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Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:12 am, Wed Nov 21, 2012.

Hidden in Obamacare is an employer tax that must give businesses pause in business strategy. Never before has legislation encouraged businesses to contemplate shrinking their operations and outsourcing jobs overseas.

Businesses with over 50 full-time employees must pay a tax of $2,000-$3,000 per employee in 2014, with the tax increasing significantly yearly thereafter if employees have no health insurance. Obamacare has a hidden complication that will result in financial hardship.

I recently had a meeting with a CEO of a national business with 5,000 employees. 2,500 are full-time employees with comprehensive benefits. The other 2,500 employees are part-time. Under Obamacare, two part-time employees working 15 hours per week will be counted as one full-time equivalent employee for determining the tax. In their scenario, they will pay Obamacare taxes on 1,250 employees.

Stores like Best Buy, which is famous for its Geek Squad part-time employees, will now have to increase the cost of their products to offset the massive new taxes they will pay. All Best Buy has to do to avoid massive taxes and penalties is to outsource Geek Squad overseas. Since they are in financial trouble already, outsourcing must be considered if they want to stay in business.

It has become very expensive to hire employees. Between minimum wage for unskilled labor, matching FICA, benefits, worker compensation, unions, employee lawsuits, government compliance expenses and now Obamacare, China and India are looking very attractive.

Let's thank the voters for electing Obama again. Say goodbye to jobs!

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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107 comments:

  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:03 pm on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Looks like Harper Reed was asleep at the wheel when all those reports, according to Ms. Bobin, came over the net of right wing groups and Romney supporters threatening to riot if Obama wins.

    http://www.fastcompany.com/1757055/tech-pioneer-harper-reed-becomes-obama-campaign-cto

    Tech Pioneer Harper Reed Becomes Obama Campaign CTO


    If there was any doubt the Obama re-election campaign was going to storm into new digital territory in the upcoming race, it was erased by today’s announcement that it is appointing uber-hipster and tech rebel Harper Reed as the organization’s chief technology officer.

    Reed, who is 33, according to the Chicago Tribune, is the former CTO of Threadless, an online clothing company that pioneered crowdsourced design. Reed left that company two years ago, temporarily working at cloud-computing leader Rackspace, before moving on to personal projects, like designing an app to track delays in the Chicago transit system and a tool to simplify check-ins.

    What’s most notable about the appointment is Reed’s position is not “head of social media” or “head of digital strategy.” It’s CTO. As in: Go find us the most radical technology out there to turbo-charge this campaign, and build whatever the hell else doesn’t already exist.
    [beam][beam][beam][beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:54 pm on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    On page 10 of a google search using key words" right wing groups threatening to riot". Not much to speak of. Again the many references of Obama supporters threatening to riot using the same key words.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:44 pm on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    What's so interesting is when I googled using key words Romney supporters will riot if Obama wins even then the vast majority of the results were in reference to Obama supporters will riot if Obama loses. Now, we all know how the Obama campaign utilized google much more effectively than the Romney campaign. So, this begs the question. Why would they choose to not utilize google to their benefit to get out the word Romney supporters would riot if Obama lost based on the information at hand if this was to transpire?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:28 pm on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Frankly I grow tired of the left wing mantra that if your're a right winger you must be a hate monger. It's just as ridiculous as if a right winger were to say if you're a left winger you must be a hate monger.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:18 pm on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    Have you checked the same for threats against Obama?

    No, I thought not.

    -Chuckle
    I did. But hardly anything comes up More so, based on the fact the Liberal Media is in the tank with Obama, anything even approaching what was tweeted by Obama supporters should have made national headlines. And as far as those 800 right wing hate groups? Where are all the reports of them planning anything in the event Obama won? Here again we should have seen some national headlines. Where are those reports, MSSSSSSSSSSS. BOBIN?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:23 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Still waiting for the proof in the law that states employers will be penalized with fees for not covering part time employees...

    Odd thing to say... never stated what you want proof of.... I stated it is my opinion that chain reactions of events will take place because of Obamacare that will result in employers paying taxes and penalties for part time employees that do not have health care through their employer based on the conversations I have had with various businesses...

    It is also my opinion that Obamacare will become obsolete and scraped within a decade or so with a single payer system requireing taxes paid by the employer on all employees no matter how many hours they work. I cannot prove it, but for me it is obvious.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:08 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    An uneducated liberal stated...Why not provide healthcare insurance and make the employees pay for 100% or whatever number is less than the penalty?

    Obviously, since government mandates an employer pay a minimum 50% of the single rate for an employee, that is not possible...is it?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    ZZZzzzzzzz.............

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:37 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Have you checked the same for threats against Obama?

    No, I thought not.

    So silly - you think nutty Obama supporters have the market on threats locked up.

    That must be why there are over 800 right-wing hate groups in the US - up from less than 100 before 2008.

    Naive to say the least, Mr. Docktor.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:34 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Well, there you go.

    Check with Mr. Baumbach - he's got the database of my quotes. I'm sure he could give you at least half a dozen.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:33 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Silly.

    Why not provide healthcare insurance and make the employees pay for 100% or whatever number is less than the penalty? Do you think moving operations overseas is free? Your contentions are ludicrous and any company contemplating what you propose would be doing so out of spite and at great expense.

    Many companies already do not have an ER portion of healthcare expense and act as if they are doing their employees a favor.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:27 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    HA HA!

    All lies and suppositions not supported by facts.

    Still waiting for the proof in the law that states employers will be penalized with fees for not covering part time employees.

    You know you are making it up, Mr. Baumbach.

    You keep repeating Nancy Pelosi's comment. OK, it's two+ years later, the law has been passed, we know what's in it. Your so-called penalties are NOT.

