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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:00 am

It continues to amaze me that a publication so strong in local news could be so weak in national news. When it comes to what’s happening in Washington, D.C., your paper is like a little girl tagging behind her big hero-brother — willing to parrot whatever he happens to say regardless of its veracity.

You seem to absolve yourself of responsibility when a news service such as the Associated Press has anything to say; you’ll print it, whether it makes sense or not.

You printed an ugly cartoon not long ago celebrating the departure of Michelle Bachman from the sordid world of politics and let the so-called “artist” get away with a thoughtless wisecrack: “Now she can’t do any more harm.”

The whole thing was highly offensive and incredibly bad taste, mostly because she has done no harm whatsoever to our country. In fact she has been quite helpful in championing the brilliance of our constitution. Her voice has been quite noble in standing up for the rule of law and asking solid questions of our foreign-exchange-student-chief-executive. She would ask questions like “Why didn’t you have the courage to send aid to prevent the murder of four Americans after they begged for help at Benghazi?” “Where did you get off having the IRS focus on investigating your enemies?” “If the IRS doesn’t report to you, who ‘is’ in charge?” and “Why did you sell loads of guns and ammunition to Mexican gangsters and then turn around and try to curtail gun ownership in the U.S.?”

Biden claims you guys didn’t know. No one believes you’re that stupid. Incompetent obviously, but not stupid.

But my biggest disappointment in your paper is when you willingly let the Democrats dictate to you the angle of the NSA scandal story. It’s not about the whistle-blower, it’s really about NSA and its outrageous actions against the American public. That is what you should be writing about regardless of the junk being sent to you by the AP and the New York Times.

Get tough with your national journalism. Tell the real story.

Don Van Noy


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  • Michael Hartung posted at 7:40 am on Sat, Jun 29, 2013.

    mhartung Posts: 25

    I am glad I entertained a few of you with my comments. Some of you understand what I was saying. The LNS should always be a conduit for news first, and entitled to lean a certain way, but the overwhelming right leaning columnists and editorials are filled with too much hate and anger. The good news here is that I have faith in the city as that it looks like we do have some educated people that read and don't just watch Fox noise and listen to the blowhards on radio.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:14 pm on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin suggested websites such as ABC and CNN are "nut-job conspiracy websites" so I should run?

    Huh? [huh]

    P.S. If the cognitive dissonance wasn't so readily available I wouldn't have any desire to participate in this daily festival of ignorance.

  • Ed Walters posted at 6:29 pm on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 638

    Joanne: In the long run I suppose your correct and many people are happy, some are very disappointed. As I stated before, there seems to be a disagreement between the peoples vote and constitutionality, strange though this didn`t come up many years ago, about the time of slavery. You wrong there, all blonds is dumb, since they started off a different color. There seems to be a stretch between Domestic Partners and getting married. Partners had the same benefits, I suppose a gold band and a piece of paper make all the difference. Concerning pre marital sex, you state it is the result of Satan. Tell me Joanne, when you were young, or perhaps you still do, did you like me ever do anything in the back seat of an old Chevy, I must admit Satan was not on my mind, something called raging hormones were calling the shots. Talk about getting lucky. OK, thanks for your point of view, if it came up for a vote, you know which way I would go, I wouldn`t. To improve my standings with you I`ll get a low rider. Stay cool and no hard feeling, just words that don`t really mean a thing.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:29 pm on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ed, Ed, Ed...slow down. How many times does one have to say that just because "we voted" to disallow same-sex marriage it means it should be the law of the land.

    We could just as easily vote to re-institute slavery, or deny all white men the right to vote, or deny all blonde's from taking positions of power (because we know they're all dumb, right?).

    It is a matter of constitutionality - not the people's will!!

    You can vote all day long and it still won't mean a thing if you are denying others equal access and/or discriminating against a certain class of people.

    How 'bout we vote to force all single, pregnant women to have an abortion? Or vote that all single women and men must be celibate or face death by stoning? After all, pre or extra-marital sex is prohibited by many religions and the results are certainly Satan's spawn.

