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Posted: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:11 am, Tue Apr 5, 2011.

On March 15, when I found out that the California DREAM Act was passed through committee, I was absolutely appalled.

The California DREAM Act was created to waive entrance fees to college and provide financial aid to illegal immigrants. We are as broke as can be, but we can somehow find the funding for illegal immigrants to attend college?

I went through four years of private school education and am now in debt because I was not given any state money. I'm not looking for a handout, but come on. Someone who doesn't even belong here will get money to go to school because "they have rights and might be doctors, or lawyers"? It is absolutely ridiculous! What is the reasoning to just give away this money?

I know former Gov. Schwarzenegger vetoed this bill three times, but Gov. Brown has shown interest in this bill in the past. I don't know what this state is coming to if this bill is passed. I was absolutely beside myself after reading this.

Danielle Mondo

Lodi

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32 comments:

  • stan taves posted at 7:20 am on Mon, Apr 11, 2011.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    It is time for the left to wake-up to the realities of the 21st century. Back in the day -- FDR's day -- the left could get the money to match their ideology through borrowing. Today, because the money is gone, we must now make the ideas match the money. Clearly the left is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the new reality -- It would almost be funny, were the situation not so serious.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:24 am on Fri, Apr 8, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1403

    Mr. Maple, Just trying to see if I can log on. I've had trouble (logged in but can't type anything type of problem).

    The post basically means nothing. Just a test.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:47 pm on Thu, Apr 7, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Joanne wrote:

    Mr. Baumbach....tsk, tsk, tsk. Stop taking your cues from others. Independent thinking is a virtue.

    -Chuckle,
    I doubt if Joanne could ever say she has never echoed the sentiments of others.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:32 pm on Thu, Apr 7, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Sorry Mike...I can't agree with you on this. In 1969 I would have been one of those left out...I grew up in Woodbridge...and worked for my father roofing. I am also not sure what you mean by the "right kinds" of people.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:29 pm on Thu, Apr 7, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1403

    If anything, we need to be even more selective in deciding who goes to college and who doesn't. Anything we can do to make it impossible for some classes of individuals enroll in college will help the chances of the right kinds of people enrolling.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:36 am on Thu, Apr 7, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Schmidt: The question to Mr Dockter is a low blow. Please keep it above the belt.

    I can say I have never had my hand in that cookie jar...and much of what Mr D says I agree with. I feel sorry for young parents today...health care is expensive...but govt ran anything will be worse. Having been self-employed for nearly 40 years I can say I don't mind helping...I just don't like being taken. Using the system is one thing ABUSING the system is another. There is a difference between veracity and verassity.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:19 am on Thu, Apr 7, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    ms b: (I am going to type at a rate of 1L pm) NO one else helped to pay for my college education...I worked for it..I earned it. I expect the same from my children. I received a scholarship from the Univ of Arkansas and still had to work for any spending money. MY folks could not afford to pay my way. My sister (who was twice the athlete I was) couldn't get a scholarship (Title IV passed in '78) as there were NO women's sports in High School at that time. The women who DID go to college worked and paid their own way. Why should I or anyone else pay the way for someone we don't even KNOW??? ms bobin: This is the REAL world...get in it!

    Ms Anger: Well said. Keep posting...we need some common sense here.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:50 am on Thu, Apr 7, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Darrell wrote:

    Ms Bobin... it is difficult to engage with the incoherent posts you have offered... I have no idea what you are talking about. Normally it is easy to understand your positions. In this case, I think you are intentionally offering gibberish and smiling as you do.

    -In other words, it's her ususal fillibustering.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:59 pm on Wed, Apr 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Steve Schmidt Wrote:

    Now, Mr Dockter, are you actually telling us that you have never had your hand in the welfare cookie jar?

