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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:00 am

During his speech to Planned Parenthood on April 26, Obama invoked God's blessings and mocked North Dakota for their ruling — that once a baby's heartbeat is detected in utero around six weeks, it can no longer be aborted. Clearly, Obama doesn't care or realize that by the time the heart starts beating, the baby is making and circulating his or her own blood with their own DNA and chromosomes. This is a separate and unique human being forming, and not a woman's appendage or tumor.

Obviously, Obama doesn't care about any phase of a baby's development in utero or at birth, as his silence pertaining to the infanticide-tactics of baby butcher Kermit Gosnell speaks volumes. Obama's record on infanticide is also clear, as he voted four times in his career against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

When it comes to the sanctity of life, the actions of Planned Parenthood and their supporters — including Obama — are more in line with the actions of the devil himself, who comes to "steal, kill and destroy." In contrast, Christ came that we "might have life, and might have it abundantly" (John 10:10).

All of us — even Christ — were once in utero, at all stages from conception to birth. In utero and after birth, Christ was still Christ and not Mary's appendage or tumor.

Clearly it couldn't be Christ's blessings that Obama was invoking in his speech. More accurately, he again could have been invoking a blessing from the Ammonite god, Molech, who thrives on the sacrificial killing of children (Leviticus 18:21).

I make this appeal to anyone and everyone who acknowledge themselves as being Christian, and especially to Catholics or Protestants. How can any of you vote for any elected official, including Obama, who holds such an apparent disdain for the sanctity of life?

One day, whether we believe it or not, we'll all stand before our Maker, the true and living God of Life, to give an account for our life. When that day comes for Obama, I don't think he'll be standing in front of Molech.

Ron Houck

Lodi

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92 comments:

  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:29 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Ron,

    Remember It makes sense in John's eyes to throw a woman into psychiatric evaluation if she slashes her wrists. But it's ok if she puts to death an unborn baby.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:23 am on Thu, May 23, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839


    Ron Portal stated:

    Gee, John, you've really bought into all the junk science and vitriol of the left of anything contrary to the left's position. But if you don't believe that tearing a human fetus out of a mother's womb is murder than anything anyone will say will be useless. I just find it amazing that the "faction that believe God had given humans brains and meant them to use them" get so upset about saving whales and dolphins, protest against the executions of convicted murderers and then are so cavalier with the life in a women's body. It's schizophrenic.

    -INDEED!!!!!

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:45 pm on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    No www. Just use keyword globalwarming.org/climate change news and analysis.Good one Eric.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:10 pm on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Typo error; google no global warming. I stand corrected. thanks.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:51 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:51 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If we do nothing tell them to enjoy themselves while they can

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:49 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Great job Eric [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:27 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "The internet began in 1969, when Al Gore was 21."

    Actually, the concept of the Internet began in the 1950's if you want to get technical about it.

    Once again, your ability to analyze is compromised by your smug sense of self-importance and steadfast conviction that you know everything.

    Gore DIDN'T say he invented the Internet.

    Again:

    He was stating that his work in Congress promoted the furthering of Internet technology.

    This is why conservatives are basically ONE DIMENSIONAL. They don't even have a basic command of the English language.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:56 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    This is a great example of conservative thinking don't investigate the information yourself if you agree with it or better yet if it agrees with you by all means give it a thumbs up.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:52 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    Did you even read that article it discusses solar flares not climate change. Where do you get this stuff. The only scientific paper dealing with climate change on the site you referenced states

    an international team of university and NASA scientists examined the relationship between changes in surface temperature and vegetation growth from 45 degrees north latitude to the Arctic Ocean. Results show temperature and vegetation growth at northern latitudes now resemble those found 4 degrees to 6 degrees of latitude farther south as recently as 1982.

    and it goes on to say

    An amplified greenhouse effect is driving the changes, according to Myneni. Increased concentrations of heat-trapping gasses, such as water vapor, carbon dioxide and methane, cause Earth's surface, ocean and lower atmosphere to warm. Warming reduces the extent of polar sea ice and snow cover, and, in turn, the darker ocean and land surfaces absorb more solar energy, thus further heating the air above them.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:43 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The internet began in 1969, when Al Gore was 21.[sleeping]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:52 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    [thumbup] also www.global warming.org/

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:52 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Ms Bobin,

    It works thew other way too. The inconvenient truth.


