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Posted: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:25 am, Wed Aug 24, 2011.

What do Americans want from government? They want truth, honesty, financial accountability and strong moral fiber. What we have is misspeaking — lies, greed — lobbyists, corruption — pork list, and no moral fiber.

Trust needs to be earned.

America was made great and desirable with only four rules of law: The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill of Rights and the Ten Commandments. Let America become the light of freedom again.

Jesse R. Dearman

Acampo

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74 comments:

  • Kim Lee posted at 8:01 pm on Sat, Sep 3, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "If there is anyone else that has a different view or a different slant, I would appreciate your thoughts as well."

    You're right, Mike. It is comical.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:18 am on Fri, Sep 2, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Also many of Darrells teachings seem to mimic those of the Klan, which he tries to claim is not Christian, but if they're not Christian, then maybe Darrell isn't a christian either

    Mike, what gave you the idea I was teaching.... or that I am Christian. I do not teach and I am definitely "NOT" Christan or religious. I do appreciate real Christians that promote love and doing for others... but unfortunately I do not have the ability or capacity to pray or practice a religion. I do admire people who can and I have learned many things from them that make sense to me.
    If you believe in the idea of "it takes one to know one"... I know you are not a real Christian just as KKK participants were not "real ones" You can not join an organization that hates as its main activity and still be a Christian... makes no sense Mike...

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:27 pm on Thu, Sep 1, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Such a sad religious zealot. Wants to discard the Constitution and all of our laws and base all of our "new" laws on the 10 commandments. If you are not a Christian, then you are free to leave the country and find one that suits you better....

    Hhmmmm.... I remember that many of the "colonists" were coming to the United States of America seeking religious freedom. Not in Darrell's United States (established in 1000 or so, according to his reasoning). Was the Mayflower Compact the new constitution of the new land, The United States of America?

    Also many of Darrells teachings seem to mimic those of the Klan, which he tries to claim is not Christian, but if they're not Christian, then maybe Darrell isn't a christian either. I would guess it depends on who you talk to. Darrell's not a christian by the klans definition and the klan isn't a christian based on darrells flawed analysis.

    Who you gonna believe?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:38 pm on Thu, Sep 1, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Back on topic and worth repeating...

    "Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshiping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."
    - George Washington

    I agree.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:35 pm on Thu, Sep 1, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "Sorry K Lee and Mike... No this is not difficult... and no I do not "think "you are incoherent... I "know" that you are incoherant."

    My posts are not incoherent, Darrell. You posted this and then, in a subsequent post, said this is not what you said. Try to have a sliver of integrity and stand behind the words you write... even when your writing and communication skills are lacking.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 4:29 pm on Thu, Sep 1, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell seems to think that only people that agree with him are the ones that are thoughtful, coherent and of good character with something of value to add to the conversation/debate.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:39 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...The following seems almost comical now:
    Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:06 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    "Andy ... Thank you very much for your thoughts. If there is anyone else that has a different view or a different slant, I would appreciate your thoughts as well."

    You are right Mike... I was not anticipating someone of your character to participate... Andy was thoughtful and had something of value to say... he was coherent...

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 3:11 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    The following seems almost comical now:
    Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:06 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    "Andy ... Thank you very much for your thoughts. If there is anyone else that has a different view or a different slant, I would appreciate your thoughts as well."

    \

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:26 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee... please follow the thread... I was saying one thing to you and one to Mike...

    You had said to me... " Life is hard for you, isn't it, Darrell"... and my answer to you was... No this is not difficult...

    If you look at Mikes post, it is obviously incoherent and I stated as such in the previous post... you did not post anything but your one sentence, so I would think you would catch on.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 1:57 pm on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: My comments are not "incoherent" and you know it. You're just looking for a way out of addressing the comments. How pitiful of you to run from the truth, but it was expected.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:33 am on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Sorry K Lee and Mike... No this is not difficult... and no I do not "think "you are incoherent... I "know" that you are incoherant.
    I was hoping you would take your time, think through what it is you were trying to say, and rewrite it a rational way... that would be coherent...

    Im still looking forward to what ever points you were attempting to make.I will respond when you do...thanks!

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:16 am on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Darl,
    Sorry you think it's incoherent. I tried to cut and paste your allegations you made during each rant. Could this be where you're having difficulty. It would be understandable, what with all your postings all day long possibly you're confusing threads?

