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Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:00 pm

The state of the economy in the world is bad - every nation has its woes. A huge part of California's woes are in the millions and millions of dollars the illegal immigrants are costing taxpayers.

Between medical, criminal and supplemental entitlements to illegal immigrants, California is on its financial knees.

Why do our tax dollars have to go to support illegal people? What part of the word "illegal" don't we get? Throw the bums out, close the borders, no anchor babies - if one of the two parents isn't a citizen, neither should the child be declared a citizen just because the mother gained illegal entry to California and had her child born free with taxpayers picking up the cost. Why do you think medical costs are so high? Because thousands of illegals don't pay. You pay for them through higher medical costs.

I am trying to retire and my medical insurance costs are astronomical. I never once thought medical insurance would cost me more than any house payment I ever had. I don't mind paying my fair share, I just don't want to pay illegal immigrants' fair shares, too.

Joe Baxter

Lodi

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48 comments:

  • posted at 2:52 pm on Thu, Jan 22, 2009.

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    Ttian, Michael Moores documentaries are a lot of things, but fact filled isn't one of them. Michael Moore is just a character invented by Michael Moore. When he is on a promotion tour, he rents two hotel rooms. A cheap hotel, where he holds press conferences, and a posh hotel, where he stays. He went to private school, dad retired wealthy at 55, and spent most of the rest of his life hanging out at the country club. He lives in a n almost exclusively white neighborhood, and hires very few minorities to work for him. He even does production work using Canadian companies to avoid paying American union workers. Yeah, he's a good dude.

     
  • posted at 2:32 am on Wed, Jan 21, 2009.

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    jrs wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:08 PM:No, the INS should make that decision, send her and her "umdocumented" family back where they belong.

     
  • posted at 5:11 pm on Tue, Jan 20, 2009.

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    Voter: This is my report. hint- Don't drink the water---it is loaded with "animalitos", Mexi-speak for protozoa and intestinal parasites.

     
  • posted at 2:58 am on Mon, Jan 19, 2009.

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    For once, edumacation, you've come up with a good idea. How about you go first and report back.

     
  • posted at 2:12 am on Mon, Jan 19, 2009.

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    Turnabout is Fair play. We need to visit Mexico and start squatting and breeding Anglo babies. Refuse to speak Spanish, Don't work, and gripe about the Indios. We should start breeding with at least 6 kids per family and watch TV all day long. Mexico would be the new Texico.

     
  • posted at 11:43 am on Sun, Jan 18, 2009.

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    If you don't think illegal Mexican ailiens aren't a problem, visit this site. It should open your eyes,,,,http://fulldisclosure.net/Programs/479-480.php

     
  • posted at 7:43 am on Sun, Jan 18, 2009.

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    Yea..... ok...

     
  • posted at 6:14 am on Sat, Jan 17, 2009.

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    jeff: Respectfully, I'm trying to build private awareness for the definition of legalese words "citizen" "resident" "taxpayer."God created Man.Man created Government: Govt is Man's servant, not vice versa.Govt created citizens: Citizens are government's servants, not vice versa.There is a huge difference between a living man and a citizen. I am a living man.Living Men and Women can instruct their public servants what they want in order to serve them. Citizens cannot."Taxpayer" : If ever a living man is hauled into tax court and the judge says, "how do you plea?" the best response is "I am not a taxpayer." Then it is the responsibility of the court to show that the alleged defendant is a taxpayer, before the trial can proceed. Noone can prove it. Noone is going to testify under penalties of perjury that the defendant is a taxpayer. The defendant will go free.If the defendant pleas "Not guilty," the defendent is giving consent to the jurisdiction, the trial will proceed, and the taxpayer will lose.

     
  • posted at 6:05 am on Sat, Jan 17, 2009.

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    I read 3000 anchor babies were born in Stockton in 2003. That's 10 per day.

     
  • posted at 4:26 am on Sat, Jan 17, 2009.

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    Racist assumption: Americans or Our=white Caucasian. Our language, our culture, our ways. Fact: Our means a rich variety of languages, cultures and ways. If our or American is used to mean white Caucasian, that is racist. Many ethnicities and races make up American Citizens. Asian Americans, European Americans which includes white Caucasians, African Americans, Hispanic Americans and so forth and a variety of races were here before the US was the US. But the true home American is the Indian American. Bottom line: Entering illegally into the US should not be done and should be enforced.To scapegoat illegals for economic and health cost problems is erroneous. To label a group of people as lazy, dumb, or practicing wrong/evil doers based on the color of their skin is racist, ie. Mexican illegals, as opposed to illegals from the United Kingdom, etc

     
  • posted at 4:21 am on Sat, Jan 17, 2009.

