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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2014 10:42 pm

My letter on Aug. 8, “The village is being overrun,” drew some comments that I really have to respond to.

One said how La Raza does good for many people and doesn’t support illegal immigration. It may help many people, but it’s problematic because most of them are illegally in this country.

It supports open borders and amnesty for all illegal immigrants. It supports the DREAM Act, which allows illegals to attend college at reduced rates equal to that for in-state legal residents. It supports driver’s licenses and voting rights for illegals. It opposes the Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act that empowers state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws. It opposes the REAL ID Act where applicants for driver’s licenses and photo ID verify they’re legal residents with documents that prove their identity. It advocates for full access to taxpayer-funded health care services for illegals. And it views America as a racist nation.

Another person commented that U.S. English in my letter was an advocate for English to be our official language — and the problem is? They said that Walter Cronkite, who admitted to censoring the news to fit his ideology, resigned because it was anti-Latino. I am not anti-Latino, but I am pro-American.

Another person blamed Bush, whom I have been critical of, stating that the Bush family will go down as one of the most destructive political families in our history. But Bush never unilaterally gave amnesty to 800,000 illegals who weren’t required to show proof that they had come here as children. That’s not only unconstitutional, but suicidal.

Lastly, I was told I screwed up because I didn’t mention Benghazi. Apparently liberals think its a joke when Americans are murdered, and we have a president who does nothing but go to sleep so he won’t be late for a fundraiser the next day. The real joke is Obama as president — or rather a nightmare. For the life of me, I cannot understand those who defend the indefensible of this administration and many others that preceded Obama.

Ron Portal

Lodi

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42 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 11:36 am on Sun, Aug 31, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1387

    Kevin: I think with a one party system, only 1/3 of America would never have any representation in the oval office.

    But really, the what ever is the president's party is in the Constitution. We don't have to have 2 parties or 4 parties or even just one. This isn't about switching end zones at the 2nd half of the game. Who ever is elected president, well, is what ever his party is.

    Thanks to the tea party and rush limblow and fox news, the last 8 years have been devisive. limblow himself said he hopes the president fails and would assume then that the country would fail as well. That's a good message to send the world. That's a good message that is certain to get republicans and Democrats together working for our country rather than one party just complaining ad nauseum that the President was born in Keyna or that he's a communist or that his wife is a man. Maybe your right. Maybe this is the discussion the republicans and democrats should have: Is the first lady really a man?

    All kidding aside, as I've said here many times recently, the fault of the republican party not only on a national level, but clearly here in CA, not having more influence (on matters that really count, not the gender of the first lady) rests solely on the GOP. If they had a better vision, a better plan (for anything, anything at all), if they could show for more than seven consecutive days that they have a better version of the future for minorities, they would draw more votes from minorities and there would be more of them elected.

    The future electorate is not going to have a white face. With a high number of Anglos already consistantly voting, the swing votes are going to be among minority populations. That's just the way it's going to be. The republicans just don't see that yet (what would you expect: elephants don't see very well). Instead of a consistent platform that might draw minorities in, they seem to spend their time accusing them or blaming them along with the already substantial anglo presence in the Democratic party for all the ills our country faces. Prime conservative venues (rash, fox, hannity, etc) lecture liberals daily how they are screwing up America as if that's going to get a democrat to vote for Jeb Bush.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:35 pm on Sat, Aug 30, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Kevin, I have no doubt that another party will rise from the ashes of the GOP. Truth told, in the short term I would expect two or three. The Libertarians have their best shot in 100 years at actually influencing the national dialogue and it's not likely the international mega corps and the Christian Jihad are going to quit politics. The interests of these groups, however, are swiftly diverging and the days in which they could share a cohesive platform seem to be numbered if not past.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:21 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2024

    Hmm, I believe a ONE party system would be even more destructive than the two party system has been. IF we followed your logic then about 1/2 of America would never again have any representation in the oval office. The last 8 years has been a very divisive 8 years. Imagine where the country would be after 20 years of conservatives being told they are not worth listening to.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:18 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1387

    Kevin: I'm sorry, but from you're point of reference, it may be a while before another republican is elected president. I see no worthy candidates that would satisfy enough of the "undecided" that would be inclined to choose a republican.
    And it is the the republican's fault they are in this position. Not President Obama or liberal voters. There weren't enough liberal voters for Obama to win re-election. That margin came from millions of republicans and undecided voters that didn't see Mitt Romney as president.

