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Posted: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:30 am, Mon May 14, 2012.

Mitt Romney claims he was successful in business and created thousands of jobs. In reality, he was a mere loan shark.

When Mitt and Bain Capital bought lucrative companies, the first to go were good-paying jobs — replaced with wage-slave jobs. One can excuse these executives for their greed, as today this is the corporate role model while the U.S. enters the dark ages.

Our stomachs, however, must turn at this hypocrite for the callus remarks he made after the Afghan carnage. His words must never be forgotten or forgiven. Sergeant Bales went on a killing spree, murdering many families as they slept in their homes. Obama, to his credit, apologized to the Afghan people. This was the proper protocol even though the apology in and of itself was phony. Romney immediately criticized Obama, stating that "America need not apologize for anything" because America is the greatest nation on earth. First and foremost this nation was the land of opportunity, and for some time we've had freedoms and liberties but let's not get stupid — we're not that great, and we have a lot to apologize for.

Romney, leave your bourgeois comfort zone — go to the black community and repeat your phrase. Our own Constitution legally enslaved the blacks and classified them as 3/5ths of a person. Visit a reservation and repeat this mantra again to the Native Americans. White America depopulated 2/3rds of them in the most grizzly manner. Do the same with the Chinese and other ethnicities who were treated less than human in our not-so-very-distant past. Last but not least, continue with your elitist patriotism to the Japanese, whom our government placed in internment camps.

Oh Mr. Romney, do go to New Orleans and tell the Katrina victims how great we are. Your friends George W. Bush and FEMA were so insensitive and incompetent that they didn't even pick up the dead from the streets, but left them were they laid, bloating for weeks for the entire world to see — shame.

If Mitt Romney is elected, with the way he thinks, the ramifications are going to be horrifying. Few will prosper, many will not. Be not fooled by his angelic appearance, as beneath his skin there may lie a demon.

Adam Dados

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81 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:50 pm on Mon, May 21, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    Ms Welch...you ARE doing something...you are speaking up...so, keep it up. I worry about your child's future as well. I am also worried about my elders future and ours as well. More government is not the answer. Don't feel like you are alone out there...we are with you. My grandmother used to say: Before you can fix a problem you have to get up some gumption because someone is ALWAYS going to tell you something dumb.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 7:35 am on Mon, May 21, 2012.

    Lodi 1970 Posts: 85

    Patrick,
    You are absolutely correct, and I so agree with you. I am so worried about my young daughter's future. I just wish someone had the answers to getting us out of this mess. And, I wish politicians would start doing the right thing for a change, instead of just pandering for votes. Resentment--you betcha!!!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:43 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    Ms Welch: You are correct. However, the original SS system was NOT to be used to pay for JFK and LBJ's View Nam war or for LBJ's "Great Society" giveaways. LBJ opened the box to the bozo's (both parties) and now the elderly are suffering for it.

    Imagine...$12 Trillion...what did we get...carp. Just think how well our mothers and fathers could be living now had the "SS saving account" NOT been opened.

    The politicians then did as they do now...spend for votes...dang the torpedoes. Our children and grandchildren will have a much smaller view of us in the future when they realize the idiots today are taking part of their paycheck then to pay for us now.

    The kids of tomorrow will not remember who these morons today are...any more than we do the ones of the past...they will know however, how much it is costing them and their families. Resentment anyone?

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:08 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Lodi 1970 Posts: 85

    Darrell,

    Social Security and Medicare are indeed entitlement programs, and as such spending on these programs is a mandatory obligation on taxpayers. However, welfare (TANF) and section 8 housing subsidies, and K-12 public education are not entitlements. Being discretionary spending items, either party could cut these benefits as they see fit.

    Social Security and Medicare are indeed products of the Democrats, but other expensive social welfare programs have been initiated by Republicans as well--section 8 was expanded under Nixon, K-12 education was a product of the Progressive era, when Republicans (other than Wilson) dominated.

