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Posted: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 12:00 am

I have a question for Lodi. My ex-husband and I have been hit very hard because of the recession. We lost everything; the bank stole our home, our retirement cut in half.

He is an operating engineer in the Local 3 and has not worked for four years, and his unemployment was cut early in December. We are now homeless. We have a car, so at least we have that. We have joined forces to try to recover from all this. We’ve done it before.

Obviously we are not alone here in Lodi. I see many homeless, and often those homeless are veterans. They try to find a place to stay, but all too often they are run off by the police. I realize many citizens fear them or just don’t want to see them, but we are all humans. It costs us all the income we can get to just live, and we have more than most, although it’s below poverty level. He’s applied for 1,000-plus jobs. I have a small business.

So my question to Lodi and its citizens is this: With all the churches in this town, why isn’t there more compassion for the homeless? The Salvation Army is hardly help when it’s once a week for food. I’ve seen towns save money by housing the homeless. Lodi is not a poor town, so I can only assume it’s because people are clueless or not really living a Godly life.

So again I ask: Why aren’t the city or churches reaching out to those of us who need it the most?

Candy Warmuth

Lodi

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49 comments:

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:54 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    "Rock and roll" was used as an example of a double entendre (much tamer) to illustrate frequently used words that can knowingly and unknowingly have a Websters meaning and a cult or exclusive groups meaning.

    And there are many liberals, like conservatives, that don't know the meanings you allude to as well. You only wish liberals could be singled out as intentionally using "Tea Bagger" not as the Tea Party itself has used the term (see Mr Doyle's Sat 11:58 & 12:04 posts).
    More later.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:21 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    "The hateful majority come from the far left who at every turn must try to convince the lesser informed among us that they (liberals) are all so compassionate and inclusive, when in reality they're nothing of the kind. Liberalism by definition is what's tearing this country apart."

    And if liberals are so bad, why can't the GOP gather any minority votes or the votes of anyone in lower socioeconomic strata? Could it be the GOP push for "voter ID"? The wholesale removal of individuals with certain names from the voter rolls? Laws supported by the GOP to stop everyone with brown skin or speaks with a Spanish accent and make them prove their citizenship? Maybe 50 years of bills and legislation that keep minorities, women, and the poor down?

    I know, maybe the GOP offers them nothing at all except continual systematic disenfranchisement. Well, it's not my job to tell the GOP what it's doing wrong. When the last GOP candidate ever elected occurs in 2024, they'll look back and wonder "where did it all go wrong?

     
  • Kenneth Huntley posted at 3:26 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Ken Huntley Posts: 36

    There's a lot of resources given to people in need, if they seek assistance from a church that truly has an open arms policy. I'm not necessarily saying prayers is the answer but it does work in God's kingdom. There are some wonderful programs and affiliations that Gravity Church has networked with to help out people in need

    If people truly want help, the doors to the church are opened and there will be someone there to listen and help.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 12:39 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    Again, the teabagger term was originated by the group themselves, full well knowing the meaning, and used in a derogatory metaphor aimed at the president. Take it up with them, Kinderman.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 12:12 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 136

    In community out reach group at my temple we see many documentary to help understand reason for poor in the United States and other country to see the compasion we need. The Sikh community most have been very success in United States so we must learn to find reason for continue poverty in many places here to understand and help.

    People can use the google to find documentary but shockin the movie we view many weeks past was call Rich Hill about town in the Misouri. My eyes were brought to shame and very sadness that in United States have people live bad as India and the other poor countries I have lived.

    As for people who make the believe poor just lazy and love the welfare you must see movie. Very very sad and many tears for the people there who have not the hope for American dreams.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:09 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    MR Kinderman
    Please catch up and read Mr Doyles comments below on the name.
    The term "Tea Bagger" is used so as not to mistakenly convey any respect which might be derived by using the name "Tea Party" and possibly add any dignity to it as a result.

    The sexual connotation you've come up with isn't known by many liberals either. That's your Fox news and Limbaugh hate commentaries directing your emotionalism. My use of the term is strictly because I have litle respect for the Tea Party organizations and I don't wish to convey in any way that they have any legitimacy in my eyes as to their stated purposes or actual actions. They have become a hate group in my eyes. and little more

    And please "rock and roll" is an illustration (tame) of a double entendre you were raising as an off topic issue.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:43 am on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Gee Mr. Heuer, when I have I ever written "rock and roll" on this forum?