    It would also be a big help if the republicans wouldn't make a big push to gather minority voters one week and then drive them and more off when one of the fringe republicans opens his/her big mouth and says we need to send all hispanics back to Mexico (even if they didn't come from Mexico) or make some racially charged comment about the rioting in Jefferson Missouri.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:53 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Kevin, given the demographic shifts in the electorate and the bitter divisions in the GOP itself, I would hope that we might put "the next Republican President" in the same category as "the next Whig President".

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:46 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:45 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "next Republican president"

    Kevin, some of the Lodi's "most frazzled" on the right may not live long enough to see that!!

    [lol]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:52 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2024

    On a side note:

    I was reading an article where people were making fun of Obama's tan suit. Couldn't help but think if that was all the press core had to talk about then they need to make room for real reporters. First there are much more important things than the color of the President's suit. Second, it was a sharp looking suit.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:44 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2024

    I have no doubt there are SOME posters where race is an issue. The problem is that as soon as ANYONE criticizes the President, they are labeled as racist in an attempt by the liberals to silence all critical voices.

    Early into the Obama care debate when I voiced concern about government mandates in it a VERY liberal poster in here immediately went to the "If it was a white president then you wouldn't have a problem with it". I have seen very similar comments posted a lot. Not only on these boards but in many other pages. Playing the Race Card has become the Liberal go-to card to silence conservatives. I see it everywhere from sports to politics.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1521

    I am an admitted Bush basher, I just didn't like his cowpoke folksy way I felt it made us look bad on the world stage but I never felt the level of hatred that the current President has been subject to. I don't think you can compare the two at all. Also no one will ever convince me it isn't based in race. I have heard to many people state that they never thought there would be black President in their lifetime and that they can't imagine how someone hasn't tried to assassinate him yet. Nobody ever talked that way about Bush.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:10 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Kevin, I think you are rather naive if you think racism doesn't play a significant role in the thinking of at least some of the conservatives around here. Brian may finally have been banned but it wasn't that long ago that he was soiling these pages with some jokes straight out of the Klan's own joke book.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:23 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2024

    I have absolutely NO doubt that when the next Republican President is elected the leftist thug writers will come back. Much like they were with Bush.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:55 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Ok here we go
    Right on topic
    This just in from a Tea Party email I just received:

    "BREAKING NEWS! La Raza Pushes Obama to Act on Amnesty: 5 Million Just the Beginning...

    Hey Tea Party Loyalist,
    We've made Obama's life a living hell and have prevented him from fully advancing his radical agenda. But now the imperial dictator is moving swiftly, burning America to the ground. If you help us we can pull this out and turn it around.

    Think: how badly do you want to continue to destroy Obama's plans for amnesty, stop his destruction of our Constitution, end his gun grab or stop his relentless abuses of office and never-ending executive orders that bypass Congress?

    Look, we have campaigns ready that'll blast Obama's plans to pieces. All we need is your support!

    QUICK DONATE:
    Donate…25
    Donate…75
    Donate…100
    Donate…250
    Donate…500
    Donate…1000

    Thank you for showing your respect for our nation. I'll keep you updated on our advances.

    Steve Eichler
    CEO
    Tea Party

    P.S. - Will you do me one more favor? Sign the Impeach Obama petition today! He's creating a cesspool of toxic waste with his overspending, free-for-all for illegals and world hatred for America. Stop him now!

    ** Please forward this email to at least four of your friends and ask them to support our efforts."

    And so you wonder where the hate comes from, the misinformation and scare tactics to grab gulible peoples money. And this was a shorter and tamer email than most that come through 3 or more times a day. I wouldn't be surprise if this isn't included in another hate LTE to be published here.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 8:52 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 154

    Mr Chang Good is the reason for so much of the print of letters of the conservative peoples like the mr Portal.

    http://www.lodinews.com/blogs/marty_n_rich/article_9e357022-2994-11e4-981c-0019bb2963f4.html

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:29 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    [thumbup]
    Thank you Walter
    I couldn't have said it better myself without taking 4 times as many words.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:05 pm on Wed, Aug 27, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "some bloggers here"

    Kevin, I was referring specifically about a handful of Archconservative/Retrogressive "Christain" bloggers that are active here.