    To be fair, I think Kevin's point about both parties hurting the SS system is legitimate. Both parties need to get spending under control.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:02 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    Mr Dados: Did you mean tyrannosaurus? That would seem to be more apropos. Rex would be happy to see a return to the future...where have I heard that before??

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:17 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    mrb: FDR (in case you didn't know was a Democrat) is the first president to station troops overseas as guardians for the countries. The reasoning was the same then as it is today...to keep the wars from flaring up and people from killing each other until their socities began to work under the new regime. We did not do that after WWI so WWII showed up. Read your history.

    DB and GM are correct about the $12T, LBJ and the Great Society...where has that gotten us? Not very far. In fact it is the number one cause of the elderly having to live in such dire straits. Read your history.

    Then we have Jimmy Carter, Billy (Iwantbackinthewhitehouse) Clinton, Dodddud/FudgieFrank, Obcare and now BO...let me give the store away. Democrats are very generous with my money...Republicans are very stingy with my money...hmmmm...why can't I give away MY money MYSELF???

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:32 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mike, you do know that millions of people have the same opinion as Gary and that social programs providing the bare minimum to get by is a form of enslavement... One can agree or disagree with that concept, but it is not "off the handle" thinking in any way.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:41 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Eric: as per your post at 4:57 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Gary is prone to flying off the handle, parrotting what here hears on talk radio.
    He doesn't mean anything by it. After a while he comes to his senses. I think he's on some sort of cycle or something.

    He can be reasonable once he gets past the hyperbole.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:43 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Eric Barrow stated... Unless you consider the defense budget. At 711 billion a year ...as if only republicans and conservatives support the military budget...

    There are 32 military bases in California that California Democrat politicians work hard to keep in our state. To assign military budget to only conservatives and Republicans is absurd.

    according to politico.com...

    Now, it will be up to a Democratic president to rebuild a military that has been pushed to the breaking point by a Republican. President-elect Obama will rebuild the military for the 21st Century by increasing the size of the Marine Corps and Army; restoring the readiness of the National Guard and Reserves; and fully equipping service members for the missions they face.
    It has been Democrats who have fought to expand health benefits for veterans, improve access to health care for reservists, and cut through the red tape at the VA.
    The success of Democratic veteran candidates has reinforced this trend. This new generation of leaders is making its mark on the Democratic Party and changing the conventional wisdom on political support among veterans and military voters.

    To compare the budget of the military to who brought us back breaking social programs that is bankrupting our economy is only something a biased liberal would think to do. The democrats love military spending as it brings jobs to the states like California that so desperately need them...in fact, the democrats in California would fight hard to keep spending military money in California.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:50 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Unless you consider the defense budget. At 711 billion a year thats more than China, Russia, UK, France, Japan, Saudi Arabia, India Germany, Brazil, Italy, South Korea, Australia, Canada and Turkey combined. Those countries listed in order as the rest of the top military spenders. We are currently in friendly relationships with all of those countries. So we spend as much on defense as the next top 15 country's militaries and we are probably not going to war against any of them. There is some sound conservative logic for you.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:15 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Kevin,if you know, which party is responsible for most the entitlement programs like social security, medicare, welfare,section 8 housing, guaranteed education through public schools,etc... I thought the democrats took credit for establishing these obligations to the tax payer.
    I then understand that unions, who drive up the cost to the tax payer,are supported by the democrats.

    I see you are trying to be balanced and fair, but to be fair, I do believe the democrats are responsible for much more of our obligations.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 4:45 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Let's be fair. Both parties have spent a lot more than brought in. Dems and Reps have both hurt the SS system. And both parties are a reason why we need a retirement program that is outside the governments reach.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:49 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    Great post Gary Musto! LBJ opened the doors to the Social Security System's pool of money to both the Viet Nam war and the "Great Society"...and as you stated $12 Trillion later what have we gotten for our money? Old people living a meager existence because the fund was raped, pillaged and plundered by the Spend-it-All Democrats that ran the country for decades after (using the funds to buy votes).

