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Posted: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:00 am

I see Jerry Osgood, “We should not be so trusting of politicians,” March 4, and Darrell Baumbach, “There are alternatives to the Affordable Care Act tax penalties,” March 4, are still whining about Obama and Obamacare — get over it already.

It amazes me how Mr. Osgood accuses a lot of Americans of being gullible when he obviously falls for the big right-wing “free-market capitalism” myth perpetrated by the super rich and radical Republicans who have fallen for the neo-capitalism lies blaming everything on the government.

Mr. Osgood, the old-fashioned capitalism of some of our fathers and forefathers (mom-and-pop businesses, the customer is king, open market for whomever builds the better mousetrap) seems to be vanishing and being replaced by corporation-controlled markets in collusion with politicians (usually Republicans) to ensure their unconscionable — actually shameful — profits. Forget the antitrust laws; they are not enforced or, at least, rarely enforced. In America we seem to have a resurgence of the robber baron era around the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, when wealthy capitalists and industrialists (such as the Vanderbilts, Rockefellers, Carnegies, Fords, Crockers) were riding high on the waves of prosperity — a prosperity that was denied to the very working class that created it! Nothing like working your fingers to the bone to make the boss rich while you barely make ends meet.

It really riles me when others allege that myself and other Americans are so gullible. As if they think they are so intellectually superior to us. If so, I would like to see their doctorates in philosophy!

As I said before in the Lodi News-Sentinel, if you are so paranoid about Obama and the Democrats transforming our country into a Marxist, socialist or communist “utopia” as you call it, then why don’t you get out of it while you still have a chance?

And Mr. Baumbach, I haven’t forgotten you. Evidently you can afford to travel abroad (unlike a lot of us gullible working-class people).

I believe Mr. Obama cares more about me and mine than those like Mr. Osgood. I’m a combat veteran, and the Republicans seem to want to take away any benefits I get from the government because they don’t benefit the Republicans.

John Cooper

Lodi

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55 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Apr 17, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    As usual, you pretend to know the facts.

    [sleeping]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_POwMqiFKk#t=454

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:31 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You just provided an example.[sleeping]

    Rule #6
    Stay on topic. Make sure your comments are about the story. Don't insult each other.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:09 am on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Also have to commend Mr. Liebich for "his" coverage of the Cliven Bundy debacle.

    I think his website, "Infowars," neglected to state all the facts about this outlaw who:

    Doesn't "believe" in the Federal Government.

    Owes 20 years worth of grazing fees (ONE MILLION DOLLARS).

    Won't pay it because "there is no Federal Government."

    Has enlisted the sympathy of like-minded, government-hating, gun-toting groups who would love to start a revolt and attempted a stand-off with agents over the weekend.

    And to boot - the right wingers love him! Huckabee is outraged! FOX News is outraged! Sean Hannity is going to join him with this AK-47 to help defend this lawless individual!

    And here, especially for our visitor - not one peep from FOX News about the oil company that is claiming eminent domain over ranchers and farmers and Native Americans who are in the way of the Keystone Pipeline.

    Amazing double standards as usual.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "What's funny is one who continually blabs about the rules of this forum, even writes a letter to the editor about them, yet has no trouble violating them herself..."

    Really? Examples from the date of my letter? I'll even give you a little leeway, Mr. Liebich. I wrote the letter on March 14 - a good two weeks before it appeared.

    Examples of my violation of the rules?

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 7:21 am on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Hey Joanne-
    I am in town for a few days..should we do lunch?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:16 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    It's incredibly disingenuous for you to claim you have ever "countered" ANYTHING!
    [sleeping]

    Fun was watching you spin yourself silly for an entire week when I pointed out the fact that we have more listeners than MSNBC and CNN combined.

    I love delusional liberals.
    [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:05 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    How do you reconcile the fact that we have always been equally critical of both sides of the false left/right paradigm?

    What's funny is one who continually blabs about the rules of this forum, even writes a letter to the editor about them, yet has no trouble violating them herself...
    [lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:53 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Funny that one who continually blabs about the "false left/right paradigm" "WORKS" for a notorious right-winger. How do you reconcile that anomaly, Mr. Liebich.

    BTW - saw your "boss" on the latest episode of ABS about American Terrorists.

    He seemed pretty convinced that all the baddies that you claim the Obama Administration has falsely targeted were actually a THREAT.

    Somewhat like the self-proclaimed "patriot" who just shot and killed 3 people he thought were Jews. Klansman/neo-Nazi. Just a regular guy trying to proclaim his right to be a white man in a melting pot of colors.

