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Posted: Saturday, August 6, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 7:21 am, Sat Aug 6, 2011.

With the recent spate of articles blaming the Tea Party for polarizing the system, I would like to apply some critical thought.

First, the U.S. and the state are basically bankrupt. Second, the "current" system of Democrats and Republicans fighting like cats and dogs is what resulted in said bankruptcy. Third, the Tea Party and other Republicans are the ones who want to decrease spending. Fourth, if those who want to decrease spending are removed from the process (or were suddenly more pliant), then we would have had more spending than we actually had; that is to say, we would be even "more bankrupt," to coin an awkward phrase.

Thus, those who lament Republicans who are preventing state budget deals or Tea Party congressmen fighting for more cuts are actually advocating we should be even deeper in debt! Thank God for the conservative minority fighting to the end.

The recent budget deal means we will add $8 trillion in new debt over 10 years instead of $10 trillion; some cuts.

John Herrick

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66 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:34 am on Sun, Aug 14, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Sharon stated...Um No, I am absolutely not a tea partier..

    Sharon, it was obvious from your initial comment that you did not consider yourself a tea party person. I was simply pointing out that what you stated and the concerns you expressed were very simular to tea party people who I have listened to. I think you may have more in common with them than you perceive. I suggested you go to a tea party event to discover for yourself what it is all about instead of depending onw hat is reported in the media... you might be surprised.

     
  • S Stewart posted at 9:26 am on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.

    OregonSunshine Posts: 2

    Um No, I am absolutely not a tea partier. I think EVERYONE is at fault, that includes the public too. With all our scrutiny on the government we are not letting them do their job. I'm all for oversight so they aren't corrupt, but geesh, give them enough breathing space to actually work together and compromise on some of these issues. Everyone is so manic about the tiniest little thing they do now days, could you do your job sufficiently with that level of scrutiny? I'm not taking the blame from them, they make the final call, but us as the public and both sides of the media really should take a look at our role in this fiasco too.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:53 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Sharon... May I say... you sound like the average tea party person I have talked to. The tea party is tired of politics as usual and what you describe is just that. I think you should go to a tea party meeting and you might be surprised how many are skeptical and are demanding political change and that the best interest of the tax payer should be held at heart.

     
  • S Stewart posted at 3:38 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    OregonSunshine Posts: 2

    Regardless of who's Saying what in Politics (State or Federal, Republican or Democrat), I've yet to see a politician actually practice what they preach. These Republicans and Tea Partiests that you defend will be the first with their hand out if they need a little financial help, their state needs more funding then the others, or their pet projects must be paid for. I don't mean that the Democrats are blameless, I place the blame on everyone evenly.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:45 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    I agree, Balanced budget amendment would be a good start. In addition, repeal legislation like Obamacare, change tax code and reduce the overbearing regulations.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 7:57 pm on Wed, Aug 10, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Darrell, I think there is something very immoral about a people who spend money they do not have and send the debt to their children, grandchildren and down the line. To put a stop to this insane spending a balanced budget mandate is needed. The Republican House just last week attempted to include such a budget mandate and the Democrats went ballistic and with the help of the media made the Republicans look like the bad guys.
    In reality this is a battle between good and evil and the voters in 2012 will have the government they really want, the results of which will decide as to whether the pendulum will swing back in favor of sanity for the United States of America or continue in the direction of it's demise.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:34 pm on Wed, Aug 10, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403


    Bill stated...It is absolutely amazing to me that he has so many loyal followers.

    Bill, for me it is a symptom and evidence that United States has changed its character and enthusiasm for what led to United States to greatness. I try to imagine how the pendulum can be made to swing back .

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 11:33 am on Wed, Aug 10, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Darrell, only private sector jobs create wealth and increase jobs and revenue for taxes. The stimulus funds went to grow government by 25% which is actually a drain on our economy. This administration has rather made the private sector his enemy while creating myriads of restrictive regulations, business' are afraid to hire and expand as they do not know what is coming next. A classic example of biting the hand that feeds you! It is absolutely amazing to me that he has so many loyal followers.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Aug 10, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    Eric Barrow wrote; "Gary If you will remember the economy was showing definite signs of improvement during the second half of 2009 and into 2010 untill the teabaggers came along and since then we have barely seen any growth."