    Those who choose not to believe that WOMEN often:

    1. Forbid their partners to use birth control.
    2. Sabotage efforts to use birth control.
    3. Refuse to have THEIR TUBES TIED because it is "unwomanly"
    4. Believe that "marital rape" is NOT rape, it is their right to force intercourse on their partners.
    6. As a result of all of the above, when the woman becomes pregnant, they tell the father they are going to have an abortion whether they like it or not.

    Anyone who thinks that these scenarios are NOT played out SOMEWHERE on a daily basis is fooling themselves and blaming men for abortions because they actually HATE men, just like the women described above.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:43 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Last week in the Wall Street Journal; The current levels of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere,approaching 400 parts per million,are low by the standards of geological and plant evolutionary history.Levels were 3000 ppm or more until the paleogene era beginning about 65 million years ago. For most plants and for the animals and humans that use them,more CO2,far from being a "pollutant"in need of reduction,would be a benefit. This is already widely recognized by operators of commercial greenhouses who artificially increase CO2 levels to 1000 ppm or more to improve the growth and quality of their plants. Sources; Harrison Schmitt and William Happer. Schmitt is an adjunct professor of engineering at University of Wisconsin-Madison. Happer is a Professor of Physics at Princeton University and former Director of the Office of Energy Research at the Department of Energy. Read more at www.globalwarming.org/. Yesterday on fox news, Joe Bastardi, chief meteorologist at weatherbell.com explained the cause of Oklahoma's tornadoes as being Pacific air warming and Atlantic air cooling, repeating a pattern of the 1950s after Senator Whitehouse(D)Rhode Island was the first to blame global warming as the cause. Some may or may or may not believe the above news, and those who don't believe it may call it the"Schmitt-house" effect. i have much more important subject matter to teach my grandkids than this.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:41 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Practically everything you have been told by the mainstream scientific community and the media about the alleged detriments of greenhouse gases, and particularly carbon dioxide, appears to be false, according to new data compiled by NASA’s Langley Research Center. As it turns out, all those atmospheric greenhouse gases that Al Gore and all the other global warming hoaxers have long claimed are overheating and destroying our planet are actually cooling it, based on the latest evidence.

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:23 am on Wed, May 22, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "Joe hasn't distorted anything zombies.
    Ms Bobin said, "And seriously, Joe Baxxter, Gore never said he invented the Internet."

    Joe clearly demonstrated that not to be the case."

    Speaking of "oblivious." This is what happens when people cannot analyze information and take it literally at face value.

    When Gore stated, "I took the initiative IN creating the Internet."

    Not "BY" creating the Internet. He was stating that his work in Congress promoted the furthering of Internet technology.

    This is why conservatives are basically ONE DIMENSIONAL. They don't even have a basic command of the English language.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:14 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Well that is going to be an interesting answer to their question. You think it is a good enough excuse? Make no mistake Robert unless we act now we are headed for an ecological disaster. That is what the science says.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:06 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Portal stated: ""As usual you put people in categories..."

    I was the one speaking in broad terms of male dominance over female reproductive choices.

    YOU are the one who said, "Sounds like Joanne is describing the male dominated faith of Islam..."

    Even when you step in it and everyone in the room knows that it is you with the tell-tale stink on the bottom of your shoe, it is always someone else's fault.

    I don't think that you "are an animal," at all, Mr. Portal. I think that your perception of attempting to make a clever retort is misguided and often backfires.

    Like my father used to say - "It's always better to put your brain in gear before you put your mouth in motion."

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:03 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    I took an environmental science college course in 2003(Natural Resourses 2) that has formed my opinion on this subject as well as the Clean Air Car Course in which automotive exhaust emissions,fuel and exhaust systems and complete diagnostic,repair, and testing were covered. Today's vehicles test almost completely clean except for CO2 at about 10-12%. If fuel were a sustainable commodity, this would be totally acceptable, since Bob the Tree needs CO2 to transpire and produce oxygen. When engineers produce an electric car that charges itself,(such as wheels with coils to act as electromagnetic generators) that don't need to be plugged into an outlet, then I'll come aboard. As far as running out of food or water, aquaponic gardening (victory gardening) is a proven continuously sustainable method of producing fresh organic fruits and vegetables as well as clean water year round. I fully support these technologies as long as they are cheaper than what we have now, more beneficial to all, and above all, based on reliability,the free market, and no government funding.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:34 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The climate change issue is not a Conservative or Liberal issue but a scientific one. I have a question for Mr Portal and Mr Maurer both of whom I respect and like. This thing is happening right before our eyes and the science is clear. The only question is have we reached the tipping point of no return? If we do nothing we will reach that point. If we do nothing as both of you advocate how are you going to explain to your children and grandchildren that you robbed them of their future? I guess you can blame Al Gore or the Liberals for you not doing your homework and not taking a good look at the scientific data.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:24 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    One thing for sure ole Bob makes more sense than either you or Mr Baxter