    Stop lying about it.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:53 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Darrell wrote:

    Why in the world would an employer not anticipate the obvious with tax happy liberals in charge and Obamacare that will obviously evolve to increase taxes to pay for its very expensive provisions? Time to consider China and India.

    -And to add. There's no guarantee any of the taxes collected to fund Obamacare will actually be appropriated that way.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:48 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    It's not unreasonable to speculate that Obama supporters will riot anyway once they find out their employers can't afford to provide them Obamacare. And the icing on the cake will be when they get their hours cut to a part time basis. Will this be enough evidence for the Obamamites to finally admit their Saviour has thrown them under the bus? Don't count on it.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:41 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Good points Darrell. And I have to add. I've spoken to a retired VP of John Hancock and he is complete agreement that Obamacare was poorly written.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:38 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    An interesting observation. Many of those threatening to riot seem to be on foodstamps and they might actually have to get off their buts and go to work if Romney gets elected.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:35 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/will-the-election-results-cause-massive-riots-to-erupt-all-over-america


    The election is nearly four weeks away, and many Obama supporters are already threatening to riot if Obama loses. The following are some very disturbing messages that were posted on Twitter recently that have been reposted on Twitchy.com....

    "If Romney wins I'm Starting a Riot....Who's WIT ME???"

    "I Hope The USA Is Well Aware That If In The Event This Character Romney Wins The Election, The People Will Start A Country Wide Riot! #Power"

    "If Romney is elected president, its gon be a riot its gon be a riot."

    "If ROMNEY GETS IN THE WHITE HOUSE ...U MIGHT AS WELL KILL ME NOW .....CAUSE ITS GONNA BE A ************ RIOT !!!"

    "If Romney became President and took away welfare Downtown Cincinnati would become a riot"

    "If Romney takes away food stamps 2 Chainzz in this bit IMMA START A RIOT"

    "If Romney wins. (which i highly doubt) THERE WILL BE A RIOT—"

    The following are a few more tweets that I found which threaten a potential riot if Obama loses the election....

    From @joecools_world....

    "Need 2 come up wit a game plan if Romney win.... Riot all thru Newark"

    From @killacate....

    "I swear on everything I love if Romney wins ima riot. I don't even care if its just me."

    Romney supporters are not really threatening to riot, but many of them are proclaiming that they may leave the country if Obama wins. Here are some examples....

    From @BrentskiTheBoss....

    "If Obama gets reelected I may leave the country"

    From @AbbieFickes....

    "im sorry but if obama were to win again, i might as well leave the country and live in zimbabwe"

    This presidential campaign has been getting increasingly heated, and individuals on both sides have been committing some despicable acts.

    For example, in a previous article I mentioned that some Romney campaign signs down in Virgina have been smeared with excrement.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:29 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I'm still waiting for Ms. Bobin to acknowledge since Obama is still angry with Bush she no longer praises his every move.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:18 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/16/election-day-chaos-obama-supporters-claim-they-will-kill-romney-if-he-wins-election/

    By Alex Thomas
    theintelhub.com
    October 16, 2012

    A clip:

    Supporters of President Obama have apparently taken to Twitter to threaten Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney with assassination if he happens to win the election.

    This comes just days after numerous Obama supporters actually claimed they planned to riot and start a form of martial law if Obama loses.

    “Despite the issue receiving national media attention, Obama supporters continue to threaten to riot if Mitt Romney wins the presidential election, raising the prospect of civil unrest if Obama fails to secure a second term.


    The new threats continue to dominate Twitter and the vast majority make no reference to press coverage of the issue over the last week, illustrating the fact that they are a legitimate expression of how many Obama voters plan to respond if Romney comes out on top, and not merely a reaction to media hype,” reported Paul Joseph Watson.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:10 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    http://www.eutimes.net/2012/10/obama-supporters-threatens-on-twitter-to-riot-assassinate-romney/

    A clip:

    Despite the issue garnering a significant amount of media interest as well as the attention of the Secret Service, Obama supporters continued their threats to riot and assassinate Mitt Romney if Obama loses in the aftermath of last night’s presidential debate.

    As we reported last week, Twitter has been flooded recently with violent comments from Obama supporters. The increase in volume of the comments seemed to coincide with Romney’s poll numbers edging higher against Obama.

    Not only have Obama voters been making open threats that they will riot and cause mayhem, they have also been caught making direct threats to assassinate Mitt Romney, prompting the Secret Service to announce that it was “aware” of the threats and would “conduct appropriate follow up if necessary.”

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:06 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    Praise his every move?

    Quote me doing that, Mr. Docktor.

    Oh, you can't? Dunces are a dime a dozen in the Republican Party.

    -Chuckle,

    So now you are saying you disapprove of something Obama has done? Of course there are no quotes of you saying you praise his every move. Nor are there there quotes of you saying you disapprove of something he did. Try to focus like a laser beam. It's what you write that one could come to the conclusion you praise his every move. And the fact you have to resort to name calling is an indication you're not that interested in having an intelligent conversation. Oh wait, I must be one of those dunces in your eyes. Well there ya go. [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:52 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    continued...

    Lastly, I stated in my letter that employers would be encouraged to “contemplate “shrinking their operations because of Obamacare. Of course that is true.

    There are many businesses in USA that have between 50-100 employees. All an employer has to do is fire non- essential employees and outsource enough to get the size of their company to 50 within the United States and they do avoid all taxes and penalties… Outsourcing overseas will without doubt be contemplated, if not embraced when possible.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:28 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Liberal stated…Start defending yourself, Mr. Letter Writer.

