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Posted: Saturday, December 21, 2013 12:00 am

From all current available information, it appears the roll out of the Affordable Care Act is having many problems in securing the necessary numbers to make it a viable program. One factor that is extremely important to make the system work is to convince young people to make a commitment to join. Many reasons, such as personal information security, high cost, increased deductible and the seller’s proven lack of credibility, have obviously weighed in on their decision to not enter the program.

Their early payment into the ACA, as many have pointed out, not only would cost them today but in their later years, too. They would owe on a grossly inflated national debt brought in part by a misconceived political power grab, and not one benefiting the average citizen.

It appears more and more like a method by the administration to control almost 20 percent of our finances by squeezing out those in the health care market, and dictating care levels and costs from Washington. This would also influence subsequent voter patterns. All things “political.”

If they pull this rabbit out of the hat, rest assured the oil industry is not far behind. Have a problem? Not to worry. Work it out with your friendly bureaucrat.

Richard Viall


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  • John Lucas posted at 6:51 pm on Mon, Dec 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is going to happen quicker than you think. The Republican Party is like the Soviet Union. In 1980 you thought it was here forever but it was gone very quickly. The Republican party is going to be gone for the same reason. Its ideas are insane and do not work in the real world except for a few at the top. 8 years max.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:53 am on Sun, Dec 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    I am not claiming my post was a historical landmark, it was only to let liberals know the Republicans far from beinig eradicated from the political scene and are still causing liberals panic.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:08 pm on Sat, Dec 28, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Andrew, you shouild't bring up crow to eat, it probaby doesn't taste so good

  • John Lucas posted at 11:57 am on Sat, Dec 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are. Give it a little time. One poll not a history make.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:33 am on Sat, Dec 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Affordable Care Act requires all health insurance plans in the Marketplace to cover 10 essential health benefits.

    Suggesting that "no one is dictating care levels from Washington" is utterly idiotic.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:30 pm on Fri, Dec 27, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Beore I get accuised of plagerism (liberal term for presenting printed bad news for lberals) ;

  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:57 pm on Fri, Dec 27, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Brian, dont tell our lberal poses, but a new CNN poll shows Republicans handily beating Democrats in a generic Congressional ballot. The GOP beats the go-to-government-for-help Democrats with a 49%-44% edge.

    A 5-point margin in favor of the Republicans might not seem like a whole lot until you put things in perspective. Just two months ago, the Democrats were beating the Republicans by 8 points. In other words, the poll swung 13 points to the benefit of the Republicans in about eight weeks.
    Some liberals are of the opinion the conservatve Republicans are fading into the sunset. Merry CHRISTmas, Mr Lucas.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:16 pm on Fri, Dec 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter wrote: "As usual, you are spouting off about something without researching it. Funny how I can get an insurance policy AND Medicare and you have no knowledge that it is possible. Smarter than me? Ha, I love your dopey humor."

    Baxxter - I never said that you couldn't get an insurance policy along with your Medicare. You stated your policy was not a Medicare supplement.

    Just what do you do with all of the notices your insurance company sends you asking if you have "OTHER" insurance or Medicare? Most likely ignore them. Don't worry, they'll catch up with you sooner or later. Those penalties for providing false information can get quite hefty.

    Can't wait until they catch up with you. And if you are complying with your insurance company's rules - i.e., they consider Medicare PRIMARY, your "non-Medicare insurance policy only acts like a supplement - they still will only pay the difference between what Medicare covers and the balance of your bill.

    I hardly think that YOU are the exception to every rule. I worked for a healthcare company long enough that I don't need "to research" anything.

    Maybe you should try to figure out if you're paying big bucks for an insurance policy that doesn't cover anything more than a very good supplement plan.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:34 am on Fri, Dec 27, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Friday, September 13, 2013, 5:04 pm
    "Although he (my husband) has coverage up the ying-yang, I'm looking forward to getting Obamacare coverage."