    -Can't say I never did. Unlike Illegals, I have been paying income taxes into the the system
    since I was 18. The point is Steve, social services should only be available to those who are here legally. And Steve, I am in an income bracket where I make too much to qualify for medicaid, but my kids do. And health insurance is just way too expensive for us. But I am opposed to Obamacare because it is already driving healthcare costs into the stratosphere. Whether you agree with me or not, this was intentional so we sould have no choice but to be covered by the feds. Now, what will your response be to me and others if we have no choice but to be under Obamacare? Are you really going to go as far as saying that we're all guilty of dipping in the Obama cookie jar when that's the only choice we have? It wouldn't be unlike you as a liberal to say this since you libs are always finding some reason to balme conservatives for the problems you created.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:04 pm on Wed, Apr 6, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    All you bleeding heart liberals who feel free to spend MY tax dollars to support illegal aliens in ANY fashion please take these people into YOUR house. Educate them, feed them, clothe them, take care of their medical needs out of YOUR pocket. Illegals aren't entitled to anything provided by AMERICAN taxpayers. I would be willing to help buy them a one way ticket back to where they came from.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:43 am on Wed, Apr 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kimberly made a great case for Danielle Mondo and herself why the Dream Act should be evaluated... it would be interesting to hear from people who support the Dream Act and would also benefit from it to post the reasons why people like Kimberly and Danielle should not be concerned and justify its existance. I have yet to see a reasonable argument that addresses this concern.

     
  • posted at 11:19 am on Wed, Apr 6, 2011.

    Posts:

    I have been putting my sons through college for the last 9 years. Their education is financed through 27 years of savings for that very purpose. Higher education is no more an entitlement than say...the right to own a home. You work and you save. My boys worked to help offset the costs. California can not afford this. We are contemplating eliminating music and physical education and yet thinking that we can afford to foot the college tuition bills for those who do not work here legally? I would love to see everyone have the opportunity to go to college. But this is real life here.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:57 am on Wed, Apr 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve Schmidt posted at 8:05 Wow Darrell. You are SOOOOOOOOOOO defensive! I was just asking you for a clarification, nothing more, nothing less

    Come on Steve, you and I both know that genuine curiosity had nothing to do with you question... A question with “all”, or “never” can rarely be answered … and if anyone said yes or no to your question, much could be made from it from people in your world.

    As far as wealth redistribution.. I do not wish to engage in that topic as it relates to this topic... as I do not think it important to this topic... maybe you can expand on your thoughts since you have concerns.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:48 am on Wed, Apr 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joanne Bobin posted at 1:52 pm ..Mr. Baumbach, your comments are totally inappropriate and not relevant to this issue...
    I was totally stumped on this one, requested that you explain... result...
    Ms Bobin posts...tsk, tsk, tsk. Stop taking your cues from others. Independent thinking is a virtue.

    Ms Bobin... it is difficult to engage with the incoherent posts you have offered... I have no idea what you are talking about. Normally it is easy to understand your positions. In this case, I think you are intentionally offering gibberish and smiling as you do.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:43 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach....tsk, tsk, tsk. Stop taking your cues from others. Independent thinking is a virtue.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:41 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maple stated: "ms bobin: You think that it is okay to penalize a student because her/his parents earn too much money? I, like many parents will not subsidize my children's education...they have to want it and earn it. It took me 5 years to earn my BA after I got out of the service, I then spent 3 yrs chasing an MA...all the while working. Were you a have or have not when you were growing up?"

    I am puzzled at your statements - they seem to contradict each other. First you are appalled that "I think it is OK to penalize students because their parents earn too much," then you go on to state that you are not willing to pay for your own children's education and that you had to work your way through college.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:05 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2493

    Wow Darrell. You are SOOOOOOOOOOO defensive!

    I was just asking you for a clarification, nothing more, nothing less.

    That said, isn't any sort of need based public financial aid as form of wealth redistribution?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:22 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joanne Bobin posted at 1:52 … And BTW, Mr. Baumbach, your comments are totally inappropriate and not relevant to this issue...
    Nothing I can do about your comprehension skills Ms Bobin... What would be interesting, if you are brave enough, is for you to articulate what is inappropriate and not relevant... just remember not to look in the mirror when you respond.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:13 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve Schmidt posted at 1:26 pm...Darrell, are you saying that you are against all public scholarships? …
    Answer...no... of course not... I said it is appropriate to question tax expenditures in this kind of economy... I could respond by asking if you think all scholarships are appropriate, but then I would look as ridiculous as you. She may be right or wrong in her statements... not what I was commenting on.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:35 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1403

    I'm am also appalled, possibly absolutely appalled. No just appalled.

    The ignorance here is whats appalling.

