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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:00 am

In the past week I watched our president who joked about a lipstick stain on his collar — at least he is not taking after Bill Clinton.

I’ve said it before: With all the covering up that goes on in our government, we need a good cleaning out so we can get some people in there who are for old Joe citizen, and not those who will line their pockets the fastest.

Why don’t we stop all this foreign aid and take care of our own? They should stop giving all the illegals who are here free stuff such as food stamps and free medical care. When something is for the asking, they are the first in line.

As for the street punks — round them up and send them back! Close the borders and make them come over the legal way!

Well, the people in Washington are at it again — going to vote themselves another raise. We, the people, have to show that we are worth a raise, not the less you do, the more you get! I believe we need an overhaul in our government!

Ira Senecal

Lodi

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40 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 7:29 pm on Wed, Jun 26, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1403

    Another outstanding rebuttal!

    This should make us consider, just what is "hogwash" and why does Joe use it constantly?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:46 pm on Tue, Jun 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [beam]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 2:56 pm on Tue, Jun 25, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Joe: I think we both are partially correct and incorrect here. Check out Title 19 USC 1459 for the federal text. A first offense is punishable by a $5000 civil penalty and a $10,000 civil penalty for each repeat offense. Any violation of subsection(e) is punishable with a fine of $5,000 or imprisonment for not more than 1 year, or both. Then deportation. Until recently, I thought the law was exactly as you posted. It must have changed or wasn't/isn't enforced. A lot of info can be had by using keywords "penalty and fines for illegal crossing of US border.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:41 am on Tue, Jun 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    HOGWASH

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:40 am on Tue, Jun 25, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1850

    Robert posted "Federal immigration law says that unlawful presence in the US is a civil offense and is therefore not a crime.Punishment is deportation.As the laws are currently written, illegal entry into the US does not make one a criminal."
    They made the FIRST time an illegal entrant was caught a misdemeanor (still a crime) so the illegal border crossers could be easily returned to Mexico or Canada. The SECOND time they are caught is a FELONY.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:04 pm on Mon, Jun 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Illegals contribute much more than they take.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:03 pm on Mon, Jun 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I learn something new everyday. Thank you Robert

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:01 pm on Mon, Jun 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jesus was put to death because his philosophy was a danger to those who were in power and the wealthy.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:00 pm on Mon, Jun 24, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Senecal needs to stop watching Fox News

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:12 pm on Mon, Jun 24, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    Vrooooom... Vrooooom...

    [smile]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 1:15 pm on Mon, Jun 24, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 549

    Joanne, between you and Jerome, your post sound like something right out of Hollywood. Way back then, there was not an English language as we know of it today and translation from Hebrew, Latin and Greek must have kept the scholars busy. Making up words to fit where there were none.

    BTW, nothing is mentioned about Joe and Mary after birth or the death of Christ. Lots of fuzzy math there. If Christ died for our sins, looking at todays world it seems that his death might have been in vain, middle east for instance and from what I read, more people are leaving religion.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:53 am on Sun, Jun 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Why do people always come up with the platitude, "If I entered another country illegally....?"

    Many wealthy countries have that problem all over the globe.

    The US is obviously cursed with the reputation that we can offer a better living than other countries and it is obvious that we have employers who are more than willing to take advantage of that.

    Many people believe it is worth risking their lives to try it - and many have perished in the process. As long as WE, the people, keep putting out the bait, they will come.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:46 am on Sun, Jun 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Never said that Jesus said He was the King of the Jews - His actions and reputation lead people to believe that is what HE thought He was.

    John 19:3

    "Crown of Thorns"

    From Wiki: "The acronym INRI (Iēsus Nazarēnus, Rēx Iūdaeōrum) represents the Latin inscription which in English reads as "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews" and John 19:20 states that this was written in three languages: Hebrew, Latin and Greek during the crucifixion of Jesus."

