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Posted: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:00 am

After President Obama sets up Congress to be the fall guy in Syria, he goes to Sweden and says to an interviewer, “I didn’t set a red line. The world set a red line,” and “My credibility is not on the line — the international community’s credibility is on the line.” So now it’s the fault of Congress, the international community and the world.

Let’s see what Obama did say: “A red line for us” — not Congress, the international community or the world — “is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation” (2012).

So Obama sends our Navy into harm’s way over a situation we have no business being in — over weapons now in Syria that the liberals swore Bush was lying about — to be essentially used as al-Qaida’s mercenaries. You see Kerry — who has as much credibility as Jane Fonda to me — assured Congress yesterday that the Arabs are willing to finance this expedition into hell.

Arabs have their own planes and troops. Let them bleed for Obama’s failures, not American servicemen and women who Obama couldn’t care less about.

Ron Portal

Lodi

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102 comments:

  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:30 am on Mon, Sep 23, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 499

    Faux news is alive and well on these blogs.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:29 am on Mon, Sep 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    President Pinnocchio is arming AlQueda in Syria. [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:52 am on Mon, Sep 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:51 am on Mon, Sep 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    [offtopic]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:52 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Unfortunately, it's not obvious to the oblivious. The Opologists prefer to feign ignorance.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:48 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Apparently, Ms. Bobin, you don't understand that I have already stated what the GAO report was about and you said I was off topic.
    [sleeping]


    Again... "ICE has released 2,837 convicted criminal alien sex offenders back into American communities in order to comply with a Supreme Court decision authored by Clinton-appointed Justice Stephen Breyer." "The GAO report refers to the 2001 Supreme Court case Zadvydas v. Davis to explain why ICE is required to release foreigners who have been convicted of sex crimes."
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:29 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Obama was speaking at the memorial for the Navy Yard victims today and said that no other "developed nation" has as many shootings as America does. I guess the irony is lost on him that he is saying this at the same time as his people -- the muslims -- are shooting up a mall in Kenya and blowing up people at a church in Pakistan.

    Now, before any trolls attack me for saying the muslims are "his people" because Obama is not a muslim consider that he wrote in his own book "The Audacity Of Hope," that "if the political winds shift in an ugly direction, I will side with the muslims."
    [sleeping]

     
  • stan taves posted at 9:06 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 304

    Why can't the obvious be clear to everyone who sees it? It is obvious that Obama threw in the "white flag" when he decided Iraq was " the bad war", and that Afghanistan was where we needed focus our attention. It is obvious that weakness stimulates aggression when potential adversaries see it. So, it should be obvious that "leading from behind" is an ill-conceived strategy that has thrown the mid-east into a complete state of chaos. It's bad enough that we have allowed this man to experiment with his "transformation" domestically, but when the whole world catches fire because he'd rather be fundraising, or golfing, then it should be obvious that this man must be rendered powerless before he can do any more harm to anyone.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:02 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Corsi authored the article. He was not the source.

    The SOURCES were Mark A. Gabriel, Joel Gilbert and photographs published by the New Yorker.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:19 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Since you cannot verify Andrew will advance any of these conspiracy theories why should you care?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:52 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:52 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

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  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:51 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:51 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:50 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:43 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:43 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:42 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:42 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:42 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:35 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:35 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:34 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:34 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    [offtopic]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:25 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You are right. It is cognitive dissonance. You think an article by Jerome Corsi in world net daily is a good source. I really feel sorry for you. I am going to have to put you on ignore. You have lost all rationality. Have a good life.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:02 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    ICE has released 2,837 convicted criminal alien sex offenders back into American communities in order to comply with a Supreme Court decision authored by
    Clinton-appointed Justice Stephen Breyer.

    The GAO report refers to the 2001 Supreme Court case Zadvydas v. Davis to explain why ICE is required to release foreigners who have been convicted of sex crimes.


     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:55 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Cognitive Dissonance. [sleeping]

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:10 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726


    Andrew Liebich said to Joanne and I
    President Pinnocchio wears a wedding ring that has the phrase “there is no god except Allah” inscribed on it but he is not Muslim?
    Are you two retarded?