    Or are you just planning for your next meeting? How do you make those hoods anyway with the eye cut outs and all?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:04 am on Wed, Aug 31, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Life is hard for you, isn't it, Darrell?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:01 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike... can you please rewrite your last post... It was not coherent. I think you must have had a bad day as it was far lower than your normal standard.

    Im looking forward to your translation!! Thanks Mike.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:45 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Darrelll posted at 6:12: Democrats? Who's talking democrats. Keep your head screwed on Darrell, you're all over the place.

    DDaarrrelll posted at 6:38: Can you imagine that anyone would consider joining the KKK and be a "real" Christian. It's not what K Lee imagines and especially what darell imagines. It's what the klan member imangines. They worship the same God as "good" Christians like d'r'l does. I would be willing to bet darrell wouldn't actually tell a klan member what he posted here. Unless he's the one who brought the matches.

    darrell posted at 6:53: "you know as well as I that Mike used the word “atrocity” in a context of a long history where it's meaning is normally used to describe massive massacres and other similar ruthless cold blooded events." Really? So now you know what I mean? You have amazing powers.... read on....

    "Had Mike stated the KKK did horrible unthinkable things to people, then I would have agreed with him... " Like I need you to agree with me. Like I even care if you agree with me. The fun continues.....

    "Mike has an agenda to defame and besmirch religion yet claims to be Christian himself. His behavior in my view is anti -Christian and disingenuous." Now I have an agenda. Are we on old business or new business? As I've stated before (Darrell don't even bother..it won't go through that thick skull) I have no problems with any religion here on Earth. i just don't want it made into any law. You wouldn't understand it so there is no point explaining it to you. The Darrellll disaster continues as he hits the throtle...

    And now for a short contradiction: "Couldn't agree more... which is why we all should fear Sharia Law since it married "gods Law" with state law."

    The whole thread should have been about, and was about, whether or not the 10 commandments should be part of the our Constitution (or as darrell calls it, a piece of paper). If we insert the 10 commandments into the constitution (an amendment process darrelll clearly knows nothing about) this would begin the Christo-centered laws which even the founding fathers feared. Even Ben Franklin (born in the colonies) didn't want this. Darrell apparently knows more than they did. Maybe we should appoint darrelll supreme something so he can make sure everyone is in their correct church pew and that Darrelll will be closing down temples and synagogs because they're not Christians like Darrell.

    I wonder how Darel even got out of junior college knowing so little but able to mis-speak so much on every single topic.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:51 pm on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee....stated... one religion should have their Commandments as part of our US laws

    Couldn't agree more... which is why we all should fear Sharia Law since it married "gods Law" with state law. France made the mistake of agreeing to Sharia Law in their culture, I hope we follow K Lee's suggestion and not do what France did.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:07 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    No one religion should have their Commandments as part of our US laws.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:53 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    .However K Lee... you know as well as I that Mike used the word “atrocity” in a context of a long history where it's meaning is normally used to describe massive massacres and other similar ruthless cold blooded events. He used this word to describe religion as the culprit.

    Had Mike stated the KKK did horrible unthinkable things to people, then I would have agreed with him...
    but Mike has an agenda to defame and besmirch religion yet claims to be Christian himself. His behavior in my view is anti -Christian and disingenuous.
    I'm not surprised you so quickly align yourself with him. It disappoints me that people like you and him consistently attempt to hurt good people by painting false pictures of their nature and character.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:38 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    KLee stated...It is a fact that many who have claimed to be Christians have committed many atrocities. Learn your Christian history, Darrell.

    Of course K Lee... that was my point ... happy to hear you agree with me... Many claim to be something for advantages to themselves. Can you imagine that anyone would consider joining the KKK and be a "real" Christian.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:12 am on Tue, Aug 30, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Many who have claimed to be "good democrats" who care for the poor and disadvantaged were and are in favor of controlling them for personal selfish gains.... so does that make them good democrats?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:38 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    It is a fact that many who have claimed to be Christians have committed many atrocities. Learn your Christian history, Darrell.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 10:33 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Mike Adams wrote, "You see Darrell likes to have little contests where he declares himself the winner. This is easy for him since he is making his rules in his daydream land. You offer a valid counterpoint and so he switches the protocol or the entire query. When you nail him on something everyone should know by the time they're 15, he acts oblivious and starts his ranting. He is just a sad man. Seems everyone is beating on him, everywhere. Without his friends around to give him "atta boys" he spins off into some sort of Darrell land. It's to bad he is just a thinking man and not a learned man."


