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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:36 am, Sat Apr 30, 2011.

In the April 23 News-Sentinel, the first page headline, "Obama: Ryan is the face of GOP" was four lines of 36-point type plus a byline, all using three column inches of the News-Sentinel's front page. That was followed by the 15 1/2-inch opinion of the writer Mr. Steven Thomma — whoever he is — of McClatchy Newspapers — whoever they are.

Trying to support his opinion, he offers two quotations. One is by President Obama, which seems to be out of context of anything, especially the headline. The other is by a little-known assistant director of an obscure "polling institute" in Connecticut.

This item, headlined and presented as "news" at the top of Page 1, is not news. Being at best the opinion of someone whose opinion matters no more than "if as much" mine, it would scarcely be at home on your Opinion page. It is even less so as news on Page 1.

Jim Turner


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  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:11 pm on Mon, May 2, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Well, jerome, personally I find you lacking? Ridicule and name calling aren't on topic on any subject.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:08 pm on Mon, May 2, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mr. Turner, you couldn't have made my point any better. The comments offered so far reveal that no one yet has a clue what you were trying to convey in your original letter-to-the-editor. So why not venture off into other subjects having to do with newspaper publishing (your foray, not mine) to lend a little Trivial Pursuit (™ Hasbro) to what admittedly has become a rather dull discourse?

    After all, it IS your letter Mr. Turner – why not toss us a bone or two to get this thing back on track? I’m game for a real debate if you would only provide us with the proper direction to take. I would have thought you might take the hint where I directed specifically to you at 4:28 p.m. on Sunday, May 1, 2011, “But the end result of any printing run is to make sure that what hits the street are the facts and that which is published is as comprehensible as possible to the paper's readers. And that is where I find your most recent letter lacking.”

  • Jim Turner posted at 10:31 am on Mon, May 2, 2011.

    Jim Turner Posts: 7

    Mr. Chaney, I thank you for your comment. Mr. K's latest comment , enlightening us about his vast experience in typesetting journalism, is so far removed from the original subject that a reader will not know what he is writing about. . It is sad, if not tragic, that sophomoric wisdom cannot recognize its limitations.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:28 pm on Sun, May 1, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    And for your information Mr. Turner, perhaps I am younger than you are, but I've had a great deal of experience in the newspaper business myself. I learned how to set type by hand in a stick, run a galley proof and what it meant when admonished to be careful not to pie the type. I know what a slug and leading are and I've actually seen friends' fingers crushed in letter presses while they competed in sophomoric races to see who could finish their jobs faster.

    But the end result of any printing run is to make sure that what hits the street are the facts and that which is published is as comprehensible as possible to the paper's readers. And that is where I find your most recent letter lacking.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:14 pm on Sun, May 1, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mr. Turner, my assertion regarding your ignorance didn't necessarily extend to what the LNS did or did not do with headlines but rather more to your feigned(?) lack of familiarity with McClatchy newspapers. Since you now claim to have been a newspaper editor, it's hard for me to believe you knew nothing of the name or Mr. Thomma. Therefore your questioning of their identities must somehow serve a different purpose - but only you know that at this point; you didn’t offer more than a vague reference to both.

    You should also understand that in light of your myriad letters to the editor in this newspaper as well as comments therein, in addition to your letter being fair game for debate, you are as well. That’s kinda how it works, Mr. Turner. Based upon your differences with me on these pages in the past, I’m rather surprised you hadn’t realized that by now. Or could it just be a one-way street; your way?

  • Jim Turner posted at 3:40 pm on Sun, May 1, 2011.

    Jim Turner Posts: 7

    It would be helpful if those responding to my letter would learn to read before doing so, and stick to the subject instead of talking about me. In the "headline" above my letter he editor has still chosen to call the "item" in question a "news story". One respondent has chosen to ignore my assertion that it was not "news" but "opinion" and to call me ignorant. Before he was born I was a newspaper editor, and believe me, I know the difference between news and opinion.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:42 am on Sun, May 1, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    On the other hand, as Mr. Turner routinely offers his opinions through letters to the editor of this newspaper, one would have thought that he should have known who (or what) McClatchy Newspapers are. Furthermore, having access to a computer as I am very sure Mr. Turner does, it would have taken very little time and/or effort for him to also determine just who Mr. Steven Thomma is. This left me wondering aloud if Mr. Turner really desired to remain ignorant when he didn't need to be. I even offered him a hyperlink to help him out in this regard.

    As for the balance of his thankfully short letter, it is simply incoherent, disjointed, jumbled, and illogical; oh, and it makes absolutely no sense (redundancy very much intended). It is up to the author of each letter, article, column or editorial to be as clear as possible to get their points across to those they desire to reach with their pearls of wisdom. It is my opinion that Jim Turner failed in this regard hence my determination that a little good-natured sarcasm was in order. If Mr. Turner’s skin is too thin to absorb what I offer, then he might want to reconsider asking the Lodi News-Sentinel to print his letters. Because unless and until the editors of this newspaper decide that I am not worthy to have my comments posted here, I plan on doing what I have always done: respectfully seek out those who would like to participate in a little debate. And yes, it is possible to be sarcastic while still being respectful.

    Finally, I challenge anyone to point to where I have harassed or intimidated anyone. Or could this dare be interpreted as a form of intimidation? I do hope so.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:45 am on Sun, May 1, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    If one believes that the posted Rules of Conduct on this forum have being violated, all that needs to be done to notify the webmaster is to click on the "Report" link; it's on the bottom right-hand corner of each posting. The moderators will then determine if the post in question should be removed and/or if its author should be disciplined for the alleged infraction.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:10 pm on Sat, Apr 30, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Webmaster, why do you let Mr. Kinderman continue with belittling most everyone merely for stating their own opinion? I thought these responses were to stay on subject, not to harrass or intimidate?

  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:06 pm on Sat, Apr 30, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Nice start to your letter, then you end up calling this man ignorant? What's with your constant name calling and belittling of others that certainly have common sense, rather than being an educated idiot.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Apr 30, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mr. Turner - sounds like you took the time to offer your opinion; one that the LNS found fit to put into print. Good job!

    On the other hand, huh? You provide an interesting collection of words and phrases, but with very little substance. I've seen quite a few letters of your printed over the years and you're actually admitting not knowing who McClatchy Newspapers are? I dare say you need to familiarize yourself with the different newspapers published throughout the country. McClatchy has been around for quite some time and carry some weight and respect in the newspaper publishing industry. For further information on McClatchy and Steven Thomma, you might want to check out http://www.mcclatchydc.com/steven-thomma; or not. It all depends upon just how ignorant you might wish to remain.


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