    Matter of fact, much more specific in an "earlier draft of this posting" but I had to redact their identities (think: some bloggers) to get past our benevolent censor.

    Folks, please look at the letters that come into the LNS.

    Like clockwork, we get hateful partisan drivel from this angry eccentric every two weeks.

    It's always the same tired topics, the same old partisan hyperole and just basically the same letter every time, only rearranged.

    And he's just one of the many distressed FAUXNEWS addicts around here that have an axe to grind so frequently.

    Where's the fair and balanced?

    Kevin, where are all of the leftist thug letter writers?

    [smile]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:31 pm on Wed, Aug 27, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2024

    I don't know about that Steve. Some are very good about that, posters from the left AND right. BUT others are very bad about letting hatred guide them. Any time a conservative questions Obama they are called racist. Others call Conservative thinking a mental disorder.

    I try to stay moderate as there are issues I am more conservative on and other I am liberal on. I can tell you from an outsider perspective that there are those guided by hate from both sides. They just use different tactics.

    And yes, ANY threat of harm to ANYONE should never be tolerated on these pages.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:39 am on Wed, Aug 27, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Certainly there is nothing on the left side of the aisle that could possibly rival the unbridled hate that has been focused on Joanne over the past couple of years. I am sure that I am not the only one who remembers a certain poster's threats to #%^*# slap that poor woman.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:36 am on Wed, Aug 27, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Kevin, I think most of us here try to take the "love the sinner hate the sin" approach.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:10 pm on Tue, Aug 26, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2024

    Walter, do you truly believe that it is ONLY Republicans that have so much hatred for those that think different then them?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:27 pm on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Ed, it's good to see that you have come to your senses with regard to Hillary.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 5:08 pm on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 154

    Mr Ed Walters say- Kaur; you rant about children that come into the US buy themselves, their mothers and fathers must not think very well of their kids to send them off to a country that is suppose to feed, house, educate at not cost to them, but let the US pay all expenses.

    What you are say mr Ed is only the more of the proof that you speak with out know of what you speak. Yes many children in the United States have the bad situation also - I am not believe so many of the thousands are be threat by gangs to help deliver the drugs or other gangs activity and if not the children have sisters raped or family killed for not do what drug gang want.

    I do not the care for real if you care or not because it sound like you just turn mind off about rest of world and what happens there and you can be happy. Good and happy for you able do this.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:59 pm on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1117


    Love without anger??

    Not for "some bloggers" here, their anger strengthens and keeps them focused.

    It drives them to continually lash out, publicly desprizing all that think or behave differently than themselves.

    They love "white privilege" but hate the fact that it's slipping away.

    They love the party of Ronald Reagan but have twisted his message and what he stood for, into a grotesque and hateful parody, that if still alive, would sicken the former president.

    They love what America was, back when everybody was white and Christian or at least back when the rest of us knew our place.

    They love the vengeful God of the ancient Israelites and long for his punishing ways.

    But the loving and caring doctrine of Jesus, not so much.

    Jien, I pity them too.

    [sad]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:38 am on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    [thumbup]
    Ms Kaur Bravo

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 10:31 am on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 154

    Yes mr. Schmidt. Few know that before the early time of 1900's anyone of who could pay cost of trip on boat to United States came here and were give the allow to stay so if they not sick crazy or criminal. The only was the immigration law of 1920's I am think that no one could come unless possess the visa from home country and also make the number who come from each country. So many the ancestor of many of people here now like the irish german and English come with no the permission and many many make the trip hide in the boats. Many of the desperation like today.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:47 am on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1521

    Interesting how you call me out on some basic facts but allow Ron an entire letter and never once ask him to substantiate his facts also you have yet to verify the statements I asked you about. It seems you are quite selective when it comes to verification of facts and have no trouble accepting those you agree with,including your own statements, without any verification whatsoever. (Letter: We should not look to government for empathy)

