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Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:00 am

Where is our country heading? What quality of life will each person want? Does America have the character to foster individualism yet unify as a society?

If one observes the dominant elements in our society, opposite forces can be seen fighting to determine America’s outcome. Liberalism and conservatism are two labels that have evolved to describe two sides of this encounter.

If one looked at a typical zoo as a model for society, one can easily see liberal and conservative thinking and preferences.

The Lodi zoo provides a shelter (cage) for animals where individualism, responsibility and self-determination are not factors. The animals have a safe place to live where, from cradle to grave, all their perceived needs are controlled and managed for them — when, where and what they eat, where they can go, which animals they interact with — all under the control of the liberal. If an animal is injured, a vet will be provided for its health care. All the animal’s needs are satisfied according to the liberal thinker’s perspective.

The San Diego Zoo is more a result of a conservative thinker where more individual freedoms are structured. Instead of a cage, animals are given land to roam — more mirroring a natural habitat. Conservatism fosters individualism and promotes more individual control of outcomes. A real conservative thinker would abolish the confinements of the zoo and let animals live in a jungle — a more natural habitat where life can be better enjoyed, and face nature and dangers that comes with it.

Obamacare, Social Security, food stamp programs and other liberal government creations that control people’s lives and choices have resulted in a life of dependency for so many. They have made people afraid to experience life without the safety net and control George Orwell’s “Big Brother” has inflicted on the psychology of American consciousness. My guess is individualism will become a thing of the past as a result of the security blanket liberalism provides.

Soon, one will have to read a history book to see America, the land of the free as it used to be.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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27 comments:

  • stan taves posted at 6:54 pm on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    "Progressives" identify conservatives as bad, as impediments to "progress"; They want us to be "good", to willingly yield to their "fundamental transformation". The problem is that they now believe, "if they won't be 'good', then make them good". So how's that workin' out?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:55 pm on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Eric, maybe YOUR buddies need to live off of tax dollars, none of mine do as they are quite comfortable financially on their own. FAIL..

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:53 pm on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    OK, Eric, your are NOT off of the hook, List the SUCCESSFUL LIBERAL programs that you claim exists. Come on now, according to you there are lots of them so it should be a piece of cake, eh?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:20 am on Tue, Feb 4, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Oh contraire, I specifically stated that I would stand by any of the programs mentioned by John Lucas and Joanne Bobin it seems that it is you who are dodging the issues I expected you to take up the debate on the programs they suggested but once again you chose to avoid the debate. I don't blame you there is very little you could come up with to debate these long standing successful liberal programs, you or your family is probably on a few of them.

    Also again you are making statements based on your belief system not on the facts at hand. On what bases do you "have no doubt they would find 10 times their salary in fraud". Has a study been done that you could point to or is this just another fly boy buddies coffee shop study where a group of fellows living of tax dollars sit around and bash the federal government and the President they are sworn to serve.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:17 pm on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Yeah, DESERVE help, not like the people who can well afford to pay for their insurance but choose to let the taxpayers do it for them. Sound familiar, Bobbin?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:13 pm on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Welfare fraud, medicaid fraud, medicare fraud and fraud rampant in other government programs cost taxpayers billions annually. If you paid someone $100k a year to investigate people who are using these programs, I have NO doubt they would find 10 times their salary in fraud saving taxpayers way more than what they pay the investigator. Of course you would have to make sure the investigators were doing their job and not taking bribes to look the other way.
    Again, you dodge backing up your claims about successful liberal programs. That's OK Eric, you and I know you cannot come up with any because they are simply non-existent. Being the nice guy that I am, I will let you off the hook....this time.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:59 pm on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Joe I do agree with that thought but I would like to see how you figure that out without spending more on investigations than you save. What I don't want to see happen is the truly needy not getting help in order to stop a few muchers from getting over.
    Joe there has been a multitude of liberal programs suggested to you as successful programs you either can't or wont recognize them and when you can't defend your position you revert to calling everything you don't understand HOGWASH. I for one have no need to parade these programs in front of you again. I am satisfied by the successes the liberals have had politically and will support furthering the liberal agenda in the future with or without your understanding.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:04 am on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter stated: "when they DESERVE help."

    Who's going to be the judge here, Baxxter? YOU?

    People would be starving in the streets if that decision was left up to people of your ilk.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:06 am on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846


    Mr Barrow posted: "Again you haven't challenged my description of conservatism; being unwilling to help the needy due to a belief system that conservatives are willing to threaten hunger and homelessness to motivate people. Care to take a shot at it or are you just going to keep trying to change the subject."

    Ahh, Mr. Barrow, your liberalism is showing, again. NOBODY said we should not help the "needy" when they DESERVE help. What I have said, and will continue to say, we shouldn't fund the deadbeats who have figured out how to sponge off of the hard working taxpayers rather than work to support themselves. What part of that statement do you not under stand?

    Still waiting for your list of successful liberal programs.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:36 am on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    Wait, I thought we were talking about fishing. Teaching how to fish vs. giving a fish. I was just trying to add to your incomplete analogy.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:22 am on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    How about half of American citizens on the governent dole? Apparently liberals are ok with that scenario. Pathetic.

