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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:31 am, Thu Sep 27, 2012.

Here are some random thoughts about the achievements and ideas of our conservative Republican friends:

The two greatest financial disasters in American history happened under their watch after being in power for eight years, in both 1929 and 2008.

The biggest terrorist attack in American history on Sept. 11, 2001, with much new information coming out that they completely ignored many warnings of its approach.

The war in Iraq, searching for non-existent weapons of mass destruction which is by any measure certainly one of the biggest policy blunders of all time.

Seventy-eight percent of the national debt before President Obama was put there by conservative Republicans.

There are several states with Republican majorities mandating invasive ultrasounds before having an abortion for women who have been raped or victims of incest.

Since 1961, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. Republicans created 24 million, the Democrats 42 million in four less years.

President Bush appointed a horse lawyer to FEMA who could not figure out how to get water to victims of Hurricane Katrina.

Republicans passing strict voter ID laws openly admitting that they are doing it for partisan political purposes.

Republicans routinely vote against laws that demand equal pay for equal work for women.

The use of supply side economics — or as Bush the Elder so aptly put it, “voodoo economics” — has led to the hollowing out of the middle class.

They have a bias against science, especially arithmetic.

The list is much, much larger, but due to word count constraints I will stop here.

John Lucas

Lodi

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Welcome to the discussion.

241 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:53 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Christina stated...I agree with much of what you say...( John Lucas)

    May I ask, does your occupation involve diplomacy? I appreciate your style.

    You stated: Since 1961, we have seen 26 terms of Congress, with Democrats controlling both houses for 16 of them, Republicans controlling both for 5, and a mix between the two for 5 of them.

    This statement reflects my understanding as well. Mr Lucas states that 100% of America's economic problems are a result of conservative policies and 100% of the economic successes are a result of liberal policies and ideas.

    So when you state, you agree with much of what he has to say, it appears to be contradictory. Can you please clarify.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:38 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Lodi 1970 Posts: 85

    John,
    Just got a chance to read your letter, and boy did you stir up a lot of commentary! I am not going to read it, however, as I prefer to have a conversation with you about your ideas. I agree with much of what you say, but again, I think you are ignoring the role of Democrats in much of our recent history. Since 1961, we have seen 26 terms of Congress, with Democrats controlling both houses for 16 of them, Republicans controlling both for 5, and a mix between the two for 5 of them. A president alone cannot make policy, and to ignore the role of Congress here (and the Democratic majorities) seems unfair. Both parties have messed up this country, although each has had their own unique approaches and agendas in doing so.

     
  • Larry Hamilton posted at 4:55 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Larry Hamilton Posts: 52

    Nobody's perfect.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:28 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Interesting that you thought my post was about YOU. I guess if the "shoe fits"?
    At least you recognize yourself.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:02 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Good grief Mr. Heuer. [rolleyes]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:05 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Voter fraud doesn't occur if they don't vote

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:38 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]... http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/01/california-gop-voter-fraud/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:31 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Actually I have just shown that the "in person voter fraud" that you claim "doesn't exist" does exist. [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:11 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Andrew good one. You have just now shown how the hysteria of voter fraud has sent a lot of "kids" out to see if they can game the system. This is just l;ike the Eric Holder impersonation video. Who is asking for lists of dead people and in what number? This all started when a xasual news item stated the voter rosters aren't regularly pured. I knew when republicans heard that they would go bananas and they did. Right on que. I vote absentee ballot which some have said that is a concern.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:14 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    In post below, Andrew was typed in error, it was supposed to be Mr Lucas.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:12 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Can dead people vote? Apparently they can.

    http://youtu.be/3bbbXXkRG74

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:54 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly Joe...After George W. Bush defeated Al Gore at the ballot box liberals were outraged. Sure, Gore had never been ahead at any point, but OBVIOUSLY voter fraud had cost Democrats the election. Afterwards, Democrats DEMANDED that we do more to insure the integrity of our elections.

    The claim that there is no voter fraud in the U.S. is patently ridiculous, given our rich and unfortunate history of it. As the U.S. Supreme Court said when it upheld Indiana's photo-ID law in 2008, "Flagrant examples of such fraud . . . have been documented throughout this Nation's history." The liberal groups that fought Indiana's law didn't have much luck with liberal justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote the 6-3 decision.

    Liberals like Mr. Heuer think that if they make the claim that in person fraud doesn't exist as though it were an indisputable fact, therefore it will become a fact. All they have to do is repeat the claim over and over again until it sticks.

    How can anyone support voter ID or other measures to secure the ballot when even the NAACP opposes it they say?

    Well, While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme. In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee. Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently... ...Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross. ….The NAACP has had other problems with voter fraud. The NAACP National Voter Fund registered a dead man to vote in Lake County, Ohio, in 2004. That same year, out of 325 voter registration cards filed by the NAACP in Cleveland, 48 were flagged as fraudulent.

    Despite the FACTS Thomas Heuer will likely still insist, “Andrew, voter fraud does not exist.”

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:08 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Andrew, should ROMNEY win the election, you can bet all the LIBERAL progressives will be screaming "voter fraud" at the top of their collective lungs.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:11 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Response to Andrew below

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:09 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    OK I may have not clearly stated above "How ever what isn't talked about is the other voter fraud is where I thought you might go. That fraud has to do with precincts stuffing ballot boxes and stealing balots,etc." I should have included "electronic" voting machine. Again the legislation is not directed to these problems. When I say voting at the ballot box I should have said "in person" voting where they are now requireing "photo IDs"where it was not required or different than what was required. This legislation states that voter fraud, in person voter fraud, is is occuring and this legislation is needed.
    Again the rush for this legislation before the election is sinister.
    Ihttp://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/sep/19/naacp/-person-voter-fraud-very-rare-phenomenon/
    And as I said "fixing the vote" after people vote "ballot box stuffing, electronic voting-program hacking,yes that is and has occured. The video will be remembered more if Romney wins since this That would be more of a suprise and Conservatives are more likely to tamper with votes.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:46 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I can assure you these individuals have no idea why their names are capitalized Daniel.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:18 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Two words Mr. Heuer. Cognitive Dissonance.

    Simply Google "voter fraud at ballot box" and READ. You are living in denial.

    P.S. Rep. Tom Feeney (Fmr. Speaker of The House in Florida) employed this man from Oviedo, FL to rig elections and flip them 51% to 49%.

    http://youtu.be/t4aKOhbbK9E

    and remember this video when they tell you Obama won by 2%

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:56 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    the honesty is born by the evidence. There is no evidence of voter fraud at the ballot box. See my note to Andrew below.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:54 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Andrew
    The voter fraud discussion has to do with the voting at the ballot box. This is where the laws are directed towards reducing the possibility of fraud. However by restricting the possibility of fraud previous voters are being restricted as a result creating a suppression of their votes. There is no evidence of fraud at the ballot box itself. Now the fiascos at the RNC and DNC conventions is known and witnessed. How ever what isn't talked about is the other voter fraud is where I thought you might go. That fraud has to do with precincts stuffing ballot boxes and stealing balots,etc. The legislations in the states aren't addressing this. Individual voting opportunities are being taken away due to a theoretical and noexistent problem. If you want to say it is addressing a possible problem in the future there would not be a need to rush the legislation before the next election.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:42 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If honesty is considered a virtue why does nobody care to acknowledge the truth?

    The truth is fraud was perpetrated on the American people by BOTH parties.

     
  • stan taves posted at 7:58 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Voter fraud: The left says that the right is motivated by their desire to suppress the vote; while the right claims that the opportunity for fraud is clearly in the left's favor. The question then becomes: Who is more likely to carry the the burden of honesty?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:53 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    It happened and you watched it happen, unless of course you are blind as well as deaf and dumb. [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:51 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Do you notice the difference between you and I joe? I am very specific. I give the context. You just make baseless accusations and character assassinations as you just did.You and Darrell are brothers not because you share the same politics but because you share the same moral code.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:31 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Aha, I guess if you are a liberal egomaniac you can attack posters with baseless accusations, call people idiots, morons, liars and any other degrading term that suits them at the time, BUT, when they get a taste of their own medicine, they cry "foul". WAaaaa, WHINE on LIBERALS.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:19 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mike, I attempted to put Darrell on ignore. He said the last time I lasted 8 days. I would have continued but he came out again and was going to use my sister as a weapon. This is across the line.
    This board would be a great opportunity for honorable people, Conservative to Liberal, to have spirited debates about the direction of our country. Unfortunately we have Conservatives of the Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannitty school of debate here which Darrell is the most prolific. They will say anything and honor and integrity are just words to them.
    Most blogs have some sort of mechanism to control people like Darrell. Here they let him run amuck slandering people and refusing to behave in a honorable decent manner. If LNS refuses to temper his behavior then it is up to the users to do. I remind you I had put him on ignore and he continued post after post to come after me. Usually places like this are a dialog. People having conversations. With Darrell there is no escaping him. He just pours it on. His record is 13 straight posts without a response. He is not interested in having a conversation and it is time for the users here to complain about his behavior.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:38 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The one I like is Andrew's inane video where a guy goes into a voting station and is going to be allowed to vote for Eric Holder. Andrew thinks this proves widespread voter fraud. If this was the case many people would go to the polls and be told they have already voted. This does not happen because the situation described in the video does not happen.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:37 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Yes. I had them deleted.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:23 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Just wondering, in light of another WAC, how does someone record someone recieving what is supposed to be a secret ballot? Absentee ballot? Why wouldn't someone with some degree of responsibility notify the police?

    This is where all the WAC by conservatives begin to fall apart. In order for what has been reported to be true, someone would have had to steal the AG's absentee ballot.
    The ballots you recieve at the polling location don't have anyone's name on them, everyone gets the same ballot, at least for major elections.

    So someone stole the AG's absentee ballot, then gave it to someone to give to an average Joe on the street, while the thief, or his confederate recorded the crime and posted it on you tube.

    Not what this sounds like is another WAC by conservatives trying to show there is voter fraud. Well there is and it's perpetuated by the conservatives.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:21 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    As Mr. Taves correctly pointed out many posts ago, "The folks on the left aren't armed with facts; they are armed with emotion."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:12 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Andrew voter fraud does not exist." What planet are you people on? [sleeping]

    I just showed you voter fraud! For heavens sake Mr. Heuer, voter fraud recently took place at both the RNC and DNC Conventions on live television!!!

    http://youtu.be/HmaE2Aez_XY

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:02 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I noticed Mr Lucas is attempting to hide the posts he made on the daily Kos re Ms Neely,sister. Good thing I made screen shots to perserve his thoughts... will come in handy I think.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:56 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas, I suggest you talk to your sister, Cynthia Neely, who writes a column for Lodi News Sentinel as a progressive liberal democrat. She might better assist you in determining what an opinion is and how one draws it.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:55 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    To Darrell
    Well I guess if we don't have the actual quotes we can't verify. However just so you know I would never bet on my memory in many cases.
    But I would never invest in stock on yours.

     
  • stan taves posted at 2:51 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    This ain't right! This tread should have been done long ago. You know? I can't remember the last time I saw anyone whip a dead horse so hard. STOP IT!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:46 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Andrew voter fraud does not exist. At least in any number that would impact an election. I heard the story before on the video about the guy who walks in and says he is Eric Holder and is accepted as such. You knopw how many people would have to do that to have any impact? Do you realize that this will reveal a problem when the real person comes in to find his name already scratched? (wheres the news on that?)Do you realize people vote in their own neighborhoods where more times than not they are recognized? Do you realize there is a chance the real person is standing there when you go into impersonate him for his ballot? Think Andrew. Again a video is misleading and in no way addresses reality. Concerns about voter fraud is subterfuge to fool gullible people into accepting voter suppression legislation. IT'S A REAL CONSPIRACY UNDER YOUR NOSE. You don't even have to dig for it like the guy in the "Innoscence of Muslims" video I so painfully sat through. You see I do watch some of them.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    wow! Darrell said:

    In a earlier thread, Mr Lucas claimed something happened in Lodi. In my opinion, based on the situation, I believe he was making up the story. That cannot possible be based in fact as it was a judgment call.

    Thank you for making my case. The fact that you admit it amazes me. Why don't you tell everyone how when you found out you were wrong in your slander of my integrity you humbly apologized? Oh you did not bother because for you it is ok behavior. Well I have been in the same situation because I make mistakes like everyone else. The difference is that I know how to say "sorry I was wrong". That is the real difference between us.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:25 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...His ( Darrell's) posts are opinion and by his self admission do not have to be based on facts or truth. Be advised anything he says does not have to be based on reality...

    Great observation. I plead guilty to posting my opinions in a forum designed for people to express their opinions.

    For example, I believe, in my opinion, that Mr Lucas is an intelligent man who sincerely believes liberalism is a good thing for America. In my opinion, he is wrong. I do not have documented facts that my opinion is accurate, but based on the experience I have, I believe my opinion to be true... if it turns out that my opinion is wrong, I then will have to change my opinion.

    In a earlier thread, Mr Lucas claimed something happened in Lodi. In my opinion, based on the situation, I believe he was making up the story. That cannot possible be based in fact as it was a judgment call.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:12 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...The Republicans who are doing these laws are not doing it because of voter fraud for voter fraud is not a problem.

    I have heard of a politician drafting legislation. I am trying to visualize what a politician is doing when they are in the process in as Mr Lucas describes.." doing these laws"

    Can you please clarify Mr Lucas so the people like me that have a lower IQ than people such as yourself, can comprehend what it is you mean.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:43 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Mr. Chapman, almost had me fooled there, until I read the end of your post, I thought you were talking about John Lucas.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:12 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The fact that you can do it does not mean that it is happening. The reason it very rarely is that there is not payoff for the person doing it. The Republicans who are doing these laws are not doing it because of voter fraud for voter fraud is not a problem. They are doing it because it disenfranchises voters who will vote against them and have been quite open about it. The other problem especially in Pennsylvania is the fact the the state is not equipped to handle getting people ID's.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Your deleted posts speak for themselves...[sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:58 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    O.K. You are probably correct.

    Democrats like to claim voter fraud does not exist.

    How can they make this claim when poll workers on Primary Day in Washington, DC offered Mr. Attorney General Eric Holder’s voting ballot to a complete stranger?

    See for yourself: http://youtu.be/P5p70YbRiPw

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:28 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Did you make the same comment about George Bush? If it could be proven I would be willing to bet he did more dope than Obama ever did and talk about radicals he chose Dick Cheney as his VP

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:16 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Some advice Andrew. No one is going to read you whole post. If you want to make a point, keep it simple, short and to the point.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:10 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Hmmm. a one time doper and stewed in radical liberalism by a "mentor". Does this sound familiar? Oh yeah, he is the occupier of the oval office.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:09 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Why is it the countries that have a large wealthy class and large and thriving middle classes go with Obama' and FDR's ideas and those that go with your ideas have a small wealthy class, no middle class to speak of, and the rest living in poverty?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:53 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Before the LNS shuts down yet another thread due to the usual off topic non-sense let's tale another look at Mr. Lucas's letter shall we...

    1.)“The two greatest financial disasters in American history happened under their watch after being in power for eight years, in both 1929 and 2008.”

    REALITY CHECK: The total liabilities of the United States government, including future social security and medicare payments that the U.S. government is already committed to pay out, now exceed 65 TRILLION dollars, which is more than the entire GDP of the whole world!
    Since Barack Obama became president, the U.S. national debt has increased by an average of more than $64,000 per taxpayer.
    Sadly, the U.S. national debt is now more than 5000 times larger than it was when the Federal Reserve was first created.
    43 straight months of unemployment over 8%, which the Joint Economic Committee of Congress confirms is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression almost 75 years ago.
    A recently revised IMF policy paper entitled “An Analysis of U.S. Fiscal and Generational Imbalances: Who Will Pay and How?” projects that U.S. government debt will rise to about 400 percent of GDP by the year 2050.
    Now most people have a really hard time grasping just how much money 16 trillion dollars actually is. If right this moment you went out and started spending one dollar every single second, it would take you more than 31,000 years to spend one trillion dollars. And it would take you more than half a million years to spend 16 trillion dollars!

    2.)“The biggest terrorist attack in American history on Sept. 11, 2001, with much new information coming out that they completely ignored many warnings of its approach.”

    REALITY CHECK: While the Clinton Administration slept during the terrorists’ war against the United States, John P. O’Neill did all he could to fight the radical Islamists who wished to place the American people in harm’s way. In fact, Clinton’s own FBI director, Louis Freeh, says the former president let down the American people. O’Neill faced political opposition from members of the Clinton Administration, who ignored his reports and warnings.

    3.)“The war in Iraq, searching for non-existent weapons of mass destruction which is by any measure certainly one of the biggest policy blunders of all time.”

    REALITY CHECK: The infamous “Downing Street Memo” and its “fixed” intelligence for invading Iraq came from then-MI6 head, John Dearlove and Prime Minister Tony Blair.

