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Posted: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 6:27 am, Mon Oct 18, 2010.

A simple analysis of the News-Sentinel's recent changes reveals some interesting facts. For example, a column on the Op/Ed page that was previously two inches is now one and three-quarters inches.

Since advertisers pay by size for marketing, one of two things needed to have occurred once the change was made. Either the News-Sentinel now relies on some new formula having nothing to do with space, or they raised their rates. I would think most advertisers suffering through these economic times would find it difficult to pay more for less (size DOES matter). Or perhaps the paper's circulation has increased? If so, then why mess with something that is already working well?

I believe the News-Sentinel's owner, publisher and editors are doing everything they can to keep this paper alive. But I would think rather than worry about half an inch of newsprint per page, they might consider paying closer attention to what is contained within those pages.

Now there's nothing wrong with "cub" reporters, but c'mon! Based upon what I read each day, the News-Sentinel might think about wooing a seasoned reporter or two to guide these newbies along as they perfect their craft. A byline is earned through talent, education, experience and an element of luck. A better investment would be in them; not in a slight decrease in the newsprint cost.

There is no such thing as a "Saturday/Sunday" edition of ANY viable newspaper. Receiving a Sunday paper is something many people look forward to even to the extent that it is often the only edition they subscribe for. Considering that the news we receive each morning by our doors has already been ingested and digested through other means (cable, Internet, etc.), pretending that the Saturday edition will tide folks over until Monday makes no sense.

I would also consider publishing the Op/Ed page every day. At least online, those editorials, columns, articles and letters garner far more interest than in any other part of the newspaper. I can't help but believe that advertisers look to the volume of readers even on the online version when considering where to invest their marketing dollars.

Jerome Kinderman

Lodi

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25 comments:

  • Kim Lee posted at 10:41 pm on Fri, Oct 22, 2010.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Doug Chaney @ 9:11 pm on Tue -- I agree.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:33 pm on Fri, Oct 22, 2010.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    You're divorced, right? Nevermind.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:31 pm on Fri, Oct 22, 2010.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Yes, I understand that you do not "get it", Jerome Kinderman. You quickly label others as angry, but it seems to me that it is you that's easily miffed, evidenced by your reactions here when challenged.

    You said, "...it is my decided opinion that Ms. Bobin is a very angry lady who for whatever reason doesn't like me very much (or worse, I’m back in 1st grade and she really, really likes me, but doesn’t know the best way to express herself)."

    You obviously meant that comment to be dismissive and belittling. That was indeed disrespectful.

    Oh, and you may address me as Kim Lee, not Ms. Lee.

    And I was right. You are a single man.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:04 pm on Fri, Oct 22, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    I suppose that was intended to be funny, but frankly I don't get it. But it seems that what you are stating in your third paragraph is that simply because a woman is just that - a woman - a man is out of line to bring her anger to her attention. That doesn't say much about women in general does it, Ms. Lee? And since when is identifying anyone as angry disrespectful (my opinion based upon her offerings here as a whole)?

    In any event, you previously made a claim that I was "…a big supporter of the forum changes," yet you failed to offer any proof to support that contention (Kim Lee's post at 1:54 p.m. on Monday, October 18, 2010). Wasn’t your accusation intended to frame me as hypocritical or was that also meant to be funny? Care to share now?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:40 am on Fri, Oct 22, 2010.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    I think Jerome Kinderman is a single man.

    That's called a "joke", Jerome Kinderman.

    In my opinion, a wise man does not dismiss the views of a woman, by telling her she's an angry woman, just because he cannot come up with a respectful response to refute her views.