    How absurd…Nothing to defend... it is my opinion that chain reactions of events will take place because of Obamacare that will result in employers paying taxes and penalties for part time employees that do not have health care through their employer based on the conversations I have had with various businesses. Obamacare was poorly written as evidenced by Nancy Pelosi saying we need to pass the bill to see what is in it. Clearly, democrats made a big mistake in giving big business loopholes that they will without doubt fix.This is why some businesses have already decided to consider outsourcing jobs overseas. As time goes on, more and more will follow suit.

    Obama has already threatened employers not to go against the spirit of Obamacare by reducing employee’s full time status to part time status in mass to avoid paying health care premiums. Obviously, that threat means he will do what it takes to tax part time employees through amendments in Obamacare or in whatever way he can. He has proven he can do it.

    Every new law has loop holes and pitfalls which when discovered are amended and changed to address the loopholes. Part time employees is one of the loopholes.
    Many employers anticipate the loop hole to be fixed. Employers also anticipate the cost of health care to dramatically increase due to Obamacare and massive taxes to pay for it. It would be short sighted and foolish to assume Taxes will not be collected for part time employees. For me, it is a certainty. Employers who anticipate paying them should quickly make plans including outsourcing jobs overseas.

    Why in the world would an employer not anticipate the obvious with tax happy liberals in charge and Obamacare that will obviously evolve to increase taxes to pay for its very expensive provisions? Time to consider China and India.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:50 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The interesting part of all of these comments is that most have nothing to do with the ridiculous and false claims of the letter writer, which he has not even bothered to defend when called out on the misinformation contained within.

    Start defending yourself, Mr. Letter Writer.

    Oh, that's right, it is difficult to back up false information - typical Republicans - they forget that there is such a thing as video tape and the Internet, thus believe no one can prove them wrong.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:43 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Praise his every move?

    Quote me doing that, Mr. Docktor.

    Oh, you can't? Dunces are a dime a dozen in the Republican Party.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:40 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Interesting and sad the Liberal media did not consider the tweets an issue.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:39 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    While Ms. Bobin accuses me of ignoring the riot at Ole Miss I knew nothing about, She ignores the thousands of tweets, probably most from Blacks, that weren't localized. My take is the Liberal media swept them under the rug as if they weren't an issue.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:31 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    Ms Bobin wrote:

    Georgie was just a victim, like the American people

    -Ah the victim card. A typical response from a Liberal. No accountability. It must be someone elses fault. Yet so unlike Obama where he can't stop blaming Bush.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:24 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I am somewhat understanding of his anger. He did have the majority control in the house and the senate. He chose to keep many Bush policies. Now, many of those policies failed under Bush and many succeeded. Obama made a crap shoot and kept many on. It's not like he didn't try to fine tune the ones that failed so they could succeed. He did try.Tthey could have succeeded. It's almost as if he was counting on them to fail so he could blame Bush.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:13 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms Bobin wrote;

    "Angry with Bush?" Why should I be angry? Dunces aren't worth my time or trouble getting angry about.

    -I don't agree with the dunce thing. However, you are bigger than Obama. I can say that. He's still angry. It seems to me HE hasn't moved forward. Yet you still praise his every move. Interesting.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:09 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I wasn't aware of the riot at Ole Miss where they burned Obama-Biden posters. Ms. Bobin's ignorance is breathtaking. And her ability to minimize the potential of those who tweeted they would riot if Obama lost. I highly doubt it would have only been burning posters. She fails to consider what the magnitude of these riots would have been. All we have to look at is the L.A. riots as a result of the Rodney King trial in the 90's. I can just imagine the Black communitie's reaction in Detroit given how they interpreted how Romney felt about the GM bailout. That communities already lost so much because of Liberalism. It's a wasteland there. But, as is with Ms. Bobin, they would never blame the failures of the Democratic controlled city and the slew of entitlements destined to create a nanny state.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:53 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "Thank you Ms. Bobin for confirming with us you don't have the courage or the will to acknowledge you are still angry with Bush ..."

    "Angry with Bush?" Why should I be angry? Dunces aren't worth my time or trouble getting angry about.

    Just thankful that another puppet was not installed in the White House this election cycle.

    BTW - it wasn't George Walker Bush's fault that his administration was such a misterable failure. It was the Republican Party and deluded voters who thought that Daddy Bush could take his ne'er-do-well son, a failed businessman and an alcoholic/drug abuser and make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

    A man who's biggest ambition in life was to be the Commissioner of Baseball.

    Georgie was just a victim, like the American people.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:40 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Your post makes not sense.

    Typical.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:39 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    While Mr. Docktor IGNORES the riot at Ole Miss over Obama's re-election.

    Selective, Mr. Docktor - makes you look perennially ridiculous as usual.

    "A riot broke out at The University of Mississippi - known as Ole Miss - as more than 400 students yelled out racial slurs and burned Obama-Biden campaign posters after the Democratic incumbent was crowned the victor of the 2012 Presidential Election on Tuesday.
    Emotions ran high among the angered college conservatives in Oxford, Mississippi, with university police being called in shortly after midnight to diffuse the crowd."

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:09 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "So let the fight continue . . ."

    A "Paper Tiger" says what???

    [huh]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:19 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    Wonderfully said, Mr. Kinderman.

    Let the obstruction continue while the Amercan public drowns as a result of all of the whiners, foot stompers, bigots and men who act like children at the expense of the American public.