    Wow! You hit the nail directly on the head, Mike! Perfect description of Darrell. I guess that has been my problem with Darrell all this time. I have been trying to converse with someone as if he was actually someone that wanted to have an honest intelligent exchange. My bad (as the kids say). Call me a sucker, or a softy, or a glass half full type...but I certainly have given Darrell way too many chances to be honest, respectful and sincere. And the truth is... it's just not in him.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:20 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike, it is your choice to consider USA having a beginning point of 1776. Many people do... but just as many people think Ben Franklin, born in 1706 In Boston, was born in United States ...but you and I both know that you simply were attempting to change the topic so you would not look so bad in your comment about atrocities.... you really are misinformed.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:25 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated... I love this country. I am a christian
    Mike... since you do not know what a Christian is as evidenced by your KKK comments, Im not sure you know what you are.I have met many real Christians, and none of them are anything like you. They have kindness and love in their relations and dealings with people. Maybe you are a Christian in perception just like anyone who would consider joining the KKK... since you consider these people Christians, you opinion means absolutely nothing.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:17 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...you refuse to acknowledge that the Klan is an organization that only allows protestants (which are a subset of "Christianity". How dumb.

    Mike... A person who professes or claims to be Christian, but then joins a group like the KKK is not a Christian in heart and soul... therefore they are not Christian. Just as you could claim to be a woman, even take on a woman's name like Alice... but no matter, you are not a woman even though you claim to be... you would still be Mike.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:34 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Maybe as a learned person I don't feel comfortable just tossing a document as valid and meaningful as the Declaration of Independence. I know that writing, signing, and the distribution a document ( or piece of paper as you call it) declaring we are no longer a part of England is more declarative than one opening up Bryn Mar. I bet you flunked Government in high school because you got confused over what "piece of paper" said what.

    "So in 1775 there was no United States... and in 1776 there is United States..." This is true. Please take note that I said "learned" person, "thinking" person. You fall into the second category, someone who "thinks" they know law, "thinks" they know history, just "thinks" about all sorts of stuff, getting most of it wrong because while you were daydreaming, most sensible and educated people were learning about history and government so as not to have to make up irrelevant "what ifs".

    I will determine the topic upon which I submit thoughts. You just go on daydreaming. And as evidence that your skull is far thicker than most, you refuse to acknowledge that the Klan is an organization that only allows protestants (which are a subset of "Christianity". How dumb.

    You know you might have been harping on how democrats were responsible for most of the anti-african american legislation during the last century (1900-1999), well that is true. But most of those democrats switched to republicans when the democratic party was no longer racist enough.

    And finally unlike you, I love this country. I am a christian. I harbor no ill will towards anyone practicing their religion. I acknowldege that there were (are) many misguided christians and some charletons that have used, and use, christianity to further their own evil agendas.

    You see Darrell likes to have little contests where he declares himself the winner. This is easy for him since he is making his rules in his daydream land. You offer a valid counterpoint and so he switches the protocol or the entire query. When you nail him on something everyone should know by the time they're 15, he acts oblivious and starts his ranting. He is just a sad man. Seems everyone is beating on him, everywhere. Without his friends around to give him "atta boys" he spins off into some sort of Darrell land. It's to bad he is just a thinking man and not a learned man. He really needs to look at important pieces of paper, like the Constitution and of course the Declaration of Independence. In Darrell land, these pieces of paper don't exist so he is free to dream up any society and unfortunately, to Darrell, these places are real.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:30 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee... Mike stated this below...""The point is that religion in our country has been a part to some great atrocities in our history and I'm sure anyone who has even half an ope"n mind realizes this"""as he has not posted anything that demonstrates anything close to atrocities from the perspective he implied....
    this is my position.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:40 pm on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell: Just to be clear here... Are you stating that there have not been atrocities committed in the name of Christianity?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:59 am on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike... the time line is not the point or the issue... your action of characterizing religion in a false light in American history is the topic... Don t you regret making such a silly statement?
    Religion brought us many good things Mike. Compared to countries like Africa where a certain religion is involved in over 1 million deaths in the last 80 years is a “REAL” atrocity... You claim is very wrong.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:53 am on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Almost every learned person ( and a lot of un-learned as well) consider the "United States" as beginning in 1776.