    A bill passing through committee does not make it law. Let's dial back the rhetoric for a while.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:33 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    KP: When was the last time you heard of a white kid getting a scholarship from the NAACP or LaRaza? The answer is never. My family put up two scholarships at Galt High...one for swimming and the other for engineering...I don't care who wins and I don't look to see if they are green with purple polk-a-dots...I don't care. What I do care about is that they earned it.

    ms bobin: You think that it is okay to penalize a student because her/his parents earn too much money? I, like many parents will not subsidize my children's education...they have to want it and earn it. It took me 5 years to earn my BA after I got out of the service, I then spent 3 yrs chasing an MA...all the while working. Were you a have or have not when you were growing up?

    Here's a challenge...try breathing for someone else...eating for them...thinking for them...working for them...sleeping for them...

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:19 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Danielle: Did the professors demand that you share your A's with the students who got D's so they could get through life on your dime? Well...get ready for the real world.

    Life was about choices...especially after the age of 18...except for when the draft was around...unless your choice then was to go to Canada. That is no longer the case. I no longer get to choose to contribute to someone else's well being, I am being forced to do so, it is called welfare. Welfare is not the problem it is the politicians who don't know how or where to limit it. When I grew up welfare was called a second job...or sometimes a third. My father and mother were too proud to take welfare even with four kids. In this day and age people do need a bit of assistance, but a right to college? I don't think so...that has to be earned.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 2:56 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2028

    I am not against illegal immigrants receiving higher education or even getting scholarships. But I don't think that those scholarships should be with taxpayer money. There are plenty of organizations set up to help illegal immigrants and all students trying to get an education through scholarships that the limited funds of the tax payer should not be used to reward illegal activity.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:52 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And BTW, Mr. Baumbach, your comments are totally inappropriate and not relevant to this issue, not to mention don't even make sense in light of Mr. Jacobs' comment.

    Try to stay on topic and ADD to the conversation for a change. "Chuckle!" as Mr. Docktor would say.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:49 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Belluomini: I'm sure you know that neither ethnicity nor legal status has anything to do with eligibility for financial aid. Your statement either reveals your ignorance in regard to the matter or worse..... Qualification for financial aid is based on family income for dependent students or the student's income if they are not a dependent on their parent's tax return.

    Ms. Mondo claims she is not looking for a handout, but complains that she didn't get any financial aid and now has debt to pay off. Perhaps she should have considered going to community college and state university instead of the "private education" that has put her in debt.

    I'm not particularly in favor of the CA DREAM Act - illegal children of illegals already qualify for in-state tuition rates as residents of CA - legal or illegal. I think that is fair, especially if they are here through no fault of their own. And, if enacted, financial aid should only be available for CA CC's and CSU's, not "private education," but the Act states that these students would not be eligible for Federal Student Loans anyway, so they could not afford "private education."

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:26 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2493

    Darrell, are you saying that you are against all public scholarships?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:25 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2493

    Now, Mr Dockter, are you actually telling us that you have never had your hand in the welfare cookie jar?

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    If you complain about our declining schools, infrastructure, etc., and don't acknowledge illegals and the welfare costs associated with them, then you and your ignorance are a huge part of the problem.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:43 am on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Robert wrote:

    Quit your sniveling, and be grateful for what you have and don't worry about what someone else has...

    -Yep,
    I'm just happy as a lark illegals have the key to the cookie jar and I don't.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:00 am on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Jacobs, I agree that we should be grateful for all what we have and should not worry what others have... so I think it appropriate that you agree to let Danielle Mondo draft deductions from your bank account to pay for her education. then after she pays it off, let her buy a new car at your expense... then later, if you object, we can all say... Mr Jacobs... quit sniveling, and be grateful for what you have and don't worry about what someone else has.

    I think it a very good idea to question and prioritize tax revenue to how it is spent. The writer of this letter is responsible and prudent in questioning this expense.

     
  • Jerry Belluomini posted at 6:34 am on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Jerry Belluomini Posts: 10

    I have to agree with Danielle on this one. Because of stupid bills like this passed by stupid people just interested in votes we will have less and less to snivel about. My daughter tried to get financial aid to go to college, but because she is not of the right ethnicity or illegal she couldn't so we had to foot all of the bill.

     
  • Robert Jacobs posted at 5:45 am on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Robert Jacobs Posts: 298

    Quit your sniveling, and be grateful for what you have and don't worry about what someone else has...

     

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