    -Of course we shouldn't expect Ms. Bobin to think of these actions as pale in comparison to the thousands of tweets by Obama supporters threatening to riot if he didn't get re-elected. Even if a small percentage were to have followed through it could have benn a disaster for many cities across America. But those foot stompers, Whiners, etc. are priority one in Ms. Bobin's eyes.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:12 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobin wants us to believe after the LNS mandated real names to be used she has moved on and her comments indicating she is still angry with Bush are just a figment of our imaginations. Any takers?[beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:08 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Thank you Ms. Bobin for confirming with us you don't have the courage or the will to acknowledge you are still angry with Bush and you haven't moved on. One does not need to look much farther than just with a few monthes or so to find your statements indicating your anger and you ahevn't moved on. Instead, you try to make a case that we really don't know if it was you and it may have been Lodian. I never implied you are Lodian. And to bring up something based on her distortion of what i was trying to say to her is childish at the least. Is there any hope you may change your tune and finally admit you are like every human? Or do you believe only when you meet your maker you will acknowledge you are not without fault?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:19 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor wrote:

    "So Ms. Bobin,

    All those posts you've made the last four years disparaging and holding Bush accountable for all the mistakes Obama has made is really not as a result of anger?"

    Actually, this statement is inaccurate, since the LNS has only mandated that real names be used for about 2 years, so you wouldn't even know what I may have posted before - or whether I even posted.

    I know that you fervently believe that I am "Lodian," whom you detest and whom I understand stalked and physically threatened in the past, but I am not.

    And yes, unless you have a case of total amnesia, Obama is not responsible for driving this country's economy off the cliff - maybe you need a refresher - he found the economy this way when he took office.

    Why do you suppose George Walker Bush has been in hiding for four years? Because he is being "modest" about taking credit for his great accomplishmen? Or because he no doubt fears for his life?

    If you looked up the record, you would find that NO former president has held such a low profile as George Walker Bush has after his presidency. I think even Nixon was in the public eye more often.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:03 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wonderfully said, Mr. Kinderman.

    Let the obstruction continue while the Amercan public drowns as a result of all of the whiners, foot stompers, bigots and men who act like children at the expense of the American public.

    Four years from now, if this trend continues, you will be able to count yourself among those who held their ground and said, "To h...ll with America....I will not surrender as long as there is a black Socialist in the White House."

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:45 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Look, for all you who believe we need to be reminded that the election is over - we know it already!

    But don't think the fight is over - not by a long shot. Republicans still have the House for at least two more years. But understand this - if the economy doesn't turn around, and I mean BIG TIME TURN AROUND by 2014, there will be a huge turnover in both Houses of Congress. Obama, et al., have been given a big gift here. I don't believe they deserve it, but they've got it.

    So let the fight continue . . .

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:23 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Brian,
    If you really want to watch a libtard struggle ask them to name one Bush policy that Obama as not continued or expanded upon.

    Better yet, ask them how much of a dollar earned we should be allowed to keep.

    Happy Thanksgiving![beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:16 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    One would think that Ms. Bobin would be up in arms that the White population is shrinking. Given they have contributed more to advancements in society than any other race. But this philosphy we've got to to something to give the other races a fair chance, this seems to be the only remedy.The oppressed people will be the oppressors.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    "The demographics race we're losing badly," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told the Washington Post. "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

    -The Liberal media has really ran with this as if there's something wrong with pointing out this fact as if it is somehow bigotted. Last I looked there's alot of men from all over the world with white skin. But due to political correctness we can no longer say agry white guys. But angry Black guys can come out in the droves to hear Louis Farahkan spew his hatred for Whites of all types and ethnicities and the Liberal media gives him a thumbs up.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    So Ms. Bobin,

    All those posts you've made the last four years disparaging and holding Bush accountable for all the mistakes Obama has made is really not as a result of anger?
    If this is the case and you really did move on four years ago why on Earth do your tirades indicate the contrary?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:23 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488


    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Obviously, Mr Chang has it out for Mr Kinderman as well... Just another one of those old white guys he so much hates."

    This is really offensive! Mr. Kinderman is a year younger than I and I resent being called an "old white woman," which your post implies! Only difference is, I'm not angry.

    If the election had turned out differently, I would have smiled and moved on - just as I did in 2000 - of course that would be after saying -

    "Don't worry - we'll get what we deserve for electing George Walker Bush/Willard Mitt Romney."

    Hey, at least I'm right every ten years or so!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:09 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And feels no shame in carrying on his campaign of repeating the "bigots around every corner" comment I made...when was that, Mr. Baumbach...please check your "database" for the exact date for me.

    He also feels no shame in claiming that I also said "pink bunnies, green aliens (or was it frogs? lizards?) and any other number of playground nonsense.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:06 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, another thumbs up, Mr. Heuer!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:04 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Interesting - Mr. Baumbach has now escalated to "seeing bigots around every corner."

    Before you started vilifying Mr. Chang, Mr. Baumbach, you should have checked in with your party leadership. Here from Sen. Lindsay Graham:

    "The demographics race we're losing badly," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told the Washington Post. "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

    Imagine - "GENERATING enough angry white guys."

    And Lindsay Graham - can't imagine a bigot coming from a better state than South Carolina!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:58 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Perhaps you should check with Mr. Baumbach and get a copy of his "database" containing all of my comments.

    You have obviously missed several.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:33 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Walter wrote:

    Dude, don't be absurd.

    I've done nothing to warrant an apology.

    -This confirms my belief Liberals hold Conservatives to a higher standard than they do Liberals..

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:15 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I must correct myself. I would say Joe Guzzardi is a moderate Liberal who takes conservative positions from time to time. Ms. Bobin has quite a track recorrd of holding his feet to the fire. It's the conservatism any hold she dislikes. She will go to the ends of the Earth to discredit conservatism.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:35 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Jerome wrote:

    There's one thing I've got to give to liberals: no matter who it is; not matter what they've done - they'll always be given a pass. Clinton lied under oath and looked straight into the camera beyond the Teleprompter and lied to us and now he's his party's "elder statesman," the "go-to guy" for liberals/progressives - their hero.