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    Racist assumptions: Most Illegals just come here to take get welfare. Fact: Most illegals take low paying jobs and live below the poverty line without welfare and illegals working in agriculture have greatly contributed to flourish and maintain the agricultural economy and power of California. Ask many of your local farmers. Illegals buy items and services. Those provided by your jobs. As illegals do leave the US, your items and services will not be as required, therefore your jobs will not be required.Racist assumption: Illegal=Mexican, Illegal=dumb, Illegal = lazy,Illegal=serial wrong doer,evil Fact:This reminds me of the racism towards African Americans pre civil rights movement. Many illegals are not Mexican, and often enter legally but stay illegally. Yes, there are many illegals from Europe but if their face is not brown, or if their language is not Spanish, they are not perceived as illegal.Assumptions. Most Illegas have children: FAct:Most illegal individuals do not have children. They are adults.

     
  • posted at 4:12 am on Sat, Jan 17, 2009.

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    This is another letter based on scapegoat and racism. I am not promoting illegal entry into the US in anyway but the problems the US and california face is in great part due to government and its ties to greed and lack of ethics in business. We have health care for profit, therefore high cost of insurance, may Obama be successful in implementing National Health Care, Face it we will pay for it with taxes or we will pay doubt with health insurance premiums and outrageous doctor and hospital bills. (Rent the documentary Sicko by Michael Moore, to be informed about the facts. ) The poor, illegal or not, Do attempt to pay and honor bills, even if in payments. Just because a person is here illegal does not mean they do not want to do right, Jesus said, Cast the first stone, but perhaps desperate to cross a treacherous life risking road with no guarantee in a still racist society. Scapegoat because according to this according to the following article, Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?_r=1

     
  • posted at 1:28 am on Sat, Jan 17, 2009.

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    JEFF, as a teacher I would assume you would know that the word illegal means AGAINST THE LAW. Apparently you don't. Lawbreakers are lawbreakers regardless of their intentions or demeanor. Lots of criminals pay taxes does that excuse their criminal behaviour?

     
  • posted at 12:30 pm on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    'if immigrants want to come to America and live they need to do so legally and become productive, taxpaying citizens.'What about immigrants who have not immigrated legally, but ARE productive, taxpaying(sans income tax) members of this society?The idea that you and Mazie promote, that illegal immgrants and honest, law-abiding, taxaying people are mutually exclusive is very narrow-minded.

     
  • posted at 8:45 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    LodiJoe: you are right on!

     
  • posted at 8:11 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    Jeff, I have a HUGE problem with anyone, illegal or not, that trashes America and abuses our system. All I am saying is if immigrants want to come to America and live they need to do so legally and become productive, taxpaying citizens. They come here, work and live as cheaply as possible and send as much money as they can back to Mexico and don't pay a dime into the system. Meanwhile we are educating their children, providing free medical, housing subsidies, interpereters for EVERYTHING. If they want to stay here so bad, get legal or get the hell out.

     
  • posted at 5:50 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    Do not blame obama or any politicans, we only have ourselves to blame for the Mexiacn freeloading, we allowed Spanish to be written and spoken, but the Mexicans sure can read our money and understand enough English to recieve all sorts of free programs in the US, we are to blame for not enforcing our immigration laws not the Mexicans, they are only taking what we allow them to take from us. Do you think our big businesses have anything to do about wanting low wages hiring these people? So go to your walmarts and buy cheap items just remember a humanbeing some where made that item at cheap labor for us rich Americans

     
  • posted at 3:11 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    Mazie, stupid is as stupid does.

     
  • posted at 2:35 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    Well i think it is wrong that illegals are here, getting free services and sending money back to Mexico. They need to become citizens or leave. They should not have it both ways. Can you imagine what would happen if we went to Mexico and expected the services they are receiving here? We should treat them the way they treat us if we invade their country. Illegal is illegal.

     
  • posted at 1:29 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    'I have a BIG problem with illegals that trash MY country and abuse the system for their benefit.'Question: Do you have a BIG problem with natural born citizens that trash OUR country and abuse the system for their benefit?I'd be curious to see the numbers. How much is "spent" on undocumented immigrants vs. institutional welfare recipients. How about what they each "pay in" by means other than income tax. I don't know the numbers, but I'd be curious to see them.

     
  • posted at 1:19 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    LodiJoe says "They won't be happy until the trash America like they did Mexico."LodiJoe, do you think this is some sort of conspiratorial plot? Do you really believe that there is a *desire* on the part of immigrants to make pernicious decisions? Are you positing that there is a purposeful attempt to bring destruction? To what end?

