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Posted: Monday, January 9, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 12:40 pm, Mon Jan 9, 2012.

I wanted to share with your readers what's going on in our country right now.

According to www.judicialwatch.org, Judicial Watch has filed a Freedom of Information lawsuit against the Obama U.S. Department of Justice to obtain records related to the agency's communications with Estelle Rogers, former ACORN attorney. Rogers currently serves as the Director of Advocacy for the ACORN-connected Project Vote, Obama's former employer.

They are investigating the extent to which the Department of Justice and Project Vote are partnering in a national campaign — the USC National Voting Rights Act — to register people on public assistance, widely considered a key voting block for the Obama campaign in 2012. There are over 40 million currently receiving food stamps. This information was supposed to be returned to the Office of Judicial Watch by Aug. 5, 2011; to date, the Department of Justice has sent nothing.

The fact that Project Vote is a corrupt organization is not up for debate. It is a known corrupt operation. It's also been established that the organization is putting a full count press on all key swing states to manipulate voter registration laws in order to get out the vote for Obama and the Democrats, and leading this charge is Rogers. Rogers is a primary contact person for Project Vote business at both state and federal levels.

Judicial Watch recently released documents obtained from the Colorado Department of State showing that ACORN and Project Vote successfully pressured Colorado officials into implementing new policies increasing registration of public assistance recipients during 2008 and 2010 election seasons. The percentage of invalid voter registration forms from Colorado was four times the national average. Project Vote also sought a legislative fix allowing people without driver's licenses or state ID to register to vote online. Illegals would have to prove nothing. Project Vote and ACORN have both been arrested and linked to serious incidents of voter registration fraud, including criminal activities.

Where does Obama's Justice Department fit into all this graft?

According to Judicial Watch's investigation, the early evidence suggests the Justice Department and Project Vote are giving a one-two punch in an effort to manipulate voter registration laws to benefit leftist candidates.

These people are still getting money from the federal government — your money, my money — and no one seems to care.

Sam West

Acampo

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34 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:06 pm on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Six campaigns and 40 years of voting tells me I do know. My point ms b is to show your ignorance for the campaign process. If you receive contributions above you must file for a 501C3 community action committee permit for tax exemption. You then can collect all the funds you want...provided you report them properly and on time. During campaign season candidates file for a 501C4 and when they receive more than $1K they must do the same thing. Easy to check out on line.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:26 pm on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maple wrote: "Do you know how easy it is to get a 501C3 non-profit? As easy as writing a letter to the editor...people (many of the same people) do it every day for every reason...including fraud. WOW."

    Your point? Other than to make yourself look like you actually know something....

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:23 pm on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "JOANNE, the more you ramble, the dumber you sound. I took the time to research the information in my post. I am betting YOU didn't even bother to look anything up to see if it is fact or fiction."

    For both Mr. Chapman's and Mr. Baumbach's benefits, here from the Washington Times (full article at http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/28/obamas-campaign-muddled-in-name-game/ ). Next time you claim I take "the time to research," try doing that yourself, Mr. Chapman, then YOU won't look as dumb as you usually do. I'll be expecting an apology from you post haste if you are man enough.

    Obama’s campaign muddled in name game
    Project Vote has taint of ACORN
    By Dave Boyer
    -
    The Washington Times
    Sunday, August 28, 2011

    "President Obama’s re-election campaign has appropriated for its voter-registration operation the name of an existing group, Project Vote, that has been the target of voter-fraud complaints tied to the much-criticized and now-defunct activist group ACORN.

    “It’s astonishing,” said Thomas Fitton, president of the public-interest group Judicial Watch. “Project Vote has a terrible reputation for people who care about voter fraud, but the campaign doesn’t care.”

    Obama for America announced Thursday that is launching Project Vote as an in-house effort to increase voter registration and participation among the Democratic base, including young voters, blacks, Hispanics, gays and American Indians."

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:19 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I do suppose that a 17 year old shouldn't have to prove his age to vote. How about 16? 15? 14? If he does...isn't that profiling??

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:17 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mr b: Hmmm...you drove your car without a license? That is against the law.

    You weren't carded when you went to the bar? The bar broke the law.

    You are "pretty sure" you can write a check to the city without an ID? I guess you are "special". Try cashing one anywhere. Try the Bay Area.

    Did you try to enter a federal courthouse and go to a tria without an ID? You broke the law. Or the cops did.

    Your ID on line is your credit card and pin number...hey send that to me. Have you ever tried to use someone else's card number and pin? You broke the law.

    Want to be a juror...bring an ID...don't...big trouble.