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:35 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    [smile][thumbup]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:06 am on Tue, May 21, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    The 2 bumper stickers that caught my eye on a veteran's old beat up VW rabbit covered with stickers were; 1) Leave a carbon footprint on a liberal's behind. 2) Voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. That set my mood for the model train show I was attending last fall.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:54 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Reality has no respect for denial

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:44 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) has direct ties to both Al Gore and Maurice Strong, two figures intimately involved with a long standing movement to use the theory of man made global warming as a mechanism for profit and social engineering.

    Gore’s investment company, Generation Investment Management, which sells carbon offset opportunities, is the largest shareholder of CCX.

    Maurice Strong, who is regularly credited as founding father of the modern environmental movement, serves on the board of directors of CCX.

    For heavens sake Mr. Lucas... The would-be ‘EcoProphet’ and media-darling Al Gore has been thoroughly discredited– along with the science-imposters of the highly-politicized IPCC.
    [sleeping]

    Welcome to the world of Mr. Lucas... http://youtu.be/tuh3MF6nN7Q

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:21 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The fact that YOU talk to a tree named Bob hasn't anything to do with Mr. Baxter or myself.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 4:07 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    You really think of me as an animal, don't you. I have three sisters, was raised by my mom without help from my father who was always in another land war, I have three daughters with no brothers or sons. There is no excuse for rape...period. As usual you put people in categories and look at them as groups or races or political philosophies but never as individuals. That's why liberalism fails in everything they attempt. You can't know how each individual will react to your so called liberal "help". And with this liberal belief that this group, race, political persuasion will react in the way you deem it should and then comes out completely different you blame it on the group, race, etc. and not your own pre-conceived [and incorrect] assumptions of these groups. It's never the liberals fault...they meant well but....

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:48 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You guys kill me. You talk all that self righteous religious nonsense and then you make fun of someone who meditates and prays. It would be much more funny if it was not so sad. You do realize that it says much more about yourself than it does of me?

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 3:45 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    I was driving my big rig [ which carries chemicals to grow food for millions ] down the road in the Bay Area and a huge Ford pick-up drove by me with a sticker on the back window that read, "Global Warmer". I just had to smile. Reminded me of AlGore who has a bigger carbon footprint than the 101st Airborne...but he's liberal and the rules are for other people...not for our blessed liberals.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 3:29 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Forgive me, Joanne, I keep forgetting that liberals don't "hate" for they are of the persuasion that they hold at all times the moral high ground. Saving me from myself and saving nature from the plague of man. But the problem here is that everything the liberal does always victimizes the very people they claim to love and are here on earth to protect...the poor. One example...600 million people live without electricity in India but Greenpeace [which I believe has been designated as a pirate organization by the courts] campaigned against the incandescent lightbulb because it emits carbon dioxide apparently forgetting that 600 million people use kerosene to light their homes and its polluting effects. The light-bulb is "a hazardous product to everyone" they declared and accused Philips Electronics, India's major lightbulb producer as a "climate criminal." Thank the green god that Greenpeace got to India on time!! As far as showing my prejudice against Islam...what I say about this organization of death is all the cold hard facts. Take Syria for one example...I hear reports that anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 civilians have been slaughtered in about two years of fighting. Who killed all these Muslim women, children ...people of all ages? Muslims killed these people...this so called religion of peace is actually a killing machine called Islam. And because I and others report this WE are the prejudiced ones. The American press is silent on all the Christian church burnings, murders of priests and their congregations, the rape of their women, the mass exodus that is occurring in Northern Africa to escape this death machine of Islam. Do you think by standing up for these thugs is your expression of tolerance [for we know that liberals are the most tolerant amongst us...that is until you disagree with them]. Go ahead, Joanne, keep doing it for a system that has no rights for women, children, the press, religion and all the other freedoms we take for granted and if , God forbid, this country is taken over by this organization of death [I refuse to call it a religion] then you and your fellow travelers that stood up for them will be the first put up against the wall and cut to pieces. Of course, that's after the most holy men of Islam have their way with you. And that's reality...global warming is a fantasy dreamed up to extract as much money out of gov't that they can. Anyone remember the nuclear winter that was going to kill us or that the oceans would be dead by the 1990"s? The examples are endless in this fantasy of man destroying earth...it ain't never [double negative on purpose] going to happen. As it has been said the enviro-Nazis want us to return to the 17th or 18th century while the Islamists want us to go back to the 7th. I prefer to live in the present, thank you.