    But let's not be so naïve, shall we? The TEA Party's detractors started using the term "tea bagging; tea bagger, etc.," knowing full well what it means. Considering that most members of the party are conservative Americans, most of whom don't know what the term actually means, liberals having been having a lot of fun at their expense. Yet all it reveals to me is just how disgusting some people can be - and it's not the TEA Party. The hateful majority come from the far left who at every turn must try to convince the lesser informed among us that they (liberals) are all so compassionate and inclusive, when in reality they're nothing of the kind. Liberalism by definition is what's tearing this country apart.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    [thumbup]
    Mike
    Yeah I remember the telephone books. What a farce.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:02 am on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    [thumbup]
    Thank you Mr Doyle, great post. You regularly provide great and valuable insight into many issues here

    I have wondered also where all these able bodied welfare recipients were. We have been steadily attacking the system and the recipients for so long that I can only guess where that remaining collection of able bodied recipients might be hiding. If you think its inconvenient for a little paper work to buy a gun you should experience the inconvenience of signing up for welfare. If you don't like government intrusion you should experience the intrusion up close and personal while on welfae.

    And that it might be a liberal plot to provide welfare to gain votes totally misses the fact that conservatives wind up down and out as well and look for temporary relief. I know conservatives that have received welfare. When jobs are offered long lines usually form from people looking for work. The lines are always longer then the jobs being offered.

    To blindly say those receiving benefits are "moochers" and the benefits somehow creates dependencies that garner liberal votes is a bold face fallacy. Those most likely to vote for a party that supports assistance are those that directly come into contact with the unfortunate and want to help. They are the grateful ones and appreciate any political party who will support the needy. You know, the people that care.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 1:17 am on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 362

    Perhaps I am naive, M, when it comes to my community. But, the people I know aren't like what you describe. If they were, I wouldn't be around them. And, no, I have never attended any churches here in Lodi and I don't go out to eat at the local diners, and I have no desire to attend a Tea Party meeting. I am sad to hear that these kind of conversations are going on.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:50 pm on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1379

    "The use of "Teabagger" is meant to conjure thoughts of what has come to be known as "tea bagging," a sexual activity engaged in by mostly homosexuals. For those who don't have a clue, just look it up. I won't dishonor this forum by describing it here."
    ... but you just did!

    Please, no porn. (#2)

    Mr. Kinderman thinks any social ill can be cured by thumbing through the telephone book, like kids who don't have a place to stay, or people that go hungry, etc. and has stated that since no children in Lodi go to school without the basic essentials of survival like a roof or breakfast and he knows this because he hasn't seen any children with signs around their neck saying they sleep in cars and their last meal was lunch at school on Friday.

    Hhhmmmm... no place to stay I would think would mean no telephone book either.
    Will we now hear about how all the homeless everywhere in the country have laptops and internet access and smart phones? How they wear expensive shoes?
    I've taught homeless, hungry children that actually slept in cars or cheap hotels on Wilson Way because that's what their voucher provided for. Or came to school with shoes wrapped in tape and no socks or wore the same pair of short pants regardless of the temperature.

    Where is all the help conservatives always say is just a phone call away? Why is it always "their churches" (the churches homeless people attend), and not "their churches"(the churches where the consevatives attend) that are expected to help? Why is it always someone else's responsibility, and not theirs?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:43 pm on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    MR Kinderman
    You know what your saying when you say "rock and roll"?
    It is hard to express your self in most languages and not stumble across a double entendre unintentionally.

    Of course to declare you can't debate because you feel someone used a word with both overt and covert meanings is immature.

    And to say the Tea Party is "...AMERICANS who want nothing more than to see this nation succeed just as the Founders desired." couldn't be further from the truth. Whatever you think the Tea Party may have been they have degenerated into a rabble of venomous hate filled extremists whos actions are at the heart of whats tearing this country apart. Those original members who started out with some legitimate concerns allowed themselves, in their eagerness to accumulate size and influence, to be infiltrated by any fringe wacko group (or opportunistic billionaires).