    In other worlds you are not in the real world. Just get an ID...and show it when you vote.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Patrick thought I would check to see if I could drive my car without ID so I went for a ride and left my ID at home did not have any trouble. At my age I can't remember the last time I was carded I can assure you I can go into any bar without ID and buy a drink. I pay most bills online (no ID) but I am pretty sure I can send Lodi a check for my lights without showing any ID and that's just real world everyday reality. Your point is well taken about registering to vote, voters do show ID when registering so there is no reason to have ID every time you vote.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:15 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Making a claim that requiring voter ID makes voting more difficult is ludicrous. I think a better case to
    make is that high prices of gas prevent more people from voting that photo id's. This baseless argument is asinine.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:16 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mr b: "what does you being drafted have to do with anything on this thread?" Since you probably never signed up for the draft you wouldn't know...let me esplain>>>

    At 18 you sign up to be drafted...you have to show some sort of ID to prove who you are..they take your name and give you a number..you go home and wait for your draft notice...they know who you are.

    Voting: You turn 18, you show an ID, get signed up to vote and then go home and wait for the next elections.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:30 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mr t: USDOJ approves these laws? How many have they approved? 30?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:28 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    34 states??? 10 ruled by the Repubs...who runs the other 24??? Of course that says nothing.

    Who voted? What were the results Dem vs Rep?

    Sorry eric: You do have to show ID to get into a courtroom, drive a car, drink alcohol, identify yourself to a police officer, get a contractor's license, on federally secured property, pay your light bill with a check, run for political office, sign many contracts...do you live in the real world?

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:47 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    'Moreover, these claims of voter fraud are frequently used to justify policies that do not solve the alleged
    wrongs, but that could well disenfranchise legitimate voters. Overly restrictive identification requirements
    for voters at the polls — which address a sort of voter fraud more rare than death by lightning — is only the
    most prominent example.'

    From Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law Report, The Truth About Voter Fraud. http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

    Further, 'not one proven case of a fraudulent vote that the ... law could prevent.'

    These laws purport to prevent fraud that does not occur on any, even barely significant, scale, but do not prevent, and additionally do disenfranchise disproportionately large segments of poor, minority, and elderly voters. Yeah, lets, make it really hard for some people to vote just to make an unsuccessful attempt to stop something that doesn't really happen. Brought to you by the GOP.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:11 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    'States have been on a tear of late to enact tighter controls on voting, including in South Carolina. Last year, 34 approved or considered tougher voting regulations, in a bid to ensure that voters who show up at the polls on Election Day are who they say they are.

    Most of the new rules were approved by Republican-controlled legislatures,' http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0111/Partisan-feud-escalates-over-voter-ID-laws-in-South-Carolina-other-states

    # 2009: New voter ID law passed in Utah
    # 2010: New voter ID law passed in Idaho; Oklahoma voters approved a voter ID proposal placed on the ballot by the Legislature
    # 2011: New voter ID laws passed in Kansas, Mississippi, Rhode Island and Wisconsin. Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas tightened existing voter ID laws to require photo ID (new laws in Texas and South Carolina are on hold pending USDOJ preclearance). Governors in Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire and North Carolina vetoed strict new photo ID laws in 2011.
    2011 legislation:
    # Kansas--HB 2067: enacted
    #Mississippi--multiple bills: all failed; however, voters approved a citizen initiative on the Nov. 8 ballot
    # Rhode Island--SB 400/HB 5680: enacted
    # Wisconsin--AB 7: enacted
    # Alabama--HB 19: enacted
    # South Carolina--HB 3003: enacted
    # Tennessee--SB 16: enacted
    # Texas--SB 14: enacted
    http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16602#Legislation

    Utah, Idaho, Oklahoma, Kansas, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas all have Republican majorities in both the senate and the house/assembly. Feel free to read more of the NCSL page to review the restrictive new voter ID legislation.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:19 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric... do you have trouble reading? Your claim is that Republicans have passed laws that make it hard to vote... You then follow with no proof... no evidence... no identified specific bills that were enacted that scare tactics were used to make it hard.

    The only thing you brought out is photo ID'S... May I ask... are you serious?
    Photo ID???? I guess that means there are scare tactics when asking people to get a drivers license with a "PHOTO"... hummm ... I think your standard of what you consider fact so low that anything you think and state is meaningless.

    If you have the ability ( which is not likely), can you please name legislation by identification number and shows evidence that the "INTENT and MOTIVE" of having photo ID"S is to make it hard to vote... it is far more likely that the intent is to make sure that the person voting is who they say they are to limit voter fraud.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:53 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Patrick do you have trouble reading, with or without Alexrod’s comments the story still points to disenfranchisement by the republicans and my comments were directed at someone else, little heavy on the ego there don't you think.
    Glad you're not in charge otherwise we'd be well on our way to a police state, really you think I should have to show my ID before I drive my car or enter a courthouse and what does you being drafted have to do with anything on this thread?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:07 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Barrow: Your source is "Axelrod told USA TODAY???? BO's campaign manager???? WOW!!! Sorry as far as your comments disparaging my comments...the shoe doesn't fit. Use your asinine comments on someone else.