    Please explain to me Eric exactly what the the Tea Party did to cause our economic recovery to stall and reverse? If you will be so kind to explain, with facts, your reason for making such a serious accusation. I am obviously not aware of such facts and would appreciate your explanation.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:47 pm on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    posted at 4:22 pm on Tue, Aug 9, 2011...
    Yes I would credit stimulus money for saving jobs.

    Of course jobs were helped... unions were very very pleased with the stimulus. People who collected unemployment checks were very pleased.
    The problem is that private sector who creates new jobs was very unhappy and did not benefit much.

    Now that the money is gone, we see layoffs that were inevitable as few new jobs in the private sector resulted. Now all the left can do is play games blaming the rich who already pay more than their fair share in taxes and shift blame to wall street for the crash when in reality, the democrats policies were the real cause.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:22 pm on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1452

    The stock market creashed due to the bad mortgage debt. Wall Street was allowed to create bad stock bundles and then hedge bets against them. When they were found to be worthless the stock market crashed and the players on Wall Street cashed in those bets and walked away laughing. Then Bush passed TARP and bailed them out.

    Yes I would credit stimulus money for saving jobs.

    No I don't agree with Obama continuing Bush's Tax cuts I think it was a comprimise on his part and I do not agree with it. Those wealthy individuals who are supposed to be the job creaters are only watching out for thier own self interest and stockpiling money waiting for things to get better. When they are sure that they can invest those dollars and create more wealth they will but not before then. What do they care they got thiers.

    Once again I can only point to what S&P said was thier reasons for the downgrade and that was a gridlocked Washington and yes I think the republicans in general and the baggers in particular are responsible for that. With our goverment of checks and balance the only powers that a minority party has is compromise and obstructionism the right has chosen obstructionism and we will all get to pay the price.

    One question for you if you were a member of congress would you be compromising for the sake of the country or trying to tear it apart for your own political gains?

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 2:52 pm on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    I don't care what you call me Eric, but I would still like to know why the market tanked by 776 points back in 2008 when there were NO members of the "tea party" elected until 2010, and didn't start serving until January 2011??

    You contend that the economy was showing "definite signs of improvement during the second half of 2009 and into 2010 until the "teabaggers" came along."

    Are you crediting the 787 billion dollar stimulus plan for improving the economy, if so why did the unemployment rate go up and not down to the 8% rate Obama promised??

    Are you crediting President Obama for keeping the Bush tax cuts in place as reason for improving the economy while the unemployment rate climbed to 9.2%, was this in the Democrats playbook???

    What was S & P's rational back in April of this year that had them change their outlook on US Treasury securities to "negative" from "stable?" What piece of legislation did the House and "tea party" pass, after being in office for less than three months that caused the change to "negative" from "stable?"

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:59 pm on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Eric Barrow posted at 3:29 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011....Ignorance is bliss


    Eric must be in a constant state of blissfulness. Lucky man!

    Anyone who thinks the tea party has anything to do with current resluts of economic condition is definitely in bliss.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:30 pm on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1452

    Gary just heard that they liked to be called tea party not tea bag party. What in the world were they wearing all those tea bags for? maybe I should go back to rightwing nut. Nah for you I will stick with teabaggers can't imagine why thats so upsetting.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:43 am on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1452

    Gary If you will remember the economy was showing definite signs of improvement during the second half of 2009 and into 2010 untill the teabaggers came along and since then we have barely seen any growth. and by the way members of the republican party are called republicans members of the democratic party are called democrats I see nothing wrong with refering to members of the teabag coalition as teabaggers. They chose there stupid name not me

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 11:27 am on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Gallup Poll reports 77% of the American people say that the economy is "getting worse."
    55% call it "poor."