    -Well said Jerome. And the most important point about Liberals? They continually hold Conservatives and people they disagree with to a higher standard than they do themselves.Case in point: Not once have i seen Ms. Bobin holding any Liberals feet to the fire here.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:45 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang stated...when are you going to apologize?"Dude, don't be absurd.
    I've done nothing to warrant an apology.

    Relax Mr Chang. Everyone knows you could not possibly comprehend why you should apologize....

    A real bigot sees nothing wrong with what they say and do. I would have been very surprised had you said you were sorry, because you are not.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:42 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Perhaps because Ms. Bobin said, “Mr. Liebich acts as if there is no way to fake video” [sleeping] Call me crazy but isn't her suggestion that the video is “fake” a pretty good indication that she believes it’s a “complete lie”? [sleeping]

    p.s. Thanks for pointing out Simon Birch's post. Perhaps he will answer my Reuters question that you avoided.

    By the way, you have avoided my question on this thread as well. "What factual information that I provided are you suggesting isn't true?" "Please be specific."

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:34 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Nobody here older than me or few if any.
    Mr Limbach is creating a tea pot tempeust of his own design
    Mr Limbach has his own apologizing to catch up on before he asks anyone to apologize.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:20 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:04 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    I find it hilarious. Apologize? There you go again. The man who has more to apologize for and carries the most bigotry of all. What a joke.
    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:53 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "when are you going to apologize?"

    Dude, don't be absurd.

    I've done nothing to warrant an apology.

    If I offended any "old angry white guys", especially those prone to posting angry mean spirited rants, oops!

    I'm just sharing my opinion.

    Besides...

    You declared war, remember??

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:52 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Fighting?
    Who are you fighting? The election is over. So what is your objective?
    What do you expect from just hanging around the LNS online opinion site? Who do you plan to convert? You could just think of this as a therapy session and pretend your on a couch talking bout all your conservative woes and get it all out of your system so you can move on to a more meaningful and productive life. So go ahead lay back, close your eyes and talk about yourself. It should come natural to you.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:35 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang is asked to please apologize for his bigotry and his responce is
    to stick out his tougue ...one might think such behavior childish and inappropriate... I certainly do.

    It isn't funny Mr Chang.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:53 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    [tongue]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:27 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Again... a liberal claims to know reality but is as usual mistaken. Group LTD is discretionary pre tax/post tax...If the employer pretaxes the premiums, the disability claim becomes taxable to the employee . If the employer selects to have the premiums post tax, then the disability claim is tax free to the employee. Most employers pretax the premium which in my opinion is more beneficial for the employer than the employee and is easier to administrate.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:57 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...MR Kinderman...You can proceed through the next four years being miserable and viewing the glass as half empty or you could look on the brighter side of things.

    Obviously Mr Heuer 's liberalism clouds his judgment and reality...

    Conservatives fighting against liberalism and the policies of Obama is a positive activity that generates enthusiasm and satisfaction knowing that doing the right thing is rewarding. Glass half full? In your liberal dreams.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:37 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang stated......“IF THESE KIND OF FORUMS WEREN”T AVAILABLE…WHERE WOULD “ALL” THE OLD ANGRY WHITE GUYS GO TO PROJECT THEIR MISDIRECTED ANIMOSITIES??

    Definition of BIGOT ...Websters dictionary...

    : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with intolerance

    Mr Chang, when are you going to apologize?

    Obviously, Mr Chang has it out for Mr Kinderman as well... Just another one of those old white guys he so much hates.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:11 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    MR Kinderma
    You can proceed through the next four years being miserable and viewing the glass as half empty or you could look on the brighter side of things. Bush got a pass on things most of his life as well. Maybe you could find a hobby or enjoy some football and enjoy the bounty of this country and all the skyscrapers and commerce that represents. Its all here thats why they keep coming from around the world because America is great. Its America no matter who is in power. If 8% are unemployed then 92 % (close enough) are employed. Thats why the lines are so long to get an Iphone.The holidays are upon us us and isn't that cause to turn off ole Ebeneezer "Fox" Schrooge news and take a break from the gloom and doom reports? Sure it is.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:58 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Our Archconservative/Retrogressive "blogger"...

    A verbose mean spirited and ugly critic of the president.

    A former author of many preposterous predictions, none which ever came to pass.

    Now??

    Just another humbled "crow eating" commenter??

    Reduced to following the personal trials and tribulations of "former" politicians??

    In gossip columns and partisan websites??

    Then eagerly sharing their findings with grotesque embellishments and ugly hateful opinions??

    As if any of it matters??


    [thumbdown]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:45 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bobin posted 1:09 pm on Fri, Nov 16, 2012...Let me clarify, Mr. Baumbach - "reading between the lines" is synonomous with "critical thinking." In order to analyze a piece of writing, one must exercise critical thinking skills...

    Many business owners are doing just as Ms Bobin claims to do ... They are reading between the lines on Obamacare and taking action based on what they perceive will happen. If liberals think it is misleading then obvioiusly it is a case of being beyond their comprehension.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:30 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    There's one thing I've got to give to liberals: no matter who it is; not matter what they've done - they'll always be given a pass. Clinton lied under oath and looked straight into the camera beyond the Teleprompter and lied to us and now he's his party's "elder statesman," the "go-to guy" for liberals/progressives - their hero.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:27 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Is that how it works, one is caught with their hand in the proverbial cookie jar and it's a mental condition? Here's the thing, if (former) Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., really had some mental problem he would have served himself and his constituents much better had he stepped down rather than remain secluded through an election cycle. I suspect what he's hoping for now is to be left completely alone rather than being held accountable for whatever "mistakes" he may have made. Oops! He may have goofed by admitting mistakes - that means he must have known what he was doing was wrongful.