    4.)“Seventy-eight percent of the national debt before President Obama was put there by conservative Republicans.”

    REALITY CHECK: This is a joke, right?

    5.)“There are several states with Republican majorities mandating invasive ultrasounds before having an abortion for women who have been raped or victims of incest.”

    REALITY CHECK: No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent.

    6.)“Since 1961, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. Republicans created 24 million, the Democrats 42 million in four less years.”

    REALITY CHECK: Barack Obama is the second-worst private jobs creator of the last half-century (George W. Bush is first, but still created far more net jobs than Obama overall), putting Obama dead last if you include state and federal jobs in these statistics.

    7.)“President Bush appointed a horse lawyer to FEMA who could not figure out how to get water to victims of Hurricane Katrina.”

    REALITY CHECK: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin (Democrat) failed to implement his evacuation plan and ordered residents to a shelter without any provisions for food, water, security, or sanitary conditions. He also delayed his emergency evacuation order until less than a day before landfall, which led to hundreds of deaths because people could no longer find any way out of the city. And we all remember the pictures of school bus parking lots full of yellow school buses, which Mayor Nagin (Democrat) refused to use in the evacuation. Why? He said they weren’t covered with insurance liability and there was a shortage of bus drivers. Governor Blanco (Democrat) also was to blame for her mistakes. But in fairness to all, we must keep in mind that this was the worst natural disaster in U.S. History. It was also the first time that FEMA was operating under the newly created Department of Homeland Security. The poor response of federal, state, and local authorities to prepare for and respond to the disaster is an example of government failure at all levels.

    8.)“Republicans passing strict voter ID laws openly admitting that they are doing it for partisan political purposes.”

    REALITY CHECK: Several states have attempted to implement voter ID laws, but have been viciously attacked by Eric Holder’s Justice Department at every turn. Eric Holder has said multiple times there exists no evidence of Voter Fraud.
    Well, he's dead WRONG! Poll workers on Primary Day in Washington, DC offered Mr. Attorney General Eric Holder’s voting ballot to a complete stranger.

    See for yourself: http://youtu.be/P5p70YbRiPw

    9.)“Republicans routinely vote against laws that demand equal pay for equal work for women.”

    REALITY CHECK: The Equal Pay Act of 1963 explicitly banned wage and job discrimination on the basis of sex.
    Additionally, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, between January 2009, when Obama took office, and March 2012, there has been a net decline of 740,000 jobs for both men and women. But (it’s a big BUT) among women there has been a net loss of 683,000 jobs. So 92.3 percent of the jobs lost under Obama were lost by women!

    10.)“The use of supply side economics — or as Bush the Elder so aptly put it, “voodoo economics” — has led to the hollowing out of the middle class.”

    REALITY CHECK: Real median household income has decreased by more than $4,000 since Barack Obama entered the White House. The number of Americans living in poverty has risen by 6 million and the number of Americans on food stamps has risen by 15 million.

    11.)“They have a bias against science, especially arithmetic.”

    REALITY CHECK: No one ever accused the Democrats of being mathematical wizards, but there is something pathetic about their current attacks on the “rich”. The very people they count on to pay for all of their entitlements.It is ironic, to say the least, that from the Democrats’ perspective the nation suffers, more than anything else, from a shortage of rich people.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:48 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Would you now be willing to acknowledge that a "incorrect lecture on time zones" wasn't incorrect nor a very intelligent thing to say? Of course you wouldn't. [rolleyes]

    Let me dumb it down for you Mike... The show can be heard live (in Lodi) between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 12:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time. [lol

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:41 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    lets see how long before they take this board down

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:36 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I never said you have a low IQ. This is my contention about you.

    There are two kinds of stupid in this world. There are people who are unfortunately born that way. Then there is the self made stupid. These people do not understand that true intelligence is a combination of integrity and native intelligence. It does not matter to them if 2 + 2 = 4. It can be anything to them because facts and truth are not important to them. I do not expect you to understand this.

    I do not despise you for your politics. I despise you for your willingness to knowingly lie and slander people. I despise you for the way when confronted with a fact you cannot refute you immediately turn to slander or change the subject with a different talking point.
    What really makes me angry is that this is a great opportunity for people of honor, both conservative and liberal, to argue about the politics of the day. Sadly, the people who run these boards allow people without integrity, no honor and a willingness to lie and slander to put over 8000 posts up poisoning what could be a wonderful experience.

    "It was an opinion of mine, I was not stating I have documented proof"
    Opinion not fact!
    Opinion not truth!
    That's your normal modus operandi.
    All opinion all the time. Nothing new here folks!!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:34 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The first year of every presidential term starts with a budget approved by the previous administration and Congress. Not exactly. The previous administration, or President, proposes a budget. The previous Congress approves a budget. And what Congress approves can be radically different from what the President proposes.

    President Bush in February, 2008 proposed a budget with just a 3% spending increase over the prior year. Fiscal year 2009 ran from October 1, 2008 until September 30, 2009. President Obama’s term began on January 20, 2009. The budget approved and implemented by Pelosi, Obama and the rest of the Congressional Democrat majorities provided for a 17.9 percent increase in spending for fiscal 2009.

    Contrary to official Lucas Keynesian witchcraft, you don’t promote economic recovery, growth and prosperity by borrowing a trillion dollars out of the economy to spend a trillion dollars back into it.

    The Democrat Congress [in 2008], confident Obama was going to win in 2008, passed only three of fiscal 2009’s 12 appropriations bills (Defense, Military Construction and Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security). The Democrat Congress passed the rest of them [in 2009], and [President] Obama signed them. So Obama played a very direct role in the runaway fiscal 2009 spending explosion.

    Congressional Quarterly (subscription required) maps out a history of the FY 2009 final appropriations bills (H.R. 1105 and PL 111-8), that would lead one to attribute most of the accelerated spending in FY 2009 to President Obama in a piece titled “2009 Legislative Summary: Fiscal 2009 Omnibus.” From CQ, “the omnibus provided a total of $1.05 trillion — $410 billion of it for discretionary programs — and included many of the domestic spending increases Democrats were unable to get enacted while George W. Bush was president.” This statement alone undercuts Lucas's whole premise that FY 2009 is wholly Bush spending.

     
  • stan taves posted at 8:34 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    This thread is getting long in the tooth, but ok, I'll give it another go. If you support Obama's redistributive policies, the you are at odds with the wealth creators, or "individual success". In other words, if you support individual success then you can't support the guy who wants to take in the name of "fairness". Obama can't define fairness any more than any other lib, yet you are determined to follow him anyway. Here, let me share this one with y'all again: So they all fell in line, but where does it go? It goes that way, or didn't you know. I could see that the answers were not easily found; they all marched one line while there were other to pound. So I pulled from that line and I watched for a while, I watched as they marched and as they forced a weak smile. Then the eagle shrieked loudly as the dogs barked below, fear everywhere, madness, wondering where they would go. ...To a frightening place where day and night are wed, in a grave with no bottom, an abyss for the undead. I've done everything that I can to warn you people about the errors of your ways; unfortunately for yourselves, and quite possibly the entire nation, you continue to reject my sound advice. Sad yellow face.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:00 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You said

    I make comments to defend my position and to refute what I think is incorrect.

    Really? Please explain what position you were defending when you said this:

    Evidently, Mr Lucas must have spent too much time in entertainment establishments in foreign countries that has caused his memory to be fuzzy... glad to be of service to you my dear friend...

    Just what are you defending here? You never defend anything. You have never had a real debate for as long as I have known you. You either respond with a personal attack as above or with a talking point that is not even related to what the other person was saying. The only reason you have a place on these boards is because of the laxity of the supervision of them. Anywhere else you would have been gone long ago. You do nothing but bring the quality of the debate down to the level of ugliness, smallness and meanness.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:58 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    John Lucas stated... People ask me how my home life was. My stock answer is if the choice is between being back in Vietnam or being back home give me my weapon and my dope...


    I can relate Mr Lucas. You are a lucky man to have a sister who has a good heart and intends something good to happen. She wants to make a difference and takes action to make sure that it does. That is an admirable characteristic.

    I have compassion for anyone, including yourself for being subjected to a miserable home life. In Thailand, many children are displaced from there homes between age 8-12 because of poverty. Imagine
    working like a slave for your childhood without any relative like your sister to give you love and support. That is why I defended the bar girls you were talking about as they have their story just as you have yours.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:50 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    "It was an opinion of mine, I was not stating I have documented proof"
    Opinion not fact!
    Opinion not truth!
    That's your normal modus operandi.
    All opinion all the time. Nothing new here folks!!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:39 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas...As far as your sister...
    she writes a column in the LNS. She is vicious in her treatment of people she disagrees with. You are her brother and are equally vicious. May I ask Mr Lucas, don't you think there should be a disclosure in her letters that states her connection to the democrats.

    You admitted she is very active in McNerney's campaign, doing everything she can to get him elected. She then writes articles supported by LNS that savagely attacks the opponents of the candidate she is fighting for. Her column is a tool to help elect democrats. I think it unethical to not disclose this conflict of interest.

    As far as something going on between you and I, that is absurd....

    I see you, Bobin, Heuer, Chang, and Schmidt as all in the same basket.. case...
    I make comments to defend my position and to refute what I think is incorrect.

    I also aggressively attack someone who refers to people as morons, idiots, stupid or any other term that insults their intelligence.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:24 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    John Lucas stated...It does not matter to them if 2 + 2 = 4. It can be anything to them because facts and truth are not important to them. I do not expect you to understand this.

    Mr Lucas, I can relate to your claim that it does not matter if 2+2=4 as sometimes 2+2 can equal anything you want it to be ( in Lucas World)... that is the disease I refer to as liberalism... so of course I understand your disease just as I understood my fathers disease in alcoholism.

    I think the responsible thing to do when faced with a person who has a disease is to embrace this person with compassion by using reality thout. erapy to confront the disease. I do my best to confront your disease by bringing reality and common sense to the encounter to help you and other readers .

    I could do like liberals and ignore reality, but I think reality therapy is a better option.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:29 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I will repeat what I said earlier:
    There is much truth to what you say to a certain extent. After signing the 1964 cicil rights act of 1964 President Johnson said "We have lost the south for a generation". It was at this point that the parties switched sides. All over the south white people switched parties to the Republicans because of the Democratic parties civil right stands. Blacks, whose families were Republican for generations switched to the Democratic party. Today the only part of the country that is solidly Republican is the south because of this. As Bill Maher put it so well, "All Republicans are not racists but all racists are Republican"

    Todays Republicans are not yesterdays Republicans.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:14 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Obama took office in January 2009. The 2009 budget is George Bushes as is the 1,413 trillion deficit. The Budget is always made the year before and is the responsibility of that President. Get on google and you will find out that is the way it is done. Here is one.
    http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

    Obama inherited a 10 trillion dollar deficit. In four years he will run up about 5 trillion more. You said:

    That means in just one term President Obama will have increased the national debt as much as all prior Presidents, from George Washington to George Bush, combined.

    Andrew, I hear they have remedial math courses at the community college. It is very cheap

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:38 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ah Darrell. You are really something. I am very proud of my sister. I did not say anything about her because I am my own voice but let me tell you a little about her.

    You whine about your alcoholic father but I doubt you even know what insanity is. Cindy was the oldest and at one time or another she took us all in when things got crazy at home. She took care of my brothers two boys when he was in Vietnam. People ask me how my home life was. My stock answer is if the choice is between being back in Vietnam or being back home give me my weapon and my dope, When I got home there were days on end where I could not sleep(plus a serious suicide attempt) and Cindy at times would take me in when it got too much.She and her husband put themselves through school and came to California to teach school. None of my brothers or sisters live where we were born for thee memories are that bad. When teaching in Ripon there was a kid that was having a hard time and Cindy and her husband took him in. You getting the picture Moron? Later she decided to go to Law School and went to work for the City Attorney in Stockton and eventually retired as the City Attorney. Her whole life has been one of achievement. She has always been there for others and still is. When she goes to the good Lord he is going to say good job.

    Walter Chang pegged you the best when he said about you:

    "It was an opinion of mine, I was not stating I have documented proof"
    Opinion not fact!
    Opinion not truth!
    That's your normal modus operandi.
    All opinion all the time. Nothing new here folks!!!

    There are two kinds of stupid in this world. There are people who are unfortunately born that way. Then there is the self made stupid. These people do not understand that true intelligence is a combination of integrity and native intelligence. It does not matter to them if 2 + 2 = 4. It can be anything to them because facts and truth are not important to them. I do not expect you to understand this.

    You have a bad habit of making up stuff about people and accusing them of behavior and beliefs that are obviously not true.This thing between us is between us. Leave my sister out of it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:39 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    This whopper deserves all the attention it can get. [sleeping]

    This is the kind of BS spewed by Democrats on a daily basis, and unfortunately the media and other so-called watchdogs are so apparently ignorant of American history, Democrats continue to LIE through their teeth.

    Here’s an except from a list of historical bullet points that dispute Democrat claims of civil rights support. As you read through it, remember, Democrats claim they “are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws”…

    October 13, 1858
    During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee

    April 16, 1862
    President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    July 17, 1862
    Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”

    January 31, 1865
    13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition

    April 8, 1865
    13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition

    November 22, 1865
    Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination

    February 5, 1866
    U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    April 9, 1866
    Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law

    May 10, 1866
    U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no

    June 8, 1866
    U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    January 8, 1867
    Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.

    July 19, 1867
    Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans

    March 30, 1868
    Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”

    September 12, 1868
    Civil rights activist Tunis Campbell and 24 other African-Americans in Georgia Senate, every one a Republican, expelled by Democrat majority; would later be reinstated by Republican Congress

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    October 7, 1868
    Republicans denounce Democratic Party’s national campaign theme: “This is a white man’s country: Let white men rule”

    October 22, 1868
    While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan

    December 10, 1869
    Republican Gov. John Campbell of Wyoming Territory signs FIRST-in-nation law granting women right to vote and to hold public office

    February 3, 1870
    After passing House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition, Republicans’ 15th Amendment is ratified, granting vote to all Americans regardless of race

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    May 31, 1870
    President U.S. Grant signs Republicans’ Enforcement Act, providing stiff penalties for depriving any American’s civil rights

    June 22, 1870
    Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South

    September 6, 1870
    Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell

    February 28, 1871
    Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters

    April 20, 1871
    Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    October 10, 1871
    Following warnings by Philadelphia Democrats against black voting, African-American Republican civil rights activist Octavius Catto murdered by Democratic Party operative; his military funeral was attended by thousands

    October 18, 1871
    After violence against Republicans in South Carolina, President Ulysses Grant deploys U.S. troops to combat Democrat terrorists who formed the Ku Klux Klan

    November 18, 1872
    Susan B. Anthony arrested for voting, after boasting to Elizabeth Cady Stanton that she voted for “the Republican ticket, straight”

    January 17, 1874
    Armed Democrats seize Texas state government, ending Republican efforts to racially integrate government

    September 14, 1874
    Democrat white supremacists seize Louisiana statehouse in attempt to overthrow racially-integrated administration of Republican Governor William Kellogg; 27 killed

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    March 1, 1875
    Civil Rights Act of 1875, guaranteeing access to public accommodations without regard to race, signed by Republican President U.S. Grant; passed with 92% Republican support over 100% Democrat opposition

    January 10, 1878
    U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate guaranteed its approval in 1919. Republicans foil Democratic efforts to keep women in the kitchen, where they belong

    February 8, 1894
    Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote

    January 15, 1901
    Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    May 29, 1902
    Virginia Democrats implement new state constitution, condemned by Republicans as illegal, reducing African-American voter registration by 86%

    February 12, 1909
    On 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birth, African-American Republicans and women’s suffragists Ida Wells and Mary Terrell co-found the NAACP

    May 21, 1919
    Republican House passes constitutional amendment granting women the vote with 85% of Republicans in favor, but only 54% of Democrats; in Senate, 80% of Republicans would vote yes, but almost half of Democrats no

    August 18, 1920
    Republican-authored 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, becomes part of Constitution; 26 of the 36 states to ratify had Republican-controlled legislatures

    January 26, 1922
    House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    June 2, 1924
    Republican President Calvin Coolidge signs bill passed by Republican Congress granting U.S. citizenship to all Native Americans

    October 3, 1924
    Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention

    June 12, 1929
    First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country

    August 17, 1937
    Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation

    June 24, 1940
    Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    August 8, 1945
    Republicans condemn Harry Truman’s surprise use of the atomic bomb in Japan. The whining and criticism goes on for years. It begins two days after the Hiroshima bombing, when former Republican President Herbert Hoover writes to a friend that “The use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul.”