    Anyway, to address the question at the top of this letter... No, the changes to these forums by the LNS were not a good idea. As a direct result of the changes there are now only a handful of responses here, and obviously only a handful of hits to these forum pages now. Why would a paper make such a choice resulting in a huge reduction in hits, and readers, to their online paper? It seems unusual, as many papers across the country are trying hard to increase their readership.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:54 am on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    And one more thing Mr. Baumbach, I certainly do not believe Ms. Bobin to be a "complete idiot." Such a notion would supply her with an excuse for the things she offers here.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:48 am on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Mr. Baumbach, in my effort to prove Ms. Bobin correct on one item she posted about Wade Heath at 7:29 p.m. on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 where she insists that "Mr. Heath, however, had the habit of stating opinion that was not backed by any shred of evidence other than his ever popular ‘I heard while standing in line at the store that...’” my fact-checking revealed no such phrase contained within the 11 columns at my disposal nor in any article by anyone else through the use of the advanced search engine for the entire Lodi News-Sentinel.

    Could I have misunderstood or misinterpreted Ms. Bobin’s comment? Let’s see – her use of the words “HIS ever popular” (emphasis added) has me believe that she couldn’t have been generalizing here and her quotes around the phrase “I heard while standing in line at the store that...” also seems to clearly suggest that these are (were) the precise words that he used. Yet my search revealed nothing: zero, zip, nada.

    Now I hope someone can help me out here. Why would Ms. Bobin (or anyone else for that matter) make such an accusation about someone when with a minimal amount of effort it could be either verified or disproved? For the life of me I cannot wrap my mind around such aberrant behavior.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:31 am on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Doug Chaney posted at 9:16 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.
    Posts: 75 Darrell, another memory lapse tonight

    Forgive me Doug, I’m getting old and forget things at times. Please remind of what I am forgetting...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:27 am on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jerome, you are very polite and reserved when referring to Ms Bopin as " angry".
    That’s like calling a maniac in a fit "slightly miffed". In addition, I do not think for a minute you belief that she is a complete idiot, but its possible the rest of Lodi does.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:42 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Mr. Chaney, you might want to refresh yourself with your own words. Where do the words, "seemingly referring to the master being a paid blogger" appear in your posting at issue (or anywhere else)? The only words that come close are "paid blogger." Or did you really think I wouldn’t refresh myself with what you and I both wrote in this regard?

    The whole notion of opinions is they're backed up by at least a small element of fact or truth. There was never any proof provided that I was ever paid anything for what I've written to or for this newspaper. There’s only one reason for that – I never was. Your insistence that I was a “paid blogger” (hardly an opinion) reveals someone who just makes things up out of whole cloth - for what reason I'm not quite sure.

    You should also understand that for the most part, this forum addresses itself to political matters. Now, if that’s a problem for you then I would advise you to look elsewhere for whatever other form of discussions you desire.

    Because of your obvious lack of intellectual integrity, I'll refrain from conversing with you from this point forward. I have no time for such childishness.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:16 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Darrell, another memory lapse tonight? Or just stammering? LOL

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:14 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    There you go mr. artificial intelligence, lodisafeway, and your uncounted number of toher aka's. Didn't I say seemingly referring to the master being a paid blogger? Aren't I , nor anyone else, entitled to an opinion in your little dreamworld?

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:11 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Kim, to me it's the dullards that make every issue political, one-sided views, of course. And trying to leave others merely feeling insulted or dissed. Naivete and artificial intelligence at its best.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:22 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Now I could be way off base here, but it is my decided opinion that Ms. Bobin is a very angry lady who for whatever reason doesn't like me very much (or worse, I’m back in 1st grade and she really, really likes me, but doesn’t know the best way to express herself). I’ll stick with the former and advise her to consider trying to control her passions a little better; they will be her undoing. (Paraphrased dialogue between Mr. Spock and Dr. McCoy, “The Wrath of Khan”)

    Still, she does bring an element of entertainment to this forum.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:29 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Despite the fact that Mr. Kinderman holds the firm belief that I am a complete idiot as he has implied time and time again, I do know the difference between a columnist and a reporter.

    Perhaps it was the analogy I was making between a "cub reporter" and a "cub columnist" that has him flummoxed. Both, presumably, have an interest in journalism and should report and opine using established journalistic principles. Mr. Heath, however, had the habit of stating opinion that was not backed by any shred of evidence other than his ever popular "I heard while standing in line at the store that..."