    Gallup also found that American's economic confidence plunged to -53 in the week ending Aug. 7th down from -43 two weeks ago and -34 a month ago to a level not seen since the recession days of March 2009.

    How's that "Hope and Change" working out for you, getting fired up and ready to go??

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:43 am on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506


    Democrats controlled the House, Senate and WH for two years (2009-2011), what did they accomplish besides adding trillions more to the debt, what did Obama do to help lower the debt and control spending?

    There were no "tea party" members to obstruct him, he could have passed any kind of debt reduction legislation he wanted, so what does he do instead, he sends a bill to the Senate, loaded with trillions more in spending and the Senate voted it down 97-0.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:14 am on Tue, Aug 9, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Eric, you little "teabagger", such a selective memory you have, on Sept. 29, 2008 the Dow plunged 778 points, (largest one day drop on record) and there wasn't a member of the "Tea Party" anywhere in sight.

    Maybe you weren't able to read back then, because you would have know that the House and Senate was in complete control by Democrats, and of course they would have never even thought of obstructing President Bush's efforts to govern now would the they???

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:18 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Well said, Eric Barrow (@3:29).

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:29 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1452

    Gary it's not so much the left I was talking about but the rating agency that downgraded our rating. I don't think they singled out the teabaggers, they were including other republicans. With control of the house and a large minority in the Senate they certainly are in position to play obstructionist and have been since the last election. I suppose you still haven't read the downgrade. Ignorance is bliss

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:22 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Gary... Your thinking is so sound,reasonable and accurate that it is difficult to imagine anyone would refute it. Great posts!

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:13 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    So Eric, "very large budget deficits and rising government indebtedness" isn't a red flag to Geitner back in April when S & P lowered long term rating from "stable" to "negative"?

    Idiots on the left want people to believe that the 44 "tea party" members in the House, who have been in office for only 7 months, were so powerful, that they were able to sway the votes of 500+ members of Congress and fool that brilliant, Harvard educated Barack Hussein Obama??

    Well yeah, he was hoodwinked alright, by his own ignorance and that of those on the left.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 8:50 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Newsflash, S & P has also downgraded government sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to AA+ from AAA.

    President Obama has not yet commented on these new downgrades, his last statement in regards to Friday's devastating economic news was, "must do better."

    If that doesn't rally the market from the today's latest 300 point drop, what will?


     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:49 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1452

    Gary that doesn't really change S&P's rational for the downgrade.

    "The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as
    America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,
    and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt
    ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in
    the debate over fiscal policy."

    "Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now
    assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012,
    remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority
    of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise
    revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act."

    I think Geitner's statement was correct in April, before the Teabaggers blew up any possibility of compromise that led to the downgrade

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 8:33 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Eric, perhaps you didn't read S & P's warning given to the US back in April 18, 2011 as reported by CNBC,
    "What we consider to be very large budget deficits and rising government indebtedness and the path to addressing these is not clear to us, we have revised our outlook on the long term rating to "negative" from "stable."

    What is even more troubling, Treasury Secretary Tim Geitner was asked on April 19th if there was any risk of the US losing it's AAA rating, he answered, "No risk, no risk of downgrade."

    Well after Friday's S & P's bombshell, we found out what many already already knew, this administration is completely clueless and President Obama is in way over his head.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:54 am on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Steve how do expect anyone to take you seriously when you post such vile and hateful comments??

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:40 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Robert Chapman wrote, "Obama did one good thing. He took thousands of Obama/Biden bumper stickers off the road though the "cash for clunkers" program."

    Robert Chapman: It sounds like you think there are not many Republicans driving clunkers.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:36 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Eric Barrow wrote, "Mr. Herrick, I suggest you read S&P's downgrade it's easy to find and fairly easy to understand and only a couple of pages long. It clearly states that the reason for the downgrade is gridlock in Washington and the rights unwillingness to raise revenues including letting Bush's tax cuts expire. The Dems and independents need to step up in 2012 before the extreme right ruins this country."