    The Klu Klux Klan were Americans as well and their ilk and descendants have found a home in the Tea Party. And in the same way the Klan wrapped itself in the American flag and the cross, in their anti-government motives, so to do the Tea Partiers. What American values does a thieving, mooching rancher in Nevada have in common with conservative values or founding father principles? Yet that is what the Tea P{arty wants to use as its "patriot" symbol to make America succeed.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 1:14 pm on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    It's amazing how little some of the commenters on this letter know (or want to know) about the complex causes of poverty in this country. Since Reagan first invented the story about black welfare queens and their Cadillacs, conservatives have been pumping out similar dog whistle propaganda, painting the poor as lazy, stupid, mostly minorities, and undeserving. The cruel and simplistic solutions proposed show a complete lack of understanding of the problem, and in many cases would be more costly for taxpayers, not less. Instead of thinking up ways to punish the poor, i.e. let them starve, we ought to be working together to lift all boats with common sense efforts.

    In large swaths of this country, education and retraining will not result in many more living wage employment opportunities, and the cost of such training puts people in deeper debt. Even if the training is free, it can be fruitless. Think about Detroit, lumber and coal towns gone bust, etc. There are no jobs to be had, education or not. As well, the poor in these locales often do not have the resources ($$) to move to another city or state where they might find work. It's not possible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you don't have bootstraps to begin with. And, as you must realize, retraining and reeducating everyone creates problems too. We need lots of people to work as maids, gardeners, fast food servers, and store clerks. Most new jobs are in the service sector. Shouldn't these people make enough to feed themselves and their child if they work full time?

    Raising the minimum wage so it is enough to cover basic food and shelter is the first step to helping the poor. Beyond that, it will take all of us working together to create new job opportunities in impoverished communities. Blaming the poor is a cruel distraction. If you care about the poor, educate yourself.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 12:04 pm on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    Jay Nordlinger at National Review admits, the term "teabagger" was introduced to the political lexicon by Tea Party movement leaders:

    "The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it."

    It seems the Tea Party enjoyed the derogatory metaphor when it was aimed at the president and public officials.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 11:58 am on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    They coined that name for themselves in the beginning, Kinderman. It was only later that they objected.

    Do you object when certain commenters call poor people MOOCHERS? Is that a rule violation?

    Just asking.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 11:53 am on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    Those people already starve, Kevin. Only twelve states offer assistance to adults without children, and it is a pittance. I thought you understood that. It makes your argument moot. So, I guess you are in agreement with me--in 38 of the 50 states, EVERYONE on assistance needs it!

    For the record, I am not registered as a democrat. Regardless, we seem to agree about the public assistance situation, except you want to force everyone into some kind of program (who pays for that? would recent college grads have to retrain?) and I wish to make it easily available but optional. Most of the unemployed have job skills, Kevin. They already know how to fish, they just need an opportunity and a living wage.

    Glad we've resolved this.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:52 am on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Especially in what is supposed to be a civil debate, I know when one side is either losing or in fear of losing when they resort to their baser instincts through the use of name-calling and other such sophomoric tactics.

    There is a legitimate organization comprised of Americans (not illegal aliens, foreigners or little green men from Mars), but AMERICANS who want nothing more than to see this nation succeed just as the Founders desired. Mostly they are conservative, but they come from all walks of life, different generations and while mostly white, do have many people "of color" amongst its membership. It's known officially as the TEA Party. "TEA" stands for "taxed enough already," and also represents what occurred in Boston Harbor when good King George levied huge taxes on the people's favorite beverage - tea.

    The use of "Teabagger" is meant to conjure thoughts of what has come to be known as "tea bagging," a sexual activity engaged in by mostly homosexuals. For those who don't have a clue, just look it up. I won't dishonor this forum by describing it here. But its use by those who claim to be so inclusive and tolerant fail to understand that it only makes them look petty and small - and disgusting. I would also think those who participate in that particular activity would think it disgusting as well that those opposed to the TEA Party would liken it to members who are largely heterosexual who until just recently had never heard of it.

    Frankly, once I hear or read of it I'm immediately turned away from whatever argument might otherwise be considered. That's one reason why I've chosen to ignore those who behave so juvenile on what should be a grown-up environment.

    Oh, and it's also in violation of the Rules of Conduct, particularly Rule No. 2 and possibly Rule No. 11 if the moderators of this forum would care to exercise their authority thereunder.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 9:30 am on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2017

    Thank you for clarifying that you believe it is more important to for the Democratic party to keep it's power by creating a society dependent on it's handouts. Kind of sad that you and your ilk would want to suppress people to keep political power but whatever makes you feel better I guess.