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:31 am on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Of course I wouldn't advocate taking a child's parent away from them - not at all. But that would be up to the parents. This notion that the responsibility for the children of illegal immigrants rests with the government is preposterous! I raised my children to the best of my ability and would never have voluntarily allowed myself to be separated from them - ever. So the decision should rest with the parents, or is that too harsh? They could take their kids with them or find someone here to care for them. If they have any sense of love, it would be THEY who would ensure that they would never be separated.

    So who would it be putting them at risk - the law that should be enforced, or the parents who would knowingly put them at risk while resting on the "hope" that the United States government wouldn't give them these kinds of options?

    By the way, this has nothing to do with my stance on the killing of unborn human beings, although it still comes down to taking responsibility for one's actions. I believe that by the time any of us are twelve years old we know where babies come from - so the best course of action is to simply not make babies you don't want. Or are we really not responsible enough to figure these things out? I find that impossible to believe.

    Mr. Barrow, I find your “oh-so-caring” attitude regarding the removal of a mothers child from her to be somewhat disingenuous since you have no problem with obliterating an unborn child as it rests quietly and safely within the womb of its mother. Talk about taking a child away from its mother!! Or is that truly in the best interest of the child?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:19 am on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    We’re obviously getting away from the intent of my original post. But where in the Bible does Jesus claim to be king of the Jews? When standing before Pilate who asked him if He was king of the Jews, Christ answered by saying: “You say so.” (Matthews 27:11) Hardly an admission. And then when standing before the priests and elders who asked the same question Christ remained silent. (Ibid., 27:12) Finally in Matthew 27:14 with regard to this entire idea that Christ laid claim to being the king of the Jews it states: “But he did not answer even one accusation, so that the governor [Pilate] was quite amazed.”

    As for Herod chasing Jesus down since he was born - how could a baby break the law? Isn’t that the argument at issue here - that Jesus was hardly someone who didn’t break the law? Where? When?

    We are expected to obey the laws of God and of men - not an easy task - but it is what we’re supposed to do. Aren’t most of the population of Mexico Catholic? A quick Google reveals that nearly 89% of Mexico’s population are Roman Catholic. And yet in spite of what they are expected to do, they choose to break not only man’s laws, but the edict in Mark where Jesus Himself implores us to “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” (Mark 12:17) We are taught that this isn’t limited to just taxes, but to laws as well.

    I have to admit that I would like to live for awhile in Great Britain, but never to the extent that I would forfeit my citizenship in the United States. Nevertheless, if I were to simply row a little boat to the White Cliffs of Dover and sneak in during the dark of night and expect to live there with impunity, I’d be nuts. Finding a job would be nearly impossible; as would renting any sort of home. I would have to prove that I was legally permitted to be there. If I could provide no proof, I would expect to be arrested, confined and then quickly sent back to the USA. Why are those who cross our borders so different; what makes them so sure that they can get away with it? Liberalism and liberals – that’s what.

    So yeah, who do they think they are?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:35 am on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Precisely! Who DO they think they are?!? Once again - we are a nation of laws, not of individuals who can simply do what they want contrary to those laws. If I were to decide to thwart any other nation's immigration laws in the same fashion as those who constantly jump our southern border (this IS where the majority come across), I would be arrested and sent home - and rightfully so. And if I did this over and over again, I would find myself in one of their jails (or even prison), forced to pay a fine and then again sent home - and still rightfully so.

    Why should these people be given a pass? They DO use certain public services that are already over-taxed by our own populations (hospitals, schools for example). They commit crimes against persons and property and end up in our already over-populated jails and prisons.

    And now we're going to forget all that simply because there's way too many of them to round up and send back to their countries of origin? And why? Well, for their potential votes, that's why!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:48 am on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Herod "found no fault with Jesus?"

    I don't know which historical account YOU are reading, Mr. Kinderman, but perhaps you should go back and check that claim.

    As for Pilate, the traditional "washed his hands" of the whole matter simply meant he deferred to the Jews and allowed them to condemn Jesus to death for claiming he was the King of the Jews. Herod had been after Jesus almost since birth.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:36 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Considering that both Herod and Pilate found no fault with Jesus, He was put to death for nothing. Unless claiming to be the Son of God was in violation of the law. And even if it was, the truth of the matter is that Jesus IS the Son of God, therefore He violated no laws. So in essence Christ was put to death for claiming to be who He actually was (Is).