    The US Government didn't have one bit of problem identifying myself or my two borthers when we were drafted. I think everyone should have to identify themselves before voting, cashing a check, getting a drivers license, driving a car (we even have to identify the car and insurance carrier), enter a public building, enter a courtroom or any other transaction necessary to be a citizen.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:59 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    WASHINGTON — State legislatures across the country have passed a record number of laws this year requiring photo identification to vote, a controversial move pushed by Republicans and opposed by Democrats. Proponents say the measures prevent vote fraud. Opponents say they are designed to stifle turnout among students, poor people and minorities, who are more likely to vote for Democrats but might lack government-issued IDs, such as driver's licenses and passports.
    Buoyed by big Republican gains in the 2010 elections, six states have enacted photo ID laws since January — Alabama, Kansas, South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee and Wisconsin. Bills in New Hampshire and North Carolina await gubernatorial action.
    The measures, all passed by Republican-controlled legislatures, could bring to 17 the number of states with photo ID requirements and come nearly 18 months before elections for Congress and the White House. Other states — including Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and West Virginia— have reduced the period for early voting. In Florida, a key battleground state, a law signed last month by Republican Gov. Rick Scott also restricts efforts to register new voters by groups such as the League of Women Voters. Republicans now control both legislative chambers in 26 states, up from 14 in 2010. David Axelrod, a top strategist in President Obama's re-election campaign, called the wave of new legislation a "calculated strategy" by Republicans to "hold down voter turnout." "I find it ironic at a time when all over the world people are struggling, marching, even dying, for the right to vote and cast meaningful votes that anybody in this country would be working to limit the franchise," Axelrod told USA TODAY.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:02 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric stated...Many on the right have used the scare tactic of voter fraud to pass legislation that makes it hard for many elderly poor and minorities to vote.

    Of course Eric lets gossip and rumor dominate his bank of knowledge in drawing conclusions that he mistakenly considers fact.

    He cannot possibly provide one bill that was enacted by the “right” that makes it hard for any citizen to vote. In fact, it is so easy for citizens and non-citizens to vote, that even Mickie Mouse has successfully voted. Is there anyone out there ( beyond first grade) that actually thinks it is difficult to vote?


    Not only is registering to vote dramatically easier than in the past, and not only do people not have to provide identification to vote, but
    Section 203 of the Voting Rights Act requires language assistance for voters, for the covered languages in covered jurisdictions, but that really means that the assistance has to occur throughout the voting process; so that’s both pre-Election Day as well as on Election Day. It includes things like written materials — translated written materials as well as oral assistance at the polls — and publicity of the availability of language assistance to the covered language groups.
    Section 203 extends protections to members of language minority communities in jurisdictions with significant language minority populations.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:44 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    The Black Panthers may or may not be guilty of harassing voters this pales in comparison to repubs passing laws that disenfranchise large groups of people. 11% of the population does not have ID that’s 20 million citizens the repubs are attempting to block from voting and I would think that most of these are poor, elderly and immigrants. Patrick your racism is showing up in your last post unless you actually have a brother running for office

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 10:18 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Kind of like the Black Panthers have done for years?? Just trying to help the brother get elected. Or ACORN has done in many local, state and federal candidates for the past decade? These "Community organizers" seem to be nothing more that high classed gang members.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:49 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Sam do you have a problem with citizens on food stamps voting. Many on the right have used the scare tactic of voter fraud to pass legislation that makes it hard for many elderly poor and minorities to vote. It's a shame that some would try to inhibit American citizens from exersizing their right to vote.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:53 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    jb: So it has come to this: "...the current "Project Vote" is a separate arm of the Obama re-election campaign and is not affiliated in any way with the Project Vote that Obama spent a whole 7 months working for 2 decades ago".

    Do you know how easy it is to get a 501C3 non-profit? As easy as writing a letter to the editor...people (many of the same people) do it every day for every reason...including fraud. WOW

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:22 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    JOANNE, the more you ramble, the dumber you sound. I took the time to research the information in my post. I am betting YOU didn't even bother to look anything up to see if it is fact or fiction. Since it was a negative about your almighty Obama regime, you ASSUMED it was all speculation. One LIBERAL teacher defending another LIBERAL teacher. You continually amaze me with your ignorance, But, please keep it up, I find it highly amusing.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:57 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jeff T stated...thanks for reaffirming that which I already knew.