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:44 am on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 504

    We have spent close to $12 trillion dollars fighting the "war on poverty" how's that working out for us?? We increase the amounts of ammunition to fight this war every year and those living in poverty can not make any headway towards a better life.

    I didn't come up with those ideas out of thin air, Travis Smiley, author and black historian, "Obama has not focused on African-American needs... post-racial society is a myth." "African-Americans are in dire straights and languish at the bottom of most social-economic scales."

    Laura S. Washington writes for the Chicago-Sun Times, "Obama promise of "change" set high expectations." "American's, particularly black Americans were looking to the first black in the White House to make things better. Instead, they got worse."

    Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson writes in his book entitled SCAM, "How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America." Talks about how Rev. Jesse Jackson has made millions off his efforts to extort businesses but it does not help change the black community for the better.

    Mychal Massie, Chairman of the National Leadership Network of Black Conservatives, asks a fellow colleague to name 10 things Jesse Jackson has done for blacks!

    Bill Cosby, "We Cannot Blame the White People Any Longer."

    "You Tube" Bill Cosby on meet the press in 2007, promoting his book, "Come on People: On the path from Victim to Victors."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:48 am on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403


    Thank you Ms Bobin! K Lee so often refers to you as an authority on the right answers to topics as she cannot articulate what she thinks as you can.

    Interesting that the only example you came up with was fictional and had no basis in reality.
    When I asked for examples, I was hoping for something concrete where the actual posts were illustrated... instead, just the rant of a person who sees bigots around every corner...

    I do thank you for your concern for my sanity though. It is so comforting to know there are people like you who sincerely care for my welfare. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:58 am on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    I see you are still tripping over the fact that you said it is ok to make things up and try to pass it off as a direct quote from a canidate.

    And not thjat it matters but I have said repeatedly that I am a Conservative Libertarian which means Ron Paul is NOT my canidateseeing as he is a REPUBLICAN but rather as of a couple weeks ago Gary Johnson became our canidate. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

    For someone who claims I have a problem with words you certainly seem to have issues with them yourself. Maybe you should work on the plank in your own eye first.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:48 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1182

    Thank you Eric good point

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:37 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Sorry bad habits die hard I should have said freshman tea party congressman

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:13 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    When Ms. Neely associated Sharia Law with republicans treatment of women you cried foul but you have no problem with the freshman tea bag congressman accusing dems of slavery your hypocrisy is remarkable and evident

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:10 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Examples?

    Only Mr. Baumbach, who keeps tabs on the comments made in this forum and compiles them in little folders on his computer's desktop, and has claimed falsely that I am the only one he keeps files on, can give examples.

    Please, Mr. Baumbach, for your own sanity, please seek help for your mental affliction!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:05 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    I think that you are making an assumption that has not been proven, Mr. Paglia.

    You are so desperate to show that someone has disparaged your candidate, Oh, that's right, your candidate is Ron Paul!!!

    You have a severe lack of understanding of words. I cannot stress that enough.

    Work on it.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:57 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Read your posts

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:13 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Actually, I do not think Gary's statement is off base at all...it is all in the definition of enslavement.

    There are some people who feel welfare is a form of enslavement.... for example...
    Freshman Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) praised the Republican Party for consistently fighting for individual freedom over the last 150 years, and criticized Democrats for pursuing "handouts" to the less fortunate that he said are a modern form of slavery.

    Gary is not talking about slavery during the days of Lincoln obviously. Democrats are compassionate and would not participate in that intentionally. . He is saying that poor communities are not best served through the government controlling their lives, but through empowerment and the belief they can help themselves.

