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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:00 am, Tue Oct 16, 2012.

I want to compliment George Neely in having the courage and character to publicly make a political statement and support legislation (propositions 30 and 38) that he perceives is essential for the wellbeing of Lodi Unified School District.

As an elected school board trustee, that is his responsibility and duty, in my view. He is supposed to have the schools' best interests at heart, and all the people who are associated within its sphere. Other board members are more silent. It is refreshing to hear from one who is willing to risk backlash simply by expressing his opinion.

He asked the public to support propositions 30 and 38, which increase taxes in a state that is taxed more than any other state. I strongly oppose these two propositions, as they are harmful to making California more inviting to business and jobs in our state, as well as to people who already are burdened with sky-high taxes. Other solutions to solve our shrinking tax base should be considered to help the schools.

However, if he decides to run again for the school board, he will get my vote even though I disagree with some positions he holds. We desperately need people like George who do what they do because they have others' best interests at heart, and have the guts to say what they think in public. From a conservative to an objective moderate liberal (my perception), thank you for your service to Lodi, George!

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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22 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:41 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I agree Mr Kinderman. In addition, all government offices throughout California or any other organization that is funded by tax payer's dollars should be scrutinized. Whenever an entity is using other people's money, they tend not to be as careful in how it is spent.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:39 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    I believe there's no doubt that genuine waste and fraud audits within LUSD (and all other school districts) would reveal an enormous amount of money that if spent wisely, would quell the onslaught of demands for higher taxes.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 8:18 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    advocate Posts: 500

    Maybe we could start with burgs like Galt, with a school district for grade school and high school both. Now if that's not double dipping in such a tiny town just to create overpaid jobs for the well connected and have two layers of administration. And double the waste on two sets of administrators. If that doesn't border on fraud, I don't know what does.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:57 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chaney stated... I propose a top down audit of each school district by a real auditor, generic auditors need not apply basis, and see where ALL waste is before any additional funding is given to any of these refuted wasteful school districts, especially in administration with too many duplicate misleading job titles with high salaries.

    I like your idea of evaluating existing structures in all the school districts and determining how to better spend the limited tax revenue that is available... great idea Mr Chaney!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:50 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chaney stated...To be demonized you simply have to state your own opinion on these blogs and the exalted ruler with 8500 snippets will fulfill that need.

    MR. Chaney, please explain what you mean by demonize. I think teachers in general are some of the hardest working people in the country. Teachers are wonderful people who have the responsibility to develop our nation’s most important resource, our children.
    Unfortunately, our state is near bankruptcy and business as usual is not possible. Drastic measures are needed since the voters decided to install the king of unions, Governor Brown, the changes that were needed to increase our tax base would not come to be. Instead, we are still an anti-business state chasing jobs and its tax base with it.
    It is so clear where the funding should come from. Only a liberal would not see the obvious.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 2:42 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    advocate Posts: 500

    To be demonized you simply have to state your own opinion on these blogs and the exalted ruler with 8500 snippets will fulfill that need. So, Mr. Baumbach, where do you propose more school funding come from? I propose a top down audit of each school district by a real auditor, generic auditors need not apply basis, and see where ALL waste is before any additional funding is given to any of these refuted wasteful school districts, especially in administration with too many duplicate misleading job titles with high salaries.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:00 am on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Where else would you suggest that cuts be applied, Mr. Suess?

     
  • Kerry Suess posted at 9:53 am on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    The Knight Romer Posts: 12

    I'm still trying to figure out why whenever there needs to be cuts, it has to come from education, police and fire. Cut out some of the other BS. Teachers and our kids, fire protection and police safety should be priorities, but if we keep taxing business and the people there will be no one left in California to teach or protect. People will move to where the jobs are and it won't be here.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 7:43 am on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Hahahaha........I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but - you're pretty spot on.....[wink]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:39 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Johnston stated...Take a more reasonable payout than the 6%...

    No Jeff, it was a less than a 2% pay cut… pay cut defined as working the same amount of days for less pay. Teachers were given a 7 day unpaid vacation that the union claims is a pay cut. In the real world, that is an absurd position. In addition, if you increase the pay by the value of the health, dental and vision benefits that the district absorbed, the pay cut is even smaller.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:25 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1115

    Jeff, you should of skipped school and joined the Air Force instead.

    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:22 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1115

    Jeff...

    (not Walt -duh)

    [smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1115

    "for their chosen vocation then they had to be stupid"

    Walt...

    You've now officially been lectured.

    After all, you asked for it by admitting you're a pro-union teacher...

    Shame on you for not wanting to give up more of your salary and benefits.

    It's for the children, after all.