    "The one I chose was the Blue Shield "silver" plan - hope Mr. Baumbach doesn't choke, but I'll only have to pay $104/month and the "taxpayer" (ME) gets to pick up the balance of $819!!!"

    "Since I work and pay taxes I DO feel entitled!!"

  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:16 pm on Thu, Dec 26, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Bobbin and Co. always remind me of the frog in the pot of water on the stove where the heat is slowly rising. They don't realize it's going to boil until it's too late

  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:04 pm on Thu, Dec 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Bobbin, REALLY? You are whining about George Walker Bush making sure that our deserving VETS get medical care before civilians that never served at all? Unbelievable. Probably one of the most selfish statments I have ever heard. So, taxpayers will be paying for ALL of your medical needs. Yep, welfare in my book.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:37 pm on Thu, Dec 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Your husband "earned" his VA benefit. YOU earned squat. More freebies for the ones that are able to pay.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:26 pm on Thu, Dec 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Bobbin, all the time I thought welfare was for the needy, not for people who own nice homes, cars and are able to earn enough money to pay for their full share of insurance instead of depending on hard working taxpayers to help out. Oh, yeah, I forgot, it is the LiBERAL way. How proud you must be.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:23 pm on Thu, Dec 26, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    As usual, you are spouting off about something without researching it. Funny how I can get an insurance policy AND Medicare and you have no knowledge that it is possible. Smarter than me? Ha, I love your dopey humor.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:46 pm on Tue, Dec 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    OOPs...they only have room for vets who need the care a whole lot more than I do - thanks to George Walker Bush. I don't mind having to pay co-pays and "cost-sharing" to see local doctors as long as those who really need the care are getting it.

    BTW - no one put a gun to your head and "made you sign up for Medicare." Oh...that's right... your health insurance company MADE you do that. Those darn pesky inquiries they send out asking if you have "other insurance" or Medicare.

    You cannot BS anyone who knows the system with your stories of "not a supplement." Most insurance companies force you into a supplement product when they know you have Medicare.

    Silly trying to fool anyone smarter than yourself.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:39 pm on Tue, Dec 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter wrote: "Bobbin, now I get it. You can actually get taxpayers to fund your insurance instead of paying it all yourself? Sounds a bit like welfare to me. As a matter of fact, I recall YOU bragging that taxpayers are going to subsidize your Obamacare premiums, how proud you must be."

    Actually, Baxxter, I have enrolled in CHAMPVA, a benefit that my husband earned through his military service and service connected disability.

    If you still consider that welfare, well so be it. I could give a rat's behind what you think.

    The benefit is great. I don't have to pay a penny in premiums and I can go to any doctor I choose to AND any VA hospital that accepts new patients. Unfortunately, the VA hospitals are not accepting new civilian patients - they only have r

  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:35 am on Tue, Dec 24, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Well, it is not as though the liberals haven't mentioned government takeover of the oil inidustry previously. Here is a video of loudmouth Maxine Waters stating just that:


  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:25 pm on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Bobbin, now I get it. You can actually get taxpayers to fund your insurance instead of paying it all yourself? Sounds a bit like welfare to me. As a matter of fact, I recall YOU bragging that taxpayers are going to subsidize your Obamacare premiums, how proud you must be.
    There are tens of thousands of people who pay into Medicare their entire working history who never collect one penny of benefit because of death before they reach 65.
    I have MediCare because I was forced to enroll. I still keep my personal insurance policy (not a supplement) for two reasons. 1. I can afford it and 2. Because it pays for vision, dental and what MediCare doesn't cover, they do, including co-pays for my medicines and office visits.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:08 pm on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Joe Baxxter wrote: "Medicare is "government funded"? Hogwash. It is deducted from your paycheck during your working years, long before you enroll, and when you start Medicare benefits, it costs $105.60/month."

    Baxxter - like any insurance, what you pay in can NEVER be matched by what is paid out in claims, so HOGWASH that it is not 'government funded." Like any insurance, the healthy elderly are paying for the sick elderly and the difference is make up by all of us who pay taxes. Get real.