    As for Domestic Partnerships - you DO KNOW that OPPOSITE sex couples can also enter into a domestic partnership if they don't desire to get married but want many of the benefits (healthcare - in California) and a certain amount of commitment, right?

    Time to get off your high horse about the Supreme Court.

    Did you agree with the ruling on the Voting Rights Act? Texas certainly did. They immediately announced they were enacting the strict voter ID law and redistricting that was previously found to be discriminatory. They plan to manipulate voting to ONLY benefit the Republican party in Texas and to heck with anyone who opposes them.

    Texans might as well be living in Iran - their votes will mean as much.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:25 pm on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    I know I'm surprised you're still here, leave while you can. Run Forest run.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:12 pm on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Gosh darn those "nut-job conspiracy websites" like


  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:54 am on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    appears you struck a nerve

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:46 am on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm not sure which ones Andrew doesn't like. And most of these stories are only carried on nut-job conspiracy websites, anyway, with absolutely no proof presented that any of these stories happened or ever will happen.

    Does he want those 1.5 million illegals back?

    Are those military personnel assigned to Colombian military bases (NOT 7 US MILITARY BASES) going to put a kink in the lucrative cocaine business here in the US?


  • Ed Walters posted at 11:38 am on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 638

    Walter: counter to your always on the money posts, your post of the 27th let you down when you state that who ever the person is you are talking about is mad since by a count of another 5/4 vote he is upset, well Walter he is not the only one and I would think millions of other people follow in his footsteps. You go on to state that equality for all is not really his thing, however the vote of the people is another issue and has been overturned twice by 9 blind mice who call themselves the Supremes. All with a different interpretation of the vote by the populous.

    Freddie Mercury mentioned in one of his songs that "Nothing really matters to me" I am beginning to follow in his foot steps, music wise that is concerning the government, starting at the city level all the way to that now tarnished place of government located at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, I have the right to remain silent and also have the right to not vote since a group who is not happy with the outcome will protest and attempt to have the vote overturned. Now that Domestic Partners, I mean people of the same sex have scored a victory, is Roe v Wade next? You Know

  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:50 am on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    Again evil genius how does he do all things without being detected is he like invisible or something. I say get out why you can the sky is surely falling.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:06 am on Fri, Jun 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Among other things since becoming president, Barack Obama has...

    Signed the NDAA into law – making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.

    Initiated, and personally oversees a ‘Secret Kill List’.

    Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.

    Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.

    Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.

    Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.

    Maintained a presence in Iraq even after “ending” the war.

    Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.

    Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.

    Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.

    Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.

    Opened a military base in Chile.

    Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan.

    Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.

    Did a TV commercial promoting “clean coal”.

    Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.

    Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.

    Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants.

    Continued Bush’s rendition program.

    Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.

  • John Lucas posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730


  • Mike Adams posted at 6:10 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1573

    Mr. Hartung: A very good evaluation of the LNS and most of it's conservative post participants. A conservative who disagrees is not a bad person and many here post thoughtful opinions here daily. Unfortunately, many also resort to calling the president names or implying that (the now debunked) idea that President Obama was born somewhere else, or he's a communist (or socialist). Most of the times on matters that concern the Constitution, they either selectively edit or have not taken the time to review it before passing on an opinion. One of them here just copies and pastes everything, with absolutely no regard for even this most fundamental rule of writing.

    The several times a month that the LNS publishes another screed filled with outrage about our president, or those who support him is tough to take, especially since they make no effort to hide it.

  • Walter Chang posted at 5:31 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1191

    "the enemy... arsenal... unfettered attack"

    Folks, please excuse the...

    Archconservative/Retrogressive "Christian" blogger's warmongering.

    He's upset today.

    The Supreme Court let him down. Again.

    Equality for all is not really his thing!!

    You know???


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:36 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Sorry, I still think you are incorrect, Mr. Kinderman.

    If you take it from this point on, the meaning is clear - that he wishes the LNS to stop printing things that "rip..the current administration and everything the right DOES NOT believe in."

