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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:00 am

This is in reply to Joe Guzzardi, Linda Gooden and other articles.

Guzzardi states that only 38 percent Americans support the proposed health care. I am sure those 38 percent are probably people without health care, people who had a bad experience with their current health insurance, like the insurance was canceled or a life-saving operation denied, etc.

Why are so many others against it when nobody really knows what's included in this bill and 49 percent (according to Guzzardi) do not even know what a public option is?

Why do people think that the health care in Canada, Britain and Europe is so bad, when the life expectancy of these countries are way ahead of the U.S.? For instance: Switzerland has a life expectancy of 81.7 years, the U.S. is at 78.2 years. As a matter of fact, the U.S. is number 38 on the list, just below Cuba. Should we be proud of that?

Well, it all starts with the right wing in Congress fighting it with all their might. If it would not be for the right wing fighting this to the end, for negative media and for articles like Guzzardi's "Obamacare a lose-lose," Linda Gooden's "Kill the bill" and others, this health care bill would have been passed long ago.

Linda Gooden states it is too expensive — she has health insurance, why bother about the rest of us? Nothing is free. We always seem to have plenty of money for wars, but when it comes to health care, it is "too expensive."

Let's hope that the richest country in the world will soon have health insurance for every citizen!

Heinz Lehrach

Lodi

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14 comments:

  • posted at 6:05 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    4. Under this bill, the cost of medical care will continue to RISE an average of 1000 a year for a family of four.Related link:Answering Nate Silver’s 20 Questions On Killing The Senate Billhttp://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/answering-nate-silvers-20-questions-on-killing-the-senate-bill/5. The minor detail that it's not constitutional! Congress does not have the authority to enact this legislation, yet they don't seem to care. The people we have elected in both parties recognize no limitation on their power, and it's up to us - all of us - to stop this.Related link:Health Care Bill Will Destroy American Liberty!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6M4uMmkbsAnd here's Shelly to sum it all up:http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=30633

     
  • posted at 6:01 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    Some of the other reasons Americans don't want this version of "health care" are:1. Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income for health insurance - whether you want it or not.Related link:Hardship Waiver And Restrictions On Immigrants Buying Insurance Undercut Arguments For An Individual Mandatehttp://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/hardship-wavier-and-restrictions-on-immigrants-buying-insurance-undercut-arguments-for-an-individual-mandate/2. Many of the taxes that will pay for the bill will start now, but the benefits won't start until 2014. How is that helpful?Related link:Best Way To “Fix It Later” Is With No Individual Mandate Nowhttp://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/17/best-way-to-%E2%80%9Cfix-it-later%E2%80%9D-is-with-no-individual-mandate-now/3. Grants monopolies to drug companies to prevent generic versions of high tech drugs from coming to market. Not sure how that's going to lower costs...Related link:The Devil in Anna Eshoo’s Detailshttp://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/the-devil-in-anna-eshoos-details/(cont)

     
  • posted at 5:55 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    Heinz wrote: "Why are so many others against it when nobody really knows what's included in this bill..."That, Heinz, is **exactly** the problem. Americans were promised transparency and the ability to review **any** bill set to go for a vote for at least 72 hours prior to the vote...that hasn't happened. Not to mention the fact that the 'health care' bill has had more incarnations than I can count...so which health care bill are you talking about?

     
  • posted at 5:33 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    Politians have been getting away with 'talking down' to the people who elected them. They will notice that is going to 'change' soon. The reason they believe that government should take care of everything for the people, is because they THINK we are all 7 years old. You see it every time they are in front of a camera talking down to us.November 2010 can't come quick enough.

     
  • posted at 5:10 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    Oh heinz- I did just notice your last sentence...We are no longer the richest nation in the world unless you are talking about the country with the highest debt and credit card balance! No, it's not Obama's fault that we got in this mess, but is blaming George Bush and the Republicans, while spending trillions more than them , going to fix it? And WHEN the conservatives take over in 2010 I will be watching them too and if they resort to the immature, childish, payback mentality of the Dems in 2009, I will call them on it too. Roland Burris has nothing better to do with his time than to write a cute little poem and read it on the Senate floor- about the republicans trying to be mean to the American people? This is the level to which our leaders have sunk to? It is desoicable the way they are behaving. Absolutely despicable.

     
  • posted at 5:04 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    The bill is so full of pork and it is being passed by the use of coercion, dirty politics, sleaze. If this bill is so great, why all the lying? Why all the secrecy, the voting in the middle of the night- do they really think we are that stupid and won't notice? Yes, they are so arrogant that they do think we are that stupid.Sick of what is going on in OUR government? THERE is an outlet- a local Tea Party group. go to www.lodicitizensinaction.com and sign up for our e-mails. We have monthly local meetings and give you the tools to fight back. Big initiatives coming up in 2010. We need to stay vigilant, informed and educated on the issues.