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:37 am on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1521

    Jerome stated that "These children being permitted across the border now are doing so in violation of virtually all immigration laws already on the books.". This simply isn't true just the opposite is true if the government were to send them back it would be in violation of The Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA) of 2000 a federal statute passed into law in 2000 by the U.S. Congress and signed by President Clinton. The law was later reauthorized by Presidents Bush and Obama.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:22 am on Mon, Aug 25, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1521

    As usual Ron is off base. Looking into La Raza I can find nowhere that they advocate for open borders, amnesty for all or free healthcare. I have no problem with La Raza's support of the Dream Act it's good law and until the Tea Pots showed up it had bipartisan support. The Real ID act has been law since Bush so I don't know what difference La Raza's opposition makes. I don't know where Ron gets his info from but his letters are not quite factual.
    As far as Benghazi goes we don't think the death of Americans is funny but the right's fascination with it and their attempt to use it for political purposes is pathetic.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 8:51 pm on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 527

    Schmidt states, leave the governance of this country to those who have the necessary testicular fortitude, I nominate Hillary Clinton

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 5:01 pm on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 154

    Mr Ed Walters please to allow to borrow a favorite say that you use here. I have forgot more regard the immigration law here and around the world than you will ever learn or even to the pretend to know. With no reveal my back ground of the education and experience I own you cannot compare the what I know with you lack of knowledge. Sorry to say you should not crow like the rooster of the early light.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 4:13 pm on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 527

    Kaur; you rant about children that come into the US buy themselves, their mothers and fathers must not think very well of their kids to send them off to a country that is suppose to feed, house, educate at not cost to them, but let the US pay all expenses. Send them back, Kaur, you don`t know Jack. My feelings are my own and I don`t need God to make decisions for me, because I differ from you doesn`t mean I hate anyone. There are enough kids in this country who suffer the same problems and they are citizens.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:34 pm on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    [thumbup]

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 12:01 pm on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Anyone think the Kindermans had a permit from the Native Americans when they first came to these shores? If we are going to deport people, lets do it chronologically, starting with those who trespassed first.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 11:25 am on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 154

    I have decided to amend my original comments made on Saturday evening. For the one who is “suspicious,” I have the help of my English tutor so my words can be clear and correct. After much prayer for the correct direction to take and after speaking with others at the Gurudwara today I cannot help but respond to the anger displayed by Mr. Jerome Kinderman and to make corrections to his perceptions paragraph by paragraph.

    All people who come to the United States are immigrants - whether they come here legally or illegally. Mr. Portal in his letter made the claim that members of La Raza were here illegally. With absolutely no proof or support for this statement, Mr. Portal wants the public reading his letter to “believe” this statement which is very incorrect. The statement itself simply promotes his hateful and less than knowledgeable opinion.

    Mr. Kinderman states that the children crossing the border are being permitted to do so “under the auspices of the Executive Branch of the United States government – illegally.” No one in the U.S. government is enticing these children to cross the border once they are here. How they are provoked to do so is another matter. There is, however, a law in place signed by President Bush (twice) that compels the U.S. government to provide humanitarian aid and other provisions to these children. It is very sad that people, especially those who claim to adhere to a religion, have no place in their hearts and souls to have compassion for children who are trying desperately to escape circumstances that people like Mr. Kinderman have never witnessed, let alone could imagine.

    As for the question of amnesty, what, Mr. Kinderman, would you have the government do with the part of the estimated 11 million people who have lived and worked in the United States for many years and have lived lawful lives? Yes, entering illegally is not lawful. I am speaking apart from that. It is well known that the administration of President Obama has deported more than 2 million since he became president. That is following the law. But I make the assumption that you would support a mass exodus of these individuals.

    As for the “granting blanket amnesty,” I make the presumption that you are speaking of the children brought here by parents illegally and have lived here and know no other country – those who would qualify for DACA – deferred action. There is no “blanket amnesty.” Why is this so difficult to comprehend? I can only say that people like Mr. Portal and Mr. Kinderman refuse to read and educate themselves about this act. Mr. Portal says they do not have to provide any “proof” that they have been here in the United States. That is an untruth – there is no disputing the fact that is untrue. These children (and young adults) must accumulate a huge amount of documentation to qualify and must pay large fines and fees. That is why many, many have not gone through the process.