    I have NOT defended Hagee, except in your mind. I HAVE, repeatedly, said that those that CAN, should work. You are offended by this notion of people improving their situation. I would rather teach a man to fish that to give him a fish.

    BTW, Parents with kids who would starve without assistance would be INCLUDED in my "those that need it" statements. It is nothing more than malice towards me for standing firm in my position that you would suggest I want kids to starve and says more about you than me

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 3:50 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    Kevin, I'm going to restate my point in the simplest way possible. Pastor Hagee and his ilk repeatedly preach hate for the poor, in kind with the GOP, particularly the Teabagger faction. Check youtube for video after video if you have any doubts. If you have trouble searching, I'll provide links. Listening to his many online sermons, you'll see that Hagee only has two categories for the poor: deserving (sick, disabled, elderly) and everyone else who he overgeneralizes as not willing to work. This is simply a lie and you have stated that you agree with him. He states that everyone in this not-sick-not-old-not-disabled category deserves to starve to death, and it appears that you are sympathetic. Only a very small percentage of those receiving public assistance sit around and play video games all day, and their time at that pursuit is limited by federal law. What I tried to get you to realize is that the majority of the people needing help are children. Most of their parents are good decent people who would like to have a living wage job, but even those you would call moochers have children. When you make the parent starve, their innocent children starve too. You can not make everyone on assistance go to school or get "treatment," and shame on you for thinking everyone who is unemployed is in some way deficient and needing fixing. If they want those services, the taxpayers ought to provide them, but these programs have been cut to the bone and are unavailable to most. Unless you want to spearhead a campaign to provide free training, education, housing, food, and childcare for every person in poverty, you ought to stop plugging your proposed mandate. Also, you can not force all the able-bodied unemployed to toil in the fields. It's not practical and will not have a desirable outcome--ask a farmer if you have doubts. Common sense would tell you that it's also not possible to force all the homeless mentally ill, alcoholics, and drug addicts into treatment programs--waiting lists are long and many are too ill to consistently participate. Are you advocating locking them up? If not, it's far cheaper to house these people and get them off the street.

    Who would Jesus starve, Kevin?
    He said to give all you own to the poor. He did not say to judge them and then heap cruel suffering on their children.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 3:07 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    Christina, you seem like a kind person who would prefer not to think poorly of people you know--those in your neighborhood and community. It's easier to feel like those people who live far away and somehow are not like us are the problem. I agree with you that this disdain for the homeless is worse in the South for a number of reasons. Those are red states, heavily influenced by the Tea Party, and with a frightening plague of racism still in effect. However, the problem is very much evident here in our state and in our own town. If you doubt this, I encourage you to sit in the pews of any local fundamentalist church and then hang around for the coffee hour. Visit any of the local diners on a weekday morning and eavesdrop on some of the old guys, Christians all, hunched over their regular table commiserating about minorities and the poor. And for absolute proof, you ought to attend, as I have, a meeting of the local tea party. Now that, my friend, is an eye opener.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    The Warmuths appear to be asking help with food, shelter, and job assistance. Is that what you are offering, or is this just an offer to pray? Although you may feel that prayer feeds the soul, it does not leave the stomach any fuller. In either case, it seems kind of you to make the offer.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:36 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1505

    Nice Kenneth.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 11:36 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 362

    Thank you for your clarification, M, although I think most of this comment was intended for Kevin, and I'll let him respond for himself in kind. But, I don't think he meant a lot of what you say he meant in his comment. Either way, as to our conversation, I still think overall churches here in California are not so fundamentalist & evangelical as we see in the south, it's not just tamer rhetoric. I think Californians are just kinder, more open-minded people in general, and this is reflected in their churches as well.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:21 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2017

    So in your world the capable to work have only two options: Live off the taxpayer OR starve. Interesting and explains a lot. Cause in my world there is job training, job assistance, part time work, community work, (already mentioned) farm work. And, as I have said several times but you are more interested in demonizing people like me who want to help those that need it, I/we have no problem helping for those that need it. And getting re-established in the work place after a financial collapse qualifies as "needing it".

    BUT, unlike liberals like you, I do not want to pay for a healthy American to sit and play video games all day when there are work possibilities available to them. It is easier for Liberals to control those that depend on them for food and $$. Conservatives, would rather free those dependent on the government WHO DON'T need to be so the government does not control them.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:14 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2017

    And I am beginning to wonder if your reading comprehension is that bad or if you are deliberately misrepresenting what I am saying.

