us.

    I get angry at people like Holder (he is a walking contradiction to his own beliefs) who try to act like nothing has changed in the US as far as for Black people...anyone who watches TV on any channel or network sees that it has. 12% of the population is Black yet nearly every commercial, program, newscast, infomercial and other mediums has a Black person on it...good for them...when is the media going to do the same for Hispanics, Asians, East Europeans, Europeans, Indians and others? Talk about hypocrits. Punching me in the face with your color and blaming me for your incompetence is not what I call condusive to unification of a nation or for that matter anything. Stop it!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:32 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Obama didn't just happen to be in the Oval Office he happened to be commander in chief do you really think that the generals sent the seal into Pakistan without the consent of the commander in chief maybe you missed the photo of Obama, Biden and the National Security staff watching the operation in real time. Bush had 8 years to get Osama and failed Obama made it a priority and unfortunately for the right the rest is history ( and always will be)

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:28 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman obviously has not gotten the memo yet.

    Cheney and Bush mislead everyone into believing the WMD story. Even poor Bush became so disillusioned with Cheney by his second term that he began cutting himself loose from that egomaniac - which still has old Cheney with his panties in a bunch!

    He just loved pulling Bush's marionette strings and making him dance to his tune.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:21 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing....expecting different results. BO has already had his shot and he shot it. I predict that many of the current bozos residing (no, they are not working) in politics will not be re-elected or will decide to not run (Dodd, Frank, etc.) instead choosing to simply retiring to live off of the gov in a different manner.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:18 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxter's reference to the quote from the NY Times by Eric Holder needs to be taken in the context of the entire interview with the Times and has nothing to do with playing the race card.

    Perhaps if you boned up on your reading comprehension skills, Mr. Baxter, you might be better equipped to understand more complex topics and could refrain from calling others sharper than you "ignorant." But then again, your sharpness only extends to making quips about illegals and taco trucks.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:09 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "I am thankful to Ms Bobin that she disclosed that the Patriot Act violates citizens' Constitutional rights... obviously any president who signs such a bill should be jailed and imprisoned..."

    Again Mr. Baumbach makes a total misrepresentation of the facts.

    What Obama signed was an extension of certain provisions, i.e., those that relate to searching for terrorists on US soil. The rest of the Patriot Act is already law (signed by Bush) that does not need extending.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:05 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    ERIC, you you actually believe Reid had the autonomy to offer Nelson and the state of Nebraska to have ALL of their Medicaid expenses paid by the other 49 states if he voted for ObamaCare without Obama's blessing? If so, YOU apparently believe in the liberal drivel they cast trying to cover up the REAL facts. Obama takiing credit for getting OBL is BS. He just happened to be in the Oval Office when it happened. It was going to happen eventually no matter who was sitting on Capitol Hill.
    DARRELL, come on, lighten up on BOBIN, you know it is only a bad thing when Bush did it, not when ObaMao does it. Hmm, I wonder how many Libyians the American war machine killed? Does that make Obummer a war criminal too? After all, it was an illegal war declared by Obama, not Congress.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:58 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric stated...It wouldn't matter what Obama does you would never give credit even John McCain was able to give Obama the credit he is due for military operations that made this country safer.

    How refreshing to hear a die hard far left wing cool aid drinker admit that Bush was noble and did what was best to keep our country safe... It was Bush that decided to go after Bin Laden and all he represented. I agree that America is safer now that he is dead, and thanks to president Bush and the military, Obama had an opportunity to step in front to the parade and got his photo op... Mission Accomplished!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:55 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Joe I'm curios why your points about Obama are significant and Joan's points about Bush are "ignorant tactics" can you really justify that logic?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:40 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Joe do you really buy all that right wing drivel you read on the internet, politicians have been cutting deals since this country was formed but when Obama does it's considered a bribe. For starters Harry Reid cut the deal not Obama but you have never been one to let facts get in the way of your conspiracy theory addled mind. It wouldn't matter what Obama does you would never give credit even John McCain was able to give Obama the credit he is due for military operations that made this country safer. Why do you think that foreign policy has not come up in any of the Obama bashing by the current repub candidates? I'll ask you again why do you think the republican controlled house won’t impeach Obama bribery is an impeachable offense you think maybe they are just too fond of him.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:56 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...As for Mr. Bush - he and his administration are responsible for: the USA PATRIOT Act that violates citizens' Constitutional rights;

    I am thankful to Ms Bobin that she disclosed that the Patriot Act violates citizens' Constitutional rights... obviously any president who signs such a bill should be jailed and imprisoned...