    September 30, 1953
    Earl Warren, California’s three-term Republican Governor and 1948 Republican vice presidential nominee, nominated to be Chief Justice; wrote landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education

    November 25, 1955
    Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel

    March 12, 1956
    Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation

    June 5, 1956
    Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law

    November 6, 1956
    African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President

    September 9, 1957
    President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    September 24, 1957
    Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools

    May 6, 1960
    President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

    May 2, 1963
    Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights

    September 29, 1963
    Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School

    June 9, 1964
    Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    June 10, 1964
    Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.

    August 4, 1965
    Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose. Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor

    February 19, 1976
    President Gerald Ford formally rescinds President Franklin Roosevelt’s notorious Executive Order authorizing internment of over 120,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII

    September 15, 1981
    President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs

    June 29, 1982
    President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act

    August 10, 1988
    President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR

    November 21, 1991
    President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation

    August 20, 1996
    Bill authored by U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) to prohibit racial discrimination in adoptions, part of Republicans’ Contract With America, becomes law

    And let’s not forget the words of liberal icon Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood…

    "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population"

    So the next time any Democrat like Mike claims they’ve been supportive of civil rights in America (and been so all along), ask them to explain their past.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:09 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Why are you completely unable to face reality Mr. Lucas?

    44 straight months of unemployment have been over 8%, which the Joint Economic Committee of Congress confirms is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression almost 75 years ago.

    Before Obama there had never been a deficit anywhere near $1 trillion. The highest previously was $458 billion, or less than half a trillion, in 2008. The federal deficit for the last budget adopted by a Republican controlled Congress was $161 billion for fiscal year 2007. But the budget deficits for Obama’s four years were reported in Obama’s own 2013 budget as $1.413 trillion for 2009, $1.293 trillion for 2010, $1.3 trillion for 2011, and $1.327 trillion for 2012, four years in a row of deficits of $1.3 trillion or more, the highest in world history.

    President Obama’s own 2013 budget shows that as a result federal debt held by the public will double during Obama’s four years as President. That means in just one term President Obama will have increased the national debt as much as all prior Presidents, from George Washington to George Bush, combined.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:02 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    An "incorrect lecture on time zones" Mike? You are too funny... [lol]

    Is there no end to your inabilty to digest truth? On top of that the "plagerism" you continually whine about is now "incorrect" as well. Get a grip.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Daylight_Time

    Very big of me? Huh? I made no such claim. Mr. Lucas did (the quote is from his letter) and it's a true statement so why would I dispute it?

    Try to digest this truth. Truth that yourself, Mr. Heuer and Mr. Lucas can't or will not accept for whatever reason...

    Before Obama there had never been a deficit anywhere near $1 trillion. The highest previously was $458 billion, or less than half a trillion, in 2008. The federal deficit for the last budget adopted by a Republican controlled Congress was $161 billion for fiscal year 2007. But the budget deficits for Obama’s four years were reported in Obama’s own 2013 budget as $1.413 trillion for 2009, $1.293 trillion for 2010, $1.3 trillion for 2011, and $1.327 trillion for 2012, four years in a row of deficits of $1.3 trillion or more, the highest in world history.

    President Obama’s own 2013 budget shows that as a result federal debt held by the public will double during Obama’s four years as President. That means in just one term President Obama will have increased the national debt as much as all prior Presidents, from George Washington to George Bush, combined.

    P.S. Congratulations! I believe you have set a new record for the most deleted posts on a single thread.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:43 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED with Mr Lucas bragging how his sister writes in the LNS and still is a fundraiser for McNerney... Interesting

    If you want to see how disgusting our American Taliban brothers can be you can view the column and the comments here. These guys are truly crazy. You will see that I got into the spirit of things. Hammering bullies such as these American Taliban types is one of my secret pleasures.
    My sister is one of those women who makes one proud to be a Democrat. She is very progressive in politics, was the president of the local Democratic club, was a California delegate to the state convention, was a big help to Rep Jerry McNerney when the DNCC wanted someone else. She had had many fundraisers in her home for him and other candidates. She has walked districts door to door here and in other states and phone banked often. She lives and breathes progressive Democratic policies and imho has never gotten the recognition she has deserved.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:41 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Brain stated... are you willing to back off on your charge that Conservatism is an inherent evil?

    My close friend, Mr Lucas , replied... I do not remember saying that ...
    Evidently, Mr Lucas must have spent too much time in entertainment establishments in foreign countries that has caused his memory to be fuzzy... glad to be of service to you my dear friend...

    John, may I suggest you have a conversation with your sister, Cynthia Neely who you talk about so freely in the Daily Kos... maybe she can jog your memory...

    Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM PDT.

    My Sister Hammers the American Taliban

    by Jlukes

    My sister writes a column for the Lodi News-Sentinel. The column is a very good one that compares the latest Republican outrages to the Taliban. The American Taliban types(Conservative Republicans)came out in droves calling her an idiot(that comment was actually scrubbed) and saying what a terrible thing she was allowed to write for the paper. The editor had to reply to them in the comment section and lay down the law. He posted:

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:44 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    I can't wait. The number for both is "0"

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:43 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    What is amazing is the slide and desertion the republican party has taken since the civil rights movement in the 60's. The republican's like to say that more republicans supported the civil rights legislation of the 60's and it's true, more republicans supported by voting for the legislation than democrats AT THAT TIME. By Nixon's 2nd election blacks were leaving the republicans in huge numbers and that has continued to today, when republicans have to point to a list of Black republicans.

    And it got worse.....with the advent of the Christian Coalition in the 80's, the no new tax pledges recently, republican's have alienated moderate and liberal members who have since fled to other parties. It's sad. I was a republican. I felt proud to vote for Nixon (my first vote for president, 1972) , Ford, Reagan, G.H.W. Bush. By 1992, the republican party I knew no longer existed.

    Maybe the republicans can make a list of all the prominent Black republicans that left the republican party since '92. They like lists.

    I am sure the usual suspects are busy trying to find a list right now of some sort to shore up their pitiful history. Here's one or two ideas: Civil rights issues authored by republican members of congress and civil rights issues republicans have voted yes on since 1992. We wait. Probably a long time. So hurry up.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:42 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Who would feel a need to compile such a list?

    Great question Mike. I agree, it is absurd to think such a list is needed...however, maybe you missed Ms Bobin's absurd post which then required a list to refute her bizarre thinking.

    Joanne Bobin posted at 11:10 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012... Republicans preferred to extend the recession, not create jobs and not pass a budget because they wanted to prove that a black man did not have the intelligence to be the Commander in Chief.

    How absurd is it to believe all these famous republican's would think like Ms. Bobin suggests...No wonder Ms Bobin thinks highly of Tina Fey. Two birds of a feather.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:13 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Making lists like this are just a tangent you are being led on by a addled brain. Ideas are what counts and what history teaches us. History teaches us that Conservative Republican policies lead to financial ruin ala 1929 and 2008. History tells even today most of the national debt was put there by Conservative Republicans and if you adjust for inflation it is still quite staggering. Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter" and he was right when Republicans are in power. They put us under this mountain of debt deliberately because they hate medicare and social security and any program that will help anyone that is not in the top 1/10 of one percent. The worst financial crisis since the Great depression was due partly to their incompetence, partly because their ideas simply do not work in the real world but also a desire to put a mountain of debt on the next administration so they would be forced to do away with programs like medicare and social security. There is no other logical explanation

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:55 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I do not remember saying that but yes the modern Republican Party as represented by Rush Limbaugh and Rupert Murdock is inherently evil by any standard of decent behavior.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:10 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Oh, nevermind. Only the republican national committee would see the need for such a ridiculous list. How many of them were delegates at this year's disaster of a national convention (you can't count security or hotel employees...that'll cut the list down)?

    I'm sure you'll have an answer.

    I like to think it's some sort of guilt.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:07 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Who feels the need to provide and incorrect lecture on time zones in the United States while simultaneously trying to claim people use Greenwich Mean Time as a means of determining what programs will air on a tiny radio station/network?

    Some people just never learn.

    And I want to thank you for claiming “Seventy-eight percent of the national debt before President Obama was put there by conservative Republicans.”

    That is very big of you.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:03 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    That Darrell can find a list of African Americans that are LISTED AS BEING REPUBLICAN is both funny and suspicious. Who would feel a need to compile such a list?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:43 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    kWhy are they doing this to Mr Chang?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:36 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    I read the Brian comment "Are you now saying you no longer believe liberals see individual success as an inherent evil?" and thought this is still a lame comment from the conservative inner circle I thought was put to rest yesterday. They really need to come out more often into the real world. Brian still needs to lay off the Starbucks. His stock investment with them isn't going to go up with his consumption. Then again... Wheres the nanny state when you need it. Ok watch I just made an opening for Darrell.
    Brian goes on "And, are you willing to back off on your charge that Conservatism is an inherent evil?" I was really ready to say oh I think that may be over the top a little. However rereading Joanne post below on the recovery "The backlash will be that, historically, Republicans prefered to extend the recession, not create jobs and not pass a budget because they wanted to prove that a black man did not have the intelligence to be the Commander in Chief." I had to regroup and say yes Conservatism is an inherent evil.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:54 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    When LIBERALS run out of legitimate defenses (which is often) for Owe-Blame-O, they always go for the race card. I don't give a rats patoot what color the Owe-Blame-O's skin color happens to be, there is no RED, WHITE and BLUE in his heart.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:54 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Continued list of black Republicans...That Bobin thinks are racists toward blacks

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    William T. Vernon, Register of the Treasury under President Theodore Roosevelt[7]
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    Dale Wainwright, Associate Justice of the Texas Supreme Court
    Eric Wallace (entrepreneur), pastor, entrepreneur, serves on the African American Advisory Board for the Republican National Committee
    Josiah Walls, former U.S. Representative from Florida, and one of the first African-Americans to serve in the U.S. House
    Booker T. Washington, educator and activist
    Maurice Washington, Nevada State Senator
    J. C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
    Ida B. Wells, civil rights advocate, co-founder of the NAACP
    Allen West, Representative, U.S. House of Representatives (FL-22)
    J. Ernest Wilkins, Sr., Assistant Secretary of Labor under President Eisenhower[8]
    Armstrong Williams, radio and television commentator
    Michael L. Williams, Texas Railroad Commissioner
    Walter E. Williams, author, commentator, economist
    Vern Williams, member of the National Mathematics Advisory Panel
    Barb Davis White, 2010 Congressional Candidate
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    William F. Yardley

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:53 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Continued list of black Republicans...That Bobin thinks are racists toward blacks


    , 65tColin Powellh Secretary of State
    Rod Paige, seventh U.S. Secretary of Education
    Sherman Parker, Missouri state representative, ran for U.S. House of Representatives
    Vernon Parker, mayor of Paradise Valley, Arizona, 2010 Congressional candidate
    Star Parker, author, political commentator, 2010 Congressional candidate
    Edward J. Perkins, first African-American U.S. ambassador to South Africa
    Jesse Lee Peterson, civil rights activist, founder of Brotherhood of New Destiny
    Joseph C. Phillips, actor, columnist, commentator
    Pio Pico, last governor of Mexican California. Formed the Republican Party in California.[5]
    Samuel Pierce, former HUD Secretary
    P. B. S. Pinchback, twenty-fourth governor of Louisiana; first African-American governor of a U.S. state
    Colin Powell, 65th United States Secretary of State
    Michael Powell, 24th Chairman of the FCC
    Pierre-Richard Prosper, former Bush Administration war crimes official
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    Condoleezza Rice, 66th Secretary of State
    Joseph H. Rainey, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina, first African American to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives
    James T. Rapier, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
    Hiram Rhodes Revels, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate
    Condoleezza Rice, 66th United States Secretary of State
    Jack E. Robinson III, former party nominee for U.S. House, U.S. Senate, and Secretary of the Commonwealth in Massachusetts
    Vernon Robinson, former candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from North Carolina
    Joe Rogers, former Lieutenant Governor of Colorado, youngest Lieutenant Governor in Colorado history
    Carson Ross Mayor of Blue Springs, MO, Fmr. Missouri State Rep
    Jackie Robinson, baseball player (changed parties after Goldwater nomination).
    S


    Michael Steele, 64th Chairman of the Republican National Committee
    Paul H. Scott, Michigan State Representative
    Tim Scott. Representative, South Carolina's 1st Congressional District
    Marvin Scott. Congressional Candidate
    Winsome Sears. Former member of the Virginia House of Delegates, 2004 Congressional Candidate
    Robert Smalls, South Carolina
    Joshua I. Smith, appointed commissioner of Minority Business Development by President George H. W. Bush
    Princella Smith, 2010 Congressional Candidate, She PAC member
    DeForest "Buster" Soaries, former New Jersey Secretary of State
    Thomas Sowell, economist, writer and commentator
    Michael S. Steele, political commentator, former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, former candidate for the U.S. Senate and elected chairman of the Republican National Committee
    Shelby Steele, author
    Thomas Stith, III, former member of the city council of Durham, North Carolina, 2004 Candidate for Lieutenant Governor, 2007 mayoral candidate for Durham, North Carolina
    Lynn Swann, former NFL player, former Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate
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    Clarence Thomas, Associate Supreme Court Justice


    Sojourner Truth
    Noel C. Taylor, mayor of Roanoke, Virginia from 1975 to 1992[6]
    Clarence Thomas, associate justice of the United States Supreme Court
    Thurman Thomas, former Buffalo Bill, Republican activist, supported and campaigned for 2010 New York Republican Gubernatorial nominee Carl Paladino
    Sojourner Truth, abolitionist speaker and suffrage advocate
    Harriet Tubman, abolitionist speaker and suffrage advocate
    Benjamin S. Turner, Alabama Congressman
    David Tyree, former New York Giant, advocate for traditional marriage
    U
    James L. Usry, former mayor of Atlantic City, New Jersey

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:51 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Continued list of black Republicans...That Bobin thinks are racists toward blacks


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    John Mercer Langston, former U.S. Representative from Virginia
    Jefferson Franklin Long, former U.S. Representative from Georgia
    Mia Love, mayor of Saratoga Springs, Utah, 2012 Congressional candidate
    John Roy Lynch, former U.S. Representative from Mississippi
    M
    Lenny McAllister, political analyst, community activist, and author
    Angela McGlowan, political analyst, 2010 Congressional candidate
    James Meredith, civil rights leader
    Thomas Ezekiel Miller, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
    Eric Motley, former Deputy Associate Director, Office of Presidential Personnel in Bush Administration
    George Washington Murray, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
    E. Frederic Morrow, first African-American to hold an executive position at the White House. He served under President Dwight D. Eisenhower as Administrative Officer for Special Projects from 1955 to 1961.
    Steven Mullins, Connecticut politician, Planning & Zoning Commissioner, City of West Haven, 2009 Republican nominee for Mayor of West Haven, 2002 Republican nominee for State Comptroller
    N
    Charles Edmund Nash, former U.S Representative from Louisiana
    Sophia A. Nelson, Lawyer, author, political commentator
    Constance Berry Newman, U.S. diplomat; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs; member of International Republican Institute
    O
    James E. O'Hara, Congressman from North Carolina

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:50 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Continued list of black Republicans...That Bobin thinks are racists toward blacks


    James Garner (politician), former mayor of the Village of Hempstead, New York, 2004 Congressional candidate
    Robert A. George (pundit), editorial writer for the New York Post, blogger and pundit
    James Golden (radio personality), producer on the Rush Limbaugh radio talk show
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    Ken Hamblin, Radio host, political commentator, author, television personality
    Jeremiah Haralson, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
    Bill Hardiman, former Michigan State Senator, 2010 Congressional Candidate
    Erika Harold, 2003 Miss America, delegate to the 2004 Republican National Convention, 2012 Congressional Candidate
    Ted Hayes, activist for the homeless
    Amy Holmes, CNN political commentator and independent social conservative
    Deborah Honeycutt, 2006, 2008, 2010 congressional candidate;
    T.R.M. Howard, Mississippi civil rights leader, surgeon, entrepreneur and mentor to Medgar Evers and Fannie Lou Hamer
    Zora Neale Hurston, Folklorist, anthropologist, novelist, short story writer
    John Adams Hyman, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
    I
    Niger Innis, commentator and activist
    J
    Alphonso Jackson, thirteenth Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
    Raynard Jackson, political consultant and political analyst for WUSA*9 TV (CBS affiliate) in Washington, DC
    Dr. Mildred Fay Jefferson, first African-American woman to graduate from Harvard Medical School; pro-life movement leader; Republican candidate for U.S. House and U.S. Senate[4]
    Wallace B. Jefferson, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas
    James Weldon Johnson, first Black manager of the NAACP, president of the Colored Republican Club
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    Alan Keyes, 16th Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs
    Alan Keyes, former member of the Republican party and nominee for the U.S. Senate
    Alveda King, minister, political activist, author, niece of Martin Luther King Jr.
    Martin Luther King, Sr., Reverend, missionary, civil rights leader, father of Martin Luther King,

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:49 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Continued list of black Republicans...That Bobin thinks are racists toward blacks


    Herman Cain, businessman, media personality, and former candidate for President of the United States in 2012.
    Jennifer Carroll, Lieutenant Governor of Florida[1]
    Ron Christie, former advisor to Vice-President Dick Cheney[2]
    Octavius Valentine Catto, civil rights activist and African American baseball pioneer
    Henry P. Cheatham, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
    Eldridge Cleaver, author and civil rights leader
    William Thaddeus Coleman, Jr., fourth United States Secretary of Transportation, first African American Supreme Court Clerk[3]
    Ward Connerly, political activist, businessman, and former University of California Regent
    Norris Wright Cuney, Chairman of the Texas Republican Party (1886-1896)
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    Frederick Douglass
    Randy Daniels, former Secretary of State of New York, 2006 Gubernatorial candidate
    Artur Davis, former Democratic Alabama Congressman, speaker at 2012 Republican National Convention, potential Republican candidate
    Oscar Stanton de Priest, former U.S. Representative from Illinois
    Robert DeLarge, South Carolina congressman
    Frederick Douglass, abolitionist, editor, orator, author, and statesman
    Oscar Dunn, 11th Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana
    Edward Duplex, Mayor of Wheatland, California (1888)
    E
    Larry Elder, talk radio host and commentator
    Robert Brown Elliott, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
    Melvin H. Evans, former U.S. Representative from, and former Governor of, the U.S. Virgin Islands
    F
    James L. Farmer, Jr., civil rights leader
    Michel Faulkner, pastor, former defensive lineman for the New York Jets, a 2010 nominee for New York's 15th congressional district
    Arthur Fletcher, official in the administrations of Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George

    H.W. Bush; considered the "father of affirmative action"
    Gary Franks, former U.S. Representative from Connecticut
    Ryan Frazier, Aurora City Councilman, 2010 nominee for Colorado's 7th congressional district
    Samuel B. Fuller, founder and president of the Fuller Products Company, publisher of the New York Age and Pittsburgh Courier, head of the South Side Chicago NAACP, president of the National Negro Business League, and a prominent black Republican
    Virginia Fuller, 2010 and 2012 Congressional Candidate
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  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:46 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Ms Bobin stated...Republicans prefered to extend the recession, not create jobs and not pass a budget because they wanted to prove that a black man did not have the intelligence to be the Commander in Chief.