    So in 1775 there was no United States... and in 1776 there is United States... use your imagination Mike... a piece of paper , in my view, does not make a country... the people do...
    A time line for thinking people Mike...

    1701 - In October, Yale College is founded in Connecticut.
    1706 - January 17, Benjamin Franklin is born in Boston. In November, South Carolina establishes the Anglican Church as its official church
    1712 - In May, the Carolina colony is officially divided into North Carolina and South Carolina. In June, the Pennsylvania assembly bans the import of slaves into that colony.
    1720 - The population of American colonists reaches 475,000. Boston (pop. 12,000) is the largest city, followed by Philadelphia (pop. 10,000) and New York (pop. 7000).
    1729 - Benjamin Franklin begins publishing The Pennsylvania Gazette, which eventually becomes the most popular colonial newspaper.
    1730 - Baltimore is founded in the Maryland colony.
    1731 - The first American public library is founded in Philadelphia by Benjamin Franklin.
    1732 - February 22, George Washington is born in Virginia. Also in February, the first mass is celebrated in the only Catholic church in colonial America, in Philadelphia. In June, Georgia, the 13th English colony, is founded


     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:48 am on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Almost every learned person ( and a lot of un-learned as well) consider the "United States" as beginning in 1776. Not with the pilgrims. Your argument just makes you seem all the more strange.

    Ask your fellow kluckers at your next meeting.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:34 am on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated... Also it's not about how you define Christianity and the klan, it's how they define themselves...

    Please think a little Mike... the KKK thinking they are something does not make it so. Just because one claims to be anything does not make it reality. The KKK claimed they were good democrats, does that mean that is reality?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Jeez, you can't get anything right. The USA is over 200 years old, not 300.

    Mike... since I do not know when someone like yourself would consider the beginning, to help you make your case better, I was attempting to give you more leeway so even more potential atrocities could be documented by you.... since the largest settlements were by the English on the East Coast, starting in 1607. By the 1770s the Thirteen Colonies contained two and half million people, were prosperous, and had developed their own political and legal systems... all these people did not magically appear in1776...

    Just like a dem... focuses on an trivia when talking about “our history”... instead of the main point.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:22 am on Mon, Aug 29, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Jeez, you can't get anything right. The USA is over 200 years old, not 300. Also it's not about how you define Christianity and the klan, it's how they define themselves. This is why I never engage in one of your stupid contests. Your skull it too thick.
    BTW, K Lee has it right in her 11:20 post. So now George Washington is wrong to?

    You should expedite your trip to the far east. People have grown weary of your constant badgering of those on the left with poor attermpts at your intellectual olympics, Get a one-way ticket. Save money

    And just to clear up one thing: What's the fixation on Lodi and tokay students? You've sought exchanges more than once and it just seems weird. Just for clarity, I graduated from Lodi High School a long, long time ago. Did you graduate from high school?

    And I suppose you'll have to take another shower now. At least I'm doing some good for your hygine.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:20 pm on Sun, Aug 28, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    "Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshiping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."
    - George Washington

    I agree.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:19 pm on Sun, Aug 28, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Darrell wrote, "I think my welcome here is running its course and after I return to Thailand this winter, I will no longer be participating in LNS blogs which I am sure will be a delight to many."

    Ciao!


     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:18 pm on Sun, Aug 28, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Some very good comments from Eric Barrow, Andy Crowder, Margaret Blastow, Mike Adams and Kevin Paglia. Welcome to the newcomers.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:55 pm on Sun, Aug 28, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike... I stand corrected by the spokesman for the "left"... that's you Mike... so thank you for the clarity. Since our country is over 300 years old, there is so much history to understand and consume.
    The wisdom and intuition you possess is remarkable. So now I can imagine 1000 years in the future, historians will reference your expertise in pointing out your original point...which was religion in our country has been a part to some great atrocities in our history... just ask Mike. History according to the left will be required reading in California schools... no doubt... just ask Mike.

    However, about Christianity... it is about love and giving it to others and seeking salvation... The KKK was about hate... therefore the KKK was not about Christianity... You can do you best to link the two together, but it is clear you do not understand or comprehend much of anything... of course that is what makes you the ultimate spokesman for the "left".

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:43 am on Sun, Aug 28, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Wah! Wah! Wah! I can hear it from here.

    Seems even your friends don't rush to your rescue. Next time think twice before you try and bite into a big bone.

    Wah! Wah! Wah!