    In May, 2011...
    JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press
    WASHINGTON — Minutes before a midnight deadline, President Barack Obama signed into law a four-year extension of post-Sept. 11 powers to search records and conduct roving wiretaps in pursuit of terrorists.
    "It's an important tool for us to continue dealing with an ongoing terrorist threat," Obama said Friday after a meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
    With Obama in France, the White House said the president used an autopen machine that holds a pen and signs his actual signature. It is only used with proper authorization of the president.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:32 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Quote from the NY Times by Eric Holder
    “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”
    I guess all you liberals like to toss the race card out when the heat is on, eh Joanne?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:24 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    AHHH, Joanne, when all else fails, attack, attack, attack meaningless points. Typical LIBERAL ignorant tactic.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:20 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    JOANNE, the war Bush entered was sanctioned by Congress. Odufus goes to war with anyone he wants without benefit of Congressional approval. Where did you get all your cut and paste? From Keith Olbermans's website? Or did you, as usual, just make it up. War inevitably will produce casualties. So I guess that means all the American service men that were killed or injured during WWll makes FDR a war criminal? The acts of "torture" you claim saved American a lot of American lives and garnered a plethora of intelligence. Maybe we should have cut their heads off and hung them from a bridge after burning their corpses, a favored ritual by the Islamics that would love to see dead.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:00 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "That's hilarious and further denegrates your credibility to assess anything of value."

    This sentence brought to you by an individual who DEMANDS that everyone living in the US speak English - well at least he's keeping up with Archie Bunker!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:56 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxter - I don't think that either Obama or Holder have ever screamed discrimination based on their race, that is just some fabricated (fyi -that means "made up") nonsense on your part.

    As the resident expert on bigotry in this forum, as exemplified by your advocacy of the INS bringing a bus to the Lodi Taco Truck competition, you must constantly imagine that people are screaming "racism, bigotry and discrimination."

    As for Mr. Bush - he and his administration are responsible for:

    - over 250 war crimes (including torture) - violations of both international and US law;

    - the USA PATRIOT Act that violates citizens' Constitutional rights;

    - illegal wire tapping (which his Justice Dept. tried to cover up);

    - causing the deaths of 4500 service members in an unnecessary war;

    - causing the wounding and/or severe disfigurement of 33,000 service members in an unnecessary war;

    - spending 1 trillion dollars (conveniently kept "off-the-books") on an unnecessary war;

    - 31 billion $$ lost, stolen, mismanaged, unaccounted for and/or paid for unsupported charges in an unnecessary war;

    - implementing the failure to our children called "No Child Left Behind;"

    - precipitating the biggest recession since WII;

    - sucking up the 5.6 trillion surplus left by Clinton;

    - falsely selling a tax cut as an "economic stimulus;"

    - advocating illegal immigration (4 million new illegals);

    - mishandling of Hurricane Katrina disaster;

    - firing of US Attorneys deemed to be political opponents, then covering it up and invoking executive privilege by ordering Miers and Bolten to not comply with subpeonas issued by the House Judiciary Committee;

    and finally, just being one of the most inept presidents in modern history.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:17 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Joanne Bobin said "Mr. Baxter could cut and paste a similar list of "offenses" commited by the GWB administration"
    I just checked and according to my sources OBAMA is the current POTUS. How much longer is the Odufus administration going to blame their failures on Bush? That mantra is getting pretty tiring and smart Americans are not buying it a any more.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:22 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Eric Barrow, google Ben Nelson Bribe. The payoff that Obama gave Nebraska for his Obamacare vote is well documented and absolutely no secret. But wait, according to Joanne, he only did it because he was a black socialist not a white conservative.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:16 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Joanne, I wholeheartedly invite YOU to cut and past a similar list about GWB, You just can't stay away from the racist defense, can you? Well, I guess if Obama and Eric Holder scream they are being discrimated because they are black, it should work for you too? That's hilarious and further denegrates your credibility to assess anything of value. When their backs are against the wall and there is NO reasonable defense for their actions they scream BIGOT, RACIST and any other meanless adjective that comes to mind to divert attention from the REAL problem. So, you are telling me that if Obama was WHITE he wouldn't be committing the assault against the Constitution and American laws? Now, who is the REAL bigot here, eh Joanne?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:09 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jason Wilkins posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.... Oh wait, that is because the politicians do not really care at all about the American people. At least that is the way they make me feel personally.