    Well stated. Thanks, Mr. Barrow.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 9:33 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Steve Schmidt: I miss the Jerry Kimono stories! When/where can I catch another chapter?

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 9:25 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    At the moment the Dow futures are down 265.00, just today the Israeli market spiraled down by 7% and the Asian markets are tanking as well. It seems we are headed for a double dip recession?
    It is a shame that Paul Ryan's budget proposal was not even considered as it proposed $6.2 trillion in budget cuts reducing the deficit by $4.4 Trillion in 10 years. Had his plan been put into effect our credit rating would not have been downgraded and there would be no stock market crash. On the other hand President Obama's lack of knowledge and leadership abilities is causing the economies of the whole world to crash. And the liberals continue to blame Republicans rather than clearing their minds and looking square into reality. The proof is in the pudding people!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:01 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Eric stated...The Dems and independents need to step up in 2012 before the extreme right ruins this country...
    Let's apply common sense to this perception.

    What is it that will ruin the country.
    01.Social security and medicare and other entitlements eat up over 50% of the tax budget .Dems resist cuts, republicans know it is inevitable and support it.
    2. Business and jobs are quickly leaving our country to seek business friendly environments thus decreasing tax revenue. Dems create the anti-business environment.
    3. Democrats want to increase spending.
    Since it is conservatives that want to help business and since democrats demonize business and successful CEO'S, it is obvious who is ruining the country. Their failed leader is Barack Obama and Harry Reid.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:29 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Look what happens when the let VP Biden out of his cage. He has the audacity to call Tea Party Patriots "jihadists". Why didn't he throw in Nazi's as well? What a real asset that moron is to our country. Insulting hard working Americans that are trying to stop the government from spending us into oblivion by equating them to the likes of the people who flew airliners into the twin towers killing thousands of innocent citizens. I wonder if your St. Obama put him up to it so he wouldn't have to take the heat if backlashed. Why did the LIBERAL media just swept that stupid statement uner the rug? Oh yeah, they are Obama stooges as well.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:16 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    UH OH, somebody woke up "no brain, no pain" Steve again. Go back to sleep Stevie boy, you belong in dreamland.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:06 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1452

    Mr. Herrick, I suggest you read S&P's downgrade it's easy to find and fairly easy to understand and only a couple of pages long. It clearly states that the reason for the downgrade is gridlock in Washington and the rights unwillingness to raise revenues including letting Bush's tax cuts expire. The Dems and independents need to step up in 2012 before the extreme right ruins this country.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:44 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Gary... It looks like Steve is demonstrating the attitude and civility that reasonable people must contend with when dealing with the left. The Tea party which has presented sound reasonable policies couldn't possibly negotiate with people like Steve? Can you imagine sitting across the table and making an offer to someone like Steve. The animosity and unreasonable perceptions would be impossible to penetrate. I think the only solution is to wait until November, 2012 for resolution.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:23 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Ms Bobin, I would take care comparing Bobbi Chapman to a baboon lest the baboons get a lawyer and sue you for slander.

    Gary, when the teabaggers stop sodomizing the corpses of decency and bipartisanship and our national reputation, then we can talk about civility. Until that time, I have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to rhetorical necrophilia.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:49 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Obama did one good thing. He took thousands of Obama/Biden bumper stickers off the road though the "cash for clunkers" program. Even that fiasco cost American taxpayers millions of dollars digging the "hole" even deeper. Obama couldn't produce and balance a budget for a hot dog stand.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:40 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mike stated...think this whole debt thing points out the problem that occurs when someone max's out their (our) credit card then requires someone else to be the adult and pay it off.