    I am confused why Gary's intent seems bizarre to anyone. Maybe I am wrong but I do not think so...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:58 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    can you give me some examples k Lee?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:56 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Kevin.. that is exactly how I interpreted your intent. Thank you for making it clear.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:43 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1796

    So did the "smiley face" replace your usual "chuckle" ?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 5:55 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    K... I agree best description of Darrell I've seen

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 5:11 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Steve and Joanne: I agree.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:09 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1796

    "Silence on any topic does not mean approval."
    Unless YOU can use it to "extrapolate" idiotic conclusions.
    Remember your words, I have a feeling they are going to come back and bite you in your .......

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 5:09 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Well said, Eric.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 5:07 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

    You just described yourself. :-)

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 5:05 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    I'm with you Eric. This is a bizarre and oblivious to reality statement made by Gary.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:57 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Gary stated... "The Democrat party has enslaved the African American people for decades" Where do you get this stuff not only is that an offensive statement considering US history but also if we start with Johnson, who helped bring about civil rights, the Dems have had complete control of Congress for less than ten years thats nine years out of about fifty. So how did the Dems “enslaved African American people for decades"?

    The Dems have had about 80% of the black vote since 64 are you suggesting that African Americans support a party that has kept them down for decades? I know Rush “does the thinking so you don’t have to” but maybe you should try thinking for yourself.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 4:52 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    I still notice that MsB still thinks it is ok that someone lied about Romney but anyone that has been here any amount of time knows that in the same situation reversed to Obama she would be screaming foul as was seen in her response against Mr Wade recently.

    So MsB, why is it ok to lie about Romney but NOT about Obama? Why do you have two different standards for the two people?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 4:42 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Actually my ANALOGY of using extrapolation in a court of law was purely intended to demonstrate how rediculous it is to use extrapolation as a means assign a statement to someone.

    a·nal·o·gy

    1.comparison: a comparison between two things that are similar in some way, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand

    I can understand your confusion though considering you think lying about what people say as perfectly justifiable if you don't lke them. Dados NEVER said is was a paraphrase or recalled statement from Romney. He said "Romney immediately criticized Obama, stating that "America need not apologize for anything". This was in direct referance to the killing spree of a US solier. By assigning quotation marks around the statement Dados was directly assigning the statement to Romney.

    You told me to "Learn how words are used". Maybe you should learn the same.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:10 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    And this has to do with WHAT?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:08 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Kevin, I have never seen anyone expose Ms Bobin for distorting reality more clearly than than this. I know you are simply trying to seek truth. It is, however, not obvious what Bobin is seeking."

    Obviously, Mr. Baumbach, you lost track of this thread way back when Mr. Paglia turned what Mr. Dados most likely "recalled" and used as a quote from Romney, into using "extrapolation" as part of our justice system. Either he has no clue how the law works, or he is just being stupid for fun.

    I don't know which one of you has made the more ridiculous statement - my money is on Mr. Paglia with Mr. Baumbach panting in the background. Either way, I feel sorry for you both for sounding ignorant.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 3:48 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 504

    Everyone is screaming about JP Morgan losing $2 billion dollars, politicians want more laws passed, but Obama said it was one of the "best run banks" around, why the change, he's always attacking those "greedy, evil bankers???"

    Michelle and Barack have over $500,000 invested with JP Morgan.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:42 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    mrm: if you want respect you should try giving respect. Your constant name calling is met with more name calling and this somehow upsets and surprises you.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:05 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    Mr Dados: "When Mitt and Bain Capital bought lucrative companies..." See below...they did not nor do they buy LUCRATIVE businesses...private equity investor companies buy middle of the road or nearly failing companies...then bring the back to profitability so they can be sold. ...at a profit.

    WSJ: Borrowed "During the 1980s, Wall Street and big finance embarked in a new direction with corporate America. The old America — in which investors bought shares of company stock or snapped up corporate bonds with buy-and-hold strategies — began giving way to a new era of finance. A driver of this shift, surprisingly, was under-funded pension plans, according to Blaydon, the Dartmouth professor.
    In order to ensure that workers got the retirement money they'd been promised, the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 was passed, and by the 1980s that forced companies to set aside pools of capital to fund promised pensions. Pension fund managers hungry for returns began to grow the earnings of retirees and pushed for changes in laws to allow investment in riskier assets. This helped give capital to the nascent private-equity and venture capital industries.
    Venture capitalists provide money to startup businesses that have attractive ideas but not enough money. These investors were vital to the creation of California's Silicon Valley and the tech boom that changed our lives over the past two decades.
    Private equity firms invest in existing companies that are under-performing and reshape them in hopes of making them more profitable. Sometimes they shed employees to achieve that. If the companies succeed, they add workers later."