    I see... so the following list of black republicans want to prove a black man is not intelligent enough
    to be president... One again, the Bobin Tina Fey impersonation is here again and again and again.

    Claude Allen, former White House Domestic Policy Advisor
    Renee Amoore, health care advocate & founder and president of The Amoore Group, Inc.; former candidate for Republican National Committee Co-Chairwoman
    Caesar Antoine, 13th Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana
    B
    J. Kenneth Blackwell, former Secretary of State of Ohio, former gubernatorial candidate
    Michelle Bernard, journalist, author, columnist
    Lynette Boggs, former Las Vegas City Councilwoman, former Clark County, NV commissioner, former candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives
    Daniel Bongino, former US Secret Service Agent, 2012 Republican Nominee for US Senate in Maryland.
    Peter Boulware, former NFL linebacker and Republican candidate for the Florida House of Representatives, District 9.
    Jennette Bradley, former Treasurer of the State of Ohio
    Edward Brooke, former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, first African American elected by popular vote to the U.S. Senate
    Stephen Broden, conservative commentator, Life Always board member (a pro-life organization) and evangelical pastor, 2010 Congressional candidate
    Janice Rogers Brown, a federal judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals
    Blanche Bruce, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve a full term in the U.S. Senate
    Keith Butler, Republican national committeeman from Michigan, former councilman for Detroit, minister and former U.S. Senatorial candidate

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:35 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Bobbin again plays the race card made popular by the LIBERAL play book.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:10 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "If Obama wins. Conservatives get the pleasure of holding the liberals accountable for their bad decisions. The liberals will have to take responsibility for the irresponsible policies and legislation they inflicted on the American people."

    I really have to give Mr. Baumbach credit for admitting that Republicans would rather see the USA go down in flames and its citizens suffer interminably than to have bipartisan cooperation to get this country back on track.

    The recession will mend itself eventually, and the Obama Administration will take credit for that comeback. The backlash will be that, historically, Republicans prefered to extend the recession, not create jobs and not pass a budget because they wanted to prove that a black man did not have the intelligence to be the Commander in Chief.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:52 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/09/brava-house-lawmaker-blocks-obamas-450-million-jizya-payment-to-muslim-brotherhood-egypt.html


    Brava: House lawmaker blocks Obama's $450 million jizya payment to Muslim Brotherhood Egypt

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:42 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Will the delusional sheeplike mentality and naivety of Obama fanatics ever cease Darrell? Probably not.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:32 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    Mr. Lucas

    Regarding your post at 7:04 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Are you now saying you no longer believe liberals see individual success as an inherent evil? And, are you willing to back off on your charge that Conservatism is an inherent evil?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:31 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Right on. Applause

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:36 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Mr Lucas stated...The best thing to is put him on ignore unless you like taking LSD like trips into his universe. The same can be said of Darrell Baumbach.

    I want to sincerely thank you Mr Lucas. I so much enjoy the opportunity to correct the many errors and mistakes you make without having to respond to your
    angry incomplete responses to my posts... You are too kind.

    I appreciate all the time it saves me...So please do ignore me. However, you have promised this many times and I believe your record has been 8 days before you threw a fit of anger and again stopped ignoring me... good luck this time!

    Your success is my benefit in this instant.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:25 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Stan Taves stated... I try to help, but no one wants my kind of help

    Sorry Stan, I disagree. You have to remember who you are helping. When I make a post, I never care if people like Lucas, Heuer, Bobin, Schmidt agree with or comprehend what I am saying.

    In my view, their reality is that 2+2=7. There is nothing anyone can do to engage or change these misguided people. Instead, I find it productive and constructive to refute and correct their emotional misguided positions so that other people who might read their posts and mistake it for rational thought, can decide for themselves who makes sense. It is these people who want your help and wisdom.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:55 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Stan Taves stated...I understand that you libs see individual success as an inherent evil ...

    Mr Lucas responded...It is this sort of thing, besides being nonsense, is just the sort of ugly vicious charge that the right wing has been making for years.

    Of course perceptive people who understand what the left is all about would conclude what Stan did... there are so many examples of this. The most recent is none other from our Transformer in Chief, B Obama when he said...” “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”...in other words, the Nanny state, unions and government made it happen, not the individual.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:42 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Walter, you sound like the male version of Tina Fey ....which would be my response if I wanted to mirror your post... but since I do not, may I ask, when will you post something of substance.

    If you do not see big boys it most likely is because you do not know what one looks like.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:40 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Stan
    You know you have a real kocamamie view of things."an obligation to produce more than we consume if we wish to succeed" Thats the equation for wealth otherwise we need to produce that which we consume to survive/thrive.

    "Now , I understand that you libs see individual success as an inherent evil" where do get such nonsense. Who doesn't value individual success? Another example of conversations in conservative circles having a hard time in the real world.

    And what is the "You see, the train you are wanting to ride won't have a seat for you, or for anyone so foolish as to think they might catch a ride also. The Train you seek is for Obama and his friends -- wake-up..." Is there a translation for the metaphor.

    And then the;
    "The folks on the left aren't armed with facts; they are armed with emotion. It's easy to wrap yourself in emotion -- and it sells; " I beg to differ that the republicans are the party of emotion fueled politics. Hysterias about Obamas reelection by conservatives hardly has a liberal equal. The conversation circles of republicans feed off misinformed websites, radio stations, Fox news and are told things to get them emotionally charged over things that don't exist accept in the minds of the circle. When success is talked about it is an agreed upon fact that no one is against success.
    However conservatives seem to see all people as equally functional as having two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears, a fully functioning brain, capable of speech and understanding, not old or handicapped, not culturally ostricized, and without children. So we all get to go into the world and make our way being successesful. However the people that aren't whole or unable to compete for whatever reason shouldn't be labled nanny state people. Thats scarry and thats not right.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:27 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Lucas,
    In response to your post at 8:15 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    First, you weren’t “trying to explain to mike” you were responding to Mr. Taves.

    Second, I never said, “Seventy-eight percent of the national debt before President Obama was put there by conservative Republicans.” You did. I DIDN’T disagree. If you believe I DID quote me directly and substantiate your absurd insinuation.

    Arithmetic does not exist in my universe? Huh? Take a look in the mirror.

    I simply responded with truth you are either unwilling or unable to digest. I imagine it’s a little of both. I “REALITY CHECKED” all 11 points you made in your letter. I think it’s actually quite funny how you continue to remain fixated on only point #4. Why not try to digest some of the other TRUTH you are choosing to ignore?

    As far as your point #4, I did check. I checked here: http://www.skymachines.com/presidential-debt/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

    All I said was, “This is a joke right?” I said that because since Barack Obama became president, the U.S. national debt has increased by an average of more than $64,000 per taxpayer.

    I said that because 43 straight months of unemployment have been over 8%, which the Joint Economic Committee of Congress confirms is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression almost 75 years ago.

    I said that because before Obama there had never been a deficit anywhere near $1 trillion. The highest previously was $458 billion, or less than half a trillion, in 2008. The federal deficit for the last budget adopted by a Republican controlled Congress was $161 billion for fiscal year 2007. But the budget deficits for Obama’s four years were reported in Obama’s own 2013 budget as $1.413 trillion for 2009, $1.293 trillion for 2010, $1.3 trillion for 2011, and $1.327 trillion for 2012, four years in a row of deficits of $1.3 trillion or more, the highest in world history.

    I said that because President Obama’s own 2013 budget shows that as a result federal debt held by the public will double during Obama’s four years as President.

    You sir, need to get a grip on the reality we are living in NOW!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:16 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    I don't see any big boys...

    Just a bunch of frightened old farts!

    [scared]

     
  • stan taves posted at 9:00 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Please, respond with some semblance of an argument if you want to debate with the big boys.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:15 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I was not talking to you Andrew. I was trying to explain to mike the complete and utter uselessness of trying to reason with you (or Darrell Baumbach)
    Let us go over the last time I tried with you:
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    You said:
    4.)“Seventy-eight percent of the national debt before President Obama was put there by conservative Republicans.”
    REALITY CHECK: This is a joke, right?
    Jimmy Carter left Reagan with a National debt of 930 billion of which he ran up 277 billion. I took the amount of National Debt each president left. Reagan and the Bushes ran up 8,254 billion dollars. Clinton ran up 1485 billion dollars. You take the amount our financially conservative Republican ran up and divide it by the total debt and you come to 78%. It is not a joke it is called math.
    There are several other examples of your "thinking" along the same lines in your rebuttal. I wish you well but one thing I have learned. You just cannot fix stupid.
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    Look at your answers. they are not related to what was the argument.
    I said that Republicans are responsible for 78% of the national debt
    you said: this is a joke right?

    Any 8th grader could do the arithmetic. All one has to do is look up what each president left as national debt, total it up, take what the Republicans left , divide it by the total national debt and it would come up to 78%
    We are not talking about rocket science here. Arithmetic does not exist in your universe. I like the real world so leave me out of yours.

    This is also a matter of integrity. I made a statement which is easily proved. You did not bother to do the simple 8th grade arithmetic. You just sneered and and made fun of what I was saying which is easily proved by any 8th grader. Your clear disregard of the truth, your not caring about a fact easily proved and calling it a lie says what kind of a person you are. Is it an insult to say :

    He lives in a weird universe and if you let him he will take on tangents and trips in his made up world. The best thing to is put him on ignore unless you like taking LSD like trips into his universe.

    No it is like saying that 78% of the debt before Obama was put there by
    Conservative Republicans. It is not an insult it is simply the truth.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:02 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Apparently Mr. Heuer wasn't able to digest the Torture, Wiretapping and WMD truth I provided... [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:44 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "If you want to trade insults I will just pass." [lol] Really?

    John Lucas posted at 6:49 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012

    "He lives in a weird universe and if you let him he will take on tangents and trips in his made up world. The best thing to is put him on ignore unless you like taking LSD like trips into his universe. The same can be said of Darrell Baumbach."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:38 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Central Daylight Time (CDT) is five hours behind Greenwich Mean Time and is observed during daylight saving time in the Central Time Zone (North America).
    It begins on the second Sunday in March, when clocks are advanced from 2:00 A.M. CST to 3:00 A.M. CDT.
    It ends on the first Sunday in November when clocks are moved back from 2:00 A.M. CDT to 1:00 A.M. CST.

    Confused? You are too funny...[lol]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:23 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    "The best thing to is put him (Andrew) on ignore " "The same can be said of Darrell Baumbach." Couldn't have said it better myself.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:14 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]... Facts are no match for emotions Mr. Lucas.

    For example, Darrell's post at 6:26 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 contained facts as did my post at 12:56 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    The fact that you choose to live in a "weird universe" and ignore them isn't our fault.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:14 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    Stan, you sound just like Romney.

    [beam]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:04 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You said:

    I understand that you libs see individual success as an inherent evil

    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    It is this sort of thing, besides being nonsense, is just the sort of ugly vicious charge that the right wing has been making for years. What do get out of making an accusation like this when it is so obviously nonsense? If you want to talk policy lets get it on if you got the cojones for it. If you want to trade insults I will just pass.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:59 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Lodi News Sentinel:

    Who gives times here in Central Standard Time? When it's really Central Daylight Standard time?

    Someone not in Lodi CA

     
  • stan taves posted at 6:43 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Thomas, you don't have to go "chicken/egg" to prove that your understanding of the "fundamentals" are severely lacking. Here's the deal: When you are fetal tissue then consumption is extremely important to your survival. Then you get thrown from the womb and things get a little bit more testy. The point is that as you develop there is an obligation to grow in order to ensure your "individual" survival. In other words , we have an obligation to produce more than we consume if we wish to succeed. Now , I understand that you libs see individual success as an inherent evil -- and that's because you haven't a clue as to what evil really is. C'mon! Get a clue.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:42 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Stan has not set out any policy positions. He is not really saying anything actually except making blanket statements like the left is all about emotions. I was trying to get him into a talk about actual tax policy but he got all emotional on me.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:20 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Taves stated, "The folks on the left aren't armed with facts; they are armed with emotion."

    Thanks for substantiating Mike... [lol]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:18 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    excuse the typo below it should be posted. My bad

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:17 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Stan
    Let me respondto an earlier post
    I've been away
    You pisted;
    "Couldn't you come up with a tougher question," Yes but based on the fact that this first answer is sorely lacking we need to cover some ground here.

    "Romney understands the fundamentals that allow for growth." I'm not sure what fundamentals you speak of. The fact that demand creates commerce, more commerce creates more jobs. More jobs create more demand. To meet greater demand capitol is needed to meet volumn demand and expand markets. Expanding markets needing capitol encourage investment. The world gets wealthier. Is this the fundamentals you refer to. Then Romney has no edge here.

    "He (Romney) understands that govt bloat allows for the horizontal dissemination of wealth." I agree there is lots of government but we are a super power. That bloat is causing horizontal dissemination of wealth is not a clear as a bell statement. I can take some wild stabs but its not my call. So I can't say who has the edge here.

    "and that private enterprise is what encourages vertical projection, or wealth creation." At "encourages vertical" I was with you but "projedtion" threw me. I thought "vertical projection" was about wealth and back to the fundaments we spoke of but then you added "OR wealth creation." So they became totally separate things. And I know its probably me but..these terms I'm sure are common in conservative circles. I just need some clarification before I can say who has the edge here..

    "In other words your guy's (Obama) philosophy of waste makes the culture fat, lazy, and stupid." A philosophy of waste has me really scratching my head and I know what your thinking boy what a dumb guy I am. But an education has to start from the point of understanding. "A philosophy of waste makes the culture fat, lazy and stupid." That doesn't sound good at all. We can't sweep this under the rug so I need to know what a philosophy of waste is before I can say who has the edge here..

    "Whereas Romney's approach encourages us to be leaner, more assertive , and intelligent". Now thats what I do know about Romney. He wants to eliminate social security, medicare, medical, healthcare, student assistance, and more. So I know how we are going to get leaner under Romney. He is going to raise taxes by getting rid of our deductions so we can't afford to eat or get care anymore. I think Obama has the edge here but if I knew the missing info above maybe it could be a game changer.

     
  • stan taves posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    OK I get it , John, you don't agree with me. What I'm trying to tell you is that the side you have chosen, is the side that will leave you tumbling in the dirt as they toss you from their train. You see, the train you are wanting to ride won't have a seat for you, or for anyone so foolish as to think they might catch a ride also. The Train you seek is for Obama and his friends -- wake-up John.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:06 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Thomas: liebich is an annoyance at the very best. He's some sort of cyber bully that the LNS is afraid to pull the plug on because while he's not very bright, they know that he'll pull out the 1st amendment and force LNS to allow him to continue his serial plagiarism and idea theft. His letters to the editor are 100% plagiarized even. Just google any sentence passage from any of his longer posts (the ones with words consisting of more than 1 or 2 syllables) and it'll pop up 1000X.