    As far as being “a nation of laws,” as an immigrant myself who has legally immigrated to several countries before coming to the U.S., I know more about the immigration law here than Mr. Kinderman would probably care to read to educate himself because I have gone through the process. People do not “wait in line” to become citizens. They wait in line to become legal residents. Then one must wait 5 years after becoming a legal resident before applying for citizenship and then complete a long list of requirements to prove one’s worth to become a citizen. As a citizen yourself I am surprised that you do not know this information, Mr. Kinderman.

    Also, those children and young adults who go through the DACA process do not “jump the line” to become citizens. They more likely jump through large hoops to meet the requirements which are large and I suggest that you look for yourself at the Homeland website to find the correct information instead of making assumptions. Applying for this process does not allow them to become citizens or legal residents. It simply qualifies them to defer any type of deportation action.

    Now, to the question of “hate.” Yes, there is anger, as you say, Mr. Kinderman, in the two letters written by Mr. Portal. Hate, however, is defined as: “to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest.” I cannot deny that the words of Mr. Portal and a few of your own fit this definition. If Mr. Portal were without “passion,” he would not take the time to write two letters that display his “extreme hostility” toward immigrants either legal or illegal. Rather, he would take the time to educate himself on the subject instead of making comments that actually sound rather like the so-called talking points of conservative commentators that he is parroting.

    “Tiresome?” No, nothing is tiresome to combat if it is unjust. Hate is unjust. Hate leads to violence, which, as you can see around the world and in this country also, is very destructive and only serves to further hate. I hope that you can find it in your heart and soul to come to an educated understanding of the situation of “illegal aliens” and look to rational solutions instead of simply – as my tutor has suggested this expression – “standing on a soapbox” yelling untruths that only serve to incite others who have not the ability to comprehend such difficult matters.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:00 am on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1478

    Ms Kaur
    Thank you for your work with DACA. Its a very important work for Americas future.
    And you are correct Mr Portal is a very angry man amongst a host of angry men who load up on their hate regularly on the conservative entertainment media complexes (like Fox Cable TV Commentaries, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, etc) and then join hate groups like the Tea Party, or Judicial watch among the hundreds of hate peddlers. Its a particular kind of politics and its driven by money. Conservatives tend to be a very emotional group with a very limited outlook on life and tend to reduce complex issues into simplistic, all though alarmist, rhetoric.

    Now the irony about immigration is that, as you probably know, Hispanic people use to own this part of the country. Well, we just moved in and took this part of the country from them. No waiting, no lines to stand in, no papers to fill out, we just took it.

    Now the Tea Party has gotten to a fear point where they see our government as a threat and have even proposed sedition and promote the 2nd amendment as the single element of the constitution to be considered "sacred". They no longer hide behind the need for guns as a right primarily for hunting. They now are admitting that it is needed if they decide they need to stand against or over take the government. Thats sedition and AGAINST THE LAW. So law breaking is a hit and miss proposition to them. Taking away voting rights for minorities is also against the principles of our constitution but its ok in their eyes to violate.

    So as it is true the only reason our freedoms continue is the laws needed to enforce their protection. However to accuse someone from a foreign country of breaking our immigration law is ridiculous. Only we can break our own immigration laws. To treat those coming over as law breakers because they are seeking relief from their own countries short comings is only natural. Hunger is not a wait and follow the long process, it is immediate and desperate. Accusing them of breaking our law is simply racist. We have some very powerful business people who use foreign labor and have a lot of sway with our legislatures. To attack minorities who have come here or demonize them or yell at young children is despicable and lowly. The real criminals are in Washington DC who refuse to face facts and deal with immigration reform sensibly. Conservatives have whipped up so much hate over the topic they have painted themselves into a corner (again) and making it impossible to have a civil conversation. We have companies who need skilled laborers not available in the US and unskilled laborers who will do the jobs turned down by our own citizens. All of these people have families that need to be reconciled with.