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:46 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1403

    Maybe people get tired of typing "illegal aliens" and just use "illegals" when it's obvious we are talking about the same group of people.

    It's nice you developed a code word "anchor babies". What derogatory term does this take the place of?

    Perhaps cat tracking can translate over to "illegal alien" tracking and you could use those skills down south?

    Maybe you should see what Arthur Laffer says about illegals impact on our economy on 6-17-13 on the Fox Business Channel with Tom Sullivan.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:28 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Jesus Christ was "law-abiding?"

    Really? So you are saying that Jesus Christ was crucified by the Romans for NOT breaking Roman law?

    Just another fun day at Calvary, eh?

    Jesus knew exactly that what he was doing was against Roman law.

    That was God's plan - that Jesus had to die for our sins and the Romans had to make an example of him. He certainly wasn't going to nail himself to the cross, now was he?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:02 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Of course we all understand that even Jesus Christ was a believer in compliance with the law - or do some think He was one of those who believed that laws should be obeyed only if and when one thinks they're okay. No, I don't think so.

    Without compliance we have anarchy. No nation has ever lasted long with such a lackadaisical approach to the law.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:02 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Federal immigration law says that unlawful presence in the US is a civil offense and is therefore not a crime.Punishment is deportation.As the laws are currently written, illegal entry into the US does not make one a criminal.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 2:30 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Hmm. Was Jesus Christ a legal immigrant in the countries He lived in as he preached about God's kingdom? [innocent]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:18 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    You would take a child's parent away from them and remove a mothers child from her, that says a lot. I suppose you should revisit your stance on abortion because you are clearly not concerned with the well being of a child.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:59 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Just had a suggestion from a friend: "What amazing Christian charity Mr. Kinderman displays."

    Can't think of a better way of mirroring Jesus Christ's teaching: Send those "illegal aliens" back where they belong. Who the heck do they think they are?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:55 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm curious what Mr. Kinderman thinks about the affluent Mainland Chinese who have turned to a new trade called Maternity Tourism - in case you've never heard of this - probably not - wealthy Chinese pay a minimum of 35K to travel to the US to give birth so their children have US citizenship. They then return home and, later, their children have all the advantages of US citizenship - admittance to universities, scholarships, FREEBIES GALORE!

    Oh, but they are Asian - they're not lazy, they're smart, they WORK for a living - not like the dirtball Hispanics who are here only to take advantage of all the free things they can get their hands on.

    If you only knew what the REAL immigration system - "the LINE" as you call it, was really about. The average American would be screaming in the streets to find out how immigration really works. The bribes, pay-offs, the crooks in the "legal system." The average outraged American, like Mr. Kinderman, would be protesting in the streets if they knew how "the line" really worked.

    But I applaud your willingness to think "the line" really exists.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:54 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    I find it absolutely amazing are those who actually refer to "illegal aliens" as "illegals" somehow feel sorry for them. By virtue of their title (illegals), doesn't this denote the face that they're in a constant state of illegality and should be stopped from committing that one offense alone? The ONLY cure for someone doing something illegal is to stop them from doing it; and in this case it would be to send them back to their countries of origin, SECURING THE BORDERS (YES – I AM YELLING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS) so that we don't make it so easy for them to return to that status of illegality and then maybe they'll get in line like the non-illegal’s as they go through the process of emigrating to the United States of America from wherever they were born.

    On the other hand, I suppose by just instantaneously granting them non-illegal status (amnesty), everything will be solved. But what about obeying the law; and what about those thousands (if not more) who have been patiently waiting in line obeying the law while going through the process of entering our country from theirs? Is that so old fashioned that we should do away with ALL of our immigration requirements?

    As for “anchor babies,” it should be oh-so-obvious that maybe the only reason they’re giving birth to children here is to do an end-run around our immigration laws. In this case give them 30 days to get their children set up with relatives who ARE here legally then have them return to their countries of origin to get in line, etc., etc. If there are no relatives or anyone else available to care for these children, then send them back with their parents to their countries of origin . . .