     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:05 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Andrew, it saddens me that I must leave Coronado tomorrow. Been here for a month and never did find Bob the Tree. Maybe I will have better luck the next trip down.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:00 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Andrew, don't you know facts make liberal heads explode? They only have brain receptors for what the liberal media and liberal politicians tell them.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:13 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I 2 3 Classy!!! [beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:04 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Lucas,
    Have you had many CO2 conversations with your friend Bob the Tree?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:55 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Joe hasn't distorted anything zombies.
    Ms Bobin said, "And seriously, Joe Baxxter, Gore never said he invented the Internet."

    Joe clearly demonstrated that not to be the case.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:37 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Sorry, Bobbin. I bought and paid for these condos and rental units. I own them.Different rental agencies manage the properties for a fee and the rest goes in my bank. You slacking at work on the internet?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:21 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup][smile]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:00 pm on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    Doesn't change the fact that Joanne cold busted you trying to distort the facts but then you are a conservative. Only way they make any sense at all is by twisting facts.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:09 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ron: We have some prime examples right in the news today - the number of women in the "MALE DOMINATED" US military who have been raped, some repeatedly.

    But I can imagine that you would come up with some excuse like "they were asking for it," or "what did they expect?"

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:09 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Bobbin, for your eyes only. Shhhh, don't tell John Lucas.
    "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" Gore said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.
    Here is an interesting read regarding Mr. "Go Green" Gore.
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
    Try googling Al Gore and Occidental Petroleum to see the epitome of his hypocrisy.
    I wonder if his wealthy influential parents, opening doors for Al to interview prominent TV reporters for his paper, had anything to do with his grade of "A" on that paper.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:55 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [beam]

    Fantastic, Mr. Maurer. My mom would always embarrass us four kids by saying we were each the result of a different form of failed birth control (whatever was available between 1948 and 1961 - her first and last born, but at least she had the "luxury" of having her kids 3, 4 & 6 years apart.

    Back in the day, the more kids you had, the greater the potential "work force" you had, but I'd be willing to bet that many women could have sufficed with several less.

    When my daughter attended youth group at TBC here in Lodi, she would comment on the numbers of her peers who were marrying at 17 and 18, not even waiting for college or college graduation.

    Her assessment? Christians have to marry early because they desperately want to have sex, but most cannot face the church's stance on premarital sex. By the time they were 21, most had at least 2 or 3 kids, which begs the question - What is stronger? Sex drive or the desire to procreate?

    Probably the former, but these Christian kids had to live with the results. Funny, divorce didn't seem to be a big concern as most called it quits after 4 or 5 years (and two to four kids).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:37 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [beam][thumbup]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:57 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    [thumbup] A true statement: If you found what you looked for in any type of store, thank a truck driver. Source; bumper sticker on a big rig.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:32 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I spent 10 years of my life hauling produce to Boston. I have trained many drivers right out of trucking school. After you close the doors in California with a new driver we would be at the dock in Boston in 58 hours. It takes a lot out of someone new to trucking. I would tell the new driver that big cities have three days of food on hand and if it was not for idiots like us they would starve in a very short time and they should be proud. I liked it because it was real and needed to be done. I will never apologize for it. Your attack on what I did for a living was a distraction and another series in a long series of personal attacks
    As to this:

    I admitted that man IS responsible for contributing to global warming but the contribution is miniscule in proportion to other natural causitive factors. You can lose sleep over it, not me.
    Well that is a start. You are wrong of course. Yes I think about it a lot. It is the sucker in me. I care about those who follow me.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:55 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    So John, when did you decide to get all concerned about "man-made" global warming. Before or after your many years of driving up and down American highways in a CO2 spewing truck? It would seem to me that you would have found a vocation that left a smaller carbon footprint. if you were actually that concerned. I admitted that man IS responsible for contributing to global warming but the contribution is miniscule in proportion to other natural causitive factors. You can lose sleep over it, not me.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:47 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Large families are still common among cultures in subsistent living environments.Before the great depression, many americans had large families. My grandparents had 7. Grandma was very religious, but one day pointed out some sinners at her church and her words still make me smile:"They sew their wild oats on Saturday night,then come to church Sunday morning and pray for crop failure." At the appropriate time, my parents talked to me about this serious subject and each one ended it with humorous quips. My mom said" Early to bed,early to rise,9 months later you have a surprise." My dad said " In the days of old and nights were cold and condoms weren't invented; men tied socks over their c.... so babies were prevented.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:20 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne, thanks for pointing out the more obvious of Mr. Baxter's lies and misrepresentations. A real part of right wing strategy is to throw so much nonsense on the wall that one cannot a have a clear conversation. Andrew does the same thing with constant barrage of web sites he posts. It works for we as a people are not working on the real problems that we face. Thank you for what you do in calling them on their nonsense.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:00 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    New one - you apparently cannot say that someone graduated c um laude without the LNS profanity filter thinking you are using a vulgarity!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:58 am on Mon, May 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxxter wrote: "So, you and old Al know more than all 31,487 American scientists that say man made global warming is B S. That's funny stuff."

    What's "funny stuff" is Joe Baxxter Googling an issue and regurgitating only the information that agrees with his opinion.

    Read the facts about Joe Baxxter's "expert" information:

    http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence

    And seriously, Joe Baxxter, Gore never said he invented the Internet. So unless you have absolutely convincing evidence that he claims he invented the Internet, quit with the juvenile references to an event that never happened.

    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

    As for grades - another Joe Baxxter falsehood (what else?):

    His grades during his first two years put him in the lower one-fifth of the class.
    junior and senior years, he became more involved with his studies, earning As and B s In his senior year, he took a class with oceanographer and global warming theorist Roger Revelle, who sparked Gore's interest in global warming and other environmental issues. Gore earned an A on his thesis, "The Impact of Television on the Conduct of the Presidency, 1947-1969", and graduated with an A.B. c um laude in June 1969.

    But I suppose that Mr. Baxxter's "research" only extends to the "facts" that he would like to hear.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:18 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    That's pretty rich, Ron. MY hatreds?

    There are many, many societies in the world that are male dominated, including certain factions of American society, but you chose to name Islam.

    I think you pretty much illustrated your prejudice with your comment and now you want to put some type of blame on me for what you call my "hatreds."

    You ARE quite transparent and it seems you fit the mold perfectly.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:33 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe Baxter said:

    there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane gas or any other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of Earth's atmosphere and disruption of Earth's climate.

    There are two things wrong with this statement. The obvious is that it is factually incorrect. I will repeat again. The scientific community overwhelmingly says the opposite. Independent study after study has come to the opposite conclusion. Oil company commercials are starting to backtrack on their previous claims. We can see it with our own eyes. The only studies that even somewhat agree are made by people who stand to gain financially mainly the fossil fuel industry.

    The second is political and is about character and the difference between people like Mr Baxter and myself. I am interested in finding the truth, Mr Baxter wants to be right. More than a few times on these pages when confronted with an error I have admitted it, made amends and moved on. We all screw up. Mr Baxter never has admitted to making an error and he is impervious to argument and evidence to that which is contrary to his opinion. To be mistaken or wrong is something he cannot deal with. It boils down to a character issue.