    You are welcome Jeff... and thank you for reaffirming what I already knew, which is you have little to offer of substance.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:48 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Project Vote was founded in 1994 as Voting for America, and changed its name in 1997 to Project Vote/Voting for America. In 2010, the organization dropped Voting for America from its name. An earlier, unrelated organization, known as Project VOTE!, was active between 1984 and 1994. It is best remembered for a highly successful Chicago voter registration drive run by Barack Obama in 1992.


    Between 1994 and 2008, Project Vote often coordinated voter registration campaigns with local chapters of ACORN It has also worked with organizations such as Demos, National Voting Rights Institute, Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, and the Fair Elections Legal Network regarding election administration policy and voting rights, including enforcement of the National Voter Registration Act through research, litigation and technical assistance.

    wikipedia.com provided the above

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 2:47 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    thanks for reaffirming that which I already knew.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:37 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    JT stated...Apparently you know not of the use of rhetorical devices...

    You are brilliant...you dissected the essence of the letter using rhetorical devices...
    Really?

    As much as I disagree with Ms Bobin's positions and conclusions and as completely wrong as she is, at least she made an attempt to make a case for what she believes to be true.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:16 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Tillett's "Really?" is spot on.

    There is so much BS and misinformation in this letter that there is no point wasting one's time commenting, i.e., the current "Project Vote" is a separate arm of the Obama re-election campaign and is not affiliated in any way with the Project Vote that Obama spent a whole 7 months working for 2 decades ago.

    The only valid thing that Mr. Chapman had to offer was that, yes, ACORN is now a defunct organization (something West omitted). The rest is just speculation and deliberate manipulation of the facts. Surprise, surprise!

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 12:18 pm on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    From todays issue of California News:

    We all know that ACORN and the SEIU are political partners. The former head of the SEIU, the openly socialist Andy Stern was on the board of ACORN–and in many places ACORN and SEIU shared office space.

    Dozens of ACORN workers have been charged and found guilty of electoral corruption–voter and registration fraud.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:47 am on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    Apparently you know not of the use of rhetorical devices.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:37 am on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jeff Tillett posted at 7:03 am on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.... “Really”

    Jeff's student's must be so appreciative of their teacher's wisdom, analytical skills and ability to articulate the pros and cons of a topic. Thank goodness Jeff clarified this topic and added his thought and conclusions to make this thread more meaningful... thanks Jeff!

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:28 am on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Since being exposed for illegal practices ACORN has disbanded. Replaced by splinter groups with new names but with the exact same philosophy and practices, manned by the exact same people and still funded by American tax dollars from the Obama coffers to promote anti-conservative ideology and keep Obama in the White House. The DOJ turns a blind eye towards these groups. After all, they are operating in the best interest of their boss. Eric Holder needs to be impeached and imprisoned.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:19 am on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    You can bet your best shoes IF Obama had been defeated, the liberal media would have screamed VOTER FRAUD on the front pages. But since O won, everything is just peachy keen. Yeah, right. Wanna buy a bridge in SF? ACORN used every trick in the book to buy votes for Obama. Interviews with paid people ACORN used to get voters registered admitted they did illegal practices.
    From a Feb. 2009 article in CBS news "But CBS News has talked to nearly two dozen ACORN workers who all said they were pressured to increase their number of registration cards - to the point of copying names out of phone books, signing up inmates, and registering the dead."
    Nope, nothing wrong here, move along......

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:28 am on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Sam, you keep chasing those dragons (windmills)

    From the United States House of Representatives website http://judiciary.house.gov/news/091222.html
    A report released by the Congressional Research Service in 2009
    • There were no instances of individuals who were allegedly registered to vote improperly by ACORN or its employees and who were reported "attempting to vote at the polls." Memorandum from the Congressional Research Service to the House Judiciary Committee, "ACORN Investigations" (December 22, 2009), at 1.
    • As of October 2009, there have been 46 reported federal, state, and local investigations concerning ACORN, of which 11 are still pending. "ACORN Investigations," Table 1.
    • No instances were identified in which ACORN "violated the terms of federal funding in the last five years." "ACORN Investigations," at 1.
    • Recently enacted federal legislation to prohibit funding to ACORN raises significant constitutional concerns. The courts "may have a sufficient basis" to conclude that the legislation "violates the prohibition against bills of attainder." Congressional Research Service, "The Proposed ‘Defund ACORN Act’ and Related Legislation: Are They Bills of Attainder?" (November 30, 2009), at 25.
    • Concerning recent "sting" operations relating to ACORN, although state laws vary, two relevant states, Maryland and California, "appear to ban private recording of face to face conversations absent the consent of all the participants." Memorandum from the Congressional Research Service to the House Judiciary, "Allegations of Recording Conversations with Various ACORN Affiliated Individuals without Their Consent" (October 9, 2009), at 1.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:03 am on Mon, Jan 9, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 543

    "The fact that Project Vote is a corrupt organization is not up for debate. It is a known corrupt operation."

    Really?

     

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