     
  • posted at 1:19 am on Fri, Jan 16, 2009.

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    LodiJoe says "They won't be happy until the trash America like they did Mexico."LodiJoe, do you think this is some sort of conspiratorial plot? Do you really believe that there is a *desire* on the part of immigrants to make pernicious decisions? Are you positing that there is a purposeful attempt to bring destruction? To what end?

     
  • posted at 11:26 pm on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    LoadEye.. just why do you think the south east side is so run down? Nobody will wants to live in the crime ridden areas. Who is doing the crimes? Every time it hits the paper the perpetrators are hispanic. Not too many caucasians in the Crips or Bloods. They won't be happy until the trash America like they did Mexico. I have NO problem with immigrants. I have a BIG problem with illegals that trash MY country and abuse the system for their benefit.

     
  • posted at 11:20 pm on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    JEFF, if the child is undocumented then so are her parents, they ALL should be deported. It is not the child's fault that her parents entered the country ILLEGALLY, but it is not MY fault either, and I am sick and tired of ILLEGALS using up our resources.

     
  • posted at 2:08 pm on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    My sentiments exactly, Jeff. LodiJoe really expects the little girl to make a principled, sacrificial decision? I suppose LodiJoe feels that she should find her way to an INS office and figure out which documents she needs to file.

     
  • posted at 1:28 pm on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    LodiJoe, do you think a 12 year old girl has any say in where she is born or lives. Can she leave her family to go back to Mexico after her parents brought her here when she was two, and this is the only land she knows? All she knows is that as an adolescent her job is the same as any other: to go to school, get good grades, and prepare for college.

     
  • posted at 11:33 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    For anyone interested--The welfare system changed during the Clinton administration. There is a lifetime limit on the number of months an individual can receive assistance--generally 60 months. Thousands upon thousands of families have had their payments stop and cases closed when this limit was reached.

     
  • posted at 11:23 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Our Country is NOT in trouble because of Illegals. We are in trouble because we have too many cheifs and NOT enough Indians EVERYWHERE!!Sure they don't help but,neither do the fully capable healthy people whocan work but won't.They get welfare , free education, why work?They have it made and get to be home with their kids (sort of).You can't just blame Illegals. I agree they should do what it takes to be here legally however, we have money drains in our own backyard! Who are American and who are here LEGALLY.......

     
  • posted at 11:23 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    LodiJoe, why don't you go ask Lodi PD. If they ran all the illegals from Lodi, the eastside would be 60-75% vacated. Just who do you think rents those slumhouses and slum apartments your city leaders, good ol' boys, investors, realtors and Lodi's wealthy own? Those illegals are the only ones keeping Lodi afloat right now, with their cheap and under the table wages, bogus SS numbers, and hard work. You whites will be the minority here within 10 years, so learn to live with it. Go to your council, management, police department and code enforcement and demand they put a stop to it right now. They'll laugh in your face. That's their bread and butter and none of us will ever upset the apple cart as long as those all white, wealthy faces stay on your city council. Look at the mess they have us in now, and it gets worse every day. Their owners have them obeying every command. They are the laughing stock of Lodi-Stockton-Galt. If only your local owners of the newspaper weren't afraid of them and told everyone the real goings on, they'd been laughed out of town by now, and their "cheerleaders"

     
  • posted at 10:31 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Thank you LNS for deleting the post by glad2beout.

     
  • posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    glad2beout--is that a reference to prison or the looney bin?

     
  • posted at 8:27 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Jeff, what in the heck is an "undocumented" student doing in your classroom in the first place? Illegal is illegal and they have NO right to enter the US illegally and partake of the services that American taxpayers have made possible. It has nothing to do with being stupid or intelligent, it is all about abusing the generosity of the American people. Draining the resources American taxpayers have poured their hard earned money into and won't be available when they need them. GET LEGAL OR GET OUT.

     
  • posted at 4:22 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    'Intelligent illegals? You make me laugh, Jeff.'I have a very intelligent undocumented student in my class. Your argument has now been refuted. The fact that you believe that a) all or most 'illegals' are Mexican, and b) all illegals/mexicans are stupid exemplifies your racism.By all means, keep opening your mouth and demonstrating your ignorance and bigotry.

     
  • posted at 4:09 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    jrs, great post! That's what changed my life forever and having a warm heart is worth every minute of my volunteerism with many different causes, situations and people.

     
  • posted at 4:04 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Get used to it, Mazie. In ten years, if you're white, which I assume you are lily white, you'll be the minority. So get used to it and enjoy life, if you know how. Are you just afraid of the competition? Are you one of the good ol' boys group? If not, you should be, you come from the same mold.