    In most political battles the arguments go back and forth and we all have our fun. This issue is way too important. We are talking about the future of our children and grandchildren. Those who for what ever reason cannot see the truth of what is happening before our very eyes need to be called out every time they repeat the lies and propaganda of those who do not care about the future of our children and grandchildren but only their short term profits.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:51 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are right. Not suffering stupid people is is a personal character defect I am always having to fight. Arrogance combined with stupidity is really hard to not comment on. I will try to ignore it in the future but the combination is so ugly and potent it is very hard to resist.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:38 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    "Still duber than a box of rocks", now that I will admit is a personal attack directed at Mr. Al "I invented the iinternet" Gore, but true nonetheless.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:47 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    So, you and old Al know more than all 31,487 American scientists that say man made global warming is BS. That's funny stuff. You choose to believe a college flunk out over credible accredited scientists. The only reason Gore buckled down and made grades marginal enough to eventually graduate was to avoid military service. He is still dumber than a box of rocks. Did you buy a computer that is only capable of coming up with the results you WANT?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:39 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Since when are FACTS about someone attacking them personally? Oh, I forgot, in the LIBERAL world that is the rules.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:38 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Typical "I know everything" Lucas retort. You are good for making me laugh, if nothiing else.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:07 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Personal attacks are not evidence of the reality of what is happening. It implies the weakness of your argument. It is the main weapon of the weak minded. As we have noted before it is just about all you have.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:04 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There are no credible studies stating what you are saying. The overwhelming evidence states that the Earth is warming and the cause is man made and is that we are putting too much carbon in the atmosphere. That is overwhelming view of the scientific community.and every credible study. The exceptions being studies put out by those whose short term economic interests would be hurt by the truth of what is happening.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 3:25 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Settle down, Joanne, I gave one example of what you were talking about. I didn't say or imply that Islam is the only example of male domination of women. Don't let your hatreds get the best of you...

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:27 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    I guess we really should pay credence to Al Gore. A dismal student at best. He garned a string of "F"'s in college, flunking out twice. And his impressive "D" he "earned" in a Natural Sciences 6 course presciently named "Man's Place in Nature."
    His family tobacco farming operations earned millions, killing millions. What a hero.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:23 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Perhaps you can explain why 31, 487 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhD’s have signed a petition that states, in part, that there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane gas or any other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of Earth's atmosphere and disruption of Earth's climate. Hate to burst you bubble, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. I have the ability to investigate matters and make my own decisions. Something you should really try yourself sometime.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:19 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ron Portal wrote: "Sounds like Joanne is describing the male dominated faith of Islam..."

    You have to be really obtuse if you believe that Muslims have the market on male domination sewed up, Mr. Portal. Both you and Mr. Kinderman should step outside your little bubbles where you think men and women are equal (except when women want to compete in occupations for which YOU don't think they could possibly qualify. You think every male/female relationship shares in making reproductive decisions.

    Our culture even celebrates this behavior with reality shows that depict women who have been brainwashed into thinking that God actually wanted them to produce 19 children "and counting" (and that doesn't even include all of the miscarriages this woman has experienced.

    My dad's mother produced 11 children - lucky for her, her husband died at an early age or she probably would have had 11 more. She barely had time, literally, to squat down in the corner to pop one out before "daddy" was ready to impregnate her again.

    And they were far from being Muslim. They were poor, white and ignorant.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 12:49 pm on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Sounds like Joanne is describing the male dominated faith of Islam...

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:47 am on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I do not get my information from Mother Jones. I get it from real scientists who have studied the problem for years. You get get yours from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity neither of which could bothered to go to a university.You are like a man who has jumped off a ten story building and halfway down thinks everything is going to be ok.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:30 am on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    I have done my "homework". I have been following Mr. "I invented the internet" Gore since he first started spouting off his one sided global warming claims. He is making big money by scaring people. I am surprised he hasn't picked up on how cow farts are destroying the ozone layer like crackpots before him and forming a company to eliminate cows. I wonder what he would be pushing if he didn't stand to gain financially. Really, John, you gotta quit believing everything you read on Mother Jones.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:11 am on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    We should call Mr. Baxxter the "convenient scientist." When science suits his purposes, he's all for it.

    When it runs contrary to his imagination, it's all bunk.

    Sorry to hear that you got caught up in that timeshare craze of a couple of decades ago. I hope all those blenders and toasters you earned by purchasing timeshares all over the planet are still serving you well.

    And once you've got one of those timeshares I understand they are a real pain to unload on the next unsuspecting victim.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:03 am on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730


    Joe Baxter said:
    97% of the scientific community support his views? Hogwash!! Maybe 97% agree the earth is warming but not because of anything man is doing. The earth is warming as a natural cyclical occurence. Not the first time, not the last. Gore is just selling umbrellas during a rainstorm.


