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President Obama chose not to have a back-up plan in place for travelers

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Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:00 am

When Ronald Reagan fired the air traffic controllers in the '80s, he had a back-up plan so as not to cause the American people any distress in their travel plans. His aim was to bring an out-of-control union back in line without punishing the American traveler. So when many of the controllers walked off their jobs, there were military air traffic controllers to take up the slack.

Today we have an imperial president who, if he wanted, could have had the same back-up plan, but instead of a president like Reagan who cared for the American people, we have a president who wants to punish us for a sequester of his own doing so as to cause such an uproar of all the people inconvenienced that he will get the money he demands from us. In Reagan's case, he was going after an out-of-control union without punishing the American traveler, while in Obama's case, he's using the union to punish the people for not getting what he wanted in the budget.

A little statistic from the Transportation Admininistration: From 2001 to 2011, there was 27 percent less air traffic while the budget increased 41 percent. There is also twice as many controllers as in the '80s.

The budget is not being cut, only a cut in the "increase" they were to receive. The only reason for furloughing these people is that Obama wants people to suffer to get his way.

Chicago is known for three things: pizza, gangsters and corrupt politicians. We can say with certainty that Obama is not a pizza.

Ron Portal

Lodi

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13 comments:

  • Dean Tiernan posted at 1:31 pm on Sat, Apr 27, 2013.

    Dean Tiernan Posts: 18

    One thing we can now say for certain, the FAA issue was NEVER the emperor's doing. Lay the blame where it belongs. No matter how disrespectful and non factual the comments, they are not true.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Apr 26, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    If I remember correctly [if I don't I'm sure you'll tell me] Congress submitted several bills through the house to deal with the sequester which Reid either ignored or rejected outright. The main sticking point, I believe, was that Obama wanted more taxes and the house said that he got his tax hikes in Dec of 12 and Jan of 13 with the promise that he would submit his plan for actual cuts in spending...which he failed to even submit one plan or idea. So when he failed to do as he had promised to the house..everything fell apart. As for thanking Gorbychov [sic] it was Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John Paul you should be thanking with an appreciative nod to Gorby for being willing to work with the west which he had little choice considering the shape the Soviet Union was in. And you need to get a handle on this obsession you have with the Tea Party. The Tea Party [taxed enough already] had its birth with the out of control spending of George W and the Republican Congress. Its stated goals is that gov't should be smaller and more responsive to people; to have fiscal responsibility; to allow the free market principles the freedom to operate without the gov't interfering to the point that it strangles the economy. What is so "funny farm" about that? The era we live in is Orwellian.. patriotism is somehow hateful, illegal immigrants are represented more by our politicians than the citizens who pay the bill and things that were once considered good is now bad. And, lastly, "more doom now than under Reagan". For 25 years after the Reagan program was implemented, real per capita income grew 2.2%. By 2006, the average American was making $7400 more than he would have made if the growth rates had remained at the same level as they were during the 12 years prior to the Reagan Revolution. A family of four was making $29,602 more. During the 12 years prior to Reagan, America created 1.3 million jobs per year which is impressive compared to today's stagnant economy. But during the Reagan years there were 2 million jobs per year. This is the worse recovery of the post-WW2 period by a large margin. At this point in the Reagan recovery we had a growth rate of 7% compared to 1.7% now. And the Obama administration calls this a recovery? And you call the Reagan years doom? Simply Orwellian, I tell ya...

     
  • Gary Maurer posted at 7:04 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Gary Maurer Posts: 16

    Hey, some well thought and informed comments here. It is truly refreshing to see intelligent commentary. Ron, sorry, for you, not so much. Read a whole lot more, opine a whole lot less, if you want to influence others.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:35 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1523

    Ron get hold of yourself you are starting to sound hysterical in all your posts.