    Now conservatives fear minorities because they represent the rest of the world they are out of sync with. Just like you posited before, their reckless nature of invading a country like Iraq found them at odds with the rest of the world who opposed it. They were opposed by half of our country who saw it as a disastrous undertaking that only lies could push us into. So the whole world and half of this country tend to agree on what is a bad idea so the conservatives remain an island unto themselves and their numbers are diminishing. It was like slavery where the rest of the world got rid of it and most of this country opposed it conservatives found themselves on their tiny island desperatly holding fast to the practice. They are as desperate now as before.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:57 am on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    As for immigration Mr Portal, don't let the facts get in the way of your partisanship.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:56 am on Sun, Aug 24, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2410

    Mr Portal, we are in a war. People die. If you and your conservative fellow travelers can't take that, perhaps it is time for you to withdraw from politics and leave the governance of this country to those who have the necessary testicular fortitude.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:34 pm on Sat, Aug 23, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 378

    If one wants to see what La Raza stands for, then you should check out their website instead of believing Mr. Portal, who provides no sources for his claims. From La Raza's website: "Unfortunately, NCLR has been called an “open-borders advocate” and the “illegal alien lobby” numerous times. NCLR has repeatedly recognized the right of the United States, as a sovereign nation, to control its borders. Moreover, NCLR has supported numerous specific measures to strengthen border enforcement, provided that such enforcement is conducted fairly, humanely, and in a nondiscriminatory fashion "

    http://www.nclr.org/index.php/about_us/faqs/the_truth_about_nclr/border_security_and_immigration/

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 6:49 pm on Sat, Aug 23, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 154

    There is so sad no debate or need to answer the untruths or mistake of information of your statements. You heart is hard and you make the obvious that you no not the laws that permit the new children to be care for here.

    I will pray the hate leaves you and the mr Portals hearts and that the great God will forgive the hate you have for you fellow humans who are in the great danger of they lives. God bless you mr. Kinderman.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 6:23 pm on Sat, Aug 23, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 527

    Kaur has a lot to learn. Very well said Mr. Kinderman [thumbup]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:44 pm on Sat, Aug 23, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2354

    You want "truth" Jien Kaur? Then please try to keep with it yourself. These people are not "immigrants," they are illegal immigrants or illegal aliens - either identification is perfectly acceptable. These children being permitted across the border now are doing so in violation of virtually all immigration laws already on the books. They're doing it under the auspices of the Executive Branch of the United States government - illegally.

    I don't know how long you've been here, but ever since Ronald Reagan made the horrendous mistake of granting amnesty back in the 1980's, nothing has been done to fully secure our borders; nothing has been done to ensure that the laws were being enforced; nothing has been done to make sure that those who are found here to be illegal, that they are sent back to their homes across the borders. So now we have a much bigger problem than ever. Is granting blanket amnesty the answer? In a word - NO. Absolutely not!

    We are a nation of laws, Jien Kaur, just in case you weren't aware of that, not a nation of individuals who are permitted to circumvent the law whenever the mood hits them. We're not doing illegal aliens any favors by letting them stay here against the law; and we're certainly not sending much of a message to the thousands who have been waiting in line to become citizens - sometimes for years - by letting 500,000 or 800,000 or even ONE to jump the line.

    There's no hate in Mr. Portal's letter - there may be some anger, but no hate. Try to discern the difference. I am very angry myself, but not so much toward those who are easily able to dance over our borders, but more toward our elected officials who continue to permit it. And Mr. Portal or anyone else who believes in the rule of law have every right to be angry. So let's try not to make more out of this than what is really there. Frankly, this "hate" thing has gotten just a bit tiresome.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 8:49 am on Sat, Aug 23, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 154

    This why I love United States. Person can say anything that is the lie and anyone can believe with no consequence. Mr Portal I do the volunteer for help with the defered action people and let me give links to rules that prove you not telling the correct about 'no proof.' The number '800,000' not correct also because estimate is half million but these not receive the amnesty like other not truth you say. Why why do people make the not truth for these? Only make the continue of hate for the immigrant.

    I think statement about La Raza also the not truth especial that 'most of them' who are 'them'? Member of La Raza? Too much hate in the letter of the mr Portal and too many not truths.

    http://www.nclr.org/index.php/issues_and_programs/immigration/

    http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consideration-deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-daca

     

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