     
  • posted at 4:04 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    Kota - you're absolutely correct. In addition, we don't know what it will really cost. As I said at 9:34 a.m. today, the CBO can only calculate these bills based on the veracity of the information they receive. Surprisingly, for those who believe health care should be a right, they have no regard as to the price we will all have to pay.Over the past year we've incurred more national debt than the previous 200+ years before. And right around the political corner lies Cap and Trade along with immigration "reform." The mythical global warming issue is ramping up to become one of the most costly items to be foisted upon the American people – and President Obama made that clear when he was running for president! I'm just hopeful that the ridiculous nature of the recent Global Warming meeting in Denmark will have a negative impact on Al Gore and his ilk's desire to milk the American people dry for something we are not only not responsible for, but for something we can do little (if anything) about.It's long past the time for Americans to remain silent as our liberty becomes lost.

     
  • posted at 3:55 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    The biggest problem with the health care proposal is the lack of transparancy. It is not that people don't want it, the problem is that most people fear the unknown and at this point most people don't actually know what it consists of or how it will effect their lives. The citizens of America should have the highest quality health care system in the world. Will they get it, no one knows

     
  • posted at 3:34 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    "Savings from Medicare touted by Democrats as a means to pay for the Senate health care bill was double-counted and the legislation will increase the deficit, not decrease it, a senior Republican senator said Wednesday, citing a new letter from the Congressional Budget Office." (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/23/gop-senator-senate-health-care-increase-federal-deficit/)Oh, I know the left will either ignore this revelation or attempt to discredit it. But even before this came to light today, how can anyone actually believe that something as massive and convoluted as this bill is that it would actually reduce the nation's deficit? Keep in mind the CBO (the so-called "gold standard" for legislative accounting) has to score these things based upon the integrity of the information in it AND the integrity of those who write it.With recent events revealing the chicanery and bribes that were required to bring it to a vote, how can anyone, regardless of political ideology, actually believe anything coming out of Washington? They have no integrity; they have no shame. All the progressives want is Obama to have his little Christmas gift. The real question is what do they expect in return?

     
  • posted at 2:39 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    I just endured Bob Beckel on FoxNews claim that the delays experienced in the passing of this worthless bill was the Republicans' fault. Oh how I wish I could finally agree with him on something. But sadly I can't.Yet he sits there straight-faced while he utters such nonsense that I'm almost inclined to think he actually believes this. Not once did he refer to Landrieu's or Nelson's blackmailing their own party to receive special treatment (bribes) for their states. How long did the House wrangle over the public option amongst Democrats alone?Republicans have no power in Congress. Do they really believe that the American people are that pathetically ignorant to accept such ridiculous claims? I know they "hope" we are; but I've got a good feeling that there will be many surprises in store for them in November 2010. The really sad part of that will be they will truly be surprised.Yet there's little talk regarding what is to come in just a couple weeks. The Senate and House bills need to be merged. In spite of Reid's threat to the House, I doubt they'll go down that easy.

     
  • posted at 2:26 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    Who doesn't recall President H.W. Bush while on the campaign trail in 1988 declaring, "No new taxes!" as the bedrock of his presidency, should he win?Fast-forward to 2008 and candidate Obama enthusiastically promising the same thing over and over again in order to take up residency on Pennsylvania Avenue, should he win. Can anyone forget that?The American people, remembering that promise and how Bush went back on his word, summarily dispatched him in 1992.Let's hope that all Americans remember Obama's now- reneged promise in 2012. And yet this is just one of many failures that this president has racked up in less than one year. The hope and change he promised was as empty as the suit he now wears.And while we're at it, let's start this cleaning of Washington by forcing the House and those in the Senate up for re-election to take real jobs in the real world. It's time for change all right; let's just hope We the People have the courage to enact it ourselves.

     
  • posted at 1:35 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    We have health care for everyone. Just ask any illegal who want to have a kid....This is about freedom and personal responsibility, two topics progressive never want to talk about because they want to control everything. This bill could be the one that breaks the camels back....Nothing lasts forever and it is about time this country resets.

     
  • posted at 1:03 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    I'll give you one of my reasons for not wanting the senate bill. I am an average person, average job, forced to buy a 'cadillac' insurance plan through my union. I have no choice. Now, the senate bill is going to raise premiums on my plan and others like it to pay for the less fortunate. Hello! I'm not one of those 'so called' rich guys. Why am I, working hard to make ends meet, obligated to pay for another family's healthcare? CAN ANYONE ANSWER THAT FOR ME? WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT DEM VS. REP. THERE ARE REAL ISSUES HERE THAT TRANSCEND PARTY LINES!

     
  • posted at 12:09 am on Wed, Dec 23, 2009.

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    Health care for every "citizen" would be fine but obamabutt wants health care for everyone, including illegals. Of course he also plans to legalize all illegals before giving them health care. I have never in my life hated another person, but I do now. And I fear for our futures.

     

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