    I know of very few jobs where an employer will permit anyone to remain on the payroll indefinitely while doing absolutely nothing. Nevertheless, here's a guy who didn't do his job; didn't even run for re-election and still kept his seat. Welcome to the United States Congress! We ARE in big trouble.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:53 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Short term memory at its best. You ARE a pro at convenient amnesia, Mr. Kinderman.

    This is the same person who has been parroting FOX News and the Republicans in Congress saying that Watergate is NOTHING compared to Benghazi. What a joke!

    And I believe that it was a Democrat from Illinois who questioned the fact that Jesse Jackson, Jr. had been away from his job for so long this past summer. The man obviously has some mental problems, but Mr. Kinderman chooses to consider him a crook rather than understand a mental disability.

    I certainly hope that those who evaluate YOUR disability are not so unforgiving.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:53 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    What a liberal poster stated...Why the letter writer believes that "liberals" have no idea how businesses operate" presupposes that there are NO businesses run by liberals ( complete distortion)

    What I actually stated...Evidently, liberal posters have no idea how businesses operate .( attached to Frederick Goethel post)

    Obviously I was not referring to all liberals. Bill Gates is liberal and has thousands upon thousands employees outsourced in Pune India. I was referring to POSTERS on this thread.

    Clearly this liberal should be embarrassed at not being able to read English, but no, she is happy to distort.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:52 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Why, Mr. Lauchland, how un-American of you to suggest that people take charge of their own welfare and not let the government do it for them.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:51 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Identical? Looks like you are swallowing Owe-Blame-O's MALARKEY in the debates.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:50 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    They used to call it addicted to illegal drugs, now they call it bi-polar?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:38 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Why the letter writer believes that "liberals" have no idea how businesses operate" presupposes that there are NO businesses run by liberals.

    That's one for MY database of foolish claims by the letter writer.

    How embarassing for him.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:36 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Personally talked to." Right

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:35 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Your comments are irrelevant here, Mr. Kinderman.

    The ACA is a reality. How it is interpreted by individuals like the letter writer are misleading, false, incorrect...I could go on with similar adjectives.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:32 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Regarding LTD, I think you are quite mistaken. I am talking about an ER PAID LTD plan, not one elected voluntarily by the EE.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:18 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Only in America (now) can a politician win re-election and then three weeks later resign with a statement like this: “I am aware of the ongoing federal investigation into my activities and I am doing my best to address the situation responsibly, cooperate with the investigators, and accept responsibility for my mistakes, for they are my mistakes and mine alone.” "Former" Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr.

    In the America I used to know when someone was suspected of wrong-doing to the extent this man was there would have been no question that he/she would have either pulled out of the race to save face or he/she would have lost by overwhelming numbers.

    But ever since the days of William Jefferson Blythe (III) Clinton, there really is no requirement of integrity or self-respect. But it's really not the politicians' fault - no, it's We the People who bears sole responsibility for such stupidity.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:17 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Evidently, liberal posters have no idea how businesses operate .They need certainty and predictability long term in order to make immediate decisions as to investments their company will make it it's future(including hiring and firing employees). Everyone knows that employers are not obligated to
    provide benefits to part time employees under Obamacare provisions. As a response, many employers have already made decisions to reduce employee hours to less than 30 to avoid the health care expense.

    I personally have talked with at least 10 employers that said they will avoid full time employees if possible.

    I am paraphrasing... Obama has already announced that employers better not challenge the spirit of Obamacare and significantly change hiring practices to avoid Obamacare eligibility or he would confront them politically and legislatively. Unfortunately, employers have done and will continue in greater numbers just that and many employees will be working less hours or not at all.

    Employers are expecting an Obama backlash. The entire problem can be avoided if they make the decision to outsource. Without doubt, Brian was correct when he stated Obamacare inadvertently will encourage outsourcing of jobs

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:16 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Only in America (now) can a politician win re-election and then three weeks later resign with a statement like this: “I am aware of the ongoing federal investigation into my activities and I am doing my best to address the situation responsibly, cooperate with the investigators, and accept responsibility for my mistakes, for they are my mistakes and mine alone.” "Former" Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr.

    In the America I used to know when someone was suspected of wrong-doing to the extent this man was there would have been no question that he/she would have either pulled out of the race to save face or he/she would have lost by overwhelming numbers.

    But ever since the days of William Jefferson Blythe (III) Clinton, there really is no requirement of integrity or self-respect. But it's really not the politicians' fault - no, it's We the People who bears sole responsibility for such stupidity.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:53 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    To Andrew
    First why on earth do you quickly jump to the single conclusion that someone considers your video//url is a complete lie. I look at most and come to several conclusions as I said below, some are parsed, slanted, contrived or irrelevant . The case of the Chinese flag over the white house grounds is an irrelavent contrivance deserving of only a "so what?" And today your "get all the details right here" is hardly a lexicon of meaningful data. It is parsed information. It doesn't contain a whole picture. Its like the "Obama 2016 movie" you can't call it a lie because it has elements of facts mixed with innuendo and parsed remarkes and a whole bunce of irrelavance again only deserving of a "so what."

    And to your Nov 3rd post I copied :

    Andrew posted
    "before we knew anything" is utterly idiotic. They knew then and they know now.
    There are 6 media companies that exist today Mr. Heuer. There used to be 88. These 6 ALL get their news from Reuters and the Associated Press.
    Reuters owns the AP and the Rothschilds own Reuters. "

    To Andrew from Simon Birch Sat Nov 3

    'Andrew: Reuters does not own the Associated Press. The AP is a cooperative owned by newspapers, radio and television stations in the U.S. The parent company of Reuters is Thomson Reuters. I'm not sure how you figure the Rothschilds are involved. Maybe you could explain."