    And if you DON'T know - which you obviously don't - that 100+ $$ you pay monthly is ONLY for Part B, which covers only office visits and labs. If you need a heart bypass, that is covered under Part A, which YOU DON'T pay for monthly.

    This is the biggest nonsense claimed by conservatives who want to cling to the idea that "THEY PAID INTO THE SYSTEM, SO THEY DESERVE THE BENEFITS."

    BS - Whoever pays into the system gets WAY more than they paid in. If you don't understand that concept, then you will forever believe that you owe NOTHING to the government for backing you up when you really need it.

  • Ed Walters posted at 12:18 pm on Mon, Dec 23, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 584

    If you read this mornings Record, it spells out the 3 different health care options. First was sticker shock if you choose the wrong plan, the cheapest plan with the highest deductable will break people with this plan. If you have a problem with this, take it up with the Record or Barry. The article goes on to say that only 14% of the people in this country understand what they are getting into. So glad I have Kaiser since nothing has changed, no hoops to jump through to get approval.

    And yes Bobin-- it is you since people with lower monthly payments will average $12,000 a year in deductables. Better to get the highest plan since the monthly payment is low along with the deductables, if you qualify. And as usual, Mr. Baxter is right on target. If by chance you watched Bobins favorite channel last night, and that would be Fox of course with Charles Krauthammer, who BTW is a very smart man who was quoted by saying that Obama-scare was a fraud from the start. OK, all you Fox haters, here is something to grind your teeth on in feedback. [thumbup]

  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:55 pm on Sun, Dec 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Medicare is "government funded"? Hogwash. It is deducted from your paycheck during your working years, long before you enroll, and when you start Medicare benefits, it costs $105.60/month. If the government needs to make up any shortcomings, it is because they raided/stole the funds just like they are doinig with the Social Security program.

  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:12 pm on Sun, Dec 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    For all of the rhetoric about the shrinking "middle class", the ACA is going to hit the middle class hard.The wealthy don't worry about healthcare costs, they can afford it; the poor don't worry about healthcare, they are on free programs or qualify for deep subsidies allowing them to afford it. Who gets sucker punched? The middle class, the very citizens the liberals whine about saving. Ironically, the liberal socialist president stumps his "fair share" campaign then proceeds to bleed the very people he pretends to protect.

  • Walter Chang posted at 11:58 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1149

    "Have a problem?"


    I got mine (health insurance).

    Richard does too, he's a Medicare beneficiary.

    Either Medicare (government run) or Medicare Advantage (government financed).

    The majority of the anti-Obamacare bloggers around here are Medicare beneficiaries.

    They got their health care needs covered, thanks to the 1965 Medicare Amendment to the Social Security Act.

    I imagine, without those laws and regulations that LBJ put in place...

    Many of them would possibly be without health care today??

    Richard is simply a benificiary of a government health care program, who's against a government health care program (Obamacare) that benifits others.

    The hypocracy is staggering.


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:33 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Is it just me, or does this sound like Mr. Viall does not know just how the ACA works?

    Mr. Viall - the products being sold through the health care exchanges are being sold by ACTUAL HEALTH CARE INSURANCE PROVIDERS, not the federal government.

    These are the providers that everyone is familiar with - in this area, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Kaiser, etc.

    No one is "dictating care levels from Washington," at least not in the way Sarah Palin would like you to believe.

    If you have Medicare, Washington is already dictating your "care levels." If you have an HMO, your insurance company is already reviewing your health issues and dictating what will be authorized and what will not.

    Does anyone really think that any HMO is its right mind is going to authorize, for example, a heart transplant for an 85 year old? A liver transplant for an unrepentant alcoholic? A live saving procedure for a newborn with little chance of survival, even if the procedure is performed?

    Think again. They won't.

    And the leap to the oil industry? What does Mr. Viall even mean by that?

    More scare tactics for weak minded people.

  • John Lucas posted at 9:28 am on Sat, Dec 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You have to give it up for Richard. Having nothing to say has never stopped him from saying it in an LTE.


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