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Posted: Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:00 am

Sometimes when we are in the middle of a big moment in history, we are blinded by partisanship. The debt ceiling fight is such a moment.

We have a far right group of ideologues who are demanding concessions they could not get because they could not win the presidential election or the Senate. They are saying that if the country does not accede to their demands, they will blow up the economy. The Republicans are willing to take everyone with them because they are so sure of their own righteousness.

If the Democrats in 2006 were to act in the same manner, they would have insisted that President Bush do away with the tax cuts he had passed when he had control of both the House and the Senate at the beginning of his Presidency. In spite of the Democrats having both the Senate and the House in 2006, they knew they could not get past the presidential veto. They respected the Constitution and what the Founding Fathers had in mind when designing the separation of powers and how they should operate.

The Republican Party obviously does not. They are in it to win by any means necessary.

For the president, this is not about winning this particular political battle. It is about how these political battles should be fought. He is going to win this battle against those who would use extortion as a means to a political end.

It is terrifying what will happen if the Republicans go through with their threat and severely damage ours and the world’s economy. It is going to cause much pain here and around the world. The only silver lining is that will be the end of the Republican Party as a viable political entity.

I have never been more proud of this president, and history is going to record this as one his finest moments.

John Lucas

Lodi

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45 comments:

  • John Lucas posted at 9:11 am on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    They invented this contraption called a telephone. I imagine the company that is issuing the insurance knows. Just guessing.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You do realize you are leaving a written record of your thinking?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:30 am on Wed, Oct 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Two weeks after the debut of Covered California its website STILL doesn’t offer a way to find out which doctors and hospitals are included in each health plan.

    Can you explain how you were you able to choose a plan without knowing which doctors and hospitals were included in each plan?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:27 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:25 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Scary world you live in Stan. Too bad it is not the real world. Your friends in the Tea Party are losers and their 15 minutes of fame are about up. Obamacare, like social Security and Medicare before it, is going to work and in the end it will be an institution that no one can run against. This self inflicted debt ceiling and shutdown crisis is not Obama's but the extreme right wing's Waterloo. As much as you and Fox News try to blame this on Obama the only people who will agree with are the 25% of the American people who have drank the Tea party kool-aid. This is such an overreach by the wacko branch of the Republican party that it threatens its very existence. At best it will become a regional party based in the south. I know you and the other right wingers on this forum will jump up and down and say I am crazy but you guys have gotten so out of touch with reality that you have become a national embarrassment. You cannot vilify everyone who is different than you and cause an unnecessary mindblowingly stupid crisis such as we are in now and expect people to vote for you. Turn out the lights, the tea party is over.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:08 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Lucas stated:

    Obamacare is not a power grab. It is a law passed by the House. the Senate, signed by the President and declared constitutional by the Supreme Court

    -We didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday, Mr. Lucas. Just because it was done this way doesn't mean it isn't a power grab.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:03 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Lucas,

    If it's not a power grab then how do you explain why 800,000 people will lose their private coverage in New Jersey because of Obamacare?

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/10/10/report-blue-cross-blue-shield-to-drop-up-to-800000-new-jersey-residents-due-to-obamacare/

    Blue Cross Blue Shield To Drop Up To 800,000 New Jersey Residents Due To Obamacare..

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:18 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wrong. I enrolled on DAY ONE.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 4:47 pm on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 138

    "Known AFFILIATIONS with the Weather Underground?"

    He was at a fundraiser at the same time as Bill Ayers. If that is what you call "known affiliations" you need to revisit your understanding of the word "affiliation."