    Jason makes a good observation. I join him in his thoughts... It is a difficult task to get people to work together. Just look at the posts of Eric and Thomas who consider the right an enemy instead of opposition. They rationalize why they feel it was good for the “DEMOCRATS” to vote for Obamacare without the support of opposition. It does not matter that the legislation killed jobs and frightened the private sector into a comma. It does not matter that the foundation of a socialistic path to universal government health care has been implemented. It does not matter that Obama and the democrats blatantly lied as to the cost and motive of Obamacare... what matters is the democrats snuffing out their enemy and gaining political control United States.

    As far as Joanne's hysteria that Romney promised to repeal Obamacare... she needs to focus on reality. Romney as stated he will immediately offer any state a waiver to participate... he has never said he will introduce legislation.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:03 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxter could cut and paste a similar list of "offenses" commited by the GWB administration, but those were implemented by a white, righ-wing nut, not a black socialist - which makes it OK with Mr. Baxter.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:34 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Joe if Obama has bribed officials and committed acts deemed to be unconstitutional why doesn't the House impeach him or do you have your facts wrong. Actually I think most of you facts are correct it's just that your interpretation of them is flawed

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:20 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    Angelo P. Bocchi is right. And thank you Eric Barrow for being a voice of reason. The National Health Care Act, which has been erroneously termed ObamaCare,has been a long standing need in America. The National Healthcare Act is a law and like any other law it has to be passed by the legislature. So CongressCare would be more accurate but would be redundant and inconvenient for political purposes. We do not have the health care act Obama wanted because republicans sabotaged it like they do with everything else. You know republicans that gave us illeagal wars, huge deficits, crashed economies, use of torture, establishing Guantanamo, protecting millionaires, etc. Of course Obama as head of the dems pushed for health care reform. I am one who has criticized the president for trying to reach out to republicans since they clealy stated that their goal is not to help the American people but win elections, hence the term ObamaCare. Lets get rid of the do nothing GOP and elect Dems trying to create jobs, reign in the banking industry and provide us with affordable health care.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:09 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Obama has apparently changed the Gettysburg Address from passage "of the people, by the people, for the people" to Obama wants it, you get it, want it or not". Here is just a few of Obama's assaults on the Constitution of the United States and in defiance of Congress and Federal courts.
    Obama makes "recess" appointments when Senate is in session – Obama violates Constitution Article I Section 5, Separation of Powers, checks and balances.

    Obama suspends right of habeas corpus and Posse Comitatus –

    Obama signs National Defense Authorization Act with no protections of rights for U.S. citizens.

    Obama attacks Libya without consulting Congress –

    Obama Administration surrenders sovereign US war-making to foreign powers and international authorities.

    ObamaCare ruled unconstitutional and ordered to halt by Federal Court –Obama Administration states it will implement regardless of Federal Courts.

    Congress determines Cap & Trade unconstitutional and refuses to pass –Obama Administration orders EPA to enact provisions regardless of Congress.

    Oil Drilling Moratorium declared unconstitutional, ban lifted by Federal Court – Obama Administration continues to prevent drilling regardless of Federal Courts.

    Defense of Marriage Act overwhelmingly passed by the 104th Congress and signed into law by former President Bill Clinton – Obama Administration announces unilaterally its Department of Justice it will no longer enforce the law.

    Arizona SB 1070 Immigration Enforcement Act overwhelmingly passed by AZ Legislature – Obama Justice Department brings unconstitutional lawsuit against Arizona state.

    Yeah, we need him for another four years as I am sure he can't totally subvert the Constitution and laws in just one term.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:39 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Obama bribed senators to vote for Obamacare. Ben Nelson of Nebraska comes to mind and there were others. If you bribed a senator to vote for something that you wanted, you would go to prison. Chicago mob style politics at its finest.

     
  • Jason Wilkins posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Jason Wilkins Posts: 32

    Unfortunately, no matter who gets elected in 2012, half of the people in this country will immediately dislike him and not support him. No matter who gets elected there will be empty promises, people appointed to positions that were owed favors, and progress toward a better nation for all of us will not be made. Slanderous and degrading comments will be made by both sides in the upcoming election. Whoever ends up running for the Republicans will be dragged through the mud as will Obama. I just do not understand how we cannot all somehow at least get into the same mind set to work together for a better future.
    Oh wait, that is because the politicians do not really care at all about the American people. At least that is the way they make me feel personally.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I, for one, am definitely voting for Romney when he (cough) wins the nomination. After all, his continued campaign refrain has been repealing Obamacare ON DAY NUMBER ONE - as if he has the actual power to do so - but then the sheep he is trying to appeal to don't know any better.