    I said of the drug and alcohol addicts and the mentally ill that, if they are living off taxpayer dollars, need to be working to kick the habit. "Drug and alcohol addicts should be working to kick the habit." But I guess it is easier for liberals like you to feel better about themselves if they can keep others in the gutter (yes, that was an extreme, the same kind of extreme statement you have been making about my comments.)

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:09 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2017

    Very interesting...

    I say we want to help those that need it and stop those that don't from taking from the others that still do. You interpret that to mean I/we want to throw kids out into the streets to starve to death. I think your bias against the right is showing here.

    Let me resay it for clarity "Those that need it ***we will help****, those that ***DON'T need it but take it*** need to stop stealing from those that do. I am curious what part of this M.Doyle disagrees with, OR do you believe those that are capable of work should still be allowed to live off the taxpayer?"

    I am still waiting for your response to my question at the end. Should those that are capable of work but unwilling be allowed to live off taxpayers?

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 8:34 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 136

    The Mr Kinderman say to me - Jien Kaur, my point (which unfortunately you were unable to grasp) is that Jesus was most decidedly Jewish.

    Mr Kinderman there is no need to insult me with you answer to my statement. I can 'grasp' you point very good. I have study many religion other than the one I practice and in the true what you say is a contradiction. Every one who know story of the Christ know he was Hebrew.

    But the Christians - as you say - are to be Christ like must follow what the Jesus Christ teach to his disciple that was a new way and a new thought. Why would the Jesus be so different and have many followers if he has same message of the Hebrew faith? That why what you say is contradiction.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:21 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    Mr Schmidt and Mr Kaur are correct. Though Jesus was born jewish he came to be the figure head of christianity making him posthumously christian.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:11 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    A christian in retrospect or posthumously if you will.

     
  • Kenneth Huntley posted at 12:48 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Ken Huntley Posts: 36

    Mrs. Warmuth, fear not. There is a church that keeps its doors open for everybody, rich or poor. Gravity Church in Lodi offers Friday Morning Fire at 9AM, Saturday night services at 7PM and Church in the Park at Hale Park at 5PM. We encourage you to attend any of our services and meet with the pastors and prayer team, with an open heart.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 7:28 pm on Thu, Aug 7, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    There are several of those kind of churches right here in Lodi, Christina.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 7:27 pm on Thu, Aug 7, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    You agree with Pastor Hagee? Everyone who is healthy and receiving support deserves to starve?


    That's disturbing in so many ways.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 6:59 pm on Thu, Aug 7, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    Christina, did you read Kevin's response at 1:38 pm? I think that should answer your question. Conservatives, mostly of the devoutly religious persuasion, repeatedly vote to cut food assistance programs for the poor, cut unemployment benefits for those like Mrs. Warmuth above, and take away tax subsidies for the working poor. In the same bills (Farm Bill, for instance), they subsidize crop insurance and other giveaways to wealthy farmers (those getting the kick backs average incomes over $250,000.)

    Because racism is still so prevalent, they mischaracterize the poor as inner city blacks living in ghettos and illegal Mexican immigrants-- "others" who are easy to slander as lazy or criminal. The GOP base, heavily white, fundamentalist Christians, will cut off food to that group in a hot second and feel righteous about doing it. In truth, the majority of "welfare" and food stamp recipients are children under age 12 who can not be faulted for refusing to work or living in bad neighborhoods. When Kevin advocates cutting assistance, it is mostly children who he would have suffer.

    The next largest group receiving help are single mothers, many working full or part time at minimum wage jobs and still not able to put food on the table. You see, you can work full time in this country and not make enough to shelter and feed yourself, let alone pay for childcare. When mommy loses her job and relies on public assistance for a few months, Kevin wants her out picking tomatoes. He has no plan for childcare for her kids. Maybe she should tie them to a fence post. He has no plan for how she should feed her family if she doesn't live near a tomato field. What percentage of those receiving public assistance live near a farm field, Kevin? Oh, I know. They can clean streets, collect trash, and deliver mail, and then all the public employees will be out of work too. Wait, that's brilliant--you'd then be able to force the formerly middle class government workers to do their old job for a few food stamps.