    Wrong again, Joe. You really have to get out of the right wing bubble. There is a broad consensus among the scientists that climate change is real and will get much worse. The only ones that disagree are a very few who make big buck fronting for the fossil fuel industry. They are the same people who put out the propaganda and lies that people like you fall for. This is the Iraq war all over again. The same people put out the lies and propaganda are suckering you again. The only problem tho time is we will not just have one of the worst foreign policy disasters of all time that cost which cost 2 trillion dollars and thousands of innocent live and made Iran much, much more powerful. This time we are talking about the survival of the human race. Maybe just maybe could you just do your homework this time?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:01 am on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:26 am on Sun, May 19, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    97% of the scientific community support his views? Hogwash!! Maybe 97% agree the earth is warming but not because of anything man is doing. The earth is warming as a natural cyclical occurence. Not the first time, not the last. Gore is just selling umbrellas during a rainstorm.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:34 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Democrats, WMD's & The Iraq War... http://youtu.be/iSwSDvgw5Uc
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:38 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This reminds me of the Iraq war. Wolfowitz said Iraqi oil would pay for it. Dick Cheney said we would be greeted as liberators. They all said we would find WMD's and he had a working A bomb in progress. They were of course all wrong. With climate change they are just as wrong. The problem this time is by the time they get the reality of the situation it will be too late. Have the Republicans ever been right about anything?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:30 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If men could get pregnant abortion would be a Sacrament. I forgot who said it but there i truth to that.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:26 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I think we should quit calling you Mr Baxter. We should go with Mr. Personal attack as that seems to be all you have.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:42 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Bobbin I thought you were knowledable in all areas of education. Evidently astrology escaped your area of study. We have been able to determine planet surface temperatures for decades and it is getting more accurate as the methods improve. No need to send any measuring equipment to Uranus but if you would like to volunteer to go, I will vouch for you.
    I have plenty of rentals on planet earth, thank you, but if I ever get one on the Sun, I will let you stay there FREE.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    How could it possibly be "proven" that ALL planets are experiencing somewhat of a warming trend when we HAVE NOT sent any type of equipment to them to measure that.

    But I'd be willing to bet that YOU own rental properties on ALL of those planets, eh, Mr. Baxxter?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:13 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Unfortunately, abortion will never be "obliterated" until those who are anti-abortion are willing to concede that birth control is the best method of preventing abortions.

    Until those who believe that WOMEN are the sole owners of reproductive decisions to the exclusion of their partners, abortion will not be "obliterated."

    Those who choose not to believe that MEN often:

    1. Forbid their partners to use birth control.
    2. Sabotage efforts to use birth control.
    3. Refuse to use condoms because it is "unmanly."
    4. Refuse to have a vasectomy because it is "unmanly."
    5. Believe that "marital rape" is NOT rape, it is their right to force intercourse on their partners.
    6. As a result of all of the above, when the woman becomes pregnant, force their partners to have an abortion.

    Anyone who thinks that these scenarios are NOT played out SOMEWHERE on a daily basis is fooling themselves and blaming women for abortions because they actually HATE women, just like the men described above.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:55 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Really? Yes he is willing to do so as opposed to the people causing the problem the oil and coal companies. All this is just nonsense. You and others like you refuse to acknowledge to the reality of the coming ecological disaster and keep carrying the water for those who are really profiting by us not doing anything about it. The issue is not personal character it is whether or not he is telling the truth. 97% of the scientific community support his views.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:40 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    An another fine example of "Do as I say, not as I do" from our liberal friends.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:39 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

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  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:25 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    I have no respect for people like Al Gore or Ted Danson. They put themselves out as experts on the future of the planet to instill fear into the ignorant masses that results in nothing but to separate money from people. Just as Gore himself built that incredible mansion in Tennessee that has one of the biggest carbon footprints in the region, at least he has the resources to purchase all the carbon credits he needs to get by when others will be scurrying about trying to come up with the cash to secure their ability to live one-tenth as well as he does. There's a word for that, isn't there Mr. Lucas? It's called hypocrisy. Just another example of liberalism run amuck.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:12 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1847