    At least Mr. Guzzardi, for example, states opinion and then follows up by stating, "and this is why I think this way..." except perhaps in his now famous "Lodi stinks since I left" column in which he provides nothing but nebulous personal observations that only proved him to be the bigot that he is.

    Mr. Kinderman, however, does not really have a beef with the LNS "cub" reporters so much as a problem with the LNS as a whole. The following comment, posted on September 25th at 7:07AM states:

    "Mr. Hanner, I'm a bit perplexed that you found it necessary to write this opinion. But since it's your newspaper, you can do whatever you want. But you should also be very careful about what YOU write as well. First, perhaps a primer on just what an Op/Ed page is for might be in order (without the example of anyone’s work, as you did here).

    Now back to your column. You wrote, "I did, however, wince a little when I initially read the column. That's because we've published many letters in recent weeks from readers who are adamantly anti-immigration."

    You either don't proof-read your work or you are completely out of touch with what is going on around you."

    Now, I am making a guess that Mr. Hanner has been both a reporter as well as an editor and, presumably, is quite experienced. But Mr. Kinderman feels he must school him in the journalistic arts. This certainly smacks of a complete disdain for the Editor and, with his most recent submission above, the LNS as a whole.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:25 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Now it's just dead. It's really too bad.

    I agree Kim, when people provide unsubstantiated statements, it is boring . I hope you liven things up and lead by example. It is only dead if that is what you prefer it to be.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:24 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Now it's just dead. It's really too bad.

    I agree Kim, when people provide unsubstantiated statements, it is boring . I hope you liven things up and lead by example. It is only dead if that is what you prefer it to be.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:42 am on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Mr. Chaney, those who felt driven away from contributing to this forum were hardly the result of anything lodisafeway, girard74 or I have written or done. No, it was those who were successful in making them believe that by posting with their true names they would be harmed in so many terrible ways who are to blame.

    Now maybe those things did occur, but I haven't read anything in this "news"paper about anyone being stalked, fired or otherwise damaged because of this change in policy. While I also am disappointed at the lack of civil yet spirited debate from all sides that many of us enjoyed before the change was made, it was seven to ten specific bloggers who forced the editors to make the change in the first place.

    An example (albeit a mild one) of such unreasonable discourse can be found in your post at 10:49 p.m. on October 18th. For the record, I have never been paid one thin dime for anything I’ve ever written that was either printed or published in the Lodi News-Sentinel; not even a penny. So before you dredged that old argument out of the archives again, might I advise you to stick with the facts – unsubstantiated accusations only serve to make you appear foolish.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:28 pm on Mon, Oct 18, 2010.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Doug Chaney: It's really unfortunate that these blogs are of such low interest (or even zero interest!) now to most people that used to check in daily. This used to be quite the happening place with all kinds of viewpoints. Now it's just dead. It's really too bad.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:49 pm on Mon, Oct 18, 2010.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Ms. Bobin, perhaps the infamous lodisafeway has been cut from the paid bloggers that have now driven all others off the Sentinel blogs with the exception of the half dozen or so objectionists that pat one another on the back.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:49 pm on Mon, Oct 18, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Perhaps Ms. Bobin doesn’t fully grasp the distinction between a columnist and a reporter. There was an actual reason why I specifically addressed the matter of “reporters” thereby excluding “columnists.” As for my dogged defense of Wade Heath, I fail to see that. I would think that because I tend to agree more with him and his take on certain issues (of which Ms. Bobin is usually on the opposite side) as opposed to other columnists such as Cynthia Neely, this is where she might draw such a conclusion. But as far as me attacking anyone or anything, again Ms. Bobin seems driven more by her dislike for me than any desire for a rational discussion of the contents of my letter to the editor or anything else that has my name affixed to it. Of course she’s free to make her opinions known as long as she remains civil.