    Finally, the poor include a lot of situationally unemployed people like Mrs. Warmuth above, people with a strong work history who are actively seeking work. Many in her situation live in economically depressed areas where there are few jobs available and many searching. We all know there are people on the take who refuse to work, but that number is small. There is a federal lifetime welfare limit of 60 months. Kevin seems to imply that everyone receiving assistance who is not disabled, sick, or elderly is mooching off the system and refusing to work. That's absolutely not true.

    Regarding the alcoholics, drug addicts, and mentally ill homeless who Kevin wants out in that same tomato field (getting crowded) to pay for their services: where is this field and who owns it? Local government? You'd be hard pressed to find a farmer willing to let alcoholics and addicts replace the hard working immigrants, illegal or not, picking his crops.

    Of course, raising the minimum wage so that everyone who works a full time job can afford to eat would be a big part of the solution. It would stimulate the economy as well. The GOP and their base oppose that. Slandering the poor and making them suffer is much easier. Jesus said to sell all you have and give it to the poor, but Haggee and most fundamentalist churches prefer the verse about those who don't work not being allowed to eat. In the last election, one local church was so brazen that their marquee urged passersby to Vote God's Way. In violation of the law, their website endorsed all GOP and Teabagger candidates and opposed all measures that would aide the poor.

    So yes, Christina, I think you are right that in the South, where racism is openly accepted, churches can be blunt about their disdain for the poor. In the rest of the country, the rhetoric is tamer but the sentiment is the same. Many local fundamentalist churches will take care of their own, people they know and love. "Others" are demonized as lazy and unworthy of public support.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:38 pm on Thu, Aug 7, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2017

    More to the story than was stated. What the Mr Hagee said was, “To those of you who are sick, to those of you who are elderly, to those of you who are disabled, we gladly support you,” he said as his voice began to rise. “To the healthy who can work but won’t work, get your nasty self off the couch and go get a job!”

    Did you catch that? Those that need it we will help, those that DON'T need it but take it need to stop stealing from those that do. I am curious what part of this M.Doyle disagrees with, OR do you believe those that are capable of work should still be allowed to live off the taxpayer?

    BUT I do disagree with Mr. Hagee's derogatory way of saying it.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 11:47 am on Thu, Aug 7, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 362

    Just curious, M, can you give any examples of churches here in California that do the things you mention like those in Texas or South Carolina? I really don't think our state has such evangelical zealots as you have mentioned. I think it might just be a southern thing? California is a very progressive state, and I think its churches probably reflect that as well.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:59 am on Thu, Aug 7, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Jien Kaur, my point (which unfortunately you were unable to grasp) is that Jesus was most decidedly Jewish. As such, regardless of the fact that He was Jesus the Christ (based upon His mother's lineage), whatever qualities He possessed (which were absolutely perfect) had to come from His Hebrew background, not any Christian ones because at that time - and for some time after that - Christianity didn't even exist.

    Nevertheless, as a believer in Christ, we are implored to be as Christ-like as possible. Naturally due to His perfection, we are unable to come close to possessing those qualities at His level. This is why He chose to die on the Cross for us so that we could one day be in His presence and in the presence of God Himself.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 8:21 pm on Wed, Aug 6, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    In last Sunday's sermon, a Texas mega-church pastor, John Hagee, stated that the unemployed are "nasty" and that they should starve to death, as it is God's way. The hundreds sitting in the pews cheered. Watch the video.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/06/pastor-john-hagee-god-thinks-nasty-welfare-recipients-should-get-a-job-or-starve/

    Jesus said to sell all you have and give it to the poor.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:42 pm on Wed, Aug 6, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2017

    I am all for public housing for those that need it, Food, shelter and a safe place to sleep is a worthy cause.

    The only consideration that has to be in place, I believe, is that those that can are doing things to better their situations. I would MUCH rather see the homeless who are trying to regain the balance in their life work the farm fields than those who are here illegally. Drug and alcohol addicts should be working to kick the habit. Even if the "work" that the people who need these community housing arrangements is little more than doing community work. SOMETHING so that they (again, those that are able) are doing more than sitting in a taxpayer provided home living off tax payer dollars.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 5:00 pm on Wed, Aug 6, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    Kevin, I was merely answering Mrs. Warmuth's inquiry regarding the apparent dearth of compassion for the homeless amongst the local faith community. I neither stated nor implied that churches should bear responsibility for feeding and sheltering the homeless.