     
  • stan taves posted at 9:52 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    You're joking, right? The American people didn't want this monstrosity (Obamacare) in the 1st place; We want it even less today, and the few who think they want it, can't get it -- get it? Of course not. Now, if Obama can get 10's of millions of healthy young people to pay for something that they don't want, then Barack Obama's powers of persuasion are beyond anything that this world has ever seen. Dream on! The only way that these people can make this "thing" happen is MAKE US COMPY. Sure the IRS will be charged with the responsibility for collecting fines from the non-compliant, but they will only be allowed to attach the tax returns of working people -- no tax return, no collection, no Obamacare. We -- those of us who are RIGHT -- tried to tell you "progressives" that this turkey couldn't fly, but no! not good enough; You still had to try. Now the gobblers un-caged, no pardon in sight; looking real nervous , who can't see the fright? 'cause now we will roast him, just don't take a bite.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:28 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The vast majority of "the people" don't approve of Obama. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:21 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Apparently you can’t name a single person who has enrolled either.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:05 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Apparently the president thinks he can furlough reality when talking about the debt limit. To suggest that raising the debt limit doesn’t incur more debt is laughably absurd. The very reason why you raise the debt limit is so that you can incur more debt. Otherwise what’s the point?

    It’s also shameful to see him scaremongering the markets with his talk of default. There is no way we can default if we follow the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4, requires that we service our debt first. We currently collect more than enough tax revenue to service our debt if we do that first. However, we don’t have enough money to continue to finance our ever-growing federal government (with our $17 trillion dollar national debt that has increased over 50% since Obama took office). That’s why President Obama wants to increase the debt limit. He doesn’t want to make the tough decisions to rein in government spending. So, he’s scaremongering the markets about default, just as he tries to scaremonger our senior citizens about their Social Security, which, by the way, is funded by the Social Security Trust Fund and is solvent through 2038.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Jien Kaur,

    I wouldn't know. She looked like an educated person. Unlike you, I think it was perfectly reasonable to take her assessment of Obamacare seriously.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:00 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    It's really not a matter that Obama stands on principle. It's what principle that is in question.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:51 am on Tue, Oct 15, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Jien,

    Yes is the answer. And President Obama is the same person who had known affiliations with the Weather Underground.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Obamacare is not a power grab. It is a law passed by the House. the Senate, signed by the President and declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. What the Republicans are doing by threatening ours and world's economy unless they get their way is a power grab. It is blackmail. They demand their way in spite of the fact that the American people through the electoral process has denied them the power to do. It seems even a Conservative would understand this but then it does require understanding, knowing and respecting the Constitution of the United States of America.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:44 pm on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Apparently Mr. Lucas and the president think they can furlough reality when talking about the debt limit.

    First, to suggest that raising the debt limit doesn’t incur more debt is laughably absurd. The very reason why you raise the debt limit is so that you can incur more debt. Otherwise... what’s the point?

    Second, it's utterly shameful for Obama to scaremonger the markets with his talk of default. There is no way we can default if we follow the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4, requires that we service our debt first. Unfortunately, our Constitution nor the oath the president swore to uphold it matter much to the Opologists.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 4:37 pm on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 138

    Hmmm...

    One nurse at a hospital is qualified to determine the viability of a healthcare program. Was her minor in economics? Healthcare administration? Public administration?

    Sounds perfectly reasonable. Bravo for her.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:50 am on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Hmm,

    I spoke to a nurse last night who works at Scottsdale Healthcare Hospital.
    She said Obamacare is a disaster. She likened it to holding the country hostage.
    It's all about one's POV, Mr. Lucas.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:36 am on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    OFF TOPIC

     
  • stan taves posted at 8:10 am on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Mister Lucas... and his people throw around words like terrorist and extortion -- neither of which are, in any way, accurate. A better way to describe the situation is to depict the leaders on the other side as embezzlers. Embezzle: to appropriate fraudulently to ones own purposes, as money -- taxes -- entrusted to one's care -- Obama Care? It's this simple: Mr. Obama wants people, with money, to invest in a program that was sold under false pretenses. Ms. Pelosi told us not to worry; that we'd find out what was in it, once we bought it. Mr. Obama told us numerous falsehoods -- "you can keep your doctor", "you can keep your current plan", "it will cost less"... The truth is that this "thing" is the biggest power grab this nation has ever seen, and the left had to lie through their teeth just to get it passed -- and without one republican vote, mind you. I'm sorry, but for you folks on the left may have sold this piece of garbage; but now you own it now -- good luck with that.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:35 am on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 546