    He claims he works for the internet radio idiot alex jones, the guy where everything is a conspiracy. I listened to him the other day, and it's like rush without his oxycontin. I couldn't find liebichs name anywhere so he is either lying about working for this "network" or "syndicate" or whatever he calls it (which I presume is the acutal case) or he's lying about his name, which I believe is actual because if you google
    "vapor trails" or "chem trails" and KXTV 10, there is a film of him telling everyone that he thinks the government is poisoning us with chemicals in the contrails of planes.

    LNS really needs to do something about his participation here. Personnally, I'll just begin to report everytime he plagiarizes (which is basically all the time) and anytime I find him offensive (which is also all the time).

    NOTE: I think he pretends to have a radio station made out of some sort of electronic kit he found on ebay. He lives alone and is on the computer all night.

     
  • stan taves posted at 5:52 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Thanks Darrell, The truth is that if you actually believe in something then you do your best to support it.The folks on the left aren't armed with facts; they are armed with emotion. It's easy to wrap yourself in emotion -- and it sells; but it won't keep you warm when the hard time comes. I try to help, but no one wants my kind of help.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:29 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Stan stated...Once again, the middle class can not continue to exist in an environment that favors consumption over productivity

    Stan, unfortunately, Mr Lucas has no idea what you are talking about... the obvious just slides right on by over his head... as normal, you make good sense.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:03 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There is much truth to what you say to a certain extent. After signing the 1964 cicil rights act of 1964 President Johnson said "We have lost the south for a generation". It was at this point that the parties switched sides. All over the south white people switched parties to the Republicans because of the Democratic parties civil right stands. Blacks, whose families were Republican for generations switched to the Democratic party. Today the only part of the country that is solidly Republican is the south because of this. As Bill Maher put it so well, "All Republicans are not racists but all racists are Republican"

    You are also right about Romney when you say he is running on what he can and will do. The American people see this and that is why he is going to lose.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:01 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    One out of every seven Americans is on food stamps now, the highest number since the program’s inception. In fact, the USDA doled out $75 billion dollars in food stamps throughout fiscal year 2011, more than double the $34.6 billion spent in 2008.

    According to the Obama Administration, food stamps actually stimulate the economy and create jobs. Following this logic, if more people are on food stamps than ever, then more people should be employed than ever, right? That must be why we have the highest long-term unemployment rates since the Great Depression.[sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:44 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    Bravo

    You can't go wrong with Master Kong!!

    [smile]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:18 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Interesting excerpt from an article over a year ago in the Patriot Post by BLACK contributor and radio talk shows host, Larry Elder:
    "The GOP is the party of Lincoln, a party founded to oppose slavery. The GOP, over the objections of the Democratic Party, backed the 13th, 14th and 15th constitutional amendments that freed blacks, granted blacks citizenship and granted blacks the right to vote, respectively. For over 100 years, Democrats fought against civil rights legislation, often reversing pro-civil rights legislation passed by Republicans.

    Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan, once called the "terrorist wing of the Democratic Party." It was Southern Democrats like Alabama's Gov. George Wallace and Birmingham Commissioner of Public Safety "Bull" Connor who opposed integration. As a percentage of the party, more Republicans supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act than did Democrats."
    The liberal democrats hypocritically call conservative Republicans racist because the word "racist" is a proven buzz word intended to inflame and defame. Remember Brain Dead Biden, "He wants to put you back in chains" comment? Romney is running on what he CAN and WILL do. Obama is running on ,,,,,er, eh, I am not sure but you it certainly isn't his accomplishments. He runs FROM his record, not ON it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:13 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    “No matter how busy you may think you are, you must find time for reading, or surrender yourself to self-chosen ignorance.”
    ― Confucius

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:11 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I suppose what happened after WW II when those "fairy tales" were public policy the fact that we built the greatest middle class in the world just did not happen.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:55 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Maybe it's "a testament to the power of the Conservative media and the propaganda they provide" Darrell. [lol] I wonder if Mr. Lucas has an Obama cell phone...[lol]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:39 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Someone needs to inform Obama "RobinHood" was a fairy tale, just like his presidency.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:35 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    How is wealth on the "defense". The fact is they are being taxed at a lower rate since the start of the great depression. Over 7,000 millionaires were part of the 47% of people who paid no taxes in 2011. How many corporations paid not taxes and got refunds. You say a lot of stuff Stan but history says that when the rich pay their fair share everyone benefits. Warren Buffet said it best. "Yes there was a class war but we won". When we make sure the middle class is doing ok and provided with opportunity everyone wins including the rich. When, as we have been doing since Reagan, making sure the rich are taken care of only the rich win.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:29 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    "No, Mr. Hutchins I may not address you in..."

    pomp·ous /ˈpämpəs/

    Adjective 1. Affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important: "a pompous ass". 2. Characterized by pomp or splendor: "there were many processions and other pompous shows".

    Synonyms stilted - bombastic - grandiose - turgid

    [wink]

     
  • stan taves posted at 3:16 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    I'm sorry that you don't get it , John. The middle class is getting throttled because fiscal and monetary policy has distorted the marketplace. Your belief is that the problem stems from the wealthy, yet it's easy to see that "wealth" is on defence, and the govt has become the offender. Once again, the middle class can not continue to exist in an environment that favors consumption over productivity. This govt is a fat bloated pig of a consumer; and THAT is the source of the problem, John.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:04 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...If you do not tax the rich they will accumulate wealth at a great pace and start businesses and create jobs. This is what we have been doing since Reagan


    Stan, can you imagine how much truth one must ignore to draw the concluson Mr Lucas posted...

    Since nearly half of all Americans do not pay any income tax, and since the wealthy pay a vast majority of all taxes collected, how absurd can one man possibly be in stating the rich are not taxed and that's what we have been doing since Reagan...

    Bizarre thinking at best.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:27 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    all true but the one I love are the morons saying it Barney Franks fault. You really have to be stupid to come out and say something like that

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:26 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:15 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The "1%" could donate their entire wealth to the government and it would fund government for about 3 months...[sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:03 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Stan I have to vigorously disagree. Tell me if I am wrong but I think the basic argument is as follows. You believe in the trickle down theory. If you do not tax the rich they will accumulate wealth at a great pace and start businesses and create jobs. This is what we have been doing since Reagan and the results have been a massive shift to the top 1/10 of one percent in terms of income and wealth and the hollowing out of the middle class. With that wealth has come much political power to the wealthy and an army of lobbyists in Washington to do their bidding with their bought and paid for elected Representatives.

    Before Reagan most of the wealthy had an effective tax rate in the 30’s to the 40 percent rage. This led the government to make investments in infrastructure, education etc. The government did needed things the private sector could or would not do. This led to a more robust economy and a vibrant middle class. This is the story of the 30 years following WW II

    It boils down to the following. Which is going to lead to economic growth?
    A top 1/10 of one percent with a huge cash reserves and no customers
    or an economy with a strong vibrant middle class with cash in their pocket coupled with a top 1/10 of one percent who is still very wealthy but now can build companies for customers with cash in their pockets?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:02 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The overwhelming desire to trumpet ones own ignorance and/or stupidity continues…

    “And don't forget John they promoted American values like torture, phone conversation eaves dropping. invading Iraq thinking we would be hailed as liberators, looking for WMDs by invadeing a country”
    - Thomas Heuer posted at 12:13 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012

    Kill your TV Mr. Heuer! There is nothing more stupid, insidious and mind-numbing than the TV. Nothing will separate you from reality faster than television. If you have cable TV, cancel it. If you have satellite TV, disconnect it. Remove this insidious technology from your life or it will dominate your mind, your beliefs, your emotions and your reactions to everything that happens in the world. Television is a pathway to total zombification.

    “TORTURE”

    The Obama administration’s aggressive, full-scale whitewashing of the “war on terror” crimes committed by Bush officials is now complete. On August 30,2012 Attorney General Eric Holder announced the closing without charges of the only two cases under investigation relating to the US torture program: one that resulted in the 2002 death of an Afghan detainee at a secret CIA prison near Kabul, and the other the 2003 death of an Iraqi citizen while in CIA custody at Abu Ghraib.

    To see what a farce this is, it is worthwhile briefly to review the timeline of how Obama officials acted to shield Bush torturers from all accountability. During his 2008 campaign for president, Obama repeatedly vowed that, while he opposed “partisan witch-hunts”, he would instruct his attorney general to “immediately review” the evidence of criminality in these torture programs because “nobody is above the law.” Yet, almost immediately after winning the 2008 election, Obama, before he was even inaugurated, made clear that he was opposed to any such investigations, citing what he called “a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards”.

    Throughout the first several months of his presidency, his top political aides, such as the chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, and his press secretary, Robert Gibbs, publicly – and inappropriately – pressured the justice department to refrain from any criminal investigations. Over and over, they repeated the Orwellian mantra that such investigations were objectionable because “we must look forward, not backward”. As Gibbs put it in April 2009, when asked to explain Obama’s opposition, “the president is focused on looking forward. That’s why.”

    On 16 April 2009, Obama himself took the first step in formalizing the full-scale immunity he intended to bestow on all government officials involved even in the most heinous and lethal torture. On that date, he decreed absolute immunity for any official involved in torture provided that it comported with the permission slips produced by Bush department of justice (DOJ) lawyers which authorized certain techniques. “This is a time for reflection, not retribution,” the new president so movingly observed in his statement announcing this immunity.

    US President Barack Obama has spoken out against CIA prisoner abuse and wants to close Guantanamo. But he tolerates the existence of Bagram military prison in Afghanistan, where more than 600 people are being held without charge? The facility at Bagram makes Guantanamo look like a nice hotel. And what does Obama say? Nothing. He never so much as mentions Bagram in any of his speeches. When discussing America’s mistreatment of detainees, he only refers to Guantanamo. Obama still never mentions Bagram.

    There is absolutely no difference between the Bush administration and the Obama administration’s position with respect to Bagram detainees’ rights. Moreover, Obama is still allowing “rendition flights” – where prisoners are flown to countries which freely torture – to continue. This itself violates the Geneva Convention and the War Crimes Act of 1996. Can Nobel Prize Winner Obama At LEAST Stop the Torture? Apparently not. WAKE-UP!

    “PHONE CONVERSATION EAVES DROPPING”

    As a candidate for president in 2008, Barack Obama promised to revisit and revise the rules of FISA to protect Americans’ rights, after he had voted for the bill as a Senator. However, as president, Obama has continued where president Bush left off in calling for extending the legislation and even actively preventing any judicial oversight of the wiretapping program.

    The domestic spying program was first disclosed by The New York Times in December 2005, and the government subsequently admitted that the the National Security Agency was eavesdropping on Americans’ telephone calls without warrants if the government believed the person on the other line was overseas and associated with terrorism. Further news investigations found that the government had secretly enlisted the help of major U.S. telecoms, including AT&T, to spy on Americans’ phone and internet communications without getting warrants as required by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

    Parts of the surveillance program were so egregious that the upper echelon of the Justice Department, including then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, threatened to resign. Congress, with the vote of President Barack Obama — who was an Illinois senator at the time — subsequently legalized much of the warrantless spying in the summer of 2008. The legislation also provided the nation’s telecommunication companies immunity from lawsuits accusing them of being complicit with the government’s warrantless wiretapping.

    In a 301-118 vote, the House of Representatives, on September 12, 2012, passed an amendment that would extend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Originally set to expire at the end of 2012, the bill’s extension would give the highly-secretive US Intelligence gathering National Security Administration nearly unlimited communication surveillance capabilities, allowing the snooping of emails and phone conversations until 2017. WAKE-UP!

    LOOKING FOR WMDs:

    WAKE-UP! Mike Rivero explains the so called WMD "Iran nuclear threat"…Educate and inform yourselves!

    http://youtu.be/24AMP_bttd8

     
  • stan taves posted at 12:28 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Couldn't you come up with a tougher question, Thomas? Romney understands the fundamentals that allow for growth. He understands that govt bloat allows for the horizontal dissemination of wealth. and that private enterprise is what encourages vertical projection, or wealth creation. In other words your guy's philosophy of waste makes the culture fat, lazy, and stupid. Whereas Romney's approach encourages us to be leaner, more assertive , and intelligent.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:28 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...You are so right Robert. The last days of the Bush administration were so exciting!
    Actually, I thought the last 8 months of the during the Bush Administration was scary and frightening.
    I do blame the Bush Administration.

    They should have been much more forceful and diligent in exposing Barney Frank who was the chief architect of the subprime mortgage crisis / the housing bubble that left hundreds of thousands of Americans homeless and millions more in destitution. The repercussions of Frank’s actions, chiefly pushing the Community Reinvestment Act, and his strong-arming of Fannie Mae to lend to people who obviously couldn’t repay large loans, should be considered a crime.
    During his early to mid 2000s push of the idea that everyone should own a home who couldn’t obtain loans based on their inability to repay them, Frank convinced then Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, to artificially lower interest rates. This would in turn encourage banks to make more loans, which it of course did. That wasn’t enough, however, so Barney Frank coerced Fannie Mae into making risky subprime loans (loans to borrowers with poor credit or borrowers who will likely default).
    Frank’s actions pumped the housing bubble and inflated the prices of homes far beyond market value. The number of home owners, especially in poorer congressional districts, grew and voters repaid Democrats for helping them secure loans by reelecting them.

    Above information obtained online and added to my own thoughts.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:19 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2349

    No, Mr. Hutchins I may not address you in any other way than with the proper title of "Mr." This is how I directly address ALL contributors on this forum – without exception. Why in the world would you think I'd alter my form of address simply because you believe yourself to be atypical or even special? As I’ve never instructed anyone here to address me in any particular fashion, I find it completely out of line for those who have never met me to use my first name or derivatives thereof. Indeed, those who take such liberties here don’t do so as a matter of respect – it’s a deliberate form of disrespect (not that I care as I simply consider the source). I find it rather peculiar that after all this time this is the first I’ve heard of your objections in this regard – as such I must wonder about the validity of your redress.

    On another note but directly related to your title objections, your discussion above regarding proper behavior in court makes no sense. Rarely does a judge use a defendant's or plaintiff's first name during proceedings. Even attorneys who may be on a first-name basis with the judge, the clerk of the court or other officers of the court on the street don't address each other as if they're meeting in a bar. To suggest that one might lose a court case based upon the usage of a proper title is preposterous – as is this entire debate. “Manners” matter, Mr. Hutchins.

    And yes, all of this is very entertaining. Thank you!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:17 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I guess it depends on the definition of better off...


    During the slavery days, many slave owners rationalized that the slaves were better off having all their needs taken care of than if they tried to make a living on their own. For me, Liberals have that same thinking process in which they decide how you should live, what decisions you can make and what food you shall eat... that you are better off doing as they say and will force you to do as they want with the power of government on their side.

    Personally, I would rather live in poverty and have more freedoms than have wealth but under the control and thumb of the government. In other words, I am an anti-Nanny-ism type guy.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:13 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    And don't forget John they promoted American values like torture, phone conversation eaves dropping. invading Iraq thinking we would be hailed as liberators, looking for WMDs by invadeing a country, believing huge tax breaks would create a trickle down of jobs and wealth, saying looking for Bin Laudin was not worth our effort, deregulation would free markets to new heights..
    Ah but what do we here now, oh it would have worked but its someones elses fault not theirs that it didn't. Where do you here that now.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:09 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    I have to admit that I do not love it when our Liberal friends decide or force their conservative friends to be subjected to their never ending desire to experience Nanny-ism.

    Of course our liberal friends appreciate and perceive they are better off under the Obama's attempt to transform America into a centrally controlled society that one can see in Cuba. However, people who enjoy the freedom to succeed or fail without Big Brother mandating how it is all done, will never vote for Obama.

    I think the only way Obama could exceed the liberal Nanny expectations generated by Obama would be if Obama became dictator of United States, and forced all the pesky conservatives and tea party type citizens to like their medicine as they shove it in bulk straight down their throats.

    Nothing makes a liberal feel more satisfied and pleased than to force others to live as they want because they know better than you do...