    I know all about government budgets and there are those that you can manipulate and then there are those that are written as such into law where there is little wiggle room. The sequester was written with specific cuts to specific areas that were meant to be so dreadful that congress (not Obama) would draw up another smarter bargain which they of course failed to do. Everyone kept saying Oh Obama is trying to make the sequester sound worse than it is. Your funny farm Tea Party friends thought the sequester was the best deal and refused to intervene. So here we are watching the enactment of a bad idea. And Tea partiers want to say (like Paul Ryan) that the sequester cuts are a drop in the bucket and more cuts are needed. So why tweak it now when we need to face the music and the music hasn't even started yet.

    And I think it was when we invaded the tiny Grenada Island that people got all hyped up saying Yeah America is back. I don't follow the olympics that closely so I don't remember that hockey game. We were in the doldrums because of the tradjedy of the Vietnam fiasco and the oil embargo. I don't remember Russia on the move except to get out of Afganistan which had the effect of finally bankrupting their corrupt economy brining down the Soviet Union who decided they needed another way. Enter Reagan and peristroika. Piece of cake again for Reagan (thank you very much Gorbychov) . And actually as I said in another post Reagan is looking better to me these days as even G Bush is starting to look better compared to the new batch of conservatives coming out. The mindless Tea partiers are anarchists turning congress into an insane assylum and they are taking charge as more legislative members with cooler heads resign (the tea partiers think this is fine). Theres more gloom now than under Reagan. Like I say he looks better.

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 4:04 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    Reagan had it easy? Double digit inflation, unemployment, the Soviets on the march after the disastrous Carter years and the birth of the modern jihad just to name a few. Don't you remember how defeatist we were that our morale was so that a simple hockey game at the Olympics gave us so much of a lift? We needed something...ANYTHING...to give some hope no matter how small that the future was going to be brighter. But back to what I said to Eric and Joanne... forget about Reagan [ I'm sure that won't be a problem for ya] or my examples of how to handle our problems. Don't you think there are better options than furloughing or laying off people, which should be the last resort, to solve our problems of the economy? I mean, really???

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 3:47 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    When you do something unlawful you must pay the consequences. I believe that the ATC's knew of the consequences before they took their unlawful stance so they didn't go into this blind. But forget about my example, Joanne. You're no dummy.. You must see that there are several options to gov't or any business that can be done that wouldn't entail laying off people, or furloughing them? That should be the option of last resort. Shouldn't it??

     
  • Ron Portal posted at 3:40 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Ron Portal Posts: 120

    THERE ARE NO CUTS...THEY ARE GETTING MORE MONEY THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR , THAN THE YEAR BEFORE AND ON AND ON. Gov't budgets have not shrunk they have expanded. Remember when, in the mid-80's, they [ the Reagan admin.] where just thinking of cutting back on the Parks system. The Parks system closed the Washington Monument with a sign up saying due to budget cuts the monument is closed when nothing of the sort had happened. Do you think, really, that even if gov't had to cut back on personnel [which they don't] why is it they do it to the most visible? The air traffic controllers, the parks and rec. people, etc. They have non-essential personnel [this is what the gov't calls them, not me] that they could furlough with absolutely no problems caused to the public. They do it to the most visible amongst us to punish and make us feel their pain like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum and like that child their pain is imagined. And what of the $120 billion that the GAO found in fraud, waste and abuse. If a gov't agency can find that they have that much waste can you imagine how much there really is?? Why doesn't gov't attack that problem? There's the natural cutting back by people who retire, hiring freezes, etc. The point is there are so many other things they can do that would not entail any hardship on anyone...but the idea of gov't being restrained by any measure no matter how small [ this is only 2% people!!] is just totally abhorrent to those that believe that gov't should always grow larger and larger. And if we do nothing, meaning the gov't, then eventually it will collapse from its own weight resulting in a calamity that will make this sequester totally meaningless. Give Obama and the republicans credit for shrinking the gov't? Where is that shrinkage? Really, Eric, don't you think there is a better way?Forget this left/right thing...if you look at this reasonably and rationally don't you think a better could be found? We are in this together...