    No we are not retarded. We are also are not people who believe things that are so crazy others question our sanity.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:00 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Would you at least admit sexual offenders should be kept a close eye on in the event they become repeat offenders? Or is that too much for us to ask? Also, do you not realize how irresponsible it is to even suggest one should not be concerned about Sex offenders being released because one cannot verify that information?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:16 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Of course I do. I have read the GAO's report. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:09 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    " CITE THE EXACT information from the GAO report that supports your nonsensical allegations!!" and "You WON'T because IT'S NOT THERE!!" has morphed into "OK- the 2,837 have been released"

    ROFLMAO! [lol]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:15 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    If you did a little research you would find that it was because his stepfather was a muslim. You would also know that it was a christian school and had daily instruction in Christianity. It always amazes me how people will believe things that are clearly crazy,

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:10 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Even if he was, who cares?

    If he was at a Roman Catholic School, obviously he wasn't being indoctrinated as an Islamic terrorist, was he? Or is your next claim going to be that the RC Church supports Islamic terrorists?

    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:50 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953


    You may call it mindless garbage, our Constitution calls it TREASON.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    A rational person would question why Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:35 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Page 1 Paragraph 1 of the report or page 5 of 37 when viewed in the PDF file format clearly states 2,837 illegal immigrant sex offenders were released.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:33 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Page 1 Paragraph 1 of the report or page 5 of 37 when viewed in the PDF file format clearly states 2,837 illegal immigrant sex offenders were released.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:17 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    very true

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:13 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Waiving the prohibitions in the Arms Export Control Act that specifically state you can't arm terrorists in order to arm terrorists isn't proof?

    Seriously?
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:43 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    He was not saying he was a Muslim. He was saying he was an American who lived in a Muslim country. Your continued efforts at portraying the President as a Muslim are laughable to any rational person

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:38 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You should read some Liberal publications. The progressive side of the Democratic party has been very critical of the President. Presidents Johnson and Carter both came in for much criticism. George W Bush is a special case though. The Iraq war and his economic ideas that led to the near meltdown of the economy were only outdone by the incompetence of the day to day running of the Government. For me, Ronald Reagan will always be my vote for the worst President of all time because he was so good at conning the American people into accepting Conservative ideas which are spiritually and morally bankrupt and simply do not work. We are now trying to dig our way out of the disaster these ideas have brought about.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:32 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    In January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro.
    [sleeping]

    In his address to the Turkish Parliament, President Obama referenced how many “Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim majority country. I know, because I am one of them.”
    [sleeping]

    Oops! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2o2fKbLJc8&sns=em
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:24 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Proof of what Andrew? If you are saying the the President is working with Al Queada this is not proof.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:19 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Your last two points are absolutely correct. However what we have in Syria is a civil war. I doubt very seriously we are going to like whoever wins that fight. I believe we should take a hands off approach to it. The fact that it looks like Syria is giving up poison gas. This is a good thing. It happened because in was in ours and the Russians national interests for it to happen. When dealing with the Russians I think your hero, Ronald Reagan, had it right. Trust but verify.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:17 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Can you respond to the following without resorting to ad hominem?
    [sleeping]

    The president, citing his authority under the Arms Export Control Act, announced that he would “waive the prohibitions in sections 40 and 40A of the Arms Control Export Act" just this week.

    What more "proof" could one possibly ask for?  

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Typical right wing nonsense and logic. Some of the rebels are trying to set up Sharia Law therefore the President favors Sharia law. What next? Obama is a Muslim? Brian, logic is not your strong suit.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813


    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    Finally, an admission from Mr. Kinderman that George W. Bush was "in way over his head."

    -Unlike Liberals, Conservatives don't have a problem admitting George W. Bush or other past Republican Presidents were in way over their heads at times. The day I see a Liberal admitting Obama or other past Democrati Presidents did the same I'll faint.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Translation: I will not verify the information despite having been provided a link to the GAO report which does verify the information.

    I was mindlessly entertained by "Just exactly where in the article does it state that the Obama Administration is knowingly giving arms to al Queda" despite having been provided links to USAToday, CNN and CBS all confirming arms are being sent to AlQueda
    [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:55 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    John Lucas stated:


    When you say things like this:

    forces that Obama supports to give him an excuse to deploy cruise missles in hopes of ousting Assad so his Muslim Brotherhood buddies can take over Syria

    To imply the President and the Muslim Brotherhood are in this together is worthy of being ridiculed and get a little old.