    Now, if he stated he wished they would stop printing everything the right DOES believe in, I would agree with you.

    Otherwise, yes, you are absolutely correct about having access to both the left, right, middle or otherwise opinions. I think Mr. Hartung was objecting mainly to the hatefulness conveyed by certain LTE's and commentary from people on the right (and left at times).

  • Ed Walters posted at 2:30 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 638

    Joanne: You are correct when you state that the LNS does a good job of reporting the local news. And could be the reason that nation news concerning President Barry is not. Like many others I found this information on line, concerning Chicago and the 7 murders and 40 shooting in just the last week-end. Either paper of local interests had a word about Dodge City, other wise known as Chicago. Hard to argue with the facts, In between drugs and gangs, Chicago is a mecca to self implode.

    The Record in Stockton ran an issue concerning Trayvon Martin, I was surprise to see what they allowed into print. Calling George Zimmerman, and I quote, a "creepy-ass cracker" slang term for a white person. They printed it, now lets see how up to task the LNS is, or will they bail out.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:28 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    I was very careful to read and understand what Mr. Hartung wrote:

    “You should also stop printing all of the hateful remarks/opinions toward that you print almost every day ripping the current administration (sic) ‘and’ anything the right does not believe in.”

    The conjunction “and” in single quotes separates his final thought from the former; I take it to mean “in addition to.” I therefore stand by my editing as well my analysis of his meaning. Of course if he would care to clarify his remarks, I’d be happy to reconsider my comments. Yet even if I am to be corrected, Mr. Hartung’s ideas as to how a newspaper should be run are what I would expect from a liberal/progressive. If every edition of the News-Sentinel contained only left-leaning reporting and a heavy slant to the left insofar as their opinions are concerned, he’d be quite happy.

    Me? I like to know what the opposition is thinking even if it’s only rarely that I agree. Without knowing what the enemy has in their “intellectual” arsenal leaves me open to unfettered attack, a very uncomfortable position to be in to say the least.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:22 pm on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Ms Bobn
    You are absolutely right...again.
    This is a community paper that appears to be struggling and to have it ignore its principle function of serving the varied community interests to focus on being just another political hack job that might lose subscribers to satisfy the few that can't get enough Obama bashing is really short sighted. I as well utilize many other sources for national news and rely on the LNS for the local ads, community events and local news. Mr Van Noy should get himsef a computer where he would have all kinds of access to the likes of Infowars for his particular news diet.

  • John Lucas posted at 11:47 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:13 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think the LNS does a very good job reporting on issues of local interest in the areas of politics, education, agriculture, social events, etc., and their journalists are unbiased in their reporting. I think that is the ACTUAL JOB of a small-town, local paper.

    The fact that they also include articles of state and national interest from the AP is just added fluff (for me) since I use many other sources that cover these two areas. I really don't see what Mr. Van Noy's problem is, to tell you the truth. And he seems to be getting all of his opinions from FOX News anyway!

    Does he really expect the LNS journalists to cover state and national news?

    Subscribing to a wire service is pricey enough without having to send local reporters out far and wide to get these stories.

    Besides, the LNS often writes their own editorials on many topics that present the views of the paper's management and Editor(s).

    Calm down, Mr. Van Noy. Your favorite news source isn't going away any time soon.

    And you might even want to expand your horizons on the newsfront - FYI - it's been disclosed that the IRS acted completely independently AND investigated many liberal and progressive organizations seeking tax-exempt status - and even turned a couple down!