    On the other hand, since the News-Sentinel’s editor actually requested from its readers to provide our opinion about the latest changes, is Ms. Bobin suggesting that only those with a wholly positive opinion should take them up on their kind offer? Now how would that give the owner, publisher and editors of the News-Sentinel any real idea as to what we actually think; or does she believe they weren’t being serious? After all, this is the Opinion page, isn’t it? Hang on, let me check . . . yup – I just looked and that’s what it says at the top of the page.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:57 pm on Mon, Oct 18, 2010.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "With the light-speed advances in data exchange through the Internet and cable news outlets, how much of what we receive on our stoops or driveways each morning is actually "new?"

    I think that Mr. Kinderman is under the impression that the LNS is (or should be) a major newspaper like the San Francisco Chronicle or the LA Times or the NY Times, or, on a lesser degree, the Record or the Sac Bee. The LNS has always (at least while I have worked/lived in Lodi for the past 33 years) been the mouthpiece of our local community. News that can be found nowhere else (even in the Record) can be found in the LNS. When I first came to Lodi in 1977, I learned from co-workers that the LNS only published what the "powers-that-be" wanted published. I have seen that gradually progress to a much more wider (Mr. Kinderman would no doubt call it a more "progressive") audience appeal with the right leaning opinions toned down quite a bit.

    As for Mr. Kinderman's complaint about the "cub" reporters, as he calls them, I find this most disturbing, because Mr. Kinderman has doggedly defended the opinion columns of Mr. Heath which, thankfully, we have not been subjected to for several weeks. That gentleman's lack of journalistic expertise shines in comparison to any of the regular reporters. I can only wonder what has caused Mr. Kinderman to attack the LNS in such a manner. I wonder...........

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:50 pm on Mon, Oct 18, 2010.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Actually Ms. Lee, I was not in favor of the forum changes. I was, however very supportive of them simply enforcing the rules already in place. In fact, when I made that suggestion while they were mulling over the idea of making the most conspicuous change of all - to require everyone to use their actual name when posting a comment - I was told in no uncertain terms by a high-level employee of the LNS that they "weren't interested" in doing that.

    To answer your other questions as to "why" they made these changes - well, I really don't know; perhaps that’s why I took them up on their offer to provide my opinion regarding this very thing. It could be that they actually want the paper to fail. It's no secret that newsprint editions of daily papers are in big trouble. With the light-speed advances in data exchange through the Internet and cable news outlets, how much of what we receive on our stoops or driveways each morning is actually "new?" By reducing interest in their newspaper (and thereby reducing the interest of advertisers to buy space), maybe the tax advantages are greater than if they simply let the thing die its natural death.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 1:54 pm on Mon, Oct 18, 2010.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Jerome Kinderman said, "At least online, those editorials, columns, articles and letters garner far more interest than in any other part of the newspaper. I can't help but believe that advertisers look to the volume of readers even on the online version when considering where to invest their marketing dollars."


    Jerome Kinderman: Then why did the LNS make such drastic changes that were not for the better of their online newspaper? The interest here has reduced dramatically on these forums. It sounds like you miss the good old days when these online forums were buzzing with responses all day long. It was much more interesting to read the responses when there were a lot of people, of differing opinions, logging on to join the conversation. Now the online traffic is just a mere drop in the bucket, unfortunately. Too bad the LNS decided on the forum changes, as I believe it has only hurt their bottom line. But, like you say, it's their paper. No need to listen to us readers, and what we enjoy from a paper, right? Weren't you a big supporter of the forum changes, Jerome?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:39 am on Mon, Oct 18, 2010.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    For some reason I think it was not ironic that the LNS chose to publish both Mr. Hutchins' and Mr. Kinderman's letters on the same day!

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "But I would think rather than worry about half an inch of newsprint per page,..." Now, WHO is worried about 1/2 inch?

    My true puzzlement with recent letters and comments from Mr. Kinderman is that he is now biting the hand that used to feed his obsessive "Letters to the Editor" habit...Hmmm.

     

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