    -It's also getting a little old to see someone as smart as you, Mr Lucas, to imply America would never make a deal with this Devil again I'm not saying I'm a proponent of this. But you can't deny the end result of our collaboration with Stalin during WWII, and our collaboration with Al Qaeda against the Russians in Afghanistan years ago had positive outcomes for the U.S..

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:54 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    MR LIEBICH SAID: Mr. Baxter posts truth. You post ad hominems.


    AD HOMINEM : by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

    Here is just a couple of Mr. Baxter’s Ad Hominems:

    I see all the little liberal lemmings resort to one of the Alinsky rules when they have no credible or verifiable arguments.

    "Liberal Lemmings" is not "ridicule", it is FACT.

    Here are the facts Mr Liebich. You and Mr. Baxter are the biggest purveyors of Ad Hominems attacks (Stan Taves is right up there.) on this forum. Name calling and ridicule are just about all you have. The only other skill you both seem to have is grab something off the internet and claim that it is true when it obviously is not.

    Where both of you cross the line is questioning the patriotism and the love of our country of the President. You have repeatedly suggested that the President is working with Al Qaeda. You might want to ask Osama ben Laden about that. Mr. Baxter has said that the President is working with the Muslim Brotherhood. He might ask Morsi, the leader of the Brotherhood in Egypt, when the President supported the coup against him.

    It is one thing to argue about the policies of the President. Your attacks slide right in there with the rest of the right wing nonsense that the President is not a real American, does not like America and is not a patriot. When both of you stoop this low in your assertions expect to be ridiculed. I will not call you names as that is what you do but I will point out how mind boggling stupid your assertions are.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:43 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813


    America: An Empire Of Evil

    By Ted on September 16, 2013 in General

    http://shoebat.com/2013/09/16/america-empire-evil/


    By Theodore Shoebat


    America is an empire plunged into evil. It is devising, orchestrating, and fighting for the cause of, evil. It has become a driver for the wiles of the devil, and the supporter of the slaves to the devil, the heretic Muslims who are, as we speak, slaughtering Christians in the most savage and vicious manner.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Joe Baxter,

    You made some good points in your post at 5:01 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    In this video you will see how the Syrian rebels are enforcing Sharia law in that country:

    This is the Regime Obama wants to take over Syria

    http://shoebat.com/2013/09/15/regime-obama-wants-take-syria/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:10 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Mr. Baxter posts truth. You post ad hominems.
    [sleeping]

    The president, citing his authority under the Arms Export Control Act, announced that he would “waive the prohibitions in sections 40 and 40A of the Arms Control Export Act" just this week.

    What more "proof" could one possibly ask for?  
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:10 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Oh Joe, where is your proof of the President and the muslim brotherhood being in cahoots? You have none. I am not here to disprove your idiotic assertions. When you make statement that are clearly stupid and out of the range of being possible expect them to be ridiculed as well they should be. You are starting to behave like Andrew Liebich.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:56 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    I expected legitimate and verifiable proof from you that my post was misleading and incorrect. Just as I figured, no proof so you resort to ridicule. Getting "old" doesn't mean it is not true. Hard to defend the indefensible,huh?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:49 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    When you say things like this:

    forces that Obama supports to give him an excuse to deploy cruise missles in hopes of ousting Assad so his Muslim Brotherhood buddies can take over Syria

    To imply the President and the Muslim Brotherhood are in this together is worthy of being ridiculed and get a little old.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:03 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    Ahhh, Johnny Boy. Rule #5, again?. Why don't you offer credible verifiable proof of what I posted was misleading or incorrect? Oh, I know why, you CAN'T.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:39 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    For anyone who thinks we do not have dangerous messed up individuals in this forum, the following is a comment made by Joe Baxter today, in response to one of my comments:

    Joe Baxter wrote at 4:11 PM today: "I hear it is raining in Lodi, hope your roof doesn't leak."

    Seems harmless, right? And Joe claims he is currently in Coronado.

    Just so happens we are having the roof replaced on our home. Coincidental comment? Don't think so.