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:03 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I have to admit that I love it when our Conservative friends contend that we were better off when George Bush left office. It is a testament to the power of the Conservative media and the propaganda they provide. To actually put that idea on paper and think that it is true that things were better in 2008 is just amazing.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:40 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are so right Robert. The last days of the Bush administration were so exciting!
    The thrill of losing 800,00 jobs a month. The joy of watching the collapse Lehman brothers. Who could forget the adrenaline rush of wondering how low the stock market could go. Who could not get pumped up and proud of watching the auto industry spiraling into bankruptcy. Yes to be a live witness the the biggest credit crunch since the Great Depression kept us all on the edge of our seats. As a bonus we got to read the casualty lists out of Iraq.Yes, it is pathetic of Liberals not to pine for those Conservative days of glory when the fruit of Conservative ideas were there for everyone to see.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:11 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Stan can I call you Stan?
    To your post below
    You know you are joining a chorus of Obama bashers here and you sound sincere in questioning the majority in favor of Obama. I have said many times why oh why doesn't someone who wants to change my vote realize I need a decent alternative to vote for. I'm not 100% Obama but I am less than 10%Romney since he is so either secretive or flip flopping. When you rail against Obama I simply question your motives. So why not do everyone a favor and tell us why anyone should vote for Romney. And don't be lame and say "hes not Obama". Thats what I already know and yes thats what I expect.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:45 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    People may address me as Daniel, and if you just have to get a last name designation in there, you may address me as Daniel H, in case another Daniel comes along and we need to distinguish one from the other.

    How many of you went to court and were addressed as Mr. , or Ms. XXX?

    Did you win?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:42 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    You may address me as daniel, and if you just cannot do it, you may address me as Daniel H or something like that, but please, not the same Mr. XXX as other typical US citizens prefer to be addressed.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:40 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Jerome,
    I continue to stand behind my statements of the birth certificate, but I also refuse to support this any further.
    This was a long time ago when I did not know that this was supposed to be private. Today I would never publish such statement, and I will never do so again.
    (without further explanation of the origins of the birth certificate) I could clarify that the stationary used is a state responsibility, so there is a lot of variability.

     
  • stan taves posted at 8:44 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Do you folks on the left really believe that 4 more yrs of Obama will actually improve anything for this nation? Based on what? Can't you see that this man is the worst President we've ever had? Just look at the wreckage left behind in Obama's wake. C'mon, he has failed to deliver anything except for misery, and yet, you continue to stand by your man. The truth is that you lefty's should be embarrassed for being duped, but your not; "No", you say, "it's time to double down, we're almost there, we need more time".Yeah, that's it, more time to complete the "transformation"? Sorry, but this nation will not stomach Obama's transformation. We've gotten a taste of it, but be assured that if we swallow it, it's guaranteed to come right back up.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:35 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If Obama had been the Captain of the Titanic when it sunk, the liberals would be running around proclaiming how clean the decks were. Cherry picking negative events while a Republican President was in office is absurd, but then that's what we have come to expect from the Liberals that actually believe we are better off now than when Obama took office. Pathetic observation, at best.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:09 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You are correct about one thing Mr. Lucas. You can't fix stupid.

    REALITY CHECK 2.0:

    Before Obama there had never been a deficit anywhere near $1 trillion. The highest previously was $458 billion, or less than half a trillion, in 2008. The federal deficit for the last budget adopted by a Republican controlled Congress was $161 billion for fiscal year 2007. But the budget deficits for Obama’s four years were reported in Obama’s own 2013 budget as $1.413 trillion for 2009, $1.293 trillion for 2010, $1.3 trillion for 2011, and $1.327 trillion for 2012, four years in a row of deficits of $1.3 trillion or more, the highest in world history.

    President Obama’s own 2013 budget shows that as a result federal debt held by the public will double during Obama’s four years as President. That means in just one term President Obama will have increased the national debt as much as all prior Presidents, from George Washington to George Bush, combined.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:28 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    How does "our show" morph into "Andrew has a radio station?"

    I have never made any such claim.

    "Our show" is syndicated by the Genesis Communication Network and available on 70 AM and FM stations as well as podcast, XM radio or on-line. I am a contributing writer/researcher for infowars. It's not "MY" station nor is it "MY" website.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:01 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Warren Commission Report Chapter 3, pg.81

    and yes Daniel, I am fully aware that the bullet in question was found on Governor Connally's stretcher. I was merely dumbing down the question for Mike as well as spoon feeding him ammunition to respond with something other than his usual ad hominem BS. As you can see, he has failed quite miserably, AGAIN.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:41 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Things have only gotten better since we were rid of Geo Bush.
    We continue to get better despite the obstruction of the ball and chain repubs...

    If one focuses on the observation Mr Kinderman made about “nannyism” the left craves, it becomes very clear why Mr Heuer would perceive his above statement to be truth.

    Obamacare was passed, powers of the Patriot Act were increased, it gave the Federal government immense powers it before did not have. People like Mr. Heuer demands their nanny government control and dominate every aspect of their life
    ( and others who oppose nannyism). So of course, these people would definitely see that we (he) is better off under Obama.

    May I ask Mr Heuer, who ties your shoes in the morning? Is your daughter still laughing?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:22 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...Andrew, I never respond or read your stuff...

    Obviously, truth hurts... it is how Mr Lucas an cope and maintain his sanity, in other words, he is utilizing ego defense mechanisms, it helps him to :
    minimize anxiety, protect his ego and to maintain repression... obviously anything that threatens the reality he has created ( known as Lucas World) is avoided at all costs.

    Apparently, it is normal for people inflicted with “tunnel vision” to avoid any conflict of information in order to maintain their “comfortable reality” which is often delusional.

    So yes, I can very well imagine Mr Lucas “NEVER” reads anyone's stuff that counters “Lucas World”that would be a reasonable behavior for someone with his condition.


     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:27 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    FYI if you take inflation in account it is well over 80%

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:41 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    See, Mr. Hutchins does have a sense of humor and an impeccable, if not singular, wit. Let the banter continue: how about those birth certificates, Mr. Hutchins? Any updates as to why neither mine of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, nor some of my children’s who were born in California are absent the peculiar verbiage in the margins? Or is that too far off topic that would have you rather stick to the JFK episode?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:07 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Andrew, I never respond or read your stuff. I made the mistake of doing so this time because I thought you were going to respond in a rational manner to what I was saying. This example is the reason why I will never read your stuff or respond to you in any way for it is just pointless and a waste of one's time.
    You said:

    4.)“Seventy-eight percent of the national debt before President Obama was put there by conservative Republicans.”
    REALITY CHECK: This is a joke, right?

    Jimmy Carter left Reagan with a National debt of 930 billion of which he ran up 277 billion. I took the amount of National Debt each president left. Reagan and the Bushes ran up 8,254 billion dollars. Clinton ran up 1485 billion dollars. You take the amount our financially conservative Republican ran up and divide it by the total debt and you come to 78%. It is not a joke it is called math.

    There are several other examples of your "thinking" along the same lines in your rebuttal. I wish you well but one thing I have learned. You just cannot fix stupid.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:21 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Mike
    There are 8 posted rules to this online blogosphere and there is not one that says you are required to respond to a post even if you are asked to repond. There is no posted rule that you have to follow any URL or You Tube video. I don't know where someone like Andrew can demand any respone or to consider any proposition and report back to him. If I state an opinion and there is some rebuttal opinion I feel that is the way it works. If rebuttals include "well what about this?" URLs, videos or other remarks requireing "research" (considering the source) I don't feel obligated to spend any more time then what suits me and not anyone else. I already feel I'm spending too much time here. There are other things that demand my time. Somebody posted thiry points saying what about this? Now I consider the source and know I am going to have to Google all this stuff ,ompare with secondary sources and for what? I don't want to do resarch papers for those that can't look at alternative sources themselves. They need to do their own work to get another perspective.

    Andrew has a radio station? Where?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:56 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    I think it’s time for a REALITY CHECK Mr. Lucas…

    1.)“The two greatest financial disasters in American history happened under their watch after being in power for eight years, in both 1929 and 2008.”

    REALITY CHECK: The total liabilities of the United States government, including future social security and medicare payments that the U.S. government is already committed to pay out, now exceed 65 TRILLION dollars, which is more than the entire GDP of the whole world!
    Since Barack Obama became president, the U.S. national debt has increased by an average of more than $64,000 per taxpayer.
    Sadly, the U.S. national debt is now more than 5000 times larger than it was when the Federal Reserve was first created.
    43 straight months of unemployment over 8%, which the Joint Economic Committee of Congress confirms is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression almost 75 years ago.
    A recently revised IMF policy paper entitled “An Analysis of U.S. Fiscal and Generational Imbalances: Who Will Pay and How?” projects that U.S. government debt will rise to about 400 percent of GDP by the year 2050.
    Now most people have a really hard time grasping just how much money 16 trillion dollars actually is. If right this moment you went out and started spending one dollar every single second, it would take you more than 31,000 years to spend one trillion dollars. And it would take you more than half a million years to spend 16 trillion dollars!

    2.)“The biggest terrorist attack in American history on Sept. 11, 2001, with much new information coming out that they completely ignored many warnings of its approach.”

    REALITY CHECK: While the Clinton Administration slept during the terrorists’ war against the United States, John P. O’Neill did all he could to fight the radical Islamists who wished to place the American people in harm’s way. In fact, Clinton’s own FBI director, Louis Freeh, says the former president let down the American people. O’Neill faced political opposition from members of the Clinton Administration, who ignored his reports and warnings.

    3.)“The war in Iraq, searching for non-existent weapons of mass destruction which is by any measure certainly one of the biggest policy blunders of all time.”

    REALITY CHECK: The infamous “Downing Street Memo” and its “fixed” intelligence for invading Iraq came from then-MI6 head, John Dearlove and Prime Minister Tony Blair.

    4.)“Seventy-eight percent of the national debt before President Obama was put there by conservative Republicans.”

    REALITY CHECK: This is a joke, right?

    5.)“There are several states with Republican majorities mandating invasive ultrasounds before having an abortion for women who have been raped or victims of incest.”

    REALITY CHECK: No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent.

    6.)“Since 1961, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. Republicans created 24 million, the Democrats 42 million in four less years.”

    REALITY CHECK: Barack Obama is the second-worst private jobs creator of the last half-century (George W. Bush is first, but still created far more net jobs than Obama overall), putting Obama dead last if you include state and federal jobs in these statistics.

    7.)“President Bush appointed a horse lawyer to FEMA who could not figure out how to get water to victims of Hurricane Katrina.”

    REALITY CHECK: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin (Democrat) failed to implement his evacuation plan and ordered residents to a shelter without any provisions for food, water, security, or sanitary conditions. He also delayed his emergency evacuation order until less than a day before landfall, which led to hundreds of deaths because people could no longer find any way out of the city. And we all remember the pictures of school bus parking lots full of yellow school buses, which Mayor Nagin (Democrat) refused to use in the evacuation. Why? He said they weren’t covered with insurance liability and there was a shortage of bus drivers. Governor Blanco (Democrat) also was to blame for her mistakes. But in fairness to all, we must keep in mind that this was the worst natural disaster in U.S. History. It was also the first time that FEMA was operating under the newly created Department of Homeland Security. The poor response of federal, state, and local authorities to prepare for and respond to the disaster is an example of government failure at all levels.

    8.)“Republicans passing strict voter ID laws openly admitting that they are doing it for partisan political purposes.”

    REALITY CHECK: Several states have attempted to implement voter ID laws, but have been viciously attacked by Eric Holder’s Justice Department at every turn. Eric Holder has said multiple times there exists no evidence of Voter Fraud.
    Well, he's dead WRONG! Poll workers on Primary Day in Washington, DC offered Mr. Attorney General Eric Holder’s voting ballot to a complete stranger.

    See for yourself: http://youtu.be/P5p70YbRiPw

    9.)“Republicans routinely vote against laws that demand equal pay for equal work for women.”

    REALITY CHECK: The Equal Pay Act of 1963 explicitly banned wage and job discrimination on the basis of sex.
    Additionally, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, between January 2009, when Obama took office, and March 2012, there has been a net decline of 740,000 jobs for both men and women. But (it’s a big BUT) among women there has been a net loss of 683,000 jobs. So 92.3 percent of the jobs lost under Obama were lost by women!

    10.)“The use of supply side economics — or as Bush the Elder so aptly put it, “voodoo economics” — has led to the hollowing out of the middle class.”

    REALITY CHECK: Real median household income has decreased by more than $4,000 since Barack Obama entered the White House. The number of Americans living in poverty has risen by 6 million and the number of Americans on food stamps has risen by 15 million.

    11.)“They have a bias against science, especially arithmetic.”

    REALITY CHECK: No one ever accused the Democrats of being mathematical wizards, but there is something pathetic about their current attacks on the “rich”. The very people they count on to pay for all of their entitlements.It is ironic, to say the least, that from the Democrats’ perspective the nation suffers, more than anything else, from a shortage of rich people.
    [sleeping]

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:55 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Ms. Bobin... Uhh... I truly wish that Leonard was here so that he could prescribe medication, and with your impeccable comments to embellish his, with unquestionable wisdom.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:52 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Hey folks. I was just kidding. And for Ms. Bobin, yes, another thank you.
    Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.
    Oswald was not standing on the sidewalk aside the motorcade when JFK took the first bullet. That would be impossible because Oswald was upstairs. Everybody knows that.
    The bullet hole in JFK's shirt was in the wrong place because people wouldn't understand how it got there, so Gerald Ford moved the bullet hole so that the Warren Commission report would be more comprehensible. No conspiracy here. What kind of nut cases would think otherwise?
    Jerome: It's 50 years later. How could it possible affect us now? Why worry, except for entertainment?
    There was no relationship whatsoever between JFK's death, and his order to print silver certificates that would be backed by congress, and which was rescinded by LBJ on board Air Force One on the date of JFK's death. LBJ was right. We can't have a currency that is backed by any substance and which is issued outside the Federal Reserve without the wisdom and superior and unquestionable intelligence of the Fed Reserve Board, and why do we need a constitutional currency anyway?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:44 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Bullet on JFK's stretcher in the hospital? Where did you get that one?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:43 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Thomas. There was not a magic bullet. Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. That was not Oswald who was photographed in a still shot a split second after JFK took the first bullet. All such talk is just nonsense.

    It was just a coincidence that two of the Watergate burglars were at the JFK scene.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:39 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Jerome, I'm glad that I don't post in here to impress you. I have a greater purpose in life. Droll to you. That's fine. Doesn't harm me in any way.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:36 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Mr Kinderman, after reading Mr Heuers passionate post, I again am left with the thought of how right you are... The nanny mentality, expectation and preference is very well demonstrated by this man... he comprehends zero concerning the points you made.

    Clearly, Mr Heuer is an enabler and promoter of nanny think

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:31 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Mr Chang stated..."Conservatives win no matter the result"(in reference to my post)

    Not true. You old angry white guys are dying off... I don't think the GOP has too many more competitive election cycles left!


    Mr Chang's bigotry is showing clear as a bell... In addition,please do not be so harsh in describing Mr Lucas and his crowd... they do not know any beter than to attack people's character to attempt to bring it down to their own level. Have patience

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:42 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Demographics are going to play a role for sure, I think a bigger factor is that people are really tired of right wing rhetoric. People are really sick of Darrel Baumbach like mindless babble.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:31 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    John I agree. Worse off? Things have only gotten better since we were rid of Geo Bush. We continue to get better despite the obstruction of the ball and chain repubs. The only thing that can go wrong is if more repubs than dems get into congress. If that happens we will lose our country. We will become a third world country via austerity.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:22 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Word Wa

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:16 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    There is a problem with kids being covered by health care till they are 26 yrs old??? What you don't have children? I kbnow conservatives are anti intellectual and thats why Santorum ranted that conservatives will never get the smart peoples vote. But there are people whos kids go to college until well into their mid twenties. I wish this was in place while she was going to college. Tuition was bad enough. She is a teacher now and well on her own in her own home and about to be married. So to those who aren't sending their kids to college you may feel there is a need to establish the offspring independence prior to the age 26. However kids going to college need all the help they can get. I pay taxes and I am glad to help college kids who are the future of this country. Being over 60 myself I remember going to Delta when it was free (exceptfor books). College was not nearly the cost it is today. I was amazed when my daughter went to Delta how much it cost now and is still much cheaper than the three and a half years at the university. Since she was away from home the jobs she could get barely covered her living expense. So I don't get the complaint over the 56 age limit. Thats nanny state? Support your kids send them to college.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:30 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    "Conservatives win no matter the result"

    Not true.

    You old angry white guys are dying off...

    I don't think the GOP has too many more competitive election cycles left!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:09 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Mr Lucas with joyful anticipation of a conservative feeling bad indignantly stated...Well Jerome, barring some kind catastrophe Obama is going to be re-elected. It is very likely that you are going to have to put up with 4 more years of Obama.

    Actually, I am so much looking forward to the election. Conservatives win no matter the result.

    If Obama wins. Conservatives get the pleasure of holding the liberals accountable for their bad decisions. The liberals will have to take responsibility for the irresponsible policies and legislation they inflicted on the American people. We then can begin the process of reversing the damage liberals brought by motivating the voters make real change to our government.

    If Romney wins, we will have rid the white house with liberal infestation this horrible disease inflicts upon the helpless and unsuspecting. We then can save the liberals from themselves and the dishonest and harsh policies Obama and his Tzars pushed.