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:00 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    msb: You are quickly catching up with mrl.

    Greenbaggers...the EPA

    Stevie: Stop with the T-B stuff...I am losing my affection for you and your humor.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:56 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    KP: I would say that most of the people posting here do not know what a private equity investor is or does. Or even how it works.

    1 You and I want to make some money..

    2 We don't have enough money to we find private investors, like pension funds (teachers, unions, STRS), endowments, foundations.

    3 Other investors are found...banks they put up a small amount and the investors hold the note.

    4 A purchasable company is found and bought

    5 Buyout is held 3-5 years and made profitable and then sold

    6 FUND EXITS INVESTMENT...PROFITS ARE RETURNED TO FUND AND THEN SHARED BY INVESTORS AND THE FIRM.

    Investors?? You mean like people who put their money at risk and then made a profit off of it? You mean like the Teacher's pension fund, firefighter's pension fund, like the AFL/CIO pension funds? The "little people's" pension funds??? Bad people!!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:42 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1796

    Joanne, about as asinine as when you made an ignorant attempt to prove a point using "extrapolation".
    And about as "assinine" as your spelling of asinine, learn to spell.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 2:38 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 504

    The Democrat party has enslaved the African American people for decades, they have been kept in the most run down public housing, have to attend the most low rated schools all while dodging violent drug dealers and thugs. This is how compassionate Democrats "feel your pain."

    The only time you see any liberal politician leave their "comfort zone" to listen to what is needed in the African American community is during an election when they are asked to go and vote a straight Democrat ticket.

    Have to feel sorry for Adam, he seems to be stuck in a time warp, needing to bring up Bush, Katrina, FEMA, and the American Indians in hopes of denouncing America, it won't work, million have braved horrible conditions, some have even died in an attempt just to make it here.

    Notice how you hardly ever hear some one like Adam tell you how fed up he or she is with the USA and is thinking of moving to Cuba, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, or Yemen??

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:18 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Kevin stated...Can you imagine a legal system where the justice system can say "well, based on previous behavior and statements we think you might do this so we are going to punish you for it now... as a response to Ms Bobin stating... It is called "extrapolation."

    Kevin, I have never seen anyone expose Ms Bobin for distorting reality more clearly than than this. I know you are simply trying to seek truth. It is, however, not obvious what Bobin is seeking.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:10 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    I'm beginning to get the idea that a certain commentor has come out from the shadow of an organization that used to be quite prominent in this town and has donned the "tea bag' as a cover for their conspiracy theories and bigotry.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:03 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Newt Gingrich plowed this field for the Democrats. He did all their work. Are you saying, Ms. Parigoris, that Newt was lying?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:02 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Paglia wrote: "I wonder if Ms Bobin would be satisfied to allow the standard of "extrapolation" to be used in a court of law?

    Can you imagine a legal system where the justice system can say "well, based on previous behavior and statements we think you might do this so we are going to punish you for it now."?

    This is how the extreme right-wingers in this forum think. They take something that was most likely a paraphrase and now they are discussing the use of "extrapolation" as a means of determining someone's guilt in court.