    Mike... couldn't agree more... good point! Unfortunately for people between age 10 and 40, they are the ones who will suffer financially. I hope the younger voters will understand what Obama is doing and vote for someone more fiscally responsible.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:32 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    JOANNE, apparently you haven't researched Obama's background, He never had a REAL job. Never had to account to anyone except his government sponsors. Was an average student in college and doesn't possess the ability to lead a thirsty horse to water. How he became President is pretty well known, his position was bought and paid for by the , likes of George Soros, et al, who are now pulling his puppet strings. .

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:31 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mike Adams posted at 10:34 am on Sun, Aug 7, 2011...Are the republicans losing their edge? I thought that President Obama TRIPLED the debt in only 8 months. Now a newer accounting

    Humm... I think it is our country that is losing it's edge and advantage. Regardless of what number is correct, Obama has squandered a mountain high stack of money on useless endeavors. It is what you would expect from a man who has never worked in the private sector and surrounds himself with advisers who have similar experience to himself. The blind is leading the blind.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:24 pm on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    JOANNE, you are sadly mistaken the word "Baffoon" is a phonetic spelling of BUFFOON because I figured neither you or Mr.Chaney could recognize the difference. Again with the slams with absolutely NO substance. Yep, you and Mr.Chaney are certainly cut from the same cloth if not related. You shoud really spend more time researching your posts instead of only railing on grammar, sentence structure, typos and spelling.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:34 am on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1337

    Are the republicans losing their edge? I thought that President Obama TRIPLED the debt in only 8 months. Now a newer accounting, according to a poster here, is that he has doubled the debt in 5 years. Hmmm. Things seem to be going his way.

    I think this whole debt thing points out the problem that occurs when someone max's out their (our) credit card then requires someone else to be the adult and pay it off.

    In 2003, I stated that American's will tire of the two wars in the middle east thing. That there would be no way out, and it will just lead to failure and a lot of needless deaths of American service men (and women).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:22 am on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "JOANNE BOBIN, I am so impressed that you were able to sit in on the conversations between Bush & Cheney. Apparently you ARE the real important person you want people to believe you are."

    Actually, Mr. Chapman, if you had not spent the 8 years of the farcical Bush Administration with your nose glued to GWB's bum, you would have known who the "President" really was. Misstatement on my part - I doubt Bush was even in the room when Cheney made all the decisions.

    GWB was an invention of HW Bush and his cronies, of which Cheney was one. How else does a C legacy student at Yale, failed "oil man" and minor partner in a professional baseball team, not to mention a successful alcoholic and drug addict, climb to the governorship of Texas and then the presidency of the US? How dare he tarnish HW's record as a WWII hero, ambassador, CIA Director and VP?

    No wonder Dick and Liz Cheney so ferociously defended the Bush...oops, Cheney administration, policies last year and GWB has been no where in sight - except a random photo at a ball game. He probably couldn't tell anyone a single thing about his presidency because he spent 1/3 or it "clearing brush" on his ranch and the rest being a public "baffoon." Busy work for a minor player.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:11 am on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    According to urban dictionary a baffoon is an obnoxious oafish person.

    The dictionary could be wrong though. In the spirit in which Joanne made her
    last post, Maybe baffoon is a cross between Bobin and Monsoon. After all, her participation brings a storm and creates a wet blanket to the thread.

    I think we have not discovered a new species... just a better and more accurate term. to describe certain bloggers. I wonder what a barfoon is? Maybe that is a blogger who reads too many of joannes posts. I wonder what an Assfoon is...I think it is someone who appreciates her posts.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:28 am on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Hah! Baffoon? Is that a cross between a baboon and a buffoon?

    I declare! Mr. Chapman has discovered a new species.... And has no doubt named it after himself.....!!

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:53 am on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Ahhh, Mr, Chaney, you never cease to validate yourself as a first class baffoon. Your insignificance must be a constanf source of frustration for you. Your obvious hatred for everyone that has figured out how to be successful is apparent in every post. Sad you never achieved success. Oh well, better you than me.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:47 am on Sun, Aug 7, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    First downgrade in our nations history, congratulations Mr. President, another crowning achievement for your failed administration.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 11:01 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Mr. Chapman, I thought I was JoAnne Bobin? Are you even aware of whom you are referring to any more? Get back on those meds with that T-Bird chaser and you will be all better tomorrow. Or maybe the W$R could toss in a good $7 bottle of their best house wine?LOL

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:19 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1904

    See Darrell, that's why I could never be a politician, my ideas would actually work.

