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Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:00 am

This letter is in response to "Cops grapple with ammo shortage" from your April 9 edition.

First, a quote from our president back on Sept. 9, 2008: "I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away. ... I am not going to take your guns away."

I never believed him for a second then, and look what we have now. Even our sworn protectors cannot get ammo for practice.

Thanks for bringing us together, Barack. We get one more lie fed to us by you and your ilk. The fear of you and your agenda is like a wildfire. You have lumped the law-abiding, taxpaying citizens in with the Adam Lanzas and evil felons of this world. Nice work!

Is the First Amendment next, Mr. President?

Bill Keller

Acampo

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91 comments:

  • Thomas Love posted at 9:29 am on Thu, Apr 18, 2013.

    Thomas Love Posts: 4

    Washington should be ashamed of themselves as there is no effort to curb gun control.

    For all those who believe that their 2nd right is being taken away, you can have an assault weapon if you are being attacked by Syrian rebels. Otherwise, why would you need an AK-47?

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:48 am on Sat, Apr 13, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    Alinski rules#2,4,5,6,8,10,11,12,13.[beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:01 am on Sat, Apr 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    And I thought the topic of Mr. Keller's letter was the nationwide shortage of ammunition...
    [lol][lol][lol]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Apr 13, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    That goes both ways.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:28 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Sept. 9, 2008: "I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your guns away."

    NEWSFLASH!!! President Pinnocchio lied.

    Remember all those who denied that firearms confiscation was to “insane” to even consider? That it was strictly in the realm of “paranoid conspiracy theorists” and the “it cant happen here crowd”? There’s just one huge problem. It IS happening right now in New York State. UNDER THE RADAR as promised of course.

    Yes, those of us that have been desperately trying to warn others of such an insidious plot have been proven correct once again. News came from multiple NY State based firearms enthusiast websites late today that confiscations of Pistol Owner ID Cards, as well as firearms and accessories has commenced in NY under the provisions of the horribly flawed, draconian and blatantly unconstitutional NY SAFE Act.

    Now, before any of you ignorantly state something like “this is nothing more then a paranoid, unsubstantiated rumor on a “gun nuts” internet forum Attorney James Tresmond welcomes anyone to visit his website tresmondlaw.com, Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/james.tresmond.7 ), or send him an email @ TresmondLaw@gmail.com

    This is an unprecedented violation of a Citizens 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment RIGHTS, brought to fruition by power and control hungry tyrants holding elected office who swore an Oath to uphold and defend the very rights they are now actively stripping.


     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:20 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Unable or unwilling to answer either question Walter?[sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:47 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 984

    Wake sheep!

    The Shepard calls out...

    To his faithful flock of the weak minded.

    It's time for your daily feeding... Oh, I mean...

    Alex Jones live Monday thru Friday from 11:00AM—2:00PM Central

    http://www.infowars.com/listen-on-the-internet/

    Its baaaaaaaaaad!!


    [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:27 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    visit wakesheep.com [beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:17 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Perhaps you would be willing to help me then Mr. Tillett.
    From your 1st article:
    “Did the ideas behind ObamaCare originate at the Heritage Foundation? I would say ‘no.’"

    How does one magically morph that statement into...

    "I did acurately attribute the concept of the individual mandate to the heritage foundation"

    ???[huh]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:10 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Instead of waiting for Walter to explain perhaps you could enlighten me as to what Walter meant by his post.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:56 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    [thumbup]...
    The ignorance as of late concerning DHS ammo solicitations has been ridiculous Mr. Baxter. It's refreshing to see someone with a pulse show up.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:44 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    OK...
    The Associated Press originated the story if you must know, which is merely regurgitating DHS' talking points contained in the following letter.

    http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=ce355026-b2cc-48b7-bed2-b965bd69fecb

    and here is the quote attributed to Ms. Dixon...

    "Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises."

