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Posted: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:17 am, Tue Oct 11, 2011.

I surely hope Mr. Van Amber Fields responds to Ms. Lasher's letter, "Ms. Lasher comments on Mr. Van Amber Fields' letter" (Sept. 29), for he is much more eloquent than I.

If anyone is misinformed, it's Ms. Lasher. I got as far as her first point that Israel struck first in the Six Day War in two secular neighborhoods, looked at who wrote this and saw that she is from Berkeley — only in Berkeley! Let's have a little history shall we Ms. Lasher?

March 8, 1967, Nasser says, "We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood."

On May 31, 1967, President Aref of Iraq says, "Our goal is clear — to wipe Israel off the map."

May 18, 1967, Egypt orders the United Nations from UAR and Gaza Strip.

May 20, 1967, "Our forces are now ready — the Syrian army — with its finger on the trigger, is united. I believe that the time has come to begin a battle of annihilation," Syrian defense minister Assad. Egypt closes Straits of Tiran to Israel shipping, cutting off their only supply route to Asia and stopping their flow of oil. By international law this is an act of war.

May 28, 1967, "We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel," Abdel Nasser.

May 30, 1967, "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel ... standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. Today they will know that Arabs are arranged for battle ..." Nasser.

With over 300 incidents of Arab violent incursions against Israel in the six months leading up to June 5, 1967, 328,000 troops, 930 tanks and 30 Russian-made Tu-16 bombers surrounding their borders (twice that of Israel's forces), they launched a surprise attack on Egypt's air force that destroyed most on the ground. The world was united with Israel's act of self-defense — that is except the Arab nations and the residents of Berkeley.

Ron Portal

Lodi

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14 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:30 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I think the Jews learned the lesson about waiting until it is too late during WWII. When you are fighting for your survival the simple tenet is shoot first and ask questions later.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:03 pm on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Alex... what I am actually saying is that both sides are good people. Both sides have families that love their children. If you study basic psychology of Maslow, Physical needs must be satisfied first.Then the individual's safety needs take precedence and dominate behavior. In the absence of physical safety -- due to terrorist attack, war, natural disaster, or, in cases of family violence, childhood abuse, etc. -- people (re-)experience post-traumatic stress disorder and trans-generational trauma transfer ( Wikipedia) In this case, I would expect all people in that region to behave in ways United States has not experienced in its existance. It is difficult yo imagine and put ourselves in their shoes.
    I think you are off base in your assessment of the people in Israel as they are responding to circumstances where their existance is in question. I would not want to be a member of either society personally.

     
  • Alex Kennedy posted at 2:51 pm on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Alex Posts: 215

    DB,
    Maybe I did not read it carefully enough. I am just used to reading about how barbaric the Arabs are and how Israel's actions are always justified regardless of how inhuman they are. It disheartens me because Israeli treatment of Palestinians is used as propaganda to incite violence, then Israel responds disproportionally with more violence and so  the cycle goes. Israel does not take responsibility for its actions or the fallout that inevitably follows.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:40 pm on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell wrote"I think any society could behave like them if faced with the same situation."

    Darrell, I agree.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:29 pm on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Alex.. please read more carefully, I was not just talking about Israel, but everyone that lives in that part of the world...

     
  • Alex Kennedy posted at 2:08 pm on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Alex Posts: 215

    DB stated :I also think many people have directly suffered or knows someone personally that suffered at the hands of what they consider barbarians... I cannot imagine what is must be like to live there, but there must be intense hostilities that foster an atmosphere of hate and aggression. 

    The exact same things can be said about the experiences of Palestinian civilians that have been unjustly arrested, tortured, killed, forced from their ancestral homes, uprooted and confined to refugee camps, humiliated daily by Israeli Defense Forces,  collaterally  damaged, and constantly terrorized by both the occupying government and fundamentalist settlers.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:37 pm on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...Posturing, verbal hostility and even embargoes are not the same thing as armed conflict.
    I would agree with that Steve.... however, there is a missing element to your thought. That is “ INTENT”.
    If one side has a big mouth and is verbally hostile, that would not be reason enough to respond. However, if the intent, motive and likelihood of a threat made was inevitable, then the preparation itself should be considered first strike, making Israel's action a counter strike.
    I also have a different perspective of the general public in this part of the world. I think most people there are caring and loving. I also think many people have directly suffered or knows someone personally that suffered at the hands of what they consider barbarians... I cannot imagine what is must be like to live there, but there must be intense hostilities that foster an atmosphere of hate and aggression. I think any society could behave like them if faced with the same situation.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:29 pm on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    I am talking about men like Menachem Begin who launched his political career by orchestrating the murder of 91 people in the course of the King David Hotel bombing and later became Prime Minister or Prime Minister Yitzak Shamir who, as a member of the Stern Gang helped murder hundreds of Westerners.

     
  • MARK TROVINGER posted at 11:56 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    MARK TROVINGER Posts: 204

    Overall this is a good discussion except that I must reference Steve saying that Israel was founded by terrorists. The majority of the people in Israel, at the time of it's declaring themselves a state, were Jews that had been persecuted, held in enslavement or were just lucky enough to avoid the Nazi deathcamps. How does this type of treatment, based solely upon a person's religion, earn these people the title of terrorist? I'm not saying that there has never been any terrorist factions present in Israel. I'm just saying that I believe that the majority of Jews wanted to create a homeland where they felt more safe than where they had been living before. I doubt that the intention of the majority of the Jews at that time was to form a country so that they could kick all the neighbors asses and be the local bully.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Daniel, I would think you would feel right at home in Berkeley. That place is chock full of 9/11 truthers and other drooling nut jobs.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:56 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Darrell, you make a good point. You know, the Japanese used to say the same thing about Pearl Harbor, that they were just responding to the American aggression that manifested itself in our embargo of their home islands and our proxy support of the Chinese (see Flying Tigers) in their war with the Japanese. Of course, they were full of manure. Posturing, verbal hostility and even embargoes are not the same thing as armed conflict.

    Personally, I don't see any good guys in this conflict. Israel is a state founded by terrorists that has abandoned the guidelines of common decency in its continuous attacks on civilian populations. The Arabs are genocidal nut cases who who have abandoned the guidelines of common decency with their continuous attacks on civilian populations.

    Hopefully, God will be able to tell the righteous from the wrong but, in this case, those distinctions are beyond the abilities of mere mortals to judge.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:20 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Some would say the provocation, aggression and hostile behavior demonstrating an intent to destroy was the first strike. Israel responded to what was presented to them.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    With a lot of knowledge about the events which led to the 6-Day War, this author is objecting to the political ignorance of Berkeley.

    I have visited Berkeley for a few hours, and I had enough.

    I noted that people could sell fresh gangia cookies without fear of social unacceptance, and they would cheer a protest without knowing what it was about.

    Especially, they cheered the UN (which was counterproductive to their freedom), and global warming, without giving it any thought.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:45 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    Chuckle.... all of which is to say that Israel, when provoked by the massive troop buildup on its borders, struck first.

     

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