    Obviously, in YOUR book, it was an injustice for him to be on ANYONE'S watchlist, eh?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:33 am on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    You completely miss the fact that Brian while claiming all government is bad never has a negative thing to say about any politician or programs from the right, it’s disingenuous and all you come up with is a typo. If countering your extreme claims wasn't so much fun and so very easy I think I'd give up on such lame responses.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:13 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Yes, I found "I think you all government" most amusing as well as your ability to ignore the fact that many Democrats were proponents of the Iraq war.
    [lol]

    Your sir are so helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm it's ridiculous.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:05 am on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    Did you even read my post?

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 3:44 pm on Sun, Apr 13, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    That's why I'll stick with my good ol paper maps. All this technology stuff can make your head spin!!! [smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:15 pm on Sat, Apr 12, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    Gps anomaly, sorry.

    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:42 am on Sat, Apr 12, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Perhaps Brian isn't helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm like yourself and Ms. Bobin...[yawn]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 8:56 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    No, Walter, the water's just fine here in the middle... but I wonder what makes you think otherwise?

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 8:50 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    Agreed. Something as universally evil like torture goes beyond one country's constitution or laws. I'm not sure an indictment against Cheney or Rumsfeld will come out of this in a legal sense, but at least in a human sense.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:08 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    Christina, did you drop anchor on the right side of the lake???

    Quack Quack Quack...

    [beam]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:15 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wouldn't it be interesting to find out just HOW this nonsense gets into one's convoluted sense of reality, Mr. Barrow?

    Astounding!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:11 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Have you forgotten (or have never acknowledged) the fact the BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan were NEVER in the budget, Mr. Taves?

    [lol]

    And the Medicare Prescription Plan? Never paid for.

    You are quite myopic about Republican DEBTS and choose to focus on the opposite as if Republicans were "as pure as the driven snow."

    [lol]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:03 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    sorry should be torture not terror, little difference though.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:02 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    Nice clarification Christina thanks. Either way with the new Senate Report out we may finally be able to charge the Bush administration and especially cheney and rumy with human rights violations.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:01 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    The UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Geneva Convention have explicit prohibitions against torture. The 8th amendment's "cruel and unusual punishment" isn't about torture of enemy combatants.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 11:55 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 158 Staff

    Eric,

    We use a couple of national companies (one being Google) to serve non-local ads on our website. The presentation of these ads is sometimes determined automatically by the content of the page — in this case, the letter itself — and in some cases by the browsing history of our readers.

    On some of the national ads, you'll see a small arrow in the top right or left corner. If you click on the arrow, you'll get a list of links, one of which will allow you to opt out of receiving targeted ads.

    I don't know if the ad that sparked your comment has that choice, but feel free to use it if you see the ad again.

    Unless, of course, you're referring to our local advertisers, in which case I'd encourage you to support local businesses.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:46 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    anybody else notice the advertising LNS is using with this letter I guess the paper has finally joined the tea bag party any further allusions ( although there really weren't any) that the LNS is at all unbiased have now gone out the window

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:43 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    See Brian you claim you trust no government but you are always defending the right and finding fault with the left I think you all government is bad argument is a façade and you are truly a right winger.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:40 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    Brian without the lies put forth by cheney and rumy, condi talking about mushroom clouds over NY, no Democrat would have supported an invasion of Iraq.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    Stan why is it that progressive programs are responsible for overspending the military spends much more perhaps the money we borrow pays the military leaving plenty of tax dollars for social programs.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:34 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    No vetting? he served a term as President and then was re-elected sound like he had four years of vetting.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:33 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    If nothing else and I'm sure there are laws against it but what about the complete disregard of the 8th amendment or is the constitution just rhetoric also.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:28 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    I believe you, I just haven't heard you mention the corruption that allowed terror by the Bush administration.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 8:49 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    Glad you can figure out the mind of President Obama, Ms. Bobin...

    If that was what he was thinking, then that was what he should've said to the American people. We shouldn't have to read between the lines of his words, and when we have to, that is what makes it seem like he was lying. I realize the sound bite "if you like your plan..." is more effective, but with something as important as this, he should've been more clear.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:33 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Ms. Bobbin stated,

    You are talking apples and oranges, Mr. Musto.