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:38 am on Sun, Aug 28, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Duh'rrell,

    Although I promised I was never going to do your work for you, apparently if it's not right in front of your face, you can't find it..
    Here is a nice opening preface from your civic group:
    "Today, White Christian children, are taught to be ashamed of their culture. Our children are taught at public expense, theirs is a culture of slavery, bigotry and oppression; they are schooled to be ashamed because they are white!"

    Individuals who sit all day long pecking at a keyboard while wearing polyester pants, may want to check the following requirements for membership.

    "Petitioning Associate Requirements

    We are NOT looking for people who "need help" we seek those that can help....

    1. You must be a free white male or female of European descent, at least 18 years of age. (we do verify age)
    2. You must be a Protestant able to profess faith in Jesus Christ as personal Savior
    3. You must not be married to or date people of other races, nor have mixed race dependants, this includes adopted children.
    4. You must agree to conform to the rules of this order, and be willing to swear you will NOT conspire to commit any crime while an associate.
    5. You must not join us with mercenary intent, or under secret evasion of any sort.
    6. Under NO circumstances will we accept for associate ship: homosexuals, atheists, or those who have been found mentally insane. We will not accept candidates that have been convicted of treason, or espionage against the United States of America.
    7. You must be a U.S. citizen and have a U.S. address. we do not accept foreign nationals, or have foreign associates.
    8. You must not be on probation or parole. (Those on probation or parole are NOT free men).
    Much dis-information has been propagated. YES, The Ku Klux Klan IS a Christian organization. NO, you do not have to belong to a certain sect or denomination to be a Klansman/Klanswomen. Our organization includes nearly all Protestant denominations that accept Jesus the Christ as Lord and Savior. You do NOT have to be a Klansman to be a Christian, but you MUST be a Christian to be a Klansman."

    I think these are the same req's for membership in the Tea Party.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 11:55 pm on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    The real chain of command in the United States of America; We the People are subservient to the our Creator who created us and endowed us with Unalienable Rights; the U.S. Constitution is subservient to We the People as We the People created, ordained and established the Constitution; the three branches of government is subservient to the U.S. Constitution, their creator. This is exactly how the power of this government was meant to be established and maintained. Period..!
    Today, the President, the Congress and the Supreme Court have jettisoned the authority of the U.S. Constitution, jettisoned the authority of We the People and jettisoned the Authority of Almighty God and that is precisely the reason why the morality and economy of the United States is in trouble.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:17 pm on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    -You must be embarrassed Mike... Making such wild accusations about a religion in our country that has been a part to some great atrocities in our history... then when asked to clarify you cannot give even one recorded atrocity that would merit a page in a history book...

    You then resort to name calling and attacking the messenger... I still think you are a dynamic representative of the "left". You represent them well Mike. Please keep posting when ever possible in your busy schedule. It is appreciated.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    And take a shower.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:10 pm on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    I fully understand why darrell is confused (and dirty). In his simplistic world of sitting all day starring at a computer screen (what kind of grown man does that?), his thoughts spooling around in his empty cranium (that's your skull darrell), he can't keep more than two thoughts together at one time. I've told darrell before, I haven't the time to map everything out for him. If he doesn't know that the Klan has a Christo-centered dogma or that women were charged with and executed by other christians on suspicion of being a witch and all the other religions (and why he doesn't connect this next group....) such as Muslim and at times even the Jews have done things even he (if he had the ability to google) would know about than it's a waste of my time and everyone else to convince him. I've come to the conclusion that he just doesn't get it, he never had it, and he never will get it. He'd much rather ponder his simplistic "what ifs" such as asking an earlier poster to spearhead a movement. It's this type of post that he is well known, I mean he doesn't even know how the constitution can be amended. And he sits at a computer all day long pecking out his little ideas, apologizing for everyone who agrees with him. Just go to google and type in "Amend Constitution". Someone tell him please. He is making a fool of himself again.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:30 am on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Well I don't hate religion, any religion.
    Then Mike stated...The point is that religion in our country has been a part to some great atrocities in our history and I'm sure anyone who has even half an open mind realizes this.
    Then Mike stated...Darrel should take a shower. A long one to maybe wash all the hate out of his soul.
    Mike... you are hilarious... You say you do not hate religion... then you assign atrocities to this religion where a reasonable person would resent this religion if what they thought were true... then you say I am hateful when in reality, I do not hate anyone.. even you Mike...
    Out of curiosity, which religions committed atrocities in USA? When was this? How many people were killed? Can you give some specifics?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Well I don't hate religion, any religion. I suppose it could easily be misunderstood.
    The point is that religion in our country has been a part to some great atrocities in our history and I'm sure anyone who has even half an open mind realizes this. With the exception of the opening line, Kevin gets this correctly.

