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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:18 am, Wed Jun 15, 2011.

In 1898, the Spanish-American War started in Cuba mainly because of the mistreatment of the Cuban people by the Spanish. The war lasted only 10 weeks, and we suffered 3,000 deaths and 1,500 wounded. Then in the Treaty of Paris, it favored the U.S. with temporary control. The Cubans claimed that the U.S. forces were occupation forces when the U.S. flag was raised over the capital instead of the Cuban flag.

The U.S. determined that the Cubans were not fit to govern themselves, so the U.S. occupied the country and was determined to show the Cubans how it was done and how to become a democracy. This was a great expense to have troops and legal professionals take on this task.

As hard as they tried, it just didn't work, and the Cuban people just wanted the U.S. to leave. The Cubans went back to their way of doing things.

Many large American companies were based in Cuba, and because of the low wages they made lots of profit. For the next 50-plus years, the Cuban people resented the Batista government because he kowtowed to the American interests in Cuba.

Then, in 1959, here comes Fidel Castro, and the rest is history.

So what did Cuba and Afghanistan have in common? Both countries were mostly illiterate, and yet we insisted we could teach them how to become a democratic country.

Well, after the loss of many of our young men, women and national treasure, we now know that will never happen because Afghanistan is allowed to supply 80 percent of the world's poppy seeds — that will never change. Then, they have the many tribes who stick together and will never accept any other kind of rule. And we have the corrupt Karzai government, who have most of the money we gave them sitting in private accounts in Switzerland.

Now, most all Americans want us to get out of Afghanistan — well, it can't happen too soon for me.

Walter White

Lodi

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9 comments:

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:35 am on Sat, Jun 18, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Joanne,

    According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:22 am on Sat, Jun 18, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    It's all about equality, not quality, Huh Joanne.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:21 am on Sat, Jun 18, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    And for your own sake Joanne, do yourself a favor and don't repeat what liberals
    always say about the equal healthcare Cubans get, unlike Americans, because
    we all know how bad the healthcare system is in Cuba. In case you aren't aware.
    This is one of the cases being made to advance Obamacare here.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:14 am on Sat, Jun 18, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Chuckle,

    It's only a silly question in your eyes Joanne. Because, for the majority of the population in Cuba the literacy they have doesn't do much good if Castro refuses to allow them to have the rest of the tools to reinvigorate the economy of Cuba. Yes, those doctors trained in Cuba are great. But you didn't even acknowledge my point of Cubans generally having to leave Cuba to be successful and live normal lives. And I don't recall what type of work you do. The point is, I would never disparage you based on your occupation.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:21 am on Fri, Jun 17, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor (the clocktor docktor) apparently does not read all the words. Maybe if I wrote in morse code with tick tocks, you would understand better.

    I was commenting about Mr. White's attempt to make a connection between literacy and the ability of a country's citizens to accept democracy. I said quote:

    "At least Fidel Castro showed the Cubans the benefits of literacy since Cuba is currently second in the world with a 99% literacy rate. Other stuff? Not so good."

    Did you notice the "Other stuff? Not so good," at the end there? NO, too busy trying to balance the pendulums on the grandfather clocks again.

    As dictators go, Castro at least has had some positive accomplishments. Besides achieving 99% literacy, he has also trained a huge amount of physicians and sent many abroad to work in countries lacking in medical care.

    I don't IN ANY WAY endorse Castro's record on human rights violations. But I do support the lifting of the US embargo on Cuba. This has only survived past the Cold War era due to the political strength of the Cubans in Florida who lobby against it. The very Cubans whose corruption precipitatated the Castro take-over.

    Example of Cuban refugees thumbing their nose at the US: an acquaintance whose parent's came to the US after the Castro takeover lived and worked here, retired at SS age, then said F the US and moved with their SS checks to the coast of Spain where US dollars buy a lot more of the luxury they were used to in pre-Castro Cuba. Users and leeches.

    Read about it, Mr. Clocktor Docktor before you ask such silly questions.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:21 am on Fri, Jun 17, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Joanne,

    Pardon me for being so blunt, but can you give us an example how the 99% literacy rate has helped the people in Cuba overcome the complete control of every aspect of their lives by the Castro Regime? Of course the ones who escaped from Cuba have benefitted. But only those.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:13 am on Fri, Jun 17, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Joanne,

    The U.S. intervention in other countries affairs hasn't always had an all-positive
    outcome. Take Japan, for example, their government is very corrupt. However,
    I shudder to think what that country would be like had we not intervened after WWII.

    And yes, a 99% percent literacy rate in Cuba is honorable. However, doesn't really do the people in Cuba much good under the Castro Communist Regime and the U.S. sanctions on the country. But a 99% literacy rate and a stagnant economy is better than nothing? Huh Joanne?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:03 pm on Wed, Jun 15, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    So Mr. White is saying that illiterate people cannot be shown the benefits of "democracy" BECAUSE they are illiterate? At least Fidel Castro showed the Cubans the benefits of literacy since Cuba is currently second in the world with a 99% literacy rate. Other stuff? Not so good.

    I think a better analogy between Cuba and Afghanistan is that both had/have corrupt governments that were/are backed by the US. We seem to do a lot of that around the world (Chile, Panama, Nicaragua, Vietnam).

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:22 am on Wed, Jun 15, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    So what did Cuba and Afghanistan have in common? Both countries were mostly illiterate, and yet we insisted we could teach them how to become a democratic country.

    Is that what you think Mr White? I think it gives the reader a good measure of the value of your thought.

     

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