    Mr. Tillett, you are attempting to debate an issue you obviously know little about but do take comfort in the fact that you are not alone.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:28 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1791

    With the exception of 22 cal & 410 shotgun shells, I have been reloading for over 30 years. No ammo shortage here. Now i even reload 9mm and others that were cheaper than reloadiing just a short while ago.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:14 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Amendment X to the United States Constitution defines the total scope of federal power as being that which has been delegated by the people of the several states to the federal government, and all power not delegated to the federal government in the Constitution of the United States is reserved to the states respectively, or to the people themselves.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:02 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    OK your petition comment got to me and I watched the video. That was freakin hilarious. I mean your kidding right you don't really think that says anything about anything do you. Either way that's funny, made my day and yes I think that many of the masses are completely tuned out but this does not make your conspiracy theories any more accurate. Cheers.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:59 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    If I'm against Obamacare and you are pro Obamacare shouldn't you be the one willing to pay others bills?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:53 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Would you have signed the petition Ms. Bobin? [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:51 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    You clearly didn't understand Walter's post... Perhaps he'll explain...[lol]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 5:44 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    States aren't the last word on constitutionality the Supreme court is and there are plenty of states that agree with the Supreme court.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:41 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Are you kidding? What does a bill become? A LAW!

    You said there was no law to even read at this point. S. 49 is a bill that may become the law. Why can't you read it?

    Senator Dianne Feinstein said, “I only know what people have told me."

    You are telling me the same thing. READ the BILL! [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:33 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    I think that we should eliminate Obamacare and just have all uninsured citizens direct their medical bills to Mr. Leebick's address.

    At least then they will still have to be paid by a taxpayer and Mr. Leebick will be happy that this "unconstitutional law" has been eliminated.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:31 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Do you have any idea how many states currently disagree with you?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:30 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    As usual, Mr. Leebick feels he is entitled to his own facts.

    And if you don't believe HIS facts, he will inevitably back them up with a youtube video that we are expected to believe proves HIS point.

    You DO know that youtube videos are uploaded by anyone with a youtube account, right, Mr. Leebick?

    For all we know, all of your youtubes have been created in the Alex Jones Conspiracy Theory Laboratories where they make just about ANYTHING come out of President Obama's mouth, whether he actually said it or not.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 5:27 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Awesome.

    I think you've troubled Andrew he has responded to your poem with a very serious question about DHS buying ammo.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:24 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Mark Dice isn't YouTube. Mark Dice is Mark Dice. The individuals in Dice's video are very much like many individuals who frequent this forum. There really is no debate.

    Would you have signed his petition Eric?...[lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:18 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    FYI, Google and Yahoo are NOT ISP providers. You guessed correctly about aol.

    How's that dial-up doing for you?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:16 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Whatever it is you are trying to mock here, mr. maurer, sorry, I don't get your joke, which apparently you THINK is being made at my expense.

    Precedent BTW (not what YOU think it is):

    1.
    Law. a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases.

    2.
    any act, decision, or case that serves as a guide or justification for subsequent situations.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:15 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    [lol]... Walter,
    Why did DHS purchase 2.6 BILLION rounds of ammo over the last 10 months? Do you share the belief of some that these purchases are "routine"?

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 5:13 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    It could be because you seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 5:12 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    cite and source her quote, please. don't tell me what some guy on youtube told you she said.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:34 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 984

    "zombie-like mental state"

    Wake sheep!

    Barack Obama is baaaaaaaaaad.

    Wake sheep!

    Reasonable gun control is baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad.

    Wake sheep!

    Accessible healthcare for all is baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad.

    Wake sheep!

    The government is modifying the weather!

    Baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaaad...

    ...

    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:54 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Why on earth would you insinuate that I have a reading comprehension problem?

    I read all of the articles you provided and I listed direct quotes from them disproving your position.

    Good grief! [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:47 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    The DHS has purchased 173 YEARS worth of ammunition in the last 10 months.
    [sleeping]

    She said DHS has solicited 2.6 BILLION rounds of ammo because they use 15 MILLION rounds a year to train.