     
  • Jack Gilder posted at 1:39 pm on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Jack Gilder Posts: 26

    "If one looked at a typical zoo as a model for society"

    The point at which this analogy failed.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:04 pm on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    Again you haven't challenged my description of conservatism; being unwilling to help the needy due to a belief system that conservatives are willing to threaten hunger and homelessness to motivate people. Care to take a shot at it or are you just going to keep trying to change the subject.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:06 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter wrote: "There are no incentives to quit having babies you can't afford, in fact, there are incentves to have MORE in the form of government financial assistance. Having babes for fun and profit. Sheer stupidty (sic)."

    I guess you don't know how the current welfare system works, eh, Baxxter? You're about 20 years behind the times. See: Reagan and Clinton welfare reforms.\

    Perhaps you should gain the knowledge before you flap the lips.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:42 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    What is the law? No safety net.

    So sayeth the "Sayer of the Law" reciting another strange litany.

    My analogy: The Island of Doctor Moreau, H.G. Wells' famous novel.

    The "Beast Folk" (Archconservative/Retrogressive "Christians") want to country to revert back and be like a jungle.

    Think: Survival of the fittest.

    The slowest amoung you? Food for tigers.

    Lack the neccessary skills to compete at hunting and foraging? Starve.

    Your progeny too.

    Let only the best genes propagate the species forward, just as nature intended.

    What is the law?

    [lol]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:03 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Nothing builds responsibility like having to actually provide for your offspring rather than getting free abortions or depending on hardworking taxpayers to provide for your children. There are no incentives to quit having babies you can't afford, in fact, there are incentves to have MORE in the form of government financial assistance. Having babes for fun and profit. Sheer stupidty

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:00 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    So you agree with the description of conservatism I stated or are you simply trying to change the subject.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 2:56 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    How do the multi-national fishing conglomerates that over-fish an area fit into your scenario? Especially after they lay-off their workers in favor of robotic "fisherman"? Or how about the coal company magnate that contaminates the area with chemicals from one of his coal processing related chemical companies?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:46 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Yoo Hoo, Mr. Barrow, I am still waiting for a list of the LIBERAL programs that you claimed were successful. Come on now, strain your brain.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:44 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    The liberal administration doesn't want to teach anyone to fish. They would rather take a fish away from someone who already knows how to fish and give it to someone too stupid or too lazy to fish.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:53 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I wish Darrell Baumbach would explain EXACTLY HOW Social Security, food stamps, and Obamacare are controlling people's lives and choices.

    Does the SS Administration DICTATE how the monthly check is spent? Does SNAP dictate what foods to buy (san alcohol and cigarettes)? Does Obamacare dictate who, when where, and how healthcare is obtained (more than health insurance companies ALREADY did)?

    Or is Darrell just painting a picture of our needy citizens dangling on the government tether waiting for a handout - without which they could not function?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:47 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, for all those good Christians in this forum who espouse the Chinese proverb, "teach a man to fish..." - a big problem...they don't really desire to either GIVE him a fish or TEACH him to fish as it might cost them their precious tax dollars!

    Conservatives truly believe in the "every man for himself" theory -emphasis on "MAN."

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:46 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    [thumbup]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:44 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:50 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    Obamacare, Social Security, food stamp programs and other liberal government creations that control people’s lives and choices have resulted in a life of dependency for so many.

    Yes these are terrible things

    We should go back to when there was no Social Security. We should go back to a time when we could watch our elderly starve and beg in the streets.

    Yes we should go back to a time before food stamp programs. Nothing builds more character in a 3 year old than starving.

    Yes we should go back to when there was no Obamacare. There is nothing more fun than watching health insurance companies engineer a system where we can watch our neighbors get sick, die and go bankrupt so these companies can make fortunes off their misery.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:02 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1513

    One of the eeriest things conservatives do is twisting caring for our fellow man into a harmful practice. This appears to allow conservatives to turn a blind eye to suffering. A narrative has been created that states that the only way to help the needy is to ignore them. This narrative goes on to say that by threating a family with starvation or homelessness we might finally encourage the takers in our society to get ahead. While this narrative is callous is does allow conservatives to sleep at night secure in the knowledge that they are good Christians just trying to help those that are needy, by not helping.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:49 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I am truly confused about Darrell Baumbach's motives. His letter immediately previous to this one stated:

    "Instead of promoting division, we should unify our country and encourage productivity for everyone’s best interests."

    Now, he writes ANOTHER letter in which his goal is to DIVIDE "our country" into two factions - liberals and conservatives - and portraying one as EVIL and the other as BENEFICENT.

    While I applaud the fact that Darrell Baumbach has taken on the intellectually challenging task of creative writing, his little parable here falls flat.

    We are human beings that live in a society that does not condone the killing of each other for food in order to survive. To live in an ordered society we must have rules and, among other things, plans for protecting the weakest among us.

    Funny how conservatives reject Darwin and his evolutionary theory, but they are ready and willing to promote "survival of the fittest" as their social policy.

     

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