    It was a late night posting so I assume you didn't explain your comment as requested. I don't remember the article but that was when every tea partier and Obama hater was doing pre election letter jamming so its tedious to research. Especially when you consider that this could have been Nov 1st letter and this was a Nov 3rd respose.

     
  • Frederick Goethel posted at 1:49 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Frederick Goethel Posts: 50

    Since the Federal healthcare law is identical to the Massachusetts law, how come anyone is still working in Massachusetts? By your logic, everyone in Massachuestts should have been replaced bya worker in Bombay or had their job moved to Texas....the last time Iooked, the unemplyment rate in Mass was well under that of most of the other states in the nation.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:26 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2352

    Did I read that correctly where someone suggested that a CEO should be fired for "giving inaccurate information to his board and for not having full comprehension of his fiduciary responsibility to his company" when the ultimate "CEO" of all rammed through his idea of a health care bill where even the Speaker of the House had no idea what was in it; or just how it would all be paid for? President Barack Hussein Obama was at least complicit with the different forms of trickery and deceit that had Senators going against what they truly believed to be the right thing to do.

    In spite of how some believe corporate CEO's should behave, the President of the United States isn't held to that same standard? Talk about a nation in chaos! I am now certain that the United States as envisioned by its Founders is no longer secure.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:57 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    It really is difficult to estimate how many jobs will be lost because of Obamacare. We are going through unknown territory but job losses are obvious...
    even director Douglas Elmendorf before Congress - Feb. 10, 2011 stated...

    According to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, the effecitve increase in the marginal tax rate that comes with the implimentation of the health care reform bill will reduce labor market participation to the tune of approximately 800,000 jobs.

    In other words, people on the margin will game the system in trying to weigh the extra income from working more hours with the greater health care insurance subsidies that come with working less.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:46 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Someone posted on this thread…So now you claim that union employees, such as LUSD, whose employee portion of health care premiums are pre-tax under LUSD's Sec. 125 plan, will not only NO LONGER be pre-tax, but the ER portion will be added to Box 1 on the W2 and included in TAXABLE income?

    Unfortunately, section 125 cafeteria plans have been under attack by Obamacare where the industry is anticipating all sorts of draconian results. For example, working employees at Lodi Unified can have a $5000 maximum contribution for Flex Spending Accounts currently per plan year. Starting January first , 2013 Obamacare dramatically reduces the contribution to $2500.00. In addition, over the counter drugs have been eliminated as eligible. This really hurts the average worker.

    It is anticipated that more attacks to pre-taxed benefits will take place as Obamacare sucks the tax dollars out of our economy. This is “scary”…not a scare tactic.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:30 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    On this thread was posted. The cost of many benefits are already reported on many W2 forms depending on what a company requests from their payroll service, but only certain "company paid" benefits are taxable and included in income, such as Long Term Disability premiums.

    Clearly this post was intended to distort. Long Term Disability premiums can be and are pre-taxed at the discretion of the employer. It varies on a case by case basis. In addition, healthcare values have never been included.
    According to the The Payroll Advi$or!
    Under the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare), payroll depts. should note that employers are now required to report the cost of health insurance coverage under an employer-sponsored group health plan on Form W-2. Originally legislated to kick in in 2011, the IRS granted transitional relief to all employers for 2011. For the year 2012, only employers with 250 or more employees will be required to report this benefit on employee W-2′s.
    As Obamacare expenses and costs drive up the cost of healthcare, politicians will be desperate to find tax revenue to pay for it. Since the value of the health benefits will be an easy target, many experts anticipate that politicians will take advantage of theW-2 reporting requirements. I have never met a liberal that did not want taxes to increase.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:08 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ted stated...There is a law against monopolies. Who would have guessed the monopoly would come in the form of government ? - Now what?

    Exactly! Anyone who thinks Obamacare is anything but a stepping stone to a government single payer system like Canada and England is mistaken.
    I cannot imagine Obamacare lasting longer than 10 years where it evolves to government monopoly. Of course, progressives think that is a wonderful thing.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:06 pm on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Government monopolies? On what? Healthcare?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:38 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wow, missed that reproach! What "article" was that posted under?

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 11:36 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 254

    Bubbles will burst - Health care is one of them . What ? There is a law against it ?How many laws do you think it will take - just one you say ?. Insurance companies were a good idea once but led to be an insulating factor for the health care bubble. Now unaffordable by most.

    As long as people want money to work there is no right to health care, home ownership or to buy a new car. It costs money. America has been taught that someone else should pay for it. You have the freedom to earn it - Do it !

    There is a law against monopolies. Who would have guessed the monopoly would come in the form of government ? - Now what?

    Extreme changes in costs only put people out of business and laws that require it only push non existance. The promise of the New Country and it's freedoms are waning fast.

    Time to put yer boots on.

    Teach'em to fish.

    On this day of Thanksgivings -

    Thanks Darrell for Talking Turkey.
    Be sure to have a bottle of wine with it as it supports our local economy - employees included. Don't think I'd care for it if it was made in China.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The letter writer stated: "The CEO I talked with told me he was certain it would also would require their organization to pay taxes on these employees as well. "

    Told you "he was certain?" This CEO needs to be fired for giving inaccurate information to his board and for not having full comprehension of his fiduciary responsibility to his company.

    The cost of many benefits are already reported on many W2 forms depending on what a company requests from their payroll service, but only certain "company paid" benefits are taxable and included in income, such as Long Term Disability premiums.

    The terminology you are using, i.e., "it is expected," only adds to the dubious claims made in this letter.