    There is a very simple solution to the problem of homelessness, one that is compassionate and would save BILLIONS of dollars a year. Most European countries and now several cities in the USA provide basic housing for the homeless. You can read about it on FOX business news.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2014/07/07/how-housing-for-chronically-homeless-may-save-taxpayers-money/

    The 100,000 Homes Campaign in cities such as Nashville and Charlotte and Project 50 in LA County provide small apartments in housing complexes owned by the local government to even the most hardcore homeless, such as the mentally ill, alcoholics, and drug addicts. So far the 100,000 Homes Project has saved local governments $1.3 Billion dollars above and beyond the cost of housing these folks. When people have a home, they have far fewer encounters with law enforcement, far fewer medical emergencies, have better luck finding a job, and are easier to find and treat for serious conditions. Besides the cost savings, it cleans up the streets and makes towns and cities safer.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 10:06 am on Wed, Aug 6, 2014.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 136

    I think that perhaps the Mr Schmidt is say last person to truly be person of Christian qualitys was the Jesus Christ. All others are the imposters.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:39 am on Wed, Aug 6, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Considering that Jesus was never a Christian, I have to wonder about the "wisdom" of the man wiser than Mr. Schmidt.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:35 am on Wed, Aug 6, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    I can't seem to get it right this morning. This time I addressed you as "Mr." I didn't mean to do that either.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:29 am on Wed, Aug 6, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Mr. Warmuth, I apologize for the misspelling of your name; it was not intentional.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:44 pm on Tue, Aug 5, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Ms. Warmth, I'm not really sure what you are expecting from the City or the churches. Yes, homelessness is a problem here and in virtually all towns and cities across the nation and around the world. Without asking directly it sounds like you might be expecting to be housed by the city or other charitable organizations. That's a tall order to be sure; one that I doubt could possibly be forthcoming any time soon.

    As for churches, are you a member of any in Lodi? As you might expect, the adage that charity starts at home. There are many Lodians who are hurting and as such are already leaning on their church homes already, making it difficult to reach out too much further to others. Nevertheless, have you knocked on the door of any church to seek assistance? I know that's never a comfortable thing to do, but you might want to think about trying. Please don't buy into the notion that so-called "conservative" houses of worship are any less compassionate than those that consider themselves liberal. That mindset is not Godly.

    You mentioned that you have a small business but failed to mention what it is you do. Your letter might have been a good place to start to build that up a little. Also, what kind of skills do you possess that other businesses in the area could be looking for? An answer to these questions here might help to move things in a better direction for you and your husband.

    Finally, as for the bank that "stole" your home, if this is true you could have grounds for a claim against the bank. The courts nowadays are not too sympathetic toward any financial institution that illegally forecloses on someone's home. Seek advice from an attorney; many offer an opinion for little or no money and then only get paid if you win the case.

    Best of luck!

     
  • Ron Werner posted at 9:10 pm on Tue, Aug 5, 2014.

    Ron Werner Posts: 90

    Based on the LNS posts there seems to be a lot of liberals in Lodi but reading the recent "evolution letter" posts, however, I don't think many of them attend church. My advice to Ms Warmuth is to drive to a community where liberals attend church and donate to homeless causes. I'm not sure there are any of those places.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:52 pm on Tue, Aug 5, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2017

    So I take it one of you three previous commentators will be opening your home to this suffering family?

    Or is it easier to blame others for what you have not done?

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 4:50 pm on Tue, Aug 5, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 514

    Schmidt: I hope you didn`t open another can of worms. BTW, what does it take to be a real Christian. OOOpppssss I`m bad.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 4:26 pm on Tue, Aug 5, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 121

    I'm sorry for your troubles Mrs. Warmuth. Lodi is a very conservative town filled with very conservative churches. In conservative parlance, the homeless and others living in poverty are unfortunately known as "takers," a terminology repeated often by by both tea party and mainstream conservative politicians and talk radio personalities. They blame the poor for their own misfortune--lazy, dumb, making poor choices--you get the idea. One famous quote I'd like to share:

    “You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a (poor) person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that.”

    — former South Carolina Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer

    Not exactly the message of Jesus who advocated for selling all you have and giving to the poor. The more compassionate/theologically liberal churches do what they can, but they are few and far between.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 12:15 pm on Tue, Aug 5, 2014.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2362

    A man wiser than me once noted that the last "real" Christian died on the Cross.

     

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