    But until the borders are secured, this problem will NEVER be adequately resolved. And the only reason I can think of for those on the left to be against keeping people from breaking the law is the potential for liberal votes. It certainly can’t be because they’re so benevolent and kind – there are far too many examples that prove otherwise.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    dailycaller.com/.../illegal-aliens-already-eligible-for-retirement-programs... An interesting article by Neil Monro,Whitehouse Correspondent

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wrong! [sleeping]

    Perhaps if you read the links that you provide, you would find they mostly DO NOT back up what you contend, Mr. Liebich.

    Meanwhile, I think I'll go out and round up a few illegals and see if I can get them on the SNAP program as YOU claim they can do. The problem is, I'll have to consult with Mr. Baumbach, since he has claimed he knows tons of illegals. I'm not personally acquainted with any.

    I'll post the results in a few weeks.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:40 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich kindly provided the following link that backs up what I stated previously - something I'm sure he did not intend. [sleeping]

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-usda-records-sponsoring-u-s-food-stamp-program-for-illegal-aliens/

    Only a few sentences into this article it CLEARLY states that this pamphlet is provided to Mexican citizens who HAVE US CITIZEN CHILDREN - thus the children qualify for SNAP, not the so-called "illegals."

    In order to apply for these benefits for their US CITIZEN CHILDREN, the parents do not have to disclose their immigration status.

    If that offends you and Mr. Kindseth, that US citizens are qualified to received SNAP benefits, then I suppose you should both lobby your Congressmen and Senators to have that changed - or stage your own protests.

    But I suspect that neither of those will occur as Mr. Liebich and Mr. Kindseth prefer to snarl about illegals under their breath and blog about the injustice of it all in this forum.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:20 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Yawn

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:41 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-usda-records-sponsoring-u-s-food-stamp-program-for-illegal-aliens/[sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:39 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is working with the Mexican government to promote participation by illegal aliens in the U.S. food stamp program.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-usda-records-sponsoring-u-s-food-stamp-program-for-illegal-aliens/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:58 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thank you for your full and very complete refutation of all of the goodies that YOU think illegals are getting, Mr. Kindseth.

    Let's get some real-life examples that YOU personally know of.

    I doubt you can give even one that is not a figment of your imagination.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 6:26 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    Thank you for your full and very complete analysis of the Welfare systems, food stamps [snap etc], scholarships, subsidies, hiring preferences and a list of freebies erroneously given to illegals that would fill a page in the LNS and those subsystems and the demographics of those skirting the requirements. Time to study and understand both sides.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:25 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1403

    Illegals generally try and avoid sticking out because they are subject to deportation.

    Where are we going to send back the many American-born, white street punks to?
    If I follow you're letter, then any gang member or "street punk" can be deported to some foreign country, seek permission to return and resume their "street punk" activities?

    "I believe we need an overhaul in our government!"

    I believe you need to take a civics or government course in the hopes that you will not write another letter filled with almost as many inaccuracies as there are paragraphs.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:48 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Really, Mr. Kindseth?

    Prove to me that just ONE illegal that YOU know is getting "free stuff."

    Perhaps you will have the chance to whistleblow the government employee that signed up an illegal alien for food stamps and MediCal.

    And BTW - don't need examples of any illegals with children who are American citizens that are entitled to these benefits.

    "Fact-free?" Prove it.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 9:53 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    Both LTE and posts are stereotypical comments and fact-free

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:38 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    Dat nermit all those gosh dern freeloaders are makin all us rightful entitlement takers git lest stuff

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:52 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "They should stop giving all the illegals who are here free stuff such as food stamps and free medical care. When something is for the asking, they are the first in line."

    Contrary to your beliefs, Mr. Senecal, illegals cannot receive food stamps or MediCal.

    And I'm curious just how Mr. Senecal "knows" that "when something is for the asking, they are first in line?"

    Most are busy working in conditions that most Americans refuse to work under and for wages most Americans would not accept. They don't have time to stand in lines asking for handouts.

     

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