    Steve, I think the Vorlon/Shadow is very appropriate. The two long time powers were simply trying to do what they thought was best to make the universe strongest. Both were very aggressive in doing what they thought was best. Just as the Dems and Reps are doing (I'm not going to say which is which). And, if you know the show, just like the alliance did, we need to kick the old establishments to the curb and find new fresh ideas that are not tainted by decades of bitterness.

    I would love to see about ten parties splitting the spectrum of ideologies. I also would love to see on every presidential ticket every candidate MUST have a VP candidate who is from the opposite side of the spectrum. One of the main benefit of this is that everyone who even thinks they may want to run would have to behave civilly and even develop real friendships, which should encourage more cooperation, with those across the board.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:40 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Bill stated...It is sad indeed as we still have all the fundamentals to continue being the world leader among nations, we just don't have the right people in place to manage America's economy properly.
    Bill... I sincerely hope you are right and that it will be that simple to turn it around. You are more optimistic than I. If you take into account the deterioration of our educational system and moral fiber, as well as the massive rules and regulations that strangle our economic engine, I'm not convinced that good leadership will help any longer. I very much wish to be wrong in my perception. Any thoughts?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:27 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Kevin stated...I have said it before but if I had the power there would be an across the board tax minimum put in place of no less than 10%. No one, not the rich or poor or corporations, would have tax breaks dropping them below the 10% range for their salaries ( great idea)

    I agree with Kevin...all people should have to pay a minimum into the tax system. In addition, social aid should not be indexed to the number of children in your family. Maybe full benefits for the first two children only, then any further children should be at the expense of the citizen. In addition, business subsidies should be abolished from the Federal level and shifted to the state if they choose to do so.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:07 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Come on now Steve, using "teabagging" and "sodomized" in your post, did you think they were needed for shock value, in reality, it lessons the effect, makes your comments seem silly and juvenile.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:36 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    That said, I really, really like the Vorlon/Shadow analogy. You know, I keep on wanting to write you off as a Jerry Kimono style partisan hack and you keep on surprising me.

    My wife made me laugh the other morning when she looked up from her paper and said "I think the Teabaggers are the Reavers".

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:32 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Kevin, don't talk to me about bipartisanship.

    The GOP murdered bipartisanship and the Tea Party sodomized its corpse.

     
  • Bill Stamos posted at 5:29 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    skilos Posts: 93

    How is it possible that a reasonable administration would deliberately double their nations debt in just 5 years. Am sad to say that President Obama has absolutely no management or leadership skills. It is sad indeed as we still have all the fundamentals to continue being the world leader among nations, we just don't have the right people in place to manage America's economy properly.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 4:17 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1904

    How trustworthy is a man who calls a group of people his "friends" then endorses a commercial of them pushing old people off a cliff? Every time I hear him say "my friends" referring to the republicans I wonder if he even knows what the word "friend" means.

    But I guess it is par for the course in Washington. The two parties are present day Vorlons and Shadows (go ahead and google that referance).

    Vorlon Quote:“Understanding is a three-edged sword; there is your side, there is the other side, and then there is the truth.”

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:09 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So how many of you LIBERAL mindless sheep believe Obama doesn't own America;s situation after being President for 2-1/2 years? Sooner or later, he has to own up to situations being HIS fault either through causing them or not mending them. He had both the House AND the Senate in his back pocket for almost two years and managed to do nothing except plunge America deeper in debt and take over car manufacturer, insurers and banks. Oh, but wait!! AFTER he get elected for the next four years, he will fulfill all his promises and make it all better. Yeah, right. Anyone want to buy some cheap swampland in Florida?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:59 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1904

    About the 4 trillion cut

    http://www.portfolio.com/business-news/2011/04/13/obama-lays-out-plan-to-cut-deficit-by-4-trillion-dollars/

    How come every time I hear Obama speak I hear echos of him calling for transparency and bi-partisan cooperation that he flushed down the toilet as soon as he got in office?