    So win or lose, no matter the results, life is good. [thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:51 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Mr Kinderman stated... This is indicative of the nanny state ..

    Exactly Mr Kinderman. It appears that people who support Obama are the helpless liberals that enjoy and appreciate being cared for and coddled. Cradle to grave dependency is preferred as they are not motivated to take responsibility for their success and failure. Big Brother is comforting and provides security... Yes, Nanny state is their fantasy.

    Mr Lucas and the liberals will be bitter and angry if Obama”not”care is taken away as they need that warm feeling they get from the grasp of government's steel fisted control.

    I'm sure if Obama is elected again, a big party will be had, a night of celebration indeed, the night ending in comfort tucked tight in bed while urgently sucking their thumbs fast to sleep.

    ah.. so cute!![sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:39 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    "Now that he’ll be free to do virtually anything he wants during his last four years"

    Enjoy.

    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:31 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    [sleeping]... Of course Mr Lucas can sleep walk through Bill Clinton's "violation" of woman... maybe that is not a crime in his books.... but of course, Reagan and Bush, they are the real criminals.(gag)

    Mr Integrity is talking about moral crimes of Cheney? Maybe you should get your own house in order.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:30 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    How were you able to conclude anything?

    All I have done is ask two questions both of which have apparently left you dumbfounded as usual.

    By the way, as I have already stated, more than once I might add, our show is on Mon-Fri, 11:00 a.m.—3:00 p.m CST and Sunday from 4:00.—6:00 PM CST

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:18 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Interesting. You said:

    I’m troubled as to how worse off we’ll be in four more years compared to today.

    Well Jerome barring some kind catastrophe Obama is going to be re-elected. It is very likely that you are going to have to put up with 4 more years of Obama. You can also bet on one more thing. When he leaves office in 2017 it will not be as bad as 2008. 2008 was so bad that only a Conservative could have brought it about.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:58 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    "'Kids' stay on their parents health care until they are age 25." This is a good thing?!?

    This is indicative of the nanny state that is causing many people to never grow up and accept responsibility for themselves. As difficult as it is, children should be encouraged to become independent as quickly as possible. Although by the time our children turn 21 they still have much to learn, I believe if we’ve done our jobs correctly they should be able to handle themselves on their own by then. Generations before us prove this.

    I wasn’t all that surprised when Obama’s healthcare bill included this provision – clearly it was an attempt to garner votes for the president’s re-election bid in November. In fact, nearly everything he’s done to us during his first four years has been to grab votes. Now that he’ll be free to do virtually anything he wants during his last four years (if we’re unfortunate enough to have him in the White House until 2017), I’m troubled as to how worse off we’ll be in four more years compared to today.

    But I am more than hopeful that the Obama family will have a change in address come January 2013.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:34 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Actually, the only thing you EVER do is respond with sophmoric ad hominems.

    Can you provide any instance where you haven't? No.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:24 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Ummm...OK. If that's all you've got knock yourself out. Will you at any point be discussing the topic of the thread?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:08 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Your welcome. What is interesting to me is that what Nixon did was nothing compared to what Reagan and the Bushes did. In Reagan's case they clearly violated the Boland Amendment. Outing a CIA agent was the least of what Cheney did. I think with Cheney his legal crimes are far out done by his moral crimes.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:49 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Actually I very much know what I'm talking about as does Daniel.

    Your cognitive dissonance is just getting in the way again. As usual.

    Perhaps you could prove me wrong and address a few of the many valid points Mr. Baumbach raised.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:43 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Passed Health care reform
    When implemented will cover 34 million more Americans
    Kids stay on their parents Health care until age 25
    Will eventually close Donut hole on seniors prescriptions. Already they are getting money back
    In the last two years the rate of inflation in the Health insurance costs have halved. Many are getting refunds now because of the limits placed on administration costs.

    Passed the stimulus which staunch the wound of losing 800,000 jobs a month because of the Bush Administration incompetence in economic matters

    Passed Wall Street Reform

    Ended the war in Iraq

    Began drawdown of the war in Afghanistan

    Eliminated Osama Bin Laden

    Turned around the Auto industry

    Recapitalized the banks

    Ended “Don't ask Don’t tell”

    Toppled Moammar Gaddafi

    Told Mubarak to Go

    Reversed Bush torture policies

    Improved America’s image abroad. (of course after Bush that was not that hard)

    Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending

    . Increased Support for Veterans

    Tightened Sanctions on Iran

    Passed Credit Card Reforms

    Passed Lilly Ledbetter Law. Equal pay for Equal work

    Avoided Scandal

    Expanded Health Coverage for Children. Schip

    Kid who grew up here and are doing well and playing by the rules are no longer deported

    Has seen the economy create 4.5 million private sector jobs after inheriting an economy that was bleeding 800,000 jobs a month when he took office

    He did this with a Republican Opposition that was against anything he wanted to do

    Which economy would you want to inherit? What Bush left Obama or the economy we have now?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:40 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    I must admit I found that quite odd myself Ms. Bobin.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:37 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Darrell: Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK in the neck and the head. His first round hit a curb, spraying the presidential limosine with concrete and bullet fragments, one of which hit JFK in the head and cracked the front window. Simple geometry and physics only supports the LHO involvement.

    The 1st problem with being wishy washy about things like this is they can go on and on forever with no resolution. I don't want to hear about the Warren Commission members changing their minds or some other Oliver Stonian mind screw.

    The second problem with "conspiracies" in general is that they always must rely on many, sometimes thousands of people to keep their mouth's shut. This just doesn't happen. Now the serious conspiracy nuts will talk about this so and so who said this and this other nimrod testified to this and in the end, neither one of them were even in Dallas or there's some other precluding event.

    John, thank you for the roster of shame. Most republican presidents leave office with long list of indicted cohorts and friends. Bush W. must have paid someone off because there is no way Chenney didn't violate some law.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:55 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    "So on November 6 we'll find out what the entire nation believes of both these men"

    Millions of people will be sad but millions more will be celebrating.

    Please guess which group Jerome will be in?

    Jerome will be relying on his Prilosec HD to get him trough these next 4 years.

    The discomfort he'll feel, both real or imagined, will inspire him to write many more passionate letters.

    Oh boy!


    [beam]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:39 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    "tepid"

    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:33 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    "Now getting back to the title of this letter"

    Wow...

    This would of made a great piece for your part time/guest columnists gig?

    What, they didn't want it???


    [sad]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:28 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Nice catch Joanne

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:25 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    White House Oval Office on March 4, 1987 and two other speeches The great leader stated:


    "A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages. This runs counter to my own beliefs, to administration policy, and to the original strategy we had in mind."

    the following people were indicted, some convicted, some got off but most were pardoned by Bush the elder:

    Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense
    William Casey, Head of the CIA.
    Robert C. McFarlane, National Security Adviser
    Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State
    Alan D. Fiers Chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force
    Clair George Chief of Covert Ops-CIA
    Oliver North, member of the National Security Council
    Fawn Hall, Oliver North's secretary
    Jonathan Scott Royster Liaison to Oliver North
    John Poindexter National Security Advisor
    Duane Clarridge An ex-CIA senior official
    Richard V. Secord Ex-major general
    Albert Hakim A businessman

    This leads one to believe one or two things. Either he knew and was lying or the great leader was not calling the shots. So much for "Leadership"

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:10 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Now getting back to the title of this letter, “A history of conservative Republican ideas and achievements,” I would think at this point in a presidential incumbent’s campaign for a second term, “A history of Obama’s ideas and achievements” should have been offered. (I do understand that the author has no power to assign his/her own title.)

    But no, rather than a joyful bullet list of pages and pages of successes that have brought us out of the muck and mire to economic and other reliefs, once again it’s someone else’s fault that we are where we are. Talk about a tepid effort on the part of the most powerful man on the planet. Sad indeed.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:01 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Mike, one who is not open to all possibilities never sees what can be.

    You may be right, maybe JFK met his end like you perceive he did. However, please consider that it is possible you may be wrong. People who are suspicious of cover ups will leave no stone unturned to investigate that possibility.

    People who are not suspicious or curious, will leave all stones as they were.

    Many times, people's suspicions will turn out to be wrong, but sometimes they discover truth that was hidden.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:57 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Of course the differences between the Reagan and Obama administrations are striking. Leaders are not made; they are born with innate qualities that give them the ability to bring people together. Reagan was a true leader. Sadly, President Obama has worked harder to divide this nation than any I can remember. Just remember what he and his ilk did during the healthcare debacle. The outward lying, cheating, and other chicanery will be his legacy insofar as his prized "ObamaCare" is concerned (if it even survives). Indeed, why then has he not hardly mentioned this victory during this last campaign of his?

    There have been only two things he's pointed to of any significance: the capture and killing of Osama bin Laden and the "supposed" rescue of General Motors (that is still under scrutiny). An incumbent president should not only be able to provide a long list of things he’s done successfully to prove we’re better off now than when he took office, there should also be a mob of lesser incumbents running to jump on his coattails as they all sail to victory unfettered. So far this is the most awkward and un-inclusive election in the history of the Republic (IMHO).

    As I've continued to maintain during the past four years, we are in dire need of leaders, not pushers - we have virtually none as Obama is the King of Pushers. Now, will Romney be able to bring us together at least to the point where we might begin to heal? I don't know; but just as Obama was given his chance four years ago and failed, it’s time to give someone else a chance before it really is too late. Obama has proved that he cannot (or is it will not?) do it. Can we afford to give him an additional four years (un-tethered) to finally prove he's up to the task? Absolutely not! So on November 6 we'll find out what the entire nation believes of both these men.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:54 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    I wonder if Andrew will tell us who HE thinks attacked the Alamo.

    Something tells me its not going to be Santa Ana....

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:53 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    When Leonard quit this forum he stated that he was worried how Daniel would be treated because when people mock him he doesn't realize it is mocking. Notice how many times he has thanked individuals for their comments in recent posts.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:49 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Weirdo JFK conspiracy nuts.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:46 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated....How could Reagan, already dead when BO became president, "wear the Obama diapers?"

    Hummm , did you actually take my point literally and not figuratively? Another Tina Fey classic for our resident comedian. Bobin humor knows no bounds.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:34 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1112

    "tête-à-tête"

    Get a room!!

    Tete`-a-tete´ (tāt`å`tāt´) n. 1. Private conversation; familiar interview or conference of two persons. 2. A short sofa intended to accomodate two persons. a. 1. Private; confidential; familiar.


    [wink]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:17 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Mr. Baumbach, with his usual selective memory, wrote: "Unlike Obama's cry baby antics of saying Bush did it... Bush did it... Wahhh..., Reagan assumed responsibility and handled the problem with responsible conservative principles. In other words, he refused to wear the Obama diapers and be a big boy."

    1. How could Reagan, already dead when BO became president, "wear the Obama diapers?"

    2. Excerpts from the 1982 SOTU address - Ronald Reagan:

    "First, we must understand what's happening at the moment to the economy. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that's only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; THEY ARE THE INHERITANCE OF DECADES OF TAX AND TAX, AND SPEND."

    and

    "To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we're going BUT WHERE WE'VE BEEN. THE SITUATION AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR WAS TRULY OMINOUS."

    and

    "Now the budget deficit this year will exceed our earlier expectations. The recession (under Carter) did that. It lowered revenues and increased costs."

    From the 1983 SOTU address - Ronald Reagan:

    "THE PROBLEMS WE INHERITED WERE FAR WORSE than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. CURING THOSE PROBLEMS HAS TAKEN MORE TIME and a higher toll than any of us wanted."

    Ironically, "the decades of tax and spend" included the Nixon/Ford (Republican) years.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:46 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    If Daniel is able to awaken you from your corporate media induced slumber I'm perfectly OK with that. Do tell us Mike, how did 3 shots cause 8 wounds? How did a bullet magically appear on JFK's stretcher in the hospital?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...Daniel, I never thought I'd agree with Kinderman

    Hummm... Actually Mr Heuer, I know that if someone like yourself observes someone with wisdom and quality character like Mr Kinderman's long enough, its only a matter of time until you see the light ...

    So for me, not surprised a bit that you agree with Mr Kinderman.[beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:15 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...There are a panoply of events,laws, regulations originating from our government no matter who was in charge.

    Exactly, for example, Social Secuity and medicare is mandated by law.. it does not matter what idiots gave us these mandates, but both Democrats and Republicans have to work within the boundaries of laws established decades ago. As the years went by, decade after decade, both parties contributed to the mess these programs have given us today. There are 1000's of laws on the books that influence our economy no matter which party is in power. It just so happens that a vast majrity of laws were written by Democrats... Republicans contributed as well.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 3:13 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Really? Where are all these Obama appologists? It seems everytime something bad happens, some republican/conservative is in the room, trying to find a corner to hide in all the time yelling "It's Obama!! He's the enemy!!"

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 3:10 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    I would also like to point out that we appreciate Daniel much more[beam] considering the alternative that has forced itself upon us.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:05 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin, Thank you for bring up the inflation problem Reagan was forced to handle for an incompetent president Carter. Carter ran up the highest inflation rate since 1947 in which it was 14.76% (March 1980). Mortgage interest rates also hit nearly 20%. Reagan inherited almost 12% unemployment from the Carter Administration...

    Unlike Obama's cry baby antics of saying Bush did it... Bush did it... Wahhh..., Reagan assumed responsibility and handled the problem with responsible conservative principles. In other words, he refused to wear the Obama diapers and be a big boy.
    Reagan stimulated the economy producing job growth, and brought unemployment down to about 4%. Inflation under Reagan's term was dramatically reduced...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Mike its all good. I like them both

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:30 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]...good luck with that Mr. Kinderman

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:13 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    The original post was much better.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:12 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    What? I have to write this whole thing again???

    Let me help on the history riddle Daniel has presented us with; First of all, the Watergate burglers gained earlier fame as "the three tramps". The supposed hobo's (all with shiney new shoes) had some function on Nov. 22, 1963, the day JFK was
    wacked by Lee Harvey Oswald and no one else, They might have been caught with phone numbers or imformation linking themselves to the shadowy real government. Not the one we all know and love.

    Mr. Big, as he was never referred to as, according to Daniel's earlier post, must have been the ringleader or field marshall. Part of the plan that the day, the day JFK was wacked by Lee Harvey Oswald and no one else, was to legalize silver or ration silver or buy new silverware, or paint something silver, something to do with silver or Ag as those in the know refer to it as. An aide was detailed to bring along legislation that JFK (who was wacked by Lee Harvey Oswald and no one else) refused to sign it, but LBJ would sign it. In fact (according to Danielian history) once Mr. Big got JFK out of the way (him being wacked by Lee Harvey Oswald and no one else) this was the first piece of legislation that the new president signed.

    I can't reveal Mr. Bigs name but I can tell you he had a son who "became" president later. And we know Mr. Big was there on that morning, the day JFK was
    wacked by Lee Harvey Oswald and no one else, because there is a picture of him smoking a cigarette by the Texas book warehouse.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 1:53 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Let me clear up the riddle that Daniel lilnks to the JFK assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald AND NO ONE ELSE:

    Some or all of the Watergate burglers were known as "the three tramps" JFK assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald AND NO ONE ELSE. I don't recall if it was all three were involved in Watergate or it was two at Watergate, anyway, the important thing you want to follow in Danielian history is that JFK assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald AND NO ONE ELSE and the Watergate breakin were somehow related by who ever was in control of our nation at the time (and Daniel is not talking about JFK or LBJ or RMN or GRF as being in control).

    By coincidence, an aide had brought along some important papers that dealt with silver bars or coins and JFK, who assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald AND NO ONE ELSE, wouldn't sign them but LBJ would and that's the first thing he did after gainng control over the whole US government, or at lest the government as most of us know it, not the shadowy real government.

    Anyway, there is a picture circulating, claiming to be taken outside the Texas School Book Supository , on 11-22-63, the day of the JFK assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald AND NO ONE ELSE, with must have been the overlord of the 'real" government, who for some reason got the job even though he was just a legislator in the Texas statehouse at the time.

    I can reveal the real name of this shadowy figure, but I can tell you he was smoking a cigarette and his son later became president, emphasis on "become" as in "not elected".


     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    I'm hardly ridiculing Mr. Hutchins. We've enjoyed this banter back and forth for a couple of years now. Clearly he has a sense of humor; just as I sincerely believe God wants us to enjoy "spirited" debate as well. Of course if Mr. Hutchins is wounded by my comments I would expect him to let me know. If so, I will certainly offer my apologies to him and then refrain from such tête-à-tête in the future.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    I don't understand the "cloak and dagger" either however that doesn't change the fact that the cure for apathy is comprehension. Read Quiggley's book. Daniel is correct. Why he refuses to state that Bush Sr. is "currently controlling" Obama is beyond me.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:54 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    "Right “now” we’re suffering through one of the greatest economic periods in the history of the Republic; it’s certainly the worst in my nearly 56 years of living."