     
  • posted at 4:04 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    You complain about what the Democrats voted in yet, we are in a heap of trouble because of the 8 years of the republican who has been in office. We had surplus money when Clinton left office and now we are facing a recession. The hypocracy is amazing. It will take Obama years to clean up Bush's mess.

     
  • posted at 4:00 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Mazie your blatant racisim is showing.

     
  • posted at 3:21 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Mazie, if you spent half the time helping seniors or schoolchildren as you do complaining, people might actually benefit from your pent-up energy. Much better to work towards the positive than simply complain about the negative. How about spending time/money helping a senior citizen fix up their yard, or taking them a meal? How about volunteering in a child literacy program? For all I know, you may already be very involved with something. But you do seem to come off as someone who would rather complain than be an influence for positive change. You're not going to win anyone to your side with your current strategy, that's for sure.

     
  • posted at 2:54 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Intelligent illegals? You make me laugh, Jeff. Working our system and getting free service does not make them intelligent. It makes them dishonest and users. Our country, especially CAL, is in deep trouble and they are only adding to it. But do they care? Soon we will be out of money and they will be forced to leave WOO HOO! Be back this afternoon for your response LOL

     
  • posted at 2:44 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Jeff: grow a brain and realize what this conversation is about. I suppose you think we should continue to support illegls?

     
  • posted at 2:42 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    A few weeks ago, a person called me a racist and took down my post for saying that. I had to explain to her I was not racist and to google "operation wetback." i never heard back from her again. People need to educate themselves before drawing conclusions. Not everyone is a racist for speaking out against something they feel strongly about. Illegal is illegal whether you are mexican, chinese, german etc.

     
  • posted at 2:38 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Mazie says, 'Cut the stupid illegals from getting free services instead.' So I guess intelligent illegals should continue getting services.Better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

     
  • posted at 2:33 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Well the Mexicans are still screaming that california should be theirs. They think they deserve the free services since that happened. They keep cutting the wrong services. They are cutting help that seniors need, they are cutting school funds. Cut the stupid illegals from getting free services instead. We need to bring back OPERATION WETBACK. Anyone who thinks that was a racial slur should first google it. It actually happened.

     
  • posted at 2:06 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    Stand in line like the REST OF THE WORLD MUST DO! Learn our Language, our Laws, our customs, Pass the 100 question citizenship test that the immigration office gives you! Pay the fees Every other legal immigrant pays and wait in line! Everyone else has to wait on line! What makes hispanics feel they don't need to OBEY the same law the rest of the world's people must obey? Having ANCHOR baby after Anchor baby is simply a way to make it more difficult for ICE agents to deport a single mother. It is a tremendous drain on our social and medical and aid programs! Obama will NOT strengthen BORDER control and EVERY demo voter knows that!

     
  • posted at 2:01 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    I am ashamed of everyone who voted Democratic last year! You didn't care about anything but OUSTING the Republicans at any cost! Well over the next 4 years you'll see why angre ruled your mind more then common sense! Demo's have ALWAYS been for "SOCIAL PROGRAMS, ALWAYS! Social programs will NOT Strengthen our Country, our borders and they will NOT put people back to work. Shame on each demo voter! You selfishly made your choice and now the rest of us have to suffer for it too!

     
  • posted at 1:57 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    His aunt will be the first one granted Amnesty, you can be sure, plus the Hispanic vote over-whelmingly went to Obama, because they were backing Hillary for Pres! Total Amnesty, no fine, no return to Mexico and apply for citizenship, no learning to Read, write or speak English, and no learning about our Laws and worst of all No assimilation! What a great plan by our New President! Total Amnesty will be granted by December 31, 2009 I predict! Total Amnesty guarantees Hillaries and Obama's and the Demo's Re-Election in 2012! How sad!

     
  • posted at 1:57 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    MAZIE. slowly but surely this country is turning into pure socialism. We are FORCED to pay for those who chose not to pay. I don't have a problem with someone who needs temporary help but there are far too many people who make it a lifestyle. These people are experts at milking the system and teach future generations to do likewise. I welcome immigrants to the America, but come in legally and pay your way. They come here for handouts all the while espousing their hatred for this country. Unbelievable.

     
  • posted at 12:59 am on Thu, Jan 15, 2009.

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    I totally agree with you. I can't believe Obama wants to make illegals "legal." But then again, his aunt is here illegally. This is the piece of crap you guys voted into office. Shame on you who voted for him. You think we have problems now? Wait until all the illegals are made legal.This is the reason our country is broke, we give free services to people who should be in jail, of course that is at our expense too so how do you win? Send them back and secure our borders. No more anchor babies. I do not feel sorry for any of them.

     

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