    Making a trip to LPD in the morning. Shades of Brian Dockter stalking "Lodian" in years past.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:01 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    What I find interesting is that in a matter of days after sarin gas was used in Syria, Obama had "concrete" proof that the Syrian government was the culprit. American assets were not imbedded in Syria. Yet, a YEAR after Behghazi, with dozens of our assets there, Obama has no clue what happened. We are being sold a big lie, the gas was deployed by forces that Obama supports to give him an excuse to deploy cruise missles in hopes of ousting Assad so his Muslim Brotherhood buddies can take over Syria and Saudi Arabia can build their pipline through Syria, something Assad has never allowed.
    Here is something you won't read or hear on liberal news in America.
    "Carla Del Ponte, a member of the UN Independent Commission of Inquiry on Syria, said that testimony gathered from casualties and medical staff indicated that the nerve agent sarin was used by rebel fighters."

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:37 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Beautiful. I have said it before but it bears repeating. There is no other poster that does more for the Liberal cause than you on these forums. Keep up the good work!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:22 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    "Liberal Lemmings" is not "ridicule", it is FACT.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:20 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    Sorry, Mr. Lucas, the term "liberal lemmings" wasn't meant to rudicule, it was meant to correctly describe liberals.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:04 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You said:

    I see all the little liberal lemmings resort to one of the Alinsky rules when they have no credible or verifiable arguments.

    I am a proud Liberal. I make no bones about it. You said" all the little Liberal lemmings". That being said what you are doing now is evading my observation about your behavior. You used ridicule and in almost the same breath you accuse Liberals of what you do in almost every post you write. Name calling and ridicule is the major part of your modus operandi.The truth is that it just about all you have.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:16 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Pointing out that you accused Liberals of using ridicule after ridiculing Liberals by calling them lemmings proves your point? I think not. I was just pointing out that you were doing what you accused others of doing. Pointing out the obvious is not ridicule though it probably seems that way to you.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:00 pm on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    Thank you Mr. Lucas and Mrs. Bobbin/DelSolar for substantiating my earlier post.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Chang wrote: "I'm thinking he copped this from William Van Amber Fields??"

    For the latest "fun fest" from WVAF, check out his contribution as "Poet of the Week."

    I'm truly disgusted with this paper now - there is no limit to the garbage they will print. AND it's printed in the "Arts and Entertainment" section.

    NOT ART, NOR ENTERTAINMENT

    "Season's Greetings"

    by William Van Amber Fields

    "Season’s greetings

    Bloody Winters

    Summers too

    Arab Spring

    What’s it mean?

    Twin Towers Fall

    Answers all

    Minarets scream

    Call to prayer

    All day long

    Kill and pray

    Pray and kill

    Bullets ping

    Scimitars ring

    IED’s sing

    Shariah’s shrill song

    Haughty pretensions

    Brotherhood’s motives

    Mecca’s intentions

    Rage and oil

    Oil and hate

    Lubricate the Khaliphati

    Celebrate Salam aleikum

    Fruits of righteousness are sown

    In peace of them that make peace their own."

    Best of all: "About the poet

    William Van Amber Fields has been married for 50 years with seven children and 21 grandchildren. He enjoys writing personal poetry for his grandchildren, for special occassions (sic), as comment on social issues and Christian thought. This poem was written in witness of all the turmoil in the Middle East."

    Yeah....Great stuff for the grandkids, eh?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:24 am on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You are so funny. First you call Liberal lemmings and then accuse Liberals of using ridicule. Amazing

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:08 am on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    I see all the little liberal lemmings resort to one of the Alinsky rules when they have no credible or verifiable arguments. Typical.
    RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:19 am on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    "so unless you have something to contribute, shut you(r) Pie Hole. And Walter I can start with you,"

    "Walter---- stick to Vroooommmmm --- Vrooooooommmmmmmm and leave out your 2 bit barnyard sayings."

    Interesting comments coming from someone who claims NOT to be an angry old man.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:13 am on Sat, Sep 21, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    "Just exactly where in the article does it state that the Obama Administration is knowingly giving arms to al Qaeda?"

    "Just more of your usual BS with no substantiation."

    Are you sure Mr. Lucas? [sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:27 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075

    "pompous style is hilarious"

    Nothing new here.

    Stan's been at it for years.

    Folks, see him at his silliest. Check this out from 2008:

    http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showthread.php?t=145932

    "Juice" baits the Actuarial Outpost's only obviously black member in a election bet.