    I guess Mr. Kinderman must have completely missed the 1980's with runaway inflation and home mortgage rates at 14% (if you could get one). Not to mention 8 years of a president who slept through his entire terms and was only woken up long enough to give a few speeches. Daniel has that little nugget of "truth" correct.

    And shame on a man who claims to be a big Christian while ridiculing a person such as Daniel.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:57 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Daniel, I never thought I'd agree with Kinderman but you are one entertaining fellow. Your conspiracie theories are much more fun than Andrews.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:53 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    If you want to change history the first thing you need to do is muddle some facts like what was said here"There are a panoply of events,laws, regulations originating from our government no matter who was in charge. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are responsible for our current economic position." Now everyone can say yeah thats probably true. Then they get hit with "but to decide on a short term basis , who can better lead our country after the election. With Obama”not”care looming around the corner for implementation where the results will be more government control" and there you go the past is dimissed and we put forward a new partisan image to go forward with devoid of real history. The gee we're all in this together and everybody is to blame slips away and we have bad guys on the horizon. Oh don't look back. Don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain.

    Its been said that those who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to relive it. For those conservatives wanting to forget the history want us to vote again for their failures they want you to forget. They don't want you to remember that G Bush cut taxes without paying for them. Its like cutting your income and try to make ends meet, G Bush went to war in Iraq and never paid for it like all other wars were paid for in the past. Thats like rynning up a gamboling debt after you income was reduced. Now add to that the economic crash nearly as great as the great depression. Thats like loseing all your investments with Maddof after running up gamboling debts and having your income reduced. Now republicans are trying to say oh thats the past, water under the bridge. Focus on the now so we can take the focus off the history and somehow make it seem like its someone elses fault. Like a drunk in the bar blaming everyone else for their troubles. Thats why the president responsible is swept under the rug (not even invited to their convention) so it makes it easier to erase the history. Makes it easier to say yeah its that young fellow over there in the white house hes to blame for all this after all he is not one of us they love to say. People aren't buying it as hard as they try. They look at Romney and say well he might pass for a silk purse but he sure looks like the sows ear we got rid of 4 years ago.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:52 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    "proven!"?

    Please cite your source.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:03 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2349

    Okay, now we're back to 1963 and JFK. Okay, please tell us all about that magic bullet. Inquiring minds and all that droll stuff – entertain us.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:59 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Mr. Hutchins, I'm not interested at all in your "leads." If you've got something valid to back up your theories and/or statements, just reveal it; why the continued cloak and dagger nonsense? But again, I really don't care. I just think you're comical - that's all.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:35 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Daniel stated...John, This is not a Republican-Democrat situation


    Daniel, I have on many occasions attempted to help Mr Lucas comprehend the obvious, which is exactly what you posted. Unfortunately, if the origin of any problem points to liberal policies or legislation, he refuses to consider a discussion.

    There are a panoply of events,laws, regulations originating from our government no matter who was in charge. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are responsible for our current economic position.

    It is not constructive or helpful to focus on this letter, but to decide on a short term basis , who can better lead our country after the election. With Obama”not”care looming around the corner for implementation where the results will be more government control from a Federal basis, electing politicians who favor reversing this trend is my priority.

    In the long run, a shift in focus to either a third party that can make a difference or some type of political pressure to diminish government's stranglehold of American freedoms is in order.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 10:25 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Thank you Jerome.
    I gave you a lead if you want to try to verify what I typed.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:16 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2349

    Hardly "taunting," Mr. Hutchins. Specific information or not, you are always entertaining.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:44 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    John: One more "small" matter: Watergate, just 9 years after the JFK assassination was not a problem of a mentally deranged president who sought to bug the Watergate hotel. At least 2 of the burglars were present at JFK assassination. They testified that they were "taking" pictures. Did they mean "shoot" pictures, or "steal" pictures?

    Although the JFK assassination was almost 50 years ago, the beneficiaries of the assassination still remain in power. In fact, one of them who was photographed on the sidewalk at Dealy Plaza is still alive today and in a position of power although he is an old man.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:40 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    As for your list of recent Republican events, I remind you that two of the Republican presidents were, let's just say, "well-connected" within the cabal. One Republican president was pre-Alzheimeric either in fact or in his behavior, totally oblivious, who campaigned against secret societies during his entire campaign, and then nominated one of the leading members of the cabal as his Vice President. Therefore, the problems you cited above are not the result of being Republican, but they are a problem of the cabal.

    Which cabal? I actually believe that there are 2 of them warring with each other, but I decline to give them a name or to elaborate upon who they are. I post here again, I recommend looking up the archives of the late journalist Christopher Story, if they are not pulled down from his website.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:35 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Wrong, wrong, wrong to blame the stock market crash of 1929 upon the president who held the White House at the time. This was the culmination of the expiration of 70 years of bankruptcy protection (exactly to the year). This was a creditor-debtor collections event. Following this event, FDR's immediate seizure (within 1 week of his inauguration) of the gold from the people, was a renewed application for bankruptcy protection.

    As evidenced by your letter, it seems that you believe that the Stock Market crash of 1929 was accidental and not planned. I don't know if you can be sufficiently open-minded to learn the truth, or not. Certainly, I am not going to teach you anything about this here.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:25 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    John, This is not a Republican-Democrat situation. For example, the White House is currently being controlled by a Republican. (There it is again. Taunting people, without my giving specific information. Read the journalism of the former journalist Christopher Story.)

    Proof that the rep-dem division of America is a conspiracy can be found on page 1261 of Tragedy and Hope, by Carroll Quiggley. Quiggley is a credible source of information because his name was the second name (after JFK) that came out of Clinton's mouth when he accepted the Democratic nomination in 1992.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:13 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    These are all wrong but to correct them I will need more caffine. "secret amnesty program" what was the secret. "political appointees"? You mean the guy who also worked on the 9/11 distribution? I.ve got to get some coffee.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:09 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    The program was not tossed aside. Two governors, bothe republicans, asked for MODIFICATION which strengthed the work requirement in their states. Brian you sure are a lo of whooie.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:06 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    And Mr Lucas would be correct.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:05 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Revolutionary????

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:03 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    I think Darrell already said this.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:56 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    If you only wanted to search for WMDs then we should have let the inspectors finish their job. Repubs like to say we acted decisivly when no we just looked stupid.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:53 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    And Mike Adams, the Obama appologists weighing in citing every half-truth and inuendo in his limited quiver. Prepare for many numbers even he will admit he doesn't understand.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:50 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1423

    Great letter John and Brian maybe your consuming a little too much caffine as evidenced by the extensive posting.

    Its been said that hose who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to relive it. For those conservatives wanting to forget the history want us to vote again for their failures they want you to forget. They don't want you to remember that G Bush cut taxes without paying for them. Its like cutting your income and try to make ends meet, G Bush went to war in Iraq and never paid for it like all other wars were paid for in the past. Thats like rynning up a gamboling debt after you income was reduced. Now add to that the economic crash nearly as great as the great depression. Thats like loseing all your investments with Maddof after running up gamboling debts and having your income reduced. Now republicans are trying to say oh thats the past, water under the bridge. Focus on the now so we can take the focus off the history and somehow make it seem like its someone elses fault. Like a drunk in the bar blaming everyone else for their troubles. Thats why the president responsible is swept under the rug (not even invited to their convention) so it makes it easier to erase the history. Makes it easier to say yeah its that young fellow over there in the white house hes to blame for all this after all he is not one of us they love to say. People arn't buying it as hard as they try. They look at Romney and say well he might pass for a silk purse but he sure looks like the sows ear we got rid of 4 years ago.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:40 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Mr. Lucas wrote:

    They have a bias against science, especially arithmetic

    -Partially correct. Except, Republicans have a bias against bad science, especially bad arithmetic. But I don't want to trample too much on the legacy of Obama.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:28 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Mr. Lucas wrote:

    The war in Iraq, searching for non-existent weapons of mass destruction which is by any measure certainly one of the biggest policy blunders of all time.

    Chuckle,

    Had we not got on board with the United Nations and other countries insisting their intelligence confirmed there was a high probability those WMD's Saddam posessed would be found it would have been a bigger blunder. Obviously Mr. Lucas doesn't think it was worth the effort to go searching for WMD's even though many on the left were concerned of their existence until they realized it was not politically expedient on their part to endorse it because, in so many words on their part, an Easter egg hunt.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:10 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    First President to spend a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later admit there was no such thing as shovel-ready jobs.
    First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
    First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
    First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with cr imi nal convictions.
    First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
    First President to terminate Americas ability to put a man in space.
    First President to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places.
    First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:10 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
    First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
    First President to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the United States .
    First President to violate the War Powers Act.
    First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
    First President to defy a Federal Judges court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
    First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:08 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Darrell,

    Great list. I think we can conclude your list has overshadowed John's. And these things happened over the course of less than 4 years by ONE President. Obama has mentioned on many occasions his legacy is one of his primary concerns. Obviously one of the main themes of his legacy is he is a revolutionary. Not exactly a compliment.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:57 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Mr. Lucas seems to be confident the Democrat's debalces pale in comparison to the Republican's debacles.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:25 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/obamas-welfare-debacle/2012/08/08/02aa2f24-e154-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.htmlA clip:Obama’s welfare debacleBy Jennifer RubinMitt Romney is hammering President Obama on welfare reform, and for good reason. The 1996 welfare reform legislation was overwhelmingly popular, was a great bipartisan achievement, stands as a policy success and comports with Americans’ deepest values about personal responsibility and the work ethic. And Obama tosses that aside, for reasons that still seem perplexing. Is there some anti-work welfare contingent out there? It’s inexplicable both on policy and political grounds.

    Edited by staff.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:14 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Of course there's a more recent history of Liberal Democratic ideas and achievements.http://conservativeoutpost.com/dems_prematurely_replace_%E2%80%9Cblame_bush%E2%80%9D_%E2%80%9Cblame_romney%E2%80%9D Dems Prematurely Replace “Blame Bush” With “Blame Romney”Posted by :scottspiegel September 21, 2012 - 8:07pm Has Mitt Romney sewed up the 2012 election and begun issuing policy pronouncements via the Office of the President-Elect? That’s what you’d think to hear mainstream news commentators tell it.Witness the media uproar over Romney’s absolutely true, courageously firm observation that President Obama’s State Department is more interested in sparing the feelings of Muslim terrorists than standing up for American values. Rather than evaluating and refuting his charges; rather than critically reexamining Obama’s approach; rather than considering the repercussions of the President’s conciliatory stance toward our enemies; liberals… blamed the crisis on someone who doesn’t even work for the government. Rachel Maddow cried that we were in the middle of a tense, hair-trigger confrontation requiring suave diplomatic prowess, and that Romney may just have sent rioting protestors over the top. Newsflash, MSNBC hosts: Rioting protestors were already over the top—literally, in the case of the embassy walls they scaled and the black Al Qaeda victory banners they hoisted after tearing down and burning American flags in Egypt and Libya. Fanatic Muslim savages don’t need an excuse to wreak havoc against the West. A few boilerplate conservative statements by an American presidential candidate don’t rouse them from a stance of tranquil tolerance to one of prickly outrage. They’re already perpetually in a state of prickly outrage. Rioters didn’t require a shoddy 14-minute YouTube film trailer to cause mayhem on September 11. They were already sufficiently motivated to murder American ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and drag his body through the streets. Even the Obama administration now admits that Stevens’ murder was a terrorist attack, and new evidence suggests that Al Qaeda was behind it. But by liberals’ calculation, the real policy-driver, the de facto Commander in Chief, the actual mover and shaker who’s screwing up the Middle East, is an unemployed father of five struggling to keep even with Obama in the polls. Consider the essence of Democrats’ “Blame Bush” strategy, which they initiated at the height of the 2008 presidential campaign season and have continued right up through August’s lousy job numbers. Remember that their approach did not merely take Bush to task for things he did wrong. Most conservatives will happily rattle off a laundry list of complaints about Bush, from his expanding government entitlement programs to his failing to win the Iraq War early and decisively enough. No, “Blame Bush” was the catchall excuse Democrats evolved to protect Obama from unflattering comparisons to the far more experienced Republican candidate Senator John McCain, and from criticism of his handling of the economy and international relations once President. Obama wasted four years spending the country into oblivion; but when we failed to recover from the recession, Democrats blamed Bush for leaving him an economy much worse than was imaginable by anyone, including liberal economists we were supposed to trust regarding the restorative effect of Obama’s stimulus bill. Obama spent four years bowing and scraping before our enemies; but when he pledged to sit down and talk with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without preconditions, and Iran responded by defying the international prohibition on continuing its nuclear weapons program, Democrats blamed Bush for creating a hostile negotiation environment. If Mitt Romney is elected president, Democrats’ strategy will transition from blaming everything on Bush to blaming it on Romney, as though Obama’s four-year stint in the White House left no trace. But I don’t know anyone who anticipated that Democrats would be desperate enough to start blaming the unelected Romney for Obama’s failures. Of course the real culprit behind the foreign policy debacle in Libya and Egypt is not Romney but Obama. It was Obama’s State Department that failed to adequately secure the breached embassies ahead of 9/11, despite warnings of attacks; failed to deploy Marines to secure the premises; released from Gitmo a detainee involved in the attacks; fell all over themselves to issue apologies for Americans’ trampling on Muslim sensibilities; harassed the director of the trailer for making the video, Pastor Terry Jones for promoting it, and Google and YouTube for hosting it; and spent four years denying that America stands for any particular virtues that are superior to those of any other country. (Does Obama really think having a half-Indonesian sister so endears him to the Muslim world that his State Department doesn’t need to raise the security level a notch at Middle Eastern embassies every time 9/11 rolls around?) Mitt Romney’s Libya statement—like his 47% “gaffe” earlier this week—provided a badly needed kick in the pants to a nation accustomed to four years of Obama. Romney’s clarification of the situation in Libya and Egypt constituted the proverbial wakeup call: “The first step in realizing our country is weak under Obama is realizing we have a problem.” But who will Democrats blame Obama’s failures on for the next four years if Romney loses?

    Edited by staff.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:48 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1364

    Well put Mr. Lucas!!!!!

    Let the republican appologists weigh in citing every half-truth and inuendo in their limited quiver. Prepare for many numbers even they admit they don't understand.
    Stand by for quotes from the high conservative god..Limbaugh (99.9% wrong...proven!).

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:26 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    For me, focusing on the leader of the United States and his history is more pertinent. Maybe the following observations should be considered as published on line...Iam not sure if each point has merit, but at least it should be examined with careful attention before the election... Maybe Romney could change the direction Obama has unfortunately taken.

    First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
    First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
    First President to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the United States .
    First President to violate the War Powers Act.
    First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
    First President to defy a Federal Judges court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
    First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
    First President to spend a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later admit there was no such thing as shovel-ready jobs.
    First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
    First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
    First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with cr imi nal convictions.
    First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
    First President to terminate Americas ability to put a man in space.
    First President to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places.
    First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
    First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
    First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly speak-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
    First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state they are allowed to locate a factory.
    First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (Az, WI, OH, IN)
    First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
    First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
    First President to appoint 45 Czars to replace elected officials in his office.
    First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office.
    First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
    First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
    First President to coddle American enemies while alienating Americas allies.

    First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the U.S. Flag.
    First President to go on multiple global apology tours.


    http://factspy.net/barrack-obamas-failures/

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:24 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    .MR Kinderman stated...But it is about "now" that matters; it’s not about “then.” Right “now” we’re suffering through one of the greatest economic periods in the history of the Republic

    Exactly! These were not random thoughts as the author stated, they were rambling thoughts that lacked meaning to our current situation. One can learn from history, but only if real history is presented. The author focuses on cherry picking a tiny portion of history and ignores 90% of significant variables that influenced the outcome.

    Therefore, reading this particular letter was great entertainment but not any more meaningful than reading a bad comic book to guide America in it's economic journey.

    Lastly, extreme biased liberals like this author are so embarrassed over the results of the Obama Administration, they desperately seek to change to focus of discussion. Mr Kinderman is right, the election is only a few days ahead, and we must focus on current events instead of bizarre ramblings of a angry liberal white man like the author with extreme tunnel vision

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:43 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2349

    The funny thing about making lists like this, in the end they usually end up being close to equal. There's a lot of blame to go around, that's for sure. But it is about "now" that matters; it’s not about “then.” Right “now” we’re suffering through one of the greatest economic periods in the history of the Republic; it’s certainly the worst in my nearly 56 years of living. Right “now” we have a president running for his second term who can point to very little during his first term that would convince Americans he’s worthy of four more years. And right “now” this president offers nothing of substance as solutions for the troubles we still face “now.” All he can do right “now” is to try and convince us that his opponent is no good.

    We can do nothing about “then” – “then” is already done. “Now” is the only thing we can change. In my opinion, it’s time to make some substantive changes – “NOW.”

     

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