    How assinine is that?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:58 pm on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Your so-called comparison doesn't make sense, Mr. Baxter. Silence on any topic does not mean approval.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:24 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    " the idea is to learn from the past. Use it to your best advantage and apply it to the present to "

    I agree that's why it's so important to look into the past beyond Obama’s years in office as the right's idealogy has not changed. We simply can’t afford to give the worshopers of Reaganomincs more examples of how flawed there economic policies are. Especially now that we are seeing an improvement in the economy. The right seems unable to learn from the past so our only hope is to simply keep power away from them.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:42 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Kim... Steve is simply having fun. He really does not care about any issue... Steve is by anyone's account, an internet troll...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

    In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:37 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    You got it all wrong Eric... the idea is to learn from the past. Use it to your best advantage and apply it to the present to make a better future...

    So now, Obama is our past and present... we have three years past... we have to be concerned with the future... the next president will much more influence on the future than anything a previous president has already done.

    Please exercise some common sense. Bush is simply the left's Boogie man that they use to scare and motivate its sheeple. Bush is politically dead.

    Lets get constructive and productive...lets focus on reality and look closely on Obama's record and what he has done. Bush is not running, Romney and Obama are.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:13 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1796

    Obama never denounced the reprehensible acts of the New Black Panthers nor has he denounced the sale of arms to Mexican Cartels by Eric Holder that resulted in the death of a US Border Patrol Officer so by "extrapolation" he must approve or does that theory only work against Conservatives?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:08 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    "And please don't bore us all with Bush's National Guard records, etc. It is past history- this is NOW."

    Many on the right would like us to forget the past as if it is irrelevant I suppose, as the saying goes, so they can then repeat it.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:35 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2238

    Kim, your posts are immature and crass. They deserve nothing better than the term "birtherbagger" which fits them perfectly. Presidents have never released their academic records(although w's were leaked without his permission). Why should Obama submit to a further invasion of his privacy now?

    I have no need to know how Obama or Romney scored in English 1A.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 4:43 am on Tue, May 15, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 469

    Steve Schmidt- Why do you have to tie everything in to Teabagger,or birthbagger? Terms which are as immature and crass as one can get. Show me Obama's academic records- PLEASE! Is wanting to know more about his past wrong? Our President is one of the most powerful men in the world, privy to all of our national security, Commander in Chief of our military, and we can't even see his academic records? And on a hot mic he tells a diplomat from a dictator regime that he will have more "flexibility" after the election, to negotiate. Joke was on him because Putin isn;t even attending his G-8 summit- he probably knows what a fool Obama is. They would probably have to hold the summit in the Astor Dome to fit those 2 big arrogant heads in the same summit at one time. You don;t find that to be just a tad strange? And please don't bore us all with Bush's National Guard records, etc. It is past history- this is NOW. The bottom line is no matter who's fault it is that we are in this mess, if Obama can't fix it, then let's get someone that can. Someone that has some experience in more than community organizing.

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 11:55 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 382

    When will you folks learn to simply ignore Adam's rants. He is not mentally stable.

    Ms Bobin's first post brings up a good point. George W, Clinton, Obama, Mitt...

    The political party system is broken. Badly. The problem is that the far right and far left are the ones who actually give money to candidates,who are also from the same far left & right. This leaves the majority of us in the middle with NO real candidate.

    These two choices are just as bad as the candidates we get for the Lodi City Council.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:09 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2238

    Kim, I always assumed you were too smart to meander down the birtherbagger path. I guess I was wrong.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 7:56 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 469

    At least we have a past to look at with Romney ::)
    We don;t know anything about Obama- no proof of where he went to school, what he studied, no real work experience, his father and mother very shadowy.
    I am a lot more worried about what Obama does with MY money, than I am about what Romney did with HIS money.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 7:41 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 469