    If McCain wins, "2pac" leaves the AO's cyberchat room. Forever.

    Obama won.

    Stan, I mean "Juice" had to leave instead!!!

    [lol]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:58 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I think you made your point. Give it a rest.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:24 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    There is NO reason to ignore TREASON!

    Which news source do the Opologists need to hear it from? 
    USA Today? CNN? CBSNews? Who? The President is arming AlQueda!

    USAToday:  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/13/us-confirms-chemical-weapons-syria/2420763/

    CNN:  
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/politics/us-syria-training/index.html

    CBSNews:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57602575/report-cia-delivering-arms-to-syria-rebels/

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:15 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I very seldom agree with you but I have to admit you pompous style is hilarious.

     
  • stan taves posted at 8:50 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 304

    Stop the madness! Any defense of this man is beyond ludicrous; it's delusional. He has failed as a peace maker, yet he was given the "peace prize" -- and that was before he even got his beak wet. And then, of course, has been talking about lazar beams being focused on the economy; but yet, 5 yrs later it looks more like a bunch of fools wondering through the wilderness at night with nothing more than a "hope" for a flashlight and a map -- it's not coming. Hey! this is what you get when you allow a community organizer to manage the most powerful nation on earth. For God's sake you Obama people! What were you thinking? The good news -- as I have said before -- is that this man is not strong enough to destroy America; He is only strong enough to destroy those who would dare to keep following him.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:45 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:25 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    I think we've all heard this rooster crow before.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:28 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075


    "...in fact instead of jumping on the band-wagon with those who believe he might not even be eligible to be President of the United States, I realized that even if that were true, what would be done about it?"

    Peter's denying Jesus.

    I'm certainly enjoying the revisionism presented here.

    But there's no memory loss, it's a new story.

    I can't blame him, I'd be embarrassed too!!

    [smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:27 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075


    "Dictators push and command"

    So does a dominatrix!

    Could this be more "erotica" from WVAF school of thought??

    [huh]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:09 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Jerome said:
    There was no leadership regarding the so-called Affordable Health-Care Act - he not only pushed it down the throats of Americans, he did it in such a manner that had us choking even before he began the thrusts.

    Your imagery is interesting but I understand your point. How dare the President get the necessary votes to pass something the Democrats have been trying achieve for generations. Who in their right mind would call that leadership?

    I think your real anger comes from the fact Obamacare is a blow against American Exceptionalism. We are the only modern industrial nation who got the pleasure of watching our citizens suffer, die and go bankrupt needlessly when struck with a major health crisis and we did it by spending far and away more than anyone else! That is not an easy thing to do.

    Yes, millions of Americans will now have the opportunity to go see a doctor when they are sick. Yes, millions will not have the opportunity to go bankrupt and lose everything they spent a lifetime building. Yes, many with chronic conditions will be able to deal with pain these conditions cause. I know this will hurt your self esteem. Who will you be able to look down upon? Who will you be able to sneer at? Where will you find people whose pain and suffering proves what a wonderful God fearing man you are because you had the means to avoid it? I am sure you will find replacements.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:19 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    Meanwhile...President Obama continues to arm and fund AlQueda in direct violation of Article III Section 3 clause 1.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:09 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 438

    Doug I can stand the truth, all depends where it comes from. All you civilians sit at your computers and state your opinion, which you are entitled to. You seem to forget the reasons you have the safety of sitting on your duff, the blood that is and has been spilled in order to keep the US as safe as it can be in these times of world conflict. You want to thank anybody, thank the military as they are the ones on the front line and not going to In and Out Burger for lunch, so unless you have something to contribute, shut you Pie Hole. And Walter I can start with you, since you don`t have a clue as to who I am , angry not at all, pompous I rather think not. Only angry at the do nothing government, older yes but as tough as an old boot. Semper Fi

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2323

    Oh, I see now - “get over it, Obama is the president?” What about everything still being blamed on his predecessor?” Still, I’ve never denied that Obama’s the president; in fact instead of jumping on the band-wagon with those who believe he might not even be eligible to be President of the United States, I realized that even if that were true, what would be done about it? Nothing of course.