    Sure, Obama wanted 4 trillion cut, republicans said 6+trillion. IF, and that is a big if, the government would control it's spending, then I would support higher taxes for the rich. But as it is the government is like that employee who blows through his paycheck in the first couple days on beer and chips and returns to the boss asking for more money cause he can't live on his current salary. (this is true for BOTH parties)

    I have said it before but if I had the power there would be an across the board tax minimum put in place of no less than 10%. No one, not the rich or poor or corporations, would have tax breaks dropping them below the 10% range for their salaries. Close the loopholes and let everyone pay an equal amount as a percent of their earnings.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:52 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So now Obama lies and says the economy is getting better, the worse is behind us and he has created the millions of jobs like he promised and the LIBERAL morons continue to drool and idolize him. His lies are catching up with him. I especially like the one about how sad he was when he was at his mothers side as she was laying in bed dying of cancer with no insurance. Liberal stooges swallowed that one hook, line and sinker. Facts are he hadn't seen his mother for at least 5 months BEFORE she died and she was covered by insurance through her employer, only owing the standard co-pays like most insured. Nice little sob story LIE to help shove the abysmal Obamacare down our throats

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:27 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    STEVE SCHMIDT, good grief, do you read what you type BEFORE you push the post comment button? Ya gotta start reading something besides Marvel comics.
    JOANNE BOBIN, I am so impressed that you were able to sit in on the conversations between Bush & Cheney. Apparently you ARE the real important person you want people to believe you are.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:00 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Obama offered to cut $4 trillion which would have almost certainly ...

    Until Obama puts it in writing, it is fantasy.... an illusion... Obama did not offer anything. He only "verbally discussed possibilities. A responsible president would have put it in writing specifying what cuts would be locked in stone that he would not veto. Even the final deal had few immediate cuts. Most of Obama's cuts were cowardly ( not coward) and would only take place after the election. Just like Obamacare... he is all talk and no responsible action. The republicans were pressured and gave into Obama to delay the cuts until most of them will be out of office... some cuts.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:23 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Obama offered to cut $4 trillion which would have almost certainly maintained our credit rating and the Teabag Taliban rejected it which just goes to show that this is all about partisan politics and has nothing to do with debt.

    Of course, Barack Obama could have said that the Earth was round, the sun rises in the morning and that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the nut jobs in the Tea Party would have called him a liar.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:02 pm on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    S&P is definitely giving the US a message - get rid of the idealistic saboteurs in Congress. They are giving you a bad name and a bad credit rating and not accomplishing anything but to give the main stream Republicans agita.

    Too bad S&P didn't do this during the Bush Administration when he committed the US to two wars for which he had no funds to pay, and a Medicare Prescription plan and tax cuts unpaid for also. But the puppet master, Cheney, told W to "forge on - don't worry, we'll leave this mess to the next administration." But the American public (except in Lodi) still knows "who dunnit."

    No wonder no one has seen hide-nor-hair of Mr. Bush in the last 3 years. He's too busy keeping his head down.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:49 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Somebody has to stop BO and his liberal spenders. Even in this depressed economy, income taxes revenues rose by 7% over last year, problem is the government spending rose 11%. Indeed, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:30 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Maybe the Tea Party should be called “ the party poopers”...

    All they (conservatives and Tea Party) want to do is do is stop the spenders from having their fun (party).. their power... and behave in a more fiscally responsible way.
    The Spenders derive their power from doling out the tax revenue and want business as usual. They resent anyone who wants to change what they have become accustomed to.

    Good letter John.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 4:40 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    S & P has lowered our credit ranting from AAA to AA+, first such decline in our nations history.

     

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