    Do the math. [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:17 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Oh well I didn't realize you had a You Tube video to prove your point. In light of this recent discovery I will cease and desist the debate. I mean how a guy gonna fight rock solid evidence provided by the exemplary organization that is You Tube

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:40 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    you can call it whatever you please obamacare went before the supreme court and came out mostly intact and when you say it is unconstitutional you are incorrect. The body of government that is charged with deciding if laws are constitutional or not have decided. It isn't complicated unless you have reason to muddy the issue.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:20 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    The public’s zombie-like mental state is what will allow Obama to get his gun ban through. Mark Dice shows how people are literally in a trance.

    http://youtu.be/2diNojgJF9c

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:13 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    As are the majority of Americans right Eric...[sleeping]

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/callouts/health-care-case/

    Forcing US citizens to get health insurance whether they want it or not under Obamacare is unconstitutional. When Obamacare was upheld by the Supreme Court it was done so by classifying mandatory health insurance as a tax, otherwise the whole bill would have been unconstitutional.

    Justice Anthony Kennedy, and Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito all argued that there was a “mountain of evidence” that the mandate is not a tax. “To say that the individual mandate merely imposes a tax is not to interpret the statute but to rewrite it.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:03 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    wow.

    http://www.muskingum.edu/~cal/database/general/reading.html

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:01 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    idk, what has she said/done to perpetuate/refute the myth?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:55 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    "I did acurately attribute the concept of the individual mandate to the heritage foundation"

    No, you did not as clearly indicated in the 7 articles you yourself provided... [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:40 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    I didn't say it wasn't a bill. I said it is not a law. The vote was to start debating the bill so that they can eventually vote on a proposed law (or not, if it is filibustered)

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:39 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    but still constitutional so when you say that Obamacare is unconstitutional technically you are incorrect.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:24 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    S. 49 isn't a bill? [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:22 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Are you honestly suggesting that Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga. is perpetuating a "myth"?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:13 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    “The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support.”

    precisely. which is why Eric was correct at 9:24. He campaigned on universal health care. Instead they hoped to get a compromise by using a conservative alternative.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:09 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    or, more accurately, a "myth".

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Great-DHS-Ammunition-Stockpile-Myth

    Breitbart?

    Breitbart.

    Huff Post?

    No, Breitbart.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:59 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    Um... that's because they were voting to move to debate, not from it. They voted to agree to START the process of making a law. Thus there is no law to be voted on, or even read at this point. But imagine that fact about the threat of the filibuster: they weren't refusing a vote on a bill, they were refusing to even debate the development of a bill. That's why there were so many R defectors.

    And yes, the SC has already ruled that the 2nd Ammend is not absolute. There can be restrictions. see: RPG's, mortars, tanks.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:59 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Yes Mr. Barrow, by declaring it a tax.[sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:51 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Here is just one example among many:
    The law that would have required gun dealers in border states to report sales of two or more semi-automatic rifles to the ATF was “stripped entirely from the text of the regulation” when it came up for a vote in Congress on April 15, 2011 but as part of the Obama administration’s dictatorial zeal to accomplish its agenda outside of the law, the program is going ahead anyway UNDER THE RADAR.

    The federal government is enforcing a law that was never passed.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:47 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    I think the Supreme Court has already addressed the constitutionality of Obamacare

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:38 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    A new precedent perhaps? Bobin; a precedent is a new ruling,strategy,etc. that has been establshed, not to be confused with president which is the leader of our country.Some need to read more of Mrs.Paden's columns.[lol]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:25 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Mr. Mauer: I do agree that on the range, it doesn't matter if you are liberal or conservative. Talking guns has no right or left (unless you are a south paw). But when I go to any store to buy ammunition or a gun, the political talk turns to the right. And this is where I hear a lot of the hysterical talk. If most liberals are not into guns (I think this true or at least it's a stereotype) then you are unlikely to encounter them in a location where guns and ammo are sold, so most of the individuals within that establishment will be conservative. I haven't heard a single "liberal" complain about proposed legislation. The fact is, those on the right tend to be gun owners and buyers of ammunition. Those on the left, who are not gun owners aren't buying ammo and would not be in an establishment where its sold ( and I'm not talking about Big 5 or Walmart). I haven't heard about any proposed legislation anywhere but while buying guns and ammunition.
    Anyway, liberals are not driving the shortages of ammo or guns. Mass buying by predominantly conservitive individuals is causing the shortage. And there is no reason for it. In spite of slight changes these last 2 or three days which have been introduced, I don't see any changes at the federal level at all, possibly there might be some changes statewide, but I doubt there will be any sweeping reforms.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:20 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Are the Democrats trying to move the gun bill forward without allowing senators to read it? Apparently they are. Like the disastrous and unconstitutional Obamacare bill rammed down the throats of the American people, the unconstitutional S. 49 gun bill aimed at the heart of the Second Amendment passed cloture yesterday in the Senate with 68 votes despite the fact senators have not had a chance to read it.