    That being said, since Barack Hussein Obama is the president, just what kind of president has he been so far? Precisely what has he “led” this nation to do? Absolutely nothing. There was no leadership regarding the so-called Affordable Health-Care Act - he not only pushed it down the throats of Americans, he did it in such a manner that had us choking even before he began the thrusts.

    Good presidents MUST be leaders - that’s a fact. Dictators push and command - that’s another fact. But far too many Americans have lost sight of who we truly need in the White House so they’ve either voted for this man out of innate stupidity, or they simply don’t care. And the media - oh, don’t get me started with them. They’re not stupid, they’re simply corrupt. If we’re to change anything in the Bill of Rights, remove the protection of the press.

    If this nation survives as the Republic envisioned by the Founders (and that’s a very big “if”), once the true damage is realized by all that this administration has done, our children and their children will pay the price for our stupidity. May God help us all. (Oops! I’m sorry, God is no longer relevant and in some instances not even permitted - hopefully the moderators of this forum will give me a pass this time.)

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:15 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    To clarify: Sentence or paragraph of the Reuters article... Your post is self evident.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:41 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I do not agree with everything you have said but it sure reflects exactly the way I feel. Great comment Sam.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:32 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Jerome said:

    In George W. Bush we had just that - a leader

    Jerome is correct. It cannot be denied that George W Bush brought the Conservative agenda that Jerome so admires and supports into reality. That these ideas led to one of the biggest foreign policy disasters in out nations history and the near meltdown of our economy also cannot be denied.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 6:36 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 499

    Ed, can't stand the truth from Walter?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:40 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075

    "pompous"

    Ditto

    [beam]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:31 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075

    "Great comments?"

    Yes, they were Ed.

    Sam's being honest. He's on 100% topic and presenting great points!

    You're just being pompous and behaving like an angry old man.

    Carry on!

    [lol]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:26 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1835

    Mr. Walters, haven't you heard? Obama claims that raising the debt limit will NOT raise the debt. Yeah, I believe it. Now, off to build a house on that Florida swamp land I bought on the internet last week. Got a really good deal.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 5:09 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 438

    Great comments? Evidently it all depends on who you ask. God bless the President as he leads the country to $20 trillion dollars in debt before he is finished. Bad enough as it is at the present. Walter---- stick to Vroooommmmm --- Vrooooooommmmmmmm and leave out your 2 bit barnyard sayings.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:16 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    "Maybe that was actually George W. Bush’s fault. From the very beginning it was apparent he was in way over his head – and he hasn’t been able to find his way out or at the very least find responsible people to surround himself with to make up for his short-falls – of which there are many."

    Finally, an admission from Mr. Kinderman that George W. Bush was "in way over his head."

    Yes, I'm being facetious - but the wording certainly was closer to the truth than Mr. Kinderman intended.

    Get over it - Obama is the president. For those of us who CANNOT get over Bush as president we have fantastic reasons - like 2 wars and a wrecked economy.

    Just who declared the "red line" is irrelevant considering Bush's incredible incompetence and the disgrace he brought to this country and the men and women who served in our military in two unnecessary wars.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:07 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    "The President IS and has been funding AlQueda Ms. Bobin! "

    I suspect that you have not read ALL the words in the article you cited, Mr. Liebich - black and white proof that YOU read what you want to read.

    Just exactly where in the article does it state that the Obama Administration is knowingly giving arms to al Qaeda?

    Just more of your usual BS with no substantiation.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:54 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075

    One can feel pity for someone who is pathetic in general.

    One can feel sorry for someone who has had a misfortune.

    In the case of the Jerry I would say both emotions are valid!!

    [wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:45 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075

    "God bless America and our President"

    Thanks Sam, great comments!!

    [thumbup]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 438

    Well said Ron, and Jerome for your point of view, which BTW I didn`t think I would ever hear coming from you. The question still remains, who fired the rockets containing the poison gas into Syria, Assad or the rebels. Assad claims he didn`t, at least we know where the gas came from, from Saddam under the cover of darkness, Saddam had the gas and killed thousands of his own people, Kurds to be exact. Close to 1,400 people died from the gas in Syria, now take into consideration that over 110,000 have been killed in the civil war that rages on in Syria today, keep the US out and let it remain a civil war, since this will go on until there are no rockets to be fired or people left to fire them.