    -Another miserable attempt by Ms. Bobbin to deflect attention away from the fact that many many Democrats were proponents of the Iraq war and Cheney had not bearing on their decision.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:25 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    Unless you live under a rock - most people are aware of the extensive advertising done by insurance companies for cheap (inexpensive) plans that cover virtually NOTHING that the average family needs, i.e., office visits, well baby care, vaccinations, maternity care, etc.

    -Now under Obamacare men have to get maternity care in their policies. That makes a whole lot of sense.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:18 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Hmm,

    Where have I said government is not corrupt, Eric? Unlike you, I still believe government is corrupt with Obama in the White House.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:26 pm on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    I shake my head every time I hear someone attempt to defend Barry Boy. Appparently the liberal lemming just love being lied to on a daily basis. I always have fun asking liberals to name ONE thing that Barry did that makes America a better country. So far, SILENCE.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:21 pm on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Criminal? Please cite the law that makes what Cheney did as a criminal act. Or, like usual, it is just psycho liberal rhetoric.

     
  • stan taves posted at 12:23 pm on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Mister Cooper -- or is it Doctor? Here's the deal: The wonderful things that left calls "progress" are not, and have never been, paid for. It's called "deficit spending" and it, more than anything else, is what is responsible for the disparity between the classes. The point is that our "unbridled debt" has allowed for the reckless pursuit of progress at the expense of the culture's mental and physical well being, In other words "borrowed consumption" has made us fat, lazy, and stupid; or, if you prefer, " the inappropriate allocation of un-earned resources feeds ineptitude". And what does the left do in response to what is clearly a national crisis? They build another, bigger, and more idiotic, program -- Obamacare -- that, once again, can not be paid for. It's disgusting what the left has done -- with the help of the RINO's, of course. It's arrogant, it's pretentious, and it has now become an absolute assault on all of working class America. Can we work our way back out of this mess? Certainly, but it will require a new kind of progress that begins with leadership that understands the value of growth and job creation. The left has had their shot, and they blew it. Sure, people like Mr. Cooper, who are enamored by the flowery rhetoric of "hope and change", will be slow to see the light; but that's OK, 'cause we'll still get it RIGHT. Believe it!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:10 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thank you for proving my point, Ms. Welch.

    Who knew that thousands of people who read at 8th grade level and below didn't actually know what was in their policies. Most of these worthless policies covered nothing that the average family needs such as office visits, well-baby care, maternity care, vaccinations, etc. They only covered catastrophic care - major surgeries, etc., and even then it was doubtful that the companies would pay.

    Most of these policies were dependent on annual renewal anyway - and many companies would cancel them if the policy owners used them.

    Unless you live under a rock, there have been thousands of stories of people who were refused coverage by their insurance companies for things that these individuals THOUGHT they were covered for.

    Apparently, most policies are written in college level language that the average American cannot understand.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:02 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    While that rhetoric is absolutely true, I think that President Obama was thinking of plans provided by employers - NOT the worthless so-called "catastrophic" plans that are purchased by individuals - not groups - that were non-compliant with the ACA.

    Turns out thousands of fools had these worthless plans - which, btw, are renewable annually and many companies would routinely cancel them if the policy owners ACTUALLY USED THEM.

    Unless you live under a rock - most people are aware of the extensive advertising done by insurance companies for cheap (inexpensive) plans that cover virtually NOTHING that the average family needs, i.e., office visits, well baby care, vaccinations, maternity care, etc.

    Many of these people that had these plans had no idea that the only coverage was for catastrophic events - and even then it would be doubtful if insurance companies would pay out.

    Thank you, Ms. Welch, for proving my point - most Americans didn't even know the terms of their own policies which, I guarantee you, are written in college level language and are indecipherable to most.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:51 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:50 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You are talking apples and oranges, Mr. Musto.

    The Senate bill was passed in 2005 while Cheney was plotting the Iraq invasion to get oil way back in 2001 - almost BEFORE Bush was sworn in to office.

    The Senate Energy Bill is far different from Dick Cheney's Secret Energy Task Force. If you remember, Cheney REFUSED to reveal the documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act, claiming "Executive Privilege."

    Then - years later, Cheney INSISTED that the Vice President's office was NOT part of the Executive Branch and that he was immune to orders to the Executive Branch to hand over documents.

    Reason - the plan to get US control over Middle East oil - more specifically - Iraq Oil. Perhaps you may remember GWB on TV PLEADING with Iraqis not to destroy the oil fields and oil operations.