    Darrel should take a shower. A long one to maybe wash all the hate out of his soul.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:20 am on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2048

    Well, let me answer this from a non religion hating position as Mike did.

    The Ten commandments do not belong as law in our land because they are personal laws, that is they are for individuals to follow, not for the country as a whole. This is evident as the first five commandments are personal behavior, choice/ morality commandments. That is they are actions that effect only the individual. The second five effect the people around you and lead to a positive contribution to society/ morality. Honoring your parents, not killing, not stealing, not bearing false witness (some on here need to pay more attention to that one), not committing adultery, and not wanting/obsession what your neighbor has. Of these only 3 are currently illegal. only 3 out of the ten are currently illegal.

    You can not legislate morality. Personally I think the country would be in a better place if more people followed more of the Commandments, especially the honoring parents and obsessing over the neighbor's goods ones.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:15 am on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Nothing like reading a post from Mike to make me desire a shower.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:26 am on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1439

    Yeah everyone thinks incorporating the 10 comandments into our constitution is a great idea untl the stonings, hangings, and pressings begin. Those of you in favor of the Klan would like this idea. They are always preaching how America should be a "white" 'free' and 'God-fearing" country.

    Maybe somebody can start a list of what races and ethnicities we'll get rid of first (everyone will get their chance). Let's not forget the aged and infirm, their a drag on society (and the budget...no more social security or disability payments). Homosexuals and hermaphrodites gotta go to!

    Let's start a list of books we'll commence to burnin'. Start a paramilitary group to collect all the Beatles albums, tapes, and CDs and eliminate all those bands who backwards mask their messages from the devil.

    Yes.....The Constitmandments..... a great idea that may have finally arrived.

    On the plus side, since we can now re-attach arms, all those convicted of stealing will be able to have their hands sewn back on. I don't know how you would preserve them though.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 6:13 am on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    There are simple ways to avoid contractual entrapment into being held accountable for US Citzenship, such as for penalties in a court of law for a victimless so-called crime, or for false presentment.

    However, first, one must understand who they are, and stop signing under penalty of perjury that they are a US Citizen or US Person.

    A US Citizen or US Person is a ficitious concept, not a living, breathing human. If you can't get this simple concept through your ears, then you are a fiction.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 6:09 am on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    Again (yawn)

    The US corporation created US citizens through the 14th amendment.
    If you are a 14th amendment US Citizen, or US Person, you do not have a constitution. Conversely, it has you, and there are two versions. They are distinctive in the preamble which differ in a single preposition that identifies the relationship between the people and the government.

    US Citizens are employees of the US corporation. They have a duty and responsibility to perform on its behalf. They have no rights.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 9:51 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    As a matter of fact; the United States Constitution and all organic documents written were based upon the 10 Commandments of Moses. Any truthful study of the actual facts will bear this out despite the fact that history has already been re-written!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:18 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Manuel Martinez posted at 9:06 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011...No, he just has a lot of time on his hands...

    Your are right manuel... I was accustomed to working 12-14 hours per day for years ... I have now cut it down to eight hours which gives me more time than ever.

     
  • Manuel Martinez posted at 9:06 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Manuel Martinez Posts: 641

    Andy Crowder posted at 3:55 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    "Browsing these threads yesterday and today, I noticed that Darrell Baumbach is the primary poster in nearly every discussion. Is he the de facto administrator of the forum? "

    No, he just has a lot of time on his hands...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:43 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Andy stated... Is he the de facto administrator of the forum?

    Andy... I am a passionate person who enjoys sharing ideas and thoughts with others as well as participating in debate in order to seek truth.

    However, I think my welcome here is running its course and after I return to Thailand this winter, I will no longer be participating in LNS blogs which I am sure will be a delight to many.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:09 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Margaret and Andy...

    Thank you very much responding and making clear your thoughts on the Ten Commandments and the pros and cons in a possible constitutional amendment .
    In reality, I am very much against what I suggested and agree with both of you that it would be a very bad idea .
    I intentionally stated the opposite of my position because I wanted to get people like yourselves to articulate opposition to what I thought was a bad idea. Because I am not religious myself, I felt others who are would have a better perspective and more wisdom than I to articulate what I was thinking. I was right as I appreciated what you had to say about the ten commandments and that it should not be enforceable in court.