    Between Barry, Kerry and the rest, Barnum and Baily have real a real challenge as far as keeping clowns are concerned, easy to tell the difference, the DC clowns don`t wear face paint.[beam]

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 3:21 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    After being a die hard Republican for 40 years I have learned to appreciate a President who drags his heels before going to another war. His hesitation looked a bit off but I am ok with it. I, for one, am so tired of war. Was his "red line" statement regrettable? Yes. Sometimes a REAL man has to eat a little crow even if he is our president. I respect him for not rushing us into an attack. I will take that kind of blunder any day.

    Before the "red line" threat Assad had no WMDs. Now he admits he does have them. I like that Putin is in the mix. We have our differences but we also share have common goals. We both are against chemical warfare and radical islamic terrorists. I pray for a peaceful solution ... and God bless America and our President.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:46 pm on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2323

    The issue here isn’t hypocrisy, it’s actually how unbelievably different things must look from behind the big desk in the Oval Office. Presidents are expected to “lead.” In George W. Bush we had just that - a leader (at least for his first six years; after that even I was asking “where’s George?”). In Barack H. Obama we simply don’t have a leader on any level; he’s a pusher. Oh, it’s not his fault, not at all. There are some of us who are just not cut out to be leaders. How in the world Obama became President of the United States will always remain a mystery to me. Maybe that was actually George W. Bush’s fault. From the very beginning it was apparent he was in way over his head – and he hasn’t been able to find his way out or at the very least find responsible people to surround himself with to make up for his short-falls – of which there are many.

    Rather than instill faith in this country as to his ability to make hard decisions on a moment’s notice, Obama kicks back and waffles. Or worse, he lies, cheats, or finds other untoward ways of getting what he wants (or what he may actually believe to be in the best interest of this nation). Yet of all the arguments against Obama during the Democrat primaries no longer remains the question of whether he’d be the “go-to guy” when the phone rings at 3:00 a.m. Clearly, he is not. But neither is Hillary (but that’s an issue for another day in the not-so-distant future).

    It WAS Barack Hussein Obama who drew the red line; it was not the world or anyone else. One way or another he’s going to have to own up to that; or at least his followers should. Based upon his record thus far, I have little hope for this man who never had a snow-ball’s chance of being a great or even a good president.

    I just hope that all of this incredible damage can be undone. Before it really is too late.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:52 am on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2953

    The president, citing his authority under the Arms Export Control Act, announced that he would “waive the prohibitions in sections 40 and 40A of the Arms Control Export Act" YESTERDAY!

    What more "proof" could one possibly need?

    The President IS and has been funding AlQueda Ms. Bobin![sleeping]

    A FACT Reuters reported last August by the way...
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120802

    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:26 am on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I must say I agree with your opposition to bombing Syria. However I find this attack on the President a little Hypocritical:

    Let them bleed for Obama’s failures, not American servicemen and women who Obama couldn’t care less about.

    I seem to remember when people like the President and I were against the war in Iraq started by and supported by uber patriots such as yourself we were accused of not “supporting the troops” and of being unpatriotic. You have one advantage over most people who do not know what the word hypocrite means. They have to look it up in the dictionary. All you have to do is look in the mirror.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:52 am on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Is this the same Ron Portal who, just last week, declared his dying dedication to adhering to the US Constitution which he apparently thought was being violated?

    Now he's complaining that President Obama, by following the Constitution and going to Congress for authorization for military action, is setting Congress up as the "fall guy?"

    I agree that we should not get involved in Syria (of course, aside from Andrew Liebich's claim that we are already funding the al Qaeda rebels - they need our money and hopefully they will succeed in taking over the Syrian government so they can attack all of our allies in the Middle East (makes PERFECT sense, right, Mr. Liebich?), but really WHAT is Ron Portal complaining about?

    Follow the Constitution and be damned or don't follow the Constitution and be damned.

    Make up your mind, Mr. Portal!!

     
  • Michael Hartung posted at 7:42 am on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    mhartung Posts: 24

    No kidding....of course not. But if that cowboy George W was in office you would be saying let's go bomb them. I am sure you were for the Iraq invasion, which was the worst foreign policy decision ever. Don't be a hypocrite and admit you can't stand anything this president does. If not mistaken.....we have not bombed them, so now are you upset and is the president weak?

     

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