    Let's see how far THAT campaign promise goes. And then we can talk about all of the failed campaign promises presidential candidates make.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:35 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Barrow stated...Obama did not ram healthcare down our throats he campaigned...

    Mr Barrow has selective narrow focused memory. Obama did campaign on reforming health care, however, he said the process would be open, transparent and bipartisan. He promised that he would incorporate ideas from the left and right to bring us health care reform that both sides would appreciate...instead .. he said... sit down and shut up...we won (democrats) you lost (republicans) and unless you agree with me, you are wrong. The dictator in chief supported by his blind mindless followers just expected everyone to bend over and get a forced colonoscopy and like it.
    Now that the democrats have demonstrated how to get things done, I'm sure the Republicans ( when they win) will pass legislation to repeal Democrats legislation... and... will do it without reading it...after all, Pelosi advised to pass their legislation so we can see what is in it...right?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:10 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2327

    Mr. Barrow exclaimed, "The right has not liked Obama since day one." And please tell me which president did the left like even before day one? Let’s at least try not to be so disingenuous.

    At least the pontificators were correct when foretelling what this president would do. But for most of us our desire to see him ousted has nothing to do with not "liking" him, but more for the things that he promised to do and then what he actually did. What we cannot afford is an Obama unleashed with four additional years to transform the United States of America into what he believes it should be.

    Our battle cry for the next eleven months must be “No More Years!”

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:29 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2327

    Mr. Bocchi stated, "More than one GOP leader stated at the beginning of President Obama's first term, "We will make Obama a one-term president!" They meant it!" as if that were a bad thing.

    Quite a few of us quickly recognized the type of president Mr. Obama would be nearly as soon as he finished taking his oath of office. I was among the first who openly stated my desire for him to fail as President of the United States. And after the myriad actions taken by this man over the course of his first three years I would think the entire nation would rally behind that sentiment. Sadly however, there are far too many voters out there who would vote for this man no matter what he promised or ultimately did – like Mr. Bocchi here. Four more years of Obama and a Democrat-controlled Congress (again)?!? Not a chance!! That’s something we and the Constitution simply cannot afford.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:15 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    The right has not liked Obama since day one, understandable they were beaten and their dream for political domination failed but the left is not so unhappy with Obama. This lefty is rather pleased with the way things have gone would I have liked to see more progress, yes but with the tea bagger phenominom in 2010 this became dificult for the President. Obama did not ram healthcare down our throats he campaigned on this issue and came through on that promise he ended the war in Iraq, ended don't ask don't tell (as promised), took out Osama, Moammar Gadhafi and Anwar al-Awlaki putting a pretty good hurt on al Qaeda. His economic plans seem to be turning the economy around and his actions saved the American automobile industry with much of the money having been paid back. It seems the more things go right the angrier the left gets and the group of stooge candidates (except Ron Paul) seem to be quickly imploding.

     
  • Craig Cawelti posted at 7:06 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Craig Cawelti Posts: 36

    Thank you Neville Chamberlain!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:59 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Bocchi must think history and past actions are not an indicator of future behavior. When Obama was a legislator, he was rated as an ultra liberal in what he voted for and supported. He then ran for president as the second coming of a Reagan conservative which completely contradicted his record.
    He then was elected with a super majority in both houses, and had an open door to support whatever legislation he desired without obstacles. What was his attitude?... he said to the Republicans... I won... you lost... get out of my way and shut up. He set the agenda and took action to get 1/6 of our economy (health care) under his control through Obamacare. His record and history indicate a radical left wing agenda but his words do not...
    Please consider what Obama does... not what he says

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:49 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    MR. BOCCHI, perhaps your memory needs some help. When Obama was sworn in in 2008, he had a "supermajority" at his disposal. Both the House and the Senate were controlled by Democrats. Exactly what did he do with that situation? He rammed Obamacare down American's throats, took over General Motors, fired the president and turned it into Government Motors with the UAW owning a huge share. He established lots of "Czar" departments and headed them up with people of questionable background, such as Van Jones. No, Mr. Bocchi, Obama had his chance and he pretty much botched it. Why do you think that the 2010 elections produced the ouster of Democrats to be replaced by Republicans. The AMERICAN people wanted to stop Obama before our country was a total loss.

     

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