    No, the one who was kicked off of Fox News for repeatedly claiming Romney would win in a landslide, up to and including the night of the election, and lambasted the "skewed" polls that showed the contrary. There is one thing you can count on with Morris... being consistently wrong. He's in it for the ca$h.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:11 am on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2023

    From the Real estate meltdown and everything that was done there, to Obama care and everything that went on there and now the Shutdown and everything happening there, it is past time for there to be legislation limiting the control of any ONE party to 20% of the given governing body. Rep. can have 20%, Dems can have 20% and three new, fresh idealists can split the 60% remaining between them.

    The two party system with the in-fighting and more loyal to the party than to the country has got to STOP or the country will fail. And ALL the power can NOT go to one party.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 6:44 am on Mon, Oct 14, 2013.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 159 Staff

    A reminder to everyone: The profanity filter can be edited to allow names or other acceptable phrases, such as Dick Morris, that may otherwise be flagged as inappropriate. If you find one that should be allowed, just send me an email and I'll add it to the exceptions.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 10:52 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 138

    Is this the same D ick Morris who was kicked out of the Clinton administration for bringing prostitutes into the Oval Office to meet the president?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:42 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe, the fantasy you have that the President shut down anything defies all logic. It is the Republicans that shut down the government. Do you realize what fair minded people think when the Republicans deliberately shut down the government and the complain that it is not open? It is amazing the mental gymnastics it takes for one to come to your illogical conclusions.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:05 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I hear you, Sam. These Tea party people are not Conservative. They have no respect for the process of governing and certainly do not respect the will of the people.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:00 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Here is another way to look at your "logic". A kidnapper kidnaps a child for ransom. The people refuse to pay. The kidnapper then blames the people for killing the child. If only the Democrats voted in the house there would be no shutdown. This whole horror show is brought to you by the Republican party. You might not be able to see it but the American Public knows the truth.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:10 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:39 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If the Republicans had the Senate and the House and could override a Veto they could get their suggestions into law. If the Republicans had the House and the Senate and the Presidency they could do what they want. The Democrats had the Presidency, the House and the Senate so they passed Obamacare which the Supreme Court upheld. This kind of stuff is decided by elections.

    Unable to get their way with ballot box the Republicans are shutting down the government and threatening ours and the worlds economy unless they get their way. This is called extortion and though I hope the Republicans come to their senses at least people who think like you do Brian will not get elected again for a generation if they do not. What the Republicans are doing is crystal clear to any thinking individual including many Republicans. It is blackmail.

     
  • stan taves posted at 1:05 pm on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Mr. Lucas wants to know where I stand. I stand with anyone who has the guts to say that $ i7 Trillion is enough debt; and that any rise in the debt ceiling must be accompanied by a reasonable debt reduction plan. Simpson/Bowles was commissioned by POTUS to come up with that very plan, and it was reasonable and bi-partisan; POTUS rejected it. It seems as though POTUS is more interested in the creation of new debt than he is in solving our debt.They say that past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior; if that is true then we can count on POTUS to say no to any idea that restricts his profligate spending. Then there is the name calling: The 3 stooges ( Harry, Nancy and Barry ) are quick to fall back on name calling as a political strategy -- and apparently it's working. They use words like terrorist and extortion to described conservatives; yeah, well then, I guess the 3 Stooges are guilty of trying to EMBEZZLE from the hard working people of America. Embezzle: to appropriate fraudulently to ones use, as money entrusted to ones care. Ms. Pass It To Read It, Mr. Why Would I Do That? and Mr. You Can Keep Your Doctor... are all guilty of taking from Americans -- under false pretenses -- so that they can use our wealth for their own purposes -- redistribution. I'm sorry Mr. Lucas but it's time that they were all exposed for who they are...

