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City of Lodi has been choosing seniors over children

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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:00 am

I read the story about Camp Hutchins closing, and one overarching theme stood out: The city continues to subsidize programs for the elderly at the expense of children.

When Hutchins Street Square pool hours were cut back, almost all the hours affected were those during family swim time.

When Hutchins Street Square pool closed for repairs, classes for the elderly were relocated to Twin Arbors; family swim time — you are out of luck!

When the lease needed to be renegotiated for the Adult Day Care Program and the Preschool and Summer Break Program, the kids got the ax and the Adult Daycare remains taxpayer-subsidized. Why not have both pay half? It didn't seem like that was even discussed.

Do I see a trend? It might be time for a good story about the city's preferential treatment of seniors over children.

Andrea Songey-Neff


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  • d.ebra trew posted at 5:56 pm on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

    concerned citizen Posts: 5

    mr Chaney dementia is a name given to types of memory disorders (it would be like saying you have high blood pressure and hypertension its the same thing)Alzheimers is a form of dementia there are many types.The average hourly wage of a in home caregiver is 18.00 dollars an hour or 3 hours for50.00 . Our program charges 40.00 a day 3 days or less or 38.00 a day for 4-5 days from 8-4 monday thru friday.So which is more cost effective sir.From my understanding the original donation was very large and at 1.00 a year for rent that would last a while it was for building expenses our running expenses are funded from other source which I have already mentioned. Low income is exactly what it says and scholarships are provided from grants and donations from businesses ,foundations and memorial donations.Hope this answers your doubts and questions[beam]Have a wonderful week

  • Doug Chaney posted at 7:38 am on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Thank you Ms. Trew, for your clarification. Having gone through this scenario with my wife's mother, with both dementia and Alzheimer's disease, we cared for her with the help of an aide during the day, and things can get out of control fast at any given moment day or night. It's a very hard and compassionate chore, especially if it is someone very dear to you. Eventually we had to have her placed in a Russian retirement/care home in New Jersey, not far from Brooklyn, where we lived at that time. Being a devoted member of the Russian Orthodox church, this facility was located on the property that included a large Russian cemetery where her husband was born and they had burial plots next to one another.I know the cost of this care is very expensive, sometimes requiring the state to take control of the patients finances to assure payment for the cost. This program doesn't save the state anything normally, because the patient or his immediate family are responsible for paying that cost themselves unless they hire an experienced elder attorney and have either the patients' cash or home signed over to them in a trust. The laws vary from state to state and programs like this merely keep the heirs of the patient from losing their parents estate or residence. Taxpayers' contributions to these non profits, indirectly pay the cost of programs like these, and many abuses of this system abound concerning those so called "low income" who qualify. What is the "low income" level of this program and are they truly in need of care if one of their providers is home during the day and capable of giving that care, but is not medically qualified? This program apparently started in the late 80's and looking at the service charges from Lodi Health, this service must be very expensive, even at their cost. Just how much was bequeathed to this program and how much of that funding is left, if any? And is this program run entirely or on a very large percentage of "donations"? There are many questions to be answered about the adult day care program and how it is being funded.

  • Kristin Scott posted at 6:42 am on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

    MRSSCOTT Posts: 2

    You pay for what you get and Camp Hutchins is the best quality childcare in Lodi! For summer childcare, which my children attend, it is about $120 per child, which is about the same everywhere except my children have the best time and don't want to leave. This program is not free and that's part of the argument, the city has allowed $1 fee rental for many years and it just so happens now it is not free (and the contract is not renewable) and parents were not notifiied of the closing of CH until all was said and done. I'm a working parent and I don't consider myself elite because I can pay for this program, it works for me and many families who just want peace of mind while we go to work, earn a living and yes pay our taxes.

  • John Kindseth posted at 8:10 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 246

    Who's job is it to pay for someone's children's care ??

  • Lori Cotten posted at 6:44 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    LKC Posts: 8

    I'm curious what does it cost to send your kid to HSS? back in the day when my kids were young I couldn't afford HSS. If they only pay 1 dollar for rent it seems to me they were making a profit and all this jumping on the city is ill placed! maybe some of you need to look at that and JoAnne does a great job for the citizens of Lodi

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:05 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2685

    What Ms Mounce doesn't understand could fill volumes.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:04 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2685

    Sigh, classic Mounce. An excuse for everything and a plaintive whine to top it all off. The time has come to give Ms Mounce a long over due boot out the door.