    Dick Cheney is evil incarnate and the man will stop at nothing.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:32 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    President Obama signed an executive order to make the CIA close any facilities that are used for extreme interrogation but the order did not apply to facilities used to hold terror suspect "on a short term basis."

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:31 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2349

    Of course Americans are "clueless." If they weren't the current administration would have never seen the light of day politically. The media are supposed to help bring the truth out about things that are important to this country. That's one of the reasons why they're specifically protected by the Constitution. But as far as Barack Hussein Obama is concerned, it's been pretty much hands off. There was no vetting of him or anyone in his inner circle - and that's inherently dangerous considering the power that is provided to the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    Since the ACA (mostly known as "Obamacare" by those who gleefully swallowed it hook, line and sinker) has been revealed as not-so-good, it appears that the press is beginning to wake up. But at this late date it may be much too little way too late.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 5:07 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Mr. Cooper states that the "Republicans seem to want to take away any benefits I get from the government."

    "The Hill" reported on April 8th that the Obama administration reversed cuts to "Medicare Advantage" after pleas from the insurance industry and congressional Democrats who are worried about the senior vote.

    Obamacare meets its budget by cutting over $156 billion from "Medicare Advantage" reimbursements over the next ten years.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 4:51 am on Thu, Apr 10, 2014.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Joanne Bobin, Senator Obama voted FOR for the Cheney "TOP SECRET" energy policy, Senator Clinton voted against it.

    Senator Clinton, voted FOR the Iraq War, Senator Obama was a staunch opponent of the Iraq war.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 5:22 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 322

    "These poll numbers are completely astonishing IF you believe that the people polled actually KNOW anything about the ACA."

    Must've been the same "clueless" Americans who actually believed the "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan" rhetoric...and, I think that language is probably 3rd grade level!

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 4:45 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506


    How about a more condensed version of Mr. Coopers letter.

    Republicans are bad and Mr. Obama thinks he's really neat.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Ms Bobin, you do know that Senator Barack Hussein Obama voted for Vice President Dick Cheney's TOP SECRET energy policy.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:00 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    Joanne don't forget the most recent report by the Senate Intelligence Committee that shows cheney and rumsfeld were flat out lying about the types of torture taking place and the lack of results from it. I wonder why none of our local conspiracy theorist aren't all over that? Why aren't Andrew and Brian delving into the dark shadows of conspiracy, where is Joe and Jerome complaining that government is corrupt? Only Silence.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:22 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1483

    Real Clear politics polling average which includes Rasmussen and Fox as well as NY Times and others shows 52 percent of the nation view Obamacare unfavorable while 40 percent view it favorably at this time I don't think that's to bad especially after the right has spent a half a billion dollars in negative advertising heck with that much money you could convince people that Hershey bars taste bad.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    These poll numbers are completely astonishing IF you believe that the people polled actually KNOW anything about the ACA.

    Like most current events, Americans are generally clueless or let FOX News do the thinking for them.

    It's a good thing that the media gears their language to the 8th grade level, otherwise those 43% would have answered, "What is the ACA?"

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:56 pm on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "it was borne out of the most guarded, hidden and chicanery-ridden activity that to ignore it now would be worse than reckless - it would be criminal.

    Kinda like he Iraq War and Richard Cheney's TOP SECRET energy policy (that somehow, for some reason, included getting US control over some large oil deposits in the Middle East).

    IT WAS CRIMINAL!!

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 10:21 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    From todays news

    "A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 23% of Likely U.S. Voters view Obamacare as a success so far. Twice as many (46%) describe the health care law as a failure. "

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2349

    My hackles always rise when anyone - for whatever reason - advises me to "get over" anything. Insofar as the ACA is concerned, there is far too much un-reconciled that would even hint that it should be simply left alone; it's far too big and far too important; it touches virtually every American citizen and will do so for decades to come; it was borne out of the most guarded, hidden and chicanery-ridden activity that to ignore it now would be worse than reckless - it would be criminal.

    So fast forward to Mr. Cooper's last paragraph. Exactly what benefits might he be referring to that the Republicans wish to take away? Leaving us hanging like that really isn't fair.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:41 am on Wed, Apr 9, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    It amazes me how Mr. Cooper tries to make it look like "Free market capitalism" is an exclusive idea of the right and it should be avoided like the plague. In his attempts to do exploit this he not only makes himself look foolish, he also is unknowingly critica of a large segment of the foundation of America.But don't let me deny him the opionion that a large central government is the driving force behind economic prosperity and the free markets have nothing to do with economic prosperity.

     

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