  • Doug Chaney posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Mr. Kinderman, it is not that this paper should stop printing anything either the left nor the right believes in, but it should stop printing anything that our politicians and the mainstream media put their own spin on to make the issue look like an apple when indeed it is a lemon.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    In today's paper, with four great entertaining articles from the city of Galt concerning the great insider information gathered by the Galt reporter on page two, there's not even any room left for any local Lodi news, more or less than a juicy tidbits from the mainstream media going on across this country. I only wish that the Sentinel had a reporter that was able to penetrate Lodi City hall and glean some of that inside information from some of those corrupt City Council members. Is it that this newspaper is afraid of three certain members of this council for some reason? Hopefully the San Francisco Chronicle, that the Sentinel seems to have partnered with, will put his faltering newspaper out of its misery. Then perhaps the Stockton record could publish here in Lodi and bring in another inside reporter like Jeff Hood a few years back and concentrate on some of the corruption and shenanigans created by not only City Council, but those department leaders, staff, past downtown business partnership, planning commission and some of the good old boy boards of directors in this God forsaken little town.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:49 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    M. Kinderman wrote: "Mr. Hartung suggests that this newspaper should “stop printing . . . anything the right does not believe in.”

    I think you went a little overboard with your editing of Mr. Hartung's comment, Mr. Kinderman, and turned it into something he DIDN'T say, which seems to be an objection to opinions and comments (presumably LTE's, Editorials & right wing commenters) that "rip" the administration AND anything else right-wingers don't believe in.

    But now that I read and re-read your version, you have him saying that the LNS should only print right-wing opinions, NOT left wing opinions as you suggest.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mr. Hartung suggests that this newspaper should “stop printing . . . anything the right does not believe in.”

    Really? This is how Mr. Hartung seriously believes a newspaper is supposed to operate - to print only those things the left believes in? As far as stopping hateful remarks/opinions by anyone ripping any administration is concerned, he should understand that there are no laws against anyone being hateful, unless of course someone commits a crime based upon their hatred toward someone in a so-called protected class. It’s a valid emotion just as much as being loving is; without either human beings would be out of balance.

    There’s very little that I agree with insofar as the Obama administration is concerned - big surprise there, huh? As a result, I’ve offered for printing and publishing in this newspaper quite a few pieces and comments that have resulted in some very hateful and nasty remarks from those who disagree with me. But as far as this forum is concerned, so long as those remarks comply with the stated “Rules of Conduct,” there should be no problem. Sadly there are those on the left who actually believe that simply disagreeing with Obama or his supporters is prima facie evidence of racism, all manner of phobias and being the most hateful and worthless people on the planet.

    Would you rather I be prohibited from being heard here Mr. Hartung? Please let me know because I’d like for you to present evidence that would support such an action on the part of the administrators of this newspaper. But I must let you know up front that neither you nor anyone else is going to silence me; and I’m not easily intimidated either.

    I find your attitude to be amusing, quite amusing at that.

  • John Lucas posted at 7:28 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Conservative and facts = Oil and water

  • John Lucas posted at 7:26 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Though I think we are on the same side of the political street I must disagree with this statement:

    the Lodi News Sentinel is the most right wing leaning rag I have ever read

    It is definitely right of center but our side is heard in the LTE's and sometimes in the columns. The fight is always on on these forums.

    The fact that the letter writer thinks Michele Bachman is credible reflects the insanity of the right. The letter writer obviously has ingested many hours of Fox News and does not even know he is brainwashed. He lives in a fantasy world created by the corporate elite with the sole purpose of electing their stooges to represent the corporate interests. It is amazing that they get on their knees and bow to the very people who are sticking a knife in their back.

  • Michael Hartung posted at 6:56 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    mhartung Posts: 25

    Oh come on now, the Lodi News Sentinel is the most right wing leaning rag I have ever read. The editorial cartoons taking cheap shots at the president of the United States are disgusting. Michelle Bachman is a whack job and one of the reasons why congress is a joke. What should happen is that this paper stop putting their right wing Fox nut job twist on the real issues. You should also stop printing all of the hateful remarks/opinions toward that you print almost every day ripping the current adminstration and anything the right does not believe in. All you do is feed the undeducated in this town.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:23 am on Thu, Jun 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "asking solid questions of our foreign-exchange-student-chief-executive."

    I think this sentence sums up the stance of the letter writer. In other words, he would like the Lodi News Sentinel to print HIS (and apparently the poor misguided Michelle Bachman) version of the news rather than the facts.


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