    “Well, I haven’t seen the bill, so I’m going to reserve my concerns,” California Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein told Morning Joe. “I only know what people have told me.”
    [sleeping]

    http://youtu.be/9-JsJfpcXqY


     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:15 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Let me qualify that with "just what is being done to the 2nd Amendment "under the radar," that:

    Isn't a figment of Alex Jones' imagination or yours, Mr. Leebick?

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:14 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    I used the plural form, not singular,Bobin, read the sentence again and tell me who the english professor is. Don't bet on my weapons being illegal or unregistered;you shall lose. ISP providers are all different i.e. google,aol,yahoo,etc. You haven't figured that out yet?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:14 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Mr. Leebick wrote: "Why do you choose to believe the lies? President Pinnocchio’s “under the radar” assault on the Second Amendment is currently underway."

    Just what is being done to the 2nd Amendment "under the radar?"

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:03 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-meet-with-congressman-on-ammo-purchases/[sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:47 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    "robert maurer" wrote: "EVERY link in regards to her politics, YES. Not her bio or high school or favorite meals junk sites that don't matter."

    You must be looking at a very different website than I am then, mr. maurer, or your brain is just befuddled.

    I see links to all sorts of topics on her "official" site:

    http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/

    BTW - it's "that DOESN'T matter." Maybe if you were more familiar with the English language you could find those other topics on her site.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:39 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    but DHS purchasing 173 years worth of ammo is "routine" Mr. Mauer.
    ROFLMAO[lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:34 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Thank you, Mr. Tillett!

    [lol][lol][lol]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:32 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Mr. Rainwater wrote: "After seeing what Obama did to healthcare, is there really any wonder why so many people are worried about what this administration may do to our right to bare arms?"

    Oh heavens NO!!

    Obama is now banning the wearing of wife beaters and other sleeveless wear??

    You are absolutely right to be concerned about this one, Mr. Rainwater.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:24 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    ROFLMAO[lol]...Atta boy! EPIC FAIL Mr. Tillett.

    From your 1st article:
    “Did the ideas behind ObamaCare originate at the Heritage Foundation? I would say ‘no.’ They originated with [Stanford economist] Alain Enthoven. Heritage played a role.”

    Your 2nd article (written by the same Forbes contributing blogger Avik Roy):
    “Before we get to Stuart’s piece, let’s first step back and discuss the history of the individual mandate. It all started with a piece of legislation passed in 1986 by a Democratic House and a Republican Senate and signed by Ronald Reagan, called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, or EMTALA.”

    AND…

    “Based on my research, I see no contravening evidence to the claim that Stuart Butler and Heritage were the first people to advocate the individual mandate, in the context of a private-sector health-care system.”

    From your 3rd article:
    “Now, the idea itself may have been around for much longer than the documentation I could find online, but the real political push behind the idea seems to have started in 1989.”

    From your 4th article:
    “The mandate, requiring every American to purchase health insurance, appeared in a 1989 published proposal”

    From your 5th article:
    “I don’t think it’s right to suggest that most conservative voters or conservative policy thinkers ever supported it.”

    As far as your 6th reference:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Who_writes_Wikipedia

    From your 7th article:
    “The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support.”

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:02 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    Hmmm. Only hysterical right wingers after Obama's election2008/reelection2012 caused the ammo shortage. C'mon, Mike. A gun enthusiast is a gun enthusiast is a gun enthusiast whether he is left,right,independent, or doesn't give a rat's tail about politics at all. Personally, I could care less about this issue as I have enough ammo to easily last the rest of my life and were accumulated over years and not for political reasons. I stockpiled due to a concern of obsolescence and price . Since my favorite gun is exactly what I heard Obama say he wants off the streets(cheap semi-automatic handguns) yet he later said others would be on that list, that is the main reason for the shortage. Maybe the DHS stockpiling 173 years of ammo had something to do with the shortage. Ya Think? Yes, Obama is after MY gun. I watched and heard him on tv say so as the rest of the nation did also.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:24 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    What he campaigned on was universal coverage or as you say total takeover, what he got unfortunately was less than that. Again you may not like what he accomplished but don't characterize it as fooling America he was very out front during the 2008 campaign.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    yes.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-conservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/the-individual-mandates-c_b_1386716.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/individual-health-care-insurance-mandate-has-long-checkered-past/