    Al Gore is like a biblical prophet? That should be spelled PROFIT, sans the biblical part. Al Gore and his affiliate commercial enterprises are getting filthy rich peddling junk science. It has been proven that ALL planets are experiencing somewhat of warming trend. Nasty factories and SUV's on Uranus and Jupiter will destroy those two planets.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:16 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Part of me wishes you would get your way for the Republican party will cease to exit as a political party with any power. Do not think those that really run the party and play you for a sucker do not know that. You do understand that they laugh at people like you behind your back don't you?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:12 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Another lie about Al Gore. It is amazing. You can take the average 8th grader and show him greenhouse effect of too much carbon in the atmosphere and he or she will immediately get the implications but not so with the average Republican. Do not worry though Jerome for when it hits the fan because of the ideas you have you will more than likely be dead. I am sure Jesus will be congratulating on your work on abortion but he might have some questions about the billions who will never live because of your refusal to think.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:21 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    For many of us until abortion is obliterated, it will remain a very real issue. At every instance possible, I will attempt to bring it to the fore so that perhaps just one unborn child might not be killed before he/she has the opportunity to gasp that first breath of air that will transform it from nothingness into a citizen of the United States of America with the full protection of the Constitution to protect it.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:11 pm on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Well, according to Al Gore we've got about two years and 253 days before the Earth will either explode or implode - I'm not really sure which. I remember another well-educated scientist who pontificated back on one of Jay Leno's first episodes hosting the Tonight Show that within ten years the Earth would end due to man's abuse. Thankfully Ted Danson wasn't quite accurate then either.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:26 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Abortion in itself is not the issue. Those who profit from the destruction of our planets ability to support us use it so people will vote for the very policies that in the end will destroy us. It is a distraction from talking about the real issues that we need to be talking about.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:06 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Perhaps family planning clinics should have a standardized answering message that goes something like this: Hi,(title) Family Planning Clinic; you rape 'em, we scrape'em; no fetus can beat us. How can we help you today? As far as Dr. Kermit Gosnell, who sliced into the necks of living babies,fighting for their lives and snipping their spinal cords, he's getting his just rewards. Perhaps when anyone calls his clinic now, an operator cuts in and says; we're sorry, your call has been aborted,followed by a click and a flat dial tone. My post is sickening and will probably be deleted(or aborted) but is far less sickening than the actual acts of murdering the innocent as described above. There comes a time when it should be too late to abort,in my opinion

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:43 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    A to abortion itself do not worry. After the policies Republicans advocate destroy the ability of the earth to support human life there will not be any.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:35 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Al Gore is like an old fashioned prophet right out of the bible. He has spoken the truth and people met him with ridicule. He took what science was saying and has been warning the world for 20 years. Look around you. Look at the data. What he and the scientists have been predicting is coming to pass right before your very eyes and it is going to get a lot worse. It is not junk science, it is reality. My brother in law was a full professor at Rice university. He has taught at Harvard and Princeton. He was a physicist at Livermore Lab. He will tell you the question is not whether it is going to happen but how fast. If you notice the data is favoring the one who say it is going to come faster.
    The few scientists that are on the other side are hired by the same sort of people who hired scientists that told you tobacco was safe. Those who think it is "junk science" are only fooling themselves and killing the future of their children

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:23 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
    – Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution
    [sleeping]
    “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
    – Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme
    [sleeping]

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 8:07 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Gee, John, you've really bought into all the junk science and vitriol of the left of anything contrary to the left's position. But if you don't believe that tearing a human fetus out of a mother's womb is murder than anything anyone will say will be useless. I just find it amazing that the "faction that believe God had given humans brains and meant them to use them" get so upset about saving whales and dolphins, protest against the executions of convicted murderers and then are so cavalier with the life in a women's body. It's schizophrenic.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:53 am on Sat, May 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Once upon a time there were two civilizations that were exactly the same at opposite ends of the universe. They had the same exact history up until one moment.

    in the most powerful nation of one was taken over by a faction that believed God would destroy the Earth because of abortion even though their religious texts said nothing about it. They also believed that the wealthy and corporations should pay little in taxes. They did not believe in science and scoffed at the scientist’s warnings of climate change and overpopulation. Governments were hamstrung by lack of funds and were unable to solve any problems. In a very short time because of the effects of the scientists warnings the world descended into chaos and an ecological disaster coupled with wars over resources ended the earth ability to support human life and human life ended.

    In the other the most powerful nation was taken over by a faction that believe God had given humans brains and meant for them to use them. They believed in science. They raised taxes on the wealthy and corporations and used that money to put millions of people to work creating green energy. They used their ingenuity to figure out ways reverse the effects of climate change. They understood that they were part of the earth and for them to survive they had to obey the laws that the maker of the universe put their for them. These laws are the basis of of an ecological system that had allowed them to flourish for millions of years. In time they got their population down to a sustainable level and found their place in the system. They will survive for millions of more years.

    The men who scream about abortion and vote Republican in the end will kill the billions of people of generations of people their polices will end up not allowing to come to be. They are the real killers

     

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