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:34 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    I was always told to choose your words wisely so that someday they didn't come back to bite you in the rear end. Perhaps Barry should have abided by the same philosopy.
    Recall when, in 2006, when then-Senator Obama voted against raising the debt limit. Listen to what the two-faced dissembler said back then:
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
    OUCH !!!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:23 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    What the President and his cronies have done is shut down the Government and threatened ours and the worlds economy by not negotiating certain parts of Obamacare because they will not bow to the suggestions of the Republican Party. THIS is clearly extortion. And clearly, neither party has any resemblance to terrorists taking hostages. Anyone suggesting such a thing needs to have their head examined.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:08 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Exactly![thumbup]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:07 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Lucas stated:

    The Republican Party obviously does not. They are in it to win by any means necessary.

    -Chuckle,

    And Mr. Lucas has no proof the Democratic party aren't in it to win by any means necessary either. But don't try to convince Mr. Lucas his speculation is not proof.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:02 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Watch the video of D1ck Morris explaining things in the link I provided.

    Of course we can anticipate Mr. Lucas will attempt to discredit D1ck Morris.

    Incidently, one cannot spell the name that is short for Richard without the LNS citing it as profanity.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/im-not-kidding-oklahoma-has-come-up-with-a-case-that-has-a-serious-chance-of-destroying-obamacare.html

    I'm Not Kidding. Oklahoma Has Come Up With a Case That Has a Serious Chance of Destroying Obamacare!


    D1ck Morris says a case in Oklahoma has a serious chance of destroying Obamacare. The case asserts that the power to open up “insurance exchanges” lies in the states. And if these states do not comply, the feds have to get out of the way. If they do, the price for insurance (to comply with Obamacare) would become so expensive that it makes Obamacare’s tax so high that it is unconstitutional. You see, taxes levied on products cannot be so high that it effectively bans the product… or else the government could place one-million percent taxes on anything they wanted to ban.

    Let’s see how far Oklahoma goes!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:30 am on Sun, Oct 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    So, Mr. Taves is evidently calling Mr. Lucas a deadbeat? "John and his people."

    Perhaps, Mr. Taves, you don't a very comprehensive understanding of who benefits from the ACA and the various layers of society and incomes that are left out of the healthcare system.

    It seems that all conservatives, including Mr. Taves, are of the opinion that everyone in this country has the opportunity, if it weren't for their inherent laziness, to have an equal standard of living.

    If that were so, who would fill lower level jobs like fast food, restaurant workers, anyone in the service industry? I guess you just built the case for the need for illegal workers, right, Mr. Taves?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:07 pm on Sat, Oct 12, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Taves and Mr Baxter’s reply to my LTE is very interesting and is common to right wing people when arguing. Neither one of them addressed my central argument but instead went off on tangents of right wing talking points. I am not surprised.

    The issue is not one hard to grasp and there are two clear and distinct sides. We elect people to the House and the Senate and a President. The way appropriations and budgets are normally done is that by law the House originates an appropriation bill and sends it to the Senate. If the Senate and the House cannot agree they form what is called a conference committee where the both sides iron out the differences involving compromises on both sides. The Senate and the House both pass the bill and send it to the President who can sign it of veto it. If he vetoes it the House and the Senate can override this with a 67% vote in both bodies. This is how the Founding Fathers envisioned it. It is part of the idea of separation of powers.

    The Republicans in the House have other ideas. The House sent a budget to the Senate. The Senate did not agree with the budget (and the President would certainly veto it if it ever hit his desk) presented and the Senate has 19 times since May asked for a conference committee where they would work out their differences and come up with a budget. The House Republicans have refused to negotiate and sit down and talk with their counterparts In the Senate.

    What the House Republicans have done is shut down the Government and threatened ours and the worlds economy by not passing a debt limit increase unless the President and the Senate bow to their demands. This is clearly extortion. There is little difference between this and a terrorist who takes hostages. The hostage is this case being the economy of the United States and the world. The President has said we do not negotiate with terrorists. It is that simple. This is not just to protect a Democratic President from extortion but in the future a Republican one as well. It is standing on Principle.