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294585/history-individual-mandate-ramesh-ponnuru

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_mandate

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25/120625fa_fact_klein

    and the Heritage Foundation publication itself:
    http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/ci_0891950494.pdf

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:14 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    The ammo shortage is real. The reason for it is not. It (and the accompanying firearm shortage) are the result of right wing hysteria following the re-election of President Obama and of course, the sensless murders in New Town by a mentally ill loner whose mother thought it was a good idea to buy him guns.

    Something similar happened at the end of 2008 and beginning of 2009 when President Obama was sworn in as President. There was no need for mass hysterical guns and ammo purchase then and there is no need for it now.

    Go to any gun store and while you are perusing the slim pickin's, you'll hear story after story of what "they" are going to do. You can't give your son a bullet to shoot at the shooting range. There will be a 5(you choose $ or c) tax on each and every bullet. They're coming for your magazines. They're coming for your guns. You'll have to register to buy bullets. You won't be able to buy bullets over the internet.
    If you think about a gun, you'll go to prison. Well, that last one wasn't true.

    Ammunition is available like Walter says. Maybe not in any caliber or type you want, but if you need 25-06 or 300 WSM or 460 Weatherby, there's a lot of selection. On the internet, I've found that if you place an order, you'll recieve an email the next day tellilng you that what you want is back ordered. If you're looking for 9 MM or 308 cartridges or even the components for reloading, good luck. Although yesterday I was able to score some 308 brass and some 9 MM bullets (for a 357 Sig, not a 9 MM). Last week I picked up a case of Federal 223 or 5.56 at the Outdoor Sportsman. BTW,. 223 and 5.56 are not exactly the same thing even though they are interchangeble and will work in any gun.

    It is easing up, mostly, it's just luck. You being in the right place at the right time.

    Two curriousities to ponder: 1) none of the proposed new laws would have prevented the guy in Connecticutt from going on his rampage, and 2) most of the long arms now available are what many would call "assult weapons", while various hunting rifles and shotguns are hard to get. Go figure.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:01 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    "I did acurately attribute the concept of the individual mandate to the heritage foundation" Are you sure about that Mr. Tillett?

    [lol][lol][lol]http://youtu.be/8_xwnVLC-YQ

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:48 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    The quote originally appeared in an April 11 2011 Washington Post story about Obama’s gun control czar Steve Croley. (see link below) Toward the end of the article the writer, Jason Horowitz, mentions a March 30 meeting between Jim and Sarah Brady and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney during which the President “dropped in.” Horowitz quotes Sarah Brady. Thankfully this reporter chose to report the news.

    Why do you choose to believe the lies? President Pinnocchio’s “under the radar” assault on the Second Amendment is currently underway.
    [sleeping]
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/over-a-barrel-meet-white-house-gun-policy-adviser-steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9EKND_story_1.html

    What is truly startling about this story is the way it has been totally ignored by the rest of the media. Compare the media’s silence with what happened during the 2000 presidential campaign when then NRA Vice-President (and GOP activist) Kayne Robinson told a group of rights supporters in California that electing Bush would mean “we’ll have a president where we work out of their office, unbelievably friendly relations.”

    The media went into a feeding frenzy over this comment to such a degree that Bush distanced himself from the NRA, publicly endorsed reinstatement of the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban and withdrew overt support for the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (a law which shields firearms manufacturers from harassment lawsuits over non-faulty products). The story was carried repeatedly on virtually every major media outlet in the country and it was not based on anything Bush himself had actually said.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:58 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    "Total"?!?!?! When did we get universal, single payer health care.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:56 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    When did I claim republicans voted for the ACA? None voted for it that I know of. I did acurately attribute the concept of the individual mandate to the heritage foundation, the well known conservative think tank. That's why the lack of "conservative" votes was so ironic.