    Sorry Romney bashers- our President is twisting the truth again...
    The Obama campaign is out with a new two-minute attack ad, hitting Mitt Romney on his past at Bain Capital. The ad, set to run in Pennsylvania, Iowa, Ohio, Virginia and Colorado, plays up the “vulture capitalism” angle. “It was like a vampire,” says a former GS Steel worker named Joe Cobb. “They came in and sucked the life out of us.”
    The Romney campaign is expected to push back aggressively on what they view as a major distraction from the president’s disastrous economic record. It shouldn’t be terribly hard. The bankruptcy and layoffs occurred in 2001, two years after Romney quit running the day-to-day activities of Bain (in order to head the Salt Lake City Olympics.)
    Much of this line of attack has already been debunked by, of all outlets, the Washington Post.
    On May 4, in response to a similar attack, the Post wrote:
    Notice a problem with the last two examples? The outsourcing occurred in 2000 and 2001. Romney left Bain in early 1999. We’ve gone over this problem with the Obama campaign before, awarding three Pinocchios to a January memo the team released blaming Romney for job losses and bad deals that took place after the former executive had stopped working for Bain.
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/14/obamas-already-debunked-attack-ad-on-romney-and-bain/#ixzz1uu0LCAjd

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:13 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    And?

    That statement is one I hope EVERY president believes in. Why would we want any leader of this country be ashamed of it so much that they feel they need to apologize for it's mere existance or ideals?

    For a full text of the speech in question: http://midwestdemocracy.com/blogs/entries/romney-i-will-never-ever-apologize-america/

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:21 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I do not know whether or not he apologized for America because of what that soldier did but he certainly said he would never apologize for America. It is on youtube in the following video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwefHuAw5E&feature=endscreen&NR=1

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:49 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1804

    msb: interpolation, extrapolation, conjecture, belief, thought, could be, maybe, think sos, BS...you are all the same. The TRUTH is Romney NEVER said it. Fess up.

    KP: Good job ferretting out the lie.

    What I found: "Gov. Romney believes the killings are reprehensible and shares the anguish of the victims' families. These acts by one soldier are not representative of the courageous and honorable conduct of our armed forces. That soldier should be held to account after a full and rapid investigation, and we must be clear that America stands with the Afghan people, not against them." A far cry from msb's claim. Ooooh Raaahhh Romney!!

    Mar 12, 2012 – BILOXI, MS -- Rick Santorum today said that the United States should apologize for the massacre of 16 Afghan civilians killed by an American
    soldier.

    President Obama's apology to Afghanistan for the burning of the Quran continues to rattle around the American political world.

    Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum joined Newt Gingrich on Sunday in criticizing the apology, while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the GOP attacks are undermining diplomatic efforts with Afghanistan.

    Even though the Afghans killed 30 US soldiers for it. Was there an apology from the Afghan leaders for this? NO.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 5:42 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    I wonder if Ms Bobin would be satisfied to allow the standard of "extrapolation" to be used in a court of law?

    Can you imagine a legal system where the justice system can say "well, based on previous behavior and statements we think you might do this so we are going to punish you for it now."?

    Yes, yes, I know this is just an opinion forum. But it goes to character when someone says that lying is perfectly acceptable if it is about someone you don't like. It is a very tell-tale sign of what is wrong with our current political scene. Deceit, lying and justification for actions otherwise found reprehensible are not only accepted, but promoted as acceptable.

    Why don't we hold to the same standard of behavior in politics that we do in other aspect of our lives? Or should we use extrapolation to assume this kind of deliberate dishonesty IS part of your normal life?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 5:29 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880


    mis·di·rec·tion noun
    1.
    a wrong or incorrect direction, guidance, or instruction.


    de·ceit

    noun
    1.
    the act or practice of deceiving; concealment or distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading; duplicity; fraud; cheating: Once she exposed their deceit, no one ever trusted them again.
    2.
    an act or device intended to deceive; trick; stratagem.

    And finally:

    mis·in·form

    verb (used with object)
    to give false or misleading information to.

    Any of these can be attributed to making up quptes to decieve others about an issue.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 5:26 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    So you have no problem with people attributing quotes like whe one in question even though nothing of the sort was ever said but similar statements were made about other, non-related issues?

    Now be honest, if someone had done the same thing but deliberately made up a quote and atributed it to Obama you would be screaming foul. So please explain why you think lying about Romney is justifiable but not about Obama?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 5:19 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    This is one of the reasons I have decided to not be as active on the boards here.