    So now you claim that union employees, such as LUSD, whose employee portion of health care premiums are pre-tax under LUSD's Sec. 125 plan, will not only NO LONGER be pre-tax, but the ER portion will be added to Box 1 on the W2 and included in TAXABLE income?

    These "guesses" are made without substantiation and sound like a desperate attempt to frighten rather than inform.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:34 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What factual information that I provided are you suggesting isn't true? Please be specific.

    P.S. Please share the November 3rd "public rebuttal post " I haven't seen it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:31 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What factual information are you suggesting isn't true? Please be specific.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:25 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Brian can you provide proof the did?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:29 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Thank you again Ms Bobin
    for pointing out the the efforts of the letter writer to confuse people with distortions and misrepresenttions. Before my daughter got married recently the last I read was that Mr Limbach was not going to post here until things improved. I guess the reelection of the president seems to be an improvement for him so he is back posting again. Freudian?

    And yes Andrew has validated his own irrelavance by, in his own words, "ignorance is a choice", believing anything on HIS computer is true: not parsed, not slanted, not contrived, not irrelavant but ready to go out the door and on to the online LNS posts. I mean when the LNS feels compelled to correct your nonsense in a public rebuttal post (Nov 3) it was a real Candy Crowley moment from Simon Birch. Now if only they would do some fact checking on Mr Limbach...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:23 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Posted here on this thread was...The calculation for converting part time employees to full-time equivalents has nothing to do with employer penalties. It pertains to determining whether the employer has 50 full-time equivalent employees, i.e., the number at which an employer must offer health coverage.

    Of course the calculation for determining the size of the company as being subject to the tax penalty is effected by adding the number of equivalent employees. The CEO I talked with told me he was certain it would also would require their organization to pay taxes on these employees as well.

    There are many concerns on how Obamacare . For example, the value of benefits must be now reported on the W-2 of each employee. Currently, Obamacare says only employees with cadillac plans like unions and executives enjoy with get penalized and taxed on excess values over a defined amount. However, it is expected by many that the value of benefits will become taxable as income. Since the value of benefits are already on the W-2, it would be easy to implement.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:51 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Really, you can't think of any reason why a GOP website might spin that data during an election? If you are going to believe the GOP website maybe you should take a look at the DNC websites to find out about all of the good things Obama has done or better yet just get your info from Obama's own website. Once again Andrew you really got to stop believing everything you read online I hate to break it to you but some people put things online that are not factual.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Obama administration has actually spent billions of taxpayer dollars to create jobs in other countries. [sleeping]

    You can get all the details right here:

    http://obamanomicsoutsourced.com/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:14 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    This commenter reminds me of the commercial for some insurance company in which the "dumb blonde" character states:

    "You can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:10 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The letter writer wrote: "It has become very expensive to hire employees. Between minimum wage for unskilled labor, matching FICA, benefits, worker compensation, unions, employee lawsuits, government compliance expenses and now Obamacare, China and India are looking very attractive.

    Let's thank the voters for electing Obama again. Say goodbye to jobs!"

    LAUGHABLE TO DAY THE LEAST

    For how many decades have all of the items listed in the paragraph above been applicable?

    The only addition is "Obamacare." To state that re-electing President Obama will cause MORE jobs to be shipped overseas (like no companies were doing this already!) is ludicrous.

    And it is insulting to the millions of under-employed Americans to be described by this deluded letter writer as UNDESERVING of a minimum wage because they are "unskilled."

    The amount of arrogance displayed in this letter is disgraceful.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:02 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Recently had a meeting..."

    Attending a conference at which the CEO of a 5000 employee company was a speaker does not qualify as "a meeting."

    The letter writer stated: "The other 2,500 employees are part-time. Under Obamacare, two part-time employees working 15 hours per week will be counted as one full-time equivalent employee for determining the tax. In their scenario, they will pay Obamacare taxes on 1,250 employees."

    If the CEO provided this information to the letter writer, he is incorrect.

    If the letter writer provided this information to the "CEO" during their "meeting" he should have been asked to leave his office immediately. CEO's, I'm sure, do not have time to deal with such misinformation.

    The calculation for converting part time employees to full-time equivalents has nothing to do with employer penalties. It pertains to determining whether the employer has 50 full-time equivalent employees, i.e., the number at which an employer must offer health coverage.

    If this employer is providing its full-time employees with health benefits, it wouldn't matter how many part-time employees the company had and NO penalty would be applicable.

    Why else would companies, such as Papa Johns, declare that they will cut employee hours, thus making them part-time, in order to avoid providing health coverage.

    The whole basis for this letter is bogus and it is shameful that an individual would willfully mislead the public.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:20 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Barrow,
    In the age of information ignorance is a choice.

    The Obama administration has actually spent billions of taxpayer dollars to create jobs in other countries. [sleeping]

    You can get all the details right here:

    http://obamanomicsoutsourced.com/

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Looks like Obama ALSO didn't read all of Obamacare. Of course he will say it isn't his fault Obamacare inadverdantly will encourage outsourcing of jobs. It's gotta be Bush's fault. :).

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:57 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Eric,

    Can you provide us some proof why the unions had nothing to do with the CEO's 300 percent raise?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:45 am on Wed, Nov 21, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    How outrageous for employees to expect compensation from their employers. American companies have grown increasingly profitable, worker productivity increases while pay rates stagnate, the time for a resurgence of unions is upon us. Overall, the average level of CEO pay in the S and P 500 Index increased 13.9 percent in 2011, following a 22.8 percent increase in CEO pay in 2010. Hostess blames the unions for their problems while the CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000 and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. CEO pay has increased 725 percent over three decades, while worker pay has essentially remained flat and now, thank goodness, it seems the workers of Wal-Mart are waking up and demanding that the most profitable company in the world pay a fare wage to the workers who create that profit.

     

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