     
  • Will Rainwater posted at 7:27 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Will Rainwater Posts: 35

    he campaigned on transforming America as we know it.... NO argument there!!! There was nothing about the total takeover of 1/7 of the entire US economy!!!

     
  • Will Rainwater posted at 7:25 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Will Rainwater Posts: 35

    Obamacare was passed without ONE single Republican vote in the House OR the Senate Jeff!! Get your facts straight!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:40 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 984

    PS. The American Eagle 44 Magnum from Cabelas is actually a good value!!

    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:37 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 984

    Correction: regarding bullet types, jacketed is the term not jacked.


    [Wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:32 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 984

    "Grapple"

    Folks, don't believe the baloney of the ignorant!!

    Everything listed below is available and in stock.

    Valid driver license and credit card with matching address is all that you need.

    ammoman.com - .223 Remington 55 grain jacked soft point 200 rounds case $299.00 delivered

    ammoman.com - .357 magnum Speer gold dot 125 grain jacked hollow point 500 rounds case $590.00 delivered

    cheaperthendirt.com - 9mm TulAmmo 155 grain full metal jacket 1000 rounds case $1222.39 delivered

    cheaperthendirt.com - .40 S&W Ammocorps 180 grain full metal jacket 1000 rounds case $728.63 delivered

    cabelas.com - 44 Magnum American Eagle 240 grain jacked hollow point 250 rounds (5 boxes max) $243.90 delivered

    cabelas.com - 38 Special American Eagle 158 grain jacked hollow point 250 rounds (5 boxes max) $144.90 delivered


    [Smile]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 4:29 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    not to mention that the individual mandate was a conservative idea, straight from the heritage foundation.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:03 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Not sure how he fooled anyone he campaigned on the issue of reforming health care you may not like what he has done but he never disguised his intentions

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:32 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    EVERY link in regards to her politics, YES. Not her bio or high school or favorite meals junk sites that don't matter.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:00 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Just another example of Mr. Leebick's fantasy world where fiction is fact and fact is fiction.

    Chased any White Rabbits lately, Mr. Leebick? Time to stop smoking what that caterpillar's been smoking.

     
  • Will Rainwater posted at 2:58 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Will Rainwater Posts: 35

    After seeing what Obama did to healthcare, is there really any wonder why so many people are worried about what this administration may do to our right to bare arms? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:52 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Mr. Maurer wrote: Yeah, right. Check out Dianne Feinstein's website. EVERY link is about gun control. ...And she is just one of many..."

    EVERY LINK?

    Really?

    One could NEVER accuse Mr. Maurer of being prone to EXAGGERATION, could one?

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:00 pm on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    http://www.walmart.com/cp/Guns-Rifles-Ammunition/1088608

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:59 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    or not.
    Pants on Fire
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/14/national-rifle-association/barack-obama-coming-after-guns-under-radar-nra-say/

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:02 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    That audio-visual was replayed recently on a fox40 talk show. Does Walmart even sell guns&ammo? Where I'm at, they don't. We go to Cabela's, an outdoor sportsman's paradise.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:29 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Got a link to this, Mr. Leebick? Or a youtube video that hasn't been doctored?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:11 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    Yes, one of many...Remember when Attorney General Eric Holder called for authorities to “brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.”

    Eric and Joanne are living proof it's working...

     
  • Todd Cronin posted at 9:11 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Todd Posts: 96

    True that Joanne!
    The funniest ones are the ones
    that line up at the local Walmarts.........

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:50 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2683

    “I just want you to know that we are working on it (gun control)….We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

    -President Obama 3/30/11
    [sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:44 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 437

    Yea, right. Check out Dianne Feinstein's website. EVERY link is about gun control. ...And she is just one of many...

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:05 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    This is certainly a case of right wing media overdose. I would suggest a week without news take some deep breaths, look around see if the sky is falling and continue on.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:46 am on Thu, Apr 11, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4296

    Obviously, no one is taking your gun away, letter writer. And if crazed gun owners like yourself weren't a bunch of lemmings standing outside of stores stocking up on ammo, there wouldn't be a shortage.

    This is partly a ploy on the part of the NRA, gun manufacturers and ammo manufacturers to boost prices by creating fear among the ignorant.

     

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