    To explain even further, I have been posting a number of articles that opposed Sharia Law in the Muslim world as it basically is a system that incorporates god's Law”Allah”, with state law. Every time I have voiced opposition to this concept I have been attacked and accused of being a racist and bigot.
    All I would do is state similar reasoning as you did about the ten commandments and a constitutional amendment when referring to Sharia Law.

    My confusion is that there is very little opposition to Sharia Law from people I have been talking to on the “left”, yet they are very vocal when it comes to separation of church and state just as Eric voiced. (who is very left wing). France has had massive immigration of Muslims in their country in the past decade which has led France to accept Sharia Law in their country. I fear the same could happen anywhere world wide. In my view, what both of you articulated applies to any situation that would incorporate God's law with state law.

    I appoligize for this misinformation but I wanted to get real opposition from thoughtful people like yourselves. Thank you!!!

     
  • Margaret Blastow posted at 7:09 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Peggy Blastow Posts: 6

    To Darrell Baumbach, I am in agreement with several of the others who have posted here in opposition to incorporating the Biblical Ten Commandments into The Constitution or into our daily laws.

    I thought those blogs were well constructed and offered considerable fodder for you to debate, but instead you have ignored those points and continued to state what a good idea it would be but offering nothing as evidence or support. Your tone has changed lately and you seem like an interrogator.

    And I simply must correct an assumption on your part, I considered for some time not saying that I often agree with you, but ultimately did and immediately I regretted it. I did not say I normally agree with you. I do not make a habit of blogging because typing is not easy for me and I have have been put off reading these blogs due to the lack of thoughtful discussion. Your actions recently have lead me to conclude you are contributing to the decline.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 3:55 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Browsing these threads yesterday and today, I noticed that Darrell Baumbach is the primary poster in nearly every discussion. Is he the de facto administrator of the forum?

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 3:53 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Jerome, it seems as if you didn't read either Darrell's post or mine very closely. No apples, no oranges, just two constitutional amendments. The first amendment assures our freedom (religion and speech), but Darrell's proposed amendment to enshrine the Ten Commandments as law would take those freedoms away. The Ten Commandments are NOT compatible with governance in a free democratic state. Any religious group is welcome to come up with their own moral code. I mean to take nothing away from the significance of the Ten Commandments. I am not criticizing Christianity or Judaism, only stating the obvious: religious moral codes are not compatible with freedom in a democratic society. There is nothing controversial about this, nothing at all, and I fail to understand why the mere mention upsets you so much.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:23 pm on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Barrow stated...Legislating the Ten Commandments is unconstitutional.


    That was the point Eric ... which is why I asked if you would favor amending the constitution . If you were not in favor, your specific reasons why not was what was asked of you. (the reason behind your position)

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:05 am on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Legislating the Ten Commandments is unconstitutional. The founding fathers knew the dangers of government controlled religion, if not organized religion in general, and made sure things like that wouldn't happen.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:32 am on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    No Mr. Crowder, I did not prove your point; but if you wish to believe that to be true then so be it. Your confusing apples with oranges is precisely why I included what I did in the last paragraph of my post to Darrell.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 6:51 am on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    As much as you protest Jerome, your words proved my point. Darrell suggested that the Ten Commandments be annexed to the Constitution and be made law. LEGISLATING that everyone follow those first four commandments would indeed destroy freedom in this country. You yourself state very clearly the value of freedom of religion and the Ten Commandments do not permit freedom of religion. Thank you for bolstering my position, which I do not believe is controversial in the least, and supported by every Christian I know, and you as well.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:17 am on Thu, Aug 25, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2362

    Mr. Baumbach, I am concerned that Mr. Crowder is either misinformed or simply doesn’t understand what (or who) a Christian is. I know of no one who would agree that the “the Ten Commandments are incompatible with a free democratic state.” While we are expected to live as Christ-like a life as possible, we are also answerable to the laws of man. This makes it difficult sometimes, but through Christ’s death and resurrection we are forgiven for those sins - past, present and future. Since there are few laws on the books pertaining to adultery, coveting and the other examples that Mr. Crowder sets forth in his comments, we are still expected to live our lives as according to the Word of God and will be judged accordingly. But we also believe that non-believers will also be judged by God as well. Of course they are free to believe as they choose.