    I ask Mr Taves and Mr Baxter. Where do you stand on this issue? If you stand with the House Republicans remember you have no complaint if a Democratic House in the future does it to your side.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 6:28 pm on Sat, Oct 12, 2013.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    John, I am a Republican and am embarassed to say so. I am not a RINO but I HATE the Tea Party. Your letter is a good one. I however do not blame the Republicans ... I blame the Tea Party. Their 82 radical house members are destroying the party I have loved and supported for over 42 years. It is pathetic. I do understand our president 's reasons for standing his ground against their "antics" and respect him for it. I wish the Tea Party would start their own 3rd party and let us have our Republican party back.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:12 pm on Sat, Oct 12, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    LIBERALISM: Moochers electing looters to steal from producers.

     
  • stan taves posted at 10:31 am on Sat, Oct 12, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    John doesn't seem to understand the reason for the great divide within gov't today -- The nation is divided, John. John, and his people -- half of the country -- believe that those who pay the bills -- the American taxpayer -- need to stop complaining and just pay more. The taxpayers -- the other half of the country -- believe that too much taxation hurts everyone in the end. The biggest problem with John's analysis is that he confuses self righteous with self-reliance. It's like this: Self-righteous is when a "leader" decides to cast blame instead of taking responsibility for his countless failures. And self-reliance is when effort and investment are combined to create wealth. We are at an impasse today, and not because conservatives are angry about an election; We are at an impasse because our gov't has borrowed $ 17 trillion, and all we have to show for it is broken programs, broken promises, broken wars and a broken-down obese culture. It would be great if the President actually wanted to solve a problem -- any problem -- but he like all "progressives" are either unable, or unwilling, to focus on the root causes of problems. Take health care... America is sick. Obama's solution is get healthy people to pitch-in and make the sick well; Which would be a great idea if not for the fact that half of the country is ill. So, instead of examining how we got so sick -- over-dependency on gov't -- The "progressives" demand that we throw another layer of bureaucracy on top to fix it all. Good Lord People! It's called insanity when you believe that success can only come from the repetition of failure. It is time to take a stand. And the few in gov't that are actually willing to confront the insanity should not only be commended, but assisted in their endeavors as well. Whatever happens in 2014, one thing will always remain true in a free society: those who pay the bills, need to call the shots.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:25 am on Sat, Oct 12, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    The Barack Obama regime is proving to be the most arrogant, narcissistic, petty, malevolent, insidious, baleful, sinister and criminal regime in U.S. history. For someone to claim to be proud of our president is pretty telliing to the amount of indoctrination they have received. Shutting patriotic American taxpayers out of our national parks and allowing ILLEGAL aliens to congretate at the Capitol mall? Yeah, that is really something to be proud of, only in a liberal mind.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:12 am on Sat, Oct 12, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The launch of the online “health insurance exchanges” which were supposed to make signing up for Obamacare a breeze have been an abysmal failure. 

    The Iowa Obamacare exchange has enrolled a grand total of five people in Obamacare at this point.

    The Hawaii Obamacare exchange was so bad that the entire site has been taken down and will eventually be relaunched.

    The launch of Obamacare has been such a disaster that it is really hard to find the words to adequately describe it.

    The Obama administration says that millions of people tried to sign up on the very first day. So, let’s ask a real simple question here of the administration: Out of those millions of people who tried to sign up, how many actually have insurance policies purchased through the exchange?

    Anyone? …Anyone? … Bueller?

    The answer appears to be ZERO. 

    Even Kathleen Sebelius, the very top dog at HHS, can’t name a single person who has enrolled. Consider the nightmare qualities of this scenario for a second: Out of millions of people who tried, not ONE person is confirmed as enrolled? Seriously?

    Obamacare is an epic fail at every level! Wake-up Mr. Lucas!

     

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