    Surely you can dig a little deeper in that bone dry well??

    [wink]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:20 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    As far as money is concerned, haven’t we been throwing it at them from left and right for years? I can remember upon returning from Europe in late 1985 when the State Lottery was being unveiled (the Scratchers at that time) that everyone was all atwitter over the belief that schools would be flooded with extra cash as a result. What a surprise it was when we all learned that for all the money coming from the Lottery, the state allotment was reduced by the same amount. I guess Californians just didn’t read the fine-print.

    Still, throwing money at any problem rarely solves it. It isn’t just the money; it’s how it’s managed that really matters. And there we can still blame ourselves as a result of who we vote for from the State House all the way down to School Boards. Again, it’s “We the People” who are at fault.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:13 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    I know of no teacher within my orbit that is demonized simply because they chose to be a teacher. Their liberal or conservative leanings don’t matter all that much unless what they're teaching in K-12 would be what might be acceptable in post-secondary classrooms.

    As my children were growing up, I expected that it would be I who would be guiding/teaching them about such social/political matters; not teachers with their own agendas hoping to mold young brains of mush into little Obama’s, Pelosi’s or even Reagan’s or Romney’s. Let me decide when and how to approach those subjects.

    The only thing that bothers me with so many teachers nowadays is this notion that they're woefully underpaid and/or that their class sizes are too large. For as long as I can remember it's been no secret that teachers won't get rich by just teaching; they'd have to be lucky enough to write a best-selling novel along the way or strike it rich in Reno or the Lottery in order to enjoy wealth beyond $40K-$60K. If they weren't completely aware of what their salaries would be for their chosen vocation then they had to be stupid.

     
  • Jeff Johnston posted at 5:56 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Jeff Johnston Posts: 8

    Thanks, Walt. No it's all clear!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:19 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1115

    "demonized because I'm a teacher"

    Yes, Jeff, it's true.

    You're in a union and a portion of your dues goes to Democratic candidates and campaigns.

    You're teaching evolution and informing young people about the contributions made by GLBT citizens.

    Your bright students go off to liberal colleges and universities, learn liberal ideas and become liberals themselves in our society.

    They marry and pair off with other liberals and breed even more liberals.

    They mostly become Democrats and vote for Democrats.

    Badda Bing Badda Boom!

    Now you know why, I'm glad I could help.

    [beam]

     
  • Jeff Johnston posted at 3:04 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Jeff Johnston Posts: 8

    Take a more reasonable payout than the 6% we have already taken? Take a 10-15% pay cut. So I should give another $6500-8000 less salary. And give a pension cut. But wait, I'm not eligible for social security. So what is a reasonable salary for teaching the future of our democracy? What security should I have in my retirement? Should it be based on whether the stock market performs well after 35-40 years of public service? Should I be allowed a wage that affords me to buy a house? A car? Raise my children? Or simply be happy that I don't live in a cardboard box behind Costco?

    Where does the line get drawn? And I'm demonized because I'm a teacher!

     
  • Ron Werner posted at 8:19 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Ron Werner Posts: 88

    Go ahead Sacramento, spend all the money you want on things like the bullet train, peripheral canal, expanding MediCal, public service union benefits, then tell the gullible people in California there's no money left for schools (or prisons). The result is definitely going to be less uneducated criminals on the streets.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:49 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    sorry... " business and usual" should have been "business as usual" in last post

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:46 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    If Jeff Johnson and other union representatives were really concerned about education of our children , they would have negotiated a more responsible contract with the school districts with a real 12-15% cut in salary and benefits. Since a vast majority of all funding including propositions 30&38 goes to salary and benefits, this cut needed to take place.

    The unions want business and usual and are pushing these two bills to pass so that in future negotiations, they will not have to make these cuts...

    The voter should decide, if you want the unions to continue their lavish pensions, benefits and salaries that most social security recipients could not possibly match, then vote for these tax increases.

    However, if you are tired of these old scare tactics that our children will suffer if taxes are not increased and think enough is enough as taxes are already extreme, then force the unions to negotiate in good faith and make the cuts now they should have already done, then vote these tax increases down

     
  • Jeff Johnston posted at 7:08 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Jeff Johnston Posts: 8

    Mr. Baumbach is concerned about higher taxes affecting businesses in the state, but I would think a greater concern would be having an educated workforce. If Prop 30 fails, it comes with almost $6 billion in cuts to K-12 education in the state. This includes an allowable reduction to the instructional calendar of a further 15 more days. Kids lose instruction, academics fall further behind other states, and teachers are laid off. Wile nobody likes taxes, we simply cannot afford the damage to our children's education.

     

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