    Not to long ago Ms Bobin wrote a LTE blasting Mr. Wade for being politically dishonest to promote his side. I saw her point, wrong information was given.

    BUT not that her side has done the same thing where is the equal outrage at misinformation being given. From what i have been able to read Romney NEVER said America should not apologize for the murder of Afghan citizens by a US soldier. But Ms. Bobin seems perfectly content in letting this kind of political misinformation being distributed.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:19 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    It is called "extrapolation."

    From dictionary.com: "to infer (an unknown) from something that is known; conjecture."

    Learn how words are used.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:17 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/12/10656263-santorum-says-us-should-apologize-for-civilian-killings-in-afghanistan?lite

    First part of the story indicates that Santorum agrees an apology is due.

    Bottom of page: "official" Romney spokesperson states Romney's view.

    NO apology is even suggested.

    Since Romney has been adamant about NOT making apologies, there is really no need to expect that he would apologize in this case and his spokesperson's comments affirm that position.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:57 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin... you are the expert on anti Romney material/... please help Kevin find the exact article you are claiming exists... why should Kevin try so hard to find what you already have...

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:22 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Have now read 10 articles under the search "us soldier killing civilians romney" and NOT ONE says Romney said America shouldn't apologize for it. MAkes me wonder where the quote is from.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:06 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    Yup, found those. Didn't find the one referanced in the article where Romney is critical of Obama for apologizing when an American soilder went on a killing spree, killing citizes while they slept.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:26 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    I agree that this letter is great!... it clearly articulated the irrational fears and thinking of the left... good comment Mr Heuer

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:42 pm on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Paglia - try googling "Romney, America shouldn't apologize"

    You'll get a plethora of articles in which Romney criticized Obama for apologizing for various incidents and others in which Romney states he would NEVER, EVER apologize for America.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 11:54 am on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1880

    "America need not apologize for anything"

    I'm sorry, I am trying to find the context of this quote but my computer, when cut an pasting the phrase into the google search brings up THIS LTE as the op result.

    Can someone post a link to a transcript of Romney saying this.

    Quotes out of context are a petpeeve of mine and would like to verify the validity of this statement.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:25 am on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1182

    Good letter Adam

     
  • Josh Morgan posted at 10:06 am on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Josh Morgan Posts: 529

    I have followed Mr. Dados's LTE over the past few decades. After his last few letters I can tell you he is at least an equal opportunity basher.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:01 am on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Imagine, the people who concluded that “Moon Beam Brown”, the father of unions and government control/mandates...no history of business leadership could have lead California out of our economic disaster ( Instead of a successful Meg Whitman) that California finds itself in... is nervous about Romney..in fact, it would be a funny skit on SNL. Is it any wonder why Californians are labeled bizarre by so much of the world.

    Yes, I can understand now why “Moon Beam Brown” somehow is comforting to Mr Dados and Romney is scary... maybe if Romney was anti business, anti private sector jobs, pro union jobs and unsuccessful...then checked out of society to meditate with Buddhist monks for a few years, Romney could gain the confidence of people like Mr Dados.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:00 am on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Relax... Mr Dados... your fears are unreasonable. Romney was governor of a very liberal state and conservatives think he is more liberal than conservative... its the conservatives that are worried he is actually just like you... you should be enthusiastic that the only two options left are a far left thinker in Obama or a moderate left leaning Republican in Romney... the two conservatives you would have feared legitimately are not running... Newt and Santorum... so relax...let the Republicans fear Romney... after all, it was Romney's health plan that inspired Obama. If Obama is inspired by Romney, so should you.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:19 am on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2238

    I love America. The fact that we can apologize when we occasionally get something wrong just emphasizes how much we do get right.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:38 am on Mon, May 14, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4308

    Mr. Dados is correct. Be careful what you wish for....the Republicans clamored for George W. Bush after the Clinton years even though we were left with a healthy surplus.

    Look how that turned out.

     

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