    Unlike Islam and its Sharia law that many countries have incorporated into their legislatures and court systems, Christianity doesn’t require governments to adhere to the Bible. And insofar as what the Founder’s set forth in the First Amendment as it pertains to religion, I think it was a great idea. Sadly, I believe that their intent has been skewed over the centuries, but as citizens of the United States, Christians are expected to abide by what the Supreme Court decides as well (refer to Mark 12:17).

    I think I’ll leave it at that. On a forum such as this it’s difficult to convey precisely what I would like – and I don’t ever want to be judged for leading someone in the wrong direction. A person’s salvation is much too important to risk over an argument about semantics and politics.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:06 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andy ... Thank you very much for your thoughts. If there is anyone else that has a different view or a different slant, I would appreciate your thoughts as well.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:21 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    You must not be a Christian, Darrell. I think most of us accept that theTen Commandments are incompatible with a free democratic state. The Bill of Rights guarantees freedom of religion and freedom of speech. The first four commandments would take that away because they prohibit worship of any god except the Judeo-Christian version, make it a crime to curse, force everyone to attend Sunday worship, prohibit any work at all on the Sabbath, and would outlaw all kinds of artwork (graven images). In addition, do you really want to live in a country where it is against the law to simply want things (coveting)? Imagine what would happen to the economy if everything shut down at sunset on the Sabbath and consumer/capitalistic culture (wanting things) could somehow be outlawed. In addition, we would have to legally force people to honor their fathers and mothers and start monitoring bedrooms so we could put all the adulterers in jail. The only commandments which seem like sound law are the prohibitions against murder, theft, and perjury--and we already have those important areas covered.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:11 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

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    Margaret... I have heard many people over the years express their concerns of mixing church and state into our constitution.The Ten Commandments is a new twist. However, I have never heard someone articulate an intelligent well though out explanation or argument to explain why.
    Since you stated " I simply cannot imagine any right-thinking person wishing The Ten Commandments to be incorporated into the Constitution of this country", maybe you could help me out. I am not talking right or wrong... just reasoned thought.
    I thought Eric would respond but maybe he was not serious that he preferred separation of church and state. I think of the ten Commandments as a separate issue over church and state...
    By the way... thank you for what I consider a respectful compliment by stating you normally agree with me.

     
  • Margaret Blastow posted at 6:43 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    Peggy Blastow Posts: 6

    I'm sorry for the errors in my blog, I have a new eyeglass prescription and the bifocal lines are driving me crazy. Don't get old...

     
  • Margaret Blastow posted at 6:40 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    Peggy Blastow Posts: 6

    While I often find myself nodding in agreement with Darrell Baumbach's blogs, I must confess I was not much amused by his joke this morning, saying he thought it would be a good idea to incorporate the Ten Commandments into our legal system, but I rolled my eyes and ignored it.

    Now, reading his afternoon blog in which he say he was not being witty after all, and he goes on to say that separation of church and state is "out of touch" I am at a loss. I simply cannot imagine any right-thinking person wishing The Ten Commandments to be incorporated into the Constitution of this country.

    I hope Darrell Baumbach was actually making as face-saving joke when he said he was "not trying to be witty." There can be no other explanation.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:02 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

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    Actually I was not trying to be witty... I was saying that separation of church and state is out of touch... I was looking for argument why anyone would think it inappropriate to combine the two as I think it is a good idea. What possible things could go wrong if you included the ten commandments ( Gods law for Christians) with our current legal system. I think things would improve... I have never seen any good arguments to counter what I just said. I would think Eric would support such a constitutional amendment as there is no good reason not to.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:26 pm on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

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    I am sure Stony was trying to be witty.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    No thanks I'm a big supporter of the seperation of church and state.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:56 am on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric makes a very good point... the Ten Commandments are now “not”part of our legal system...

    I would be very interested in anyone's thoughts if we should change that.. I think it would be a very good idea to incorporate the ten commandments in our legal system so that breaking these commandments can have legal consequence in our courts.

    Maybe Eric would spear head and support a constitutional amendment to achieve this end legally. I am sure the democratic party would support such a move... all we have to do get get the “right” wing on board to make this a reality.

    Thanks for making that point Eric!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:25 am on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    While I would agree with most of the intent of the Ten Commandments, the constitution restricts the us of that document as rule of law.

     

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