  • d.ebra trew posted at 3:08 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    concerned citizen Posts: 5

    I do not know where you are getting your informatiom but Lodi Health just had its annual award dinner at the same place it always has at Hutchins Street Square it was held in January. I have been working for them for 9 years and thats where it has always been held

  • d.ebra trew posted at 3:04 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    concerned citizen Posts: 5

    Mr Chaney The Adult daycare has recieved grants from theUnited Way due to its non-profit status and as Joanne Mounce has stated the adult daycare is staying because of a large endowment given from an estate. The staffs donations to the United way are done directly to The united way for scholarships provided to those low income families that need the help.Please do not confuse the Adult daycare program as a profit maker .That is not what it is there for .It is to provide respite services to overwhelmed cargivers.People who care for family 24/7 and need a break! Caring for someone who depends on you for their needs is very taxing and they deserve a break.If these people didnt have us to depend on they would be in skilled nursing costing these families or the state 3-6000 dollars a month.I would invite you to check out our program anytime.The door is open

  • Doug Chaney posted at 8:35 am on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Andrea, HSS will never become self supportive as long as the facilities there are leased to preferential clients at $1 a year or even if the city gives price breaks to their "preferred" customers. Lodi Health always throws their big banquets and award diners at Wine & Roses and seems to ignore the fact that the facilities at HSS are larger and just as nice with a very reasonable price tag and seem to rather take the wasteful practice of many non profits and put on elaborate events that have no price tag. There's been rumor of doing away with the health club at Memorial West for quite some time, so why not at least take half of that space for their adult/child care programs? An easy fix to the problem at Lodi Health is a new director with real ideas, and a re organization of the management team and a new board of directors with some new thoughts and ideas instead of the same old that has the once stellar reputation at Lodi Memorial on a declining rating level for at least the last six years or more under this administration and board.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 8:20 am on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Why should the 60,000 or so residents of Lodi subsidize this low cost child/adult care program for most of these clients whose income levels seem to be in the upper 25% of Lodians? I'd like to see my dollars going to keep the pool open for all Lodians, especially us seniors, and some of the parks and rec programs funded again to assure our younger generation have outlets, such as sporting activities, to keep them interested and involved in things besides worrying about the large drug and gang problem in Lodi and becoming part of that. The city of Lodi needs to stop using HSS for their dumping grounds for many needless programs and write offs for those programs that pander to those in Lodi who are well connected and able to afford to manage without those "special" perks meant for those with higher income levels.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:21 pm on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    In what way is the United Way donations funding this program? Or is Lodi Health taking it upon themselves to use those "donations" to run a program to care for the seniors of the again well connected and not serving all Lodi residents, including those on the east side that really need the help more than those who can afford it but don't want to lose the luxuries in life they are so used to? And why such a fuss about the Hutchins child care program, with a rumored 30 children, some families with more than one enrollee ? Just who are these "special" 30 children and the family names?

  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:11 pm on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Hutchins Street Square has very little connection to the minorities, low income and poor residents of the eastside. It's a place for the good ol' boys and their feel good programs to those who least need it and a dumping ground for city management and council to show year after year since its inception a loss of $1,500,000 or so. I believe this past year it was finally under $1 million. With HSS losing money every year, why are these good ol' boy feel good programs allowed to continue?

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:47 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Perhaps Ms. Mounce does not understand the word "volunteer." Anyone who gets paid $800 per month for doing a job for which they specifically ASKED and knew the commitment it demanded, is NOT volunteering.

    And I imagine there are many individuals whose incomes are SOLELY $800 per month.

  • Andrea Songey-Neff posted at 9:25 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

    Andrea Songey-Neff Posts: 1

    From the article in the LNS it was stated that the Adult Day Care Center pays $1.00 per year for rent. Operating expenses are a completely seperate issue and should be discussed outside of the Rental discussion.

    What was the proposed increase to Camp Hutchins?

    In the coming years, people will wonder why the Community doesn't support Hutchins Street Square. It will be due to a failure to connect with the entire Community and not just a small segment.

    Adults are more inclined to protect and preserve memories and places that were a part of their youth.

    I concur with Councilwoman Mounce that a well reasoned discission needs to occur with equitable terms for every non-profit that wishes to use public facilities.

  • JoAnne Mounce posted at 7:56 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

    JoAnne Mounce Posts: 20

    If the organizer of the meeting on Friday would have checked with the city clerk before demanding the council to attend said meeting, you have known I work until 5:30 pm everyday. Including drive time, I got to the meeting as soon as I could. Just in case you did not know, serving on council is a part-time volunteer position. We are paid $800 a month. I must also keep a full time job elsewhere.
    And, yes, I was screamed at. When I called her on it, she walked away. That is not how you solve an issue. The folks were all asking questionings at once. No one was paying attention to Mr. Harrington while he spoke. Clearly, all of you are very upset. This issue effects you and your children, so I understand why you are upset.
    I appreciate all the input from the community regarding this issue, but if we are going to find a solution, we must calm down, and we must seek first to understand and then be understood.

  • Anne Rogers posted at 11:43 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

    AnneRogers123 Posts: 2

    I, too, was at our town hall meeting, I arrived on time. You showed up at the end, and you missed all the good questions. I bore witness to you being so called “screamed at”, and I must say I don’t think you were being screamed at. Voices were raised to ensure everyone could hear what is being said. Regarding your remark that “the city is just a landlord” of Camp Hutchins leads me to my next question all tentants ask: what will the rent be? You stated at our meeting the City isn't asking "top market value", but rather needs to break even. The parents of the children in this worthwhile program have many ideas of how to keep Camp running, but a price is needed so we alongside the hospital can make that happen. Lastly, despite The Adult Day Care being paid for by a trust doesn’t seem entirely true. The trust left back in 1988 created the day care, however it doesn’t sustain the cost of operating and maintaining it. That being said, I still believe it's a worthwhile program, and it alongside Camp Hutchins should remain. Both programs enrich our community and add a true sense of community to The Square. If need be, we could call a true Town Hall Meeting about the continuance of The Square and its programs similar to the meeting held back on January, 26, 1993.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:06 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    I don't agree at all that JoAnne Mounce should be recalled. But if those "thousands of other reasons" could be enumerated one-by-one, perhaps I might consider such an effort.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:07 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2685

    Bad for children. Bad for seniors.

    Just plain bad for Lodi.

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:06 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2685

    Can't we all just agree that for this and a thousand other reasons, Joanne Mounce needs to be recalled?

  • d.ebra trew posted at 4:32 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

    concerned citizen Posts: 5

    Thank you for clearing up the why the Adult Day Care stays as it is.I did feel for these parents but now they sound like spoiled brats. Try using some of the other avenues out there.I want to also say something about the pool. That pool has been rescued more than once by those elderly you are complaining about. They have had fund raisers and looked for solutions to the problems at the pool.They didnt get huffy when one of those children had an accident during family swim time.When that happens the pool can be shut down for several days to be cleaned that means they go without the excercise that keeps them moving and feeling good. This isnt a social issue for them. Those elders built this city and it wasnt on rock n roll. Those children need their parents to put on their big peoples panties and grow up. Stop throwing a tantrum and take your elders example and look for solutions and not hand out.The Adult Day Care goes out and gets grants for those in need and is private pay. The staff have United Way donations taken out of their checks that go back into the program.We are non profit and Lodi Health helps because its an issue of healthcare.If they were not in our program they would be in skilled nursing costing $3-6000 a month remember one day your parent may need us.

  • JoAnne Mounce posted at 11:00 am on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

    JoAnne Mounce Posts: 20

    Andrea, I am surprised by your letter because you personal know me and know full well I value all citizens.

    I was at your town hall meeting, and instead of asking questions so the attendees could understand, I was screamed at by the leader of the group.

    The senior center is not subsidized by tax-payers dollars. A trust was established many years ago by a wealthy Lodian to cover costs of the building. Unlike the child care, which costs the citizens $41K per year. The WOW Museum building is also paid for by federal transporation dollars at no cost to the citizens.

    If you want to save the program with private donations that conversation needs to be had with the hospital. They run the program.

    In this case, the city is just a landlord.

  • Kristin Scott posted at 9:21 am on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

    MRSSCOTT Posts: 2

    Well said, I don't get the decision either, but my understanding is that there are more $1 a year lease agreements throughtout the city. Yesterday, there was a town hall meeting held at the Hutchins Street Square park in support of Saving Camp Hutching.I think there were about 75-100 parents there all asking the same question, how much money or what type of infrastructure do we need to continue to keep Camp Hutchins open? Why are we keeping the Adult Daycare open? Whose decision was it to just let this program go? Why did Lodi Health take over this facility in the first place? What are the real issues behind this? Also, one parent brought up a very good point, will there continue to be an After School Program (run by Lodi Parks & Rec) for Reese, Vinewood, Lakeview and Larsen next year 2013-2014; remember that program was saved by private donations for another year, we haven't even begun to talk about that issue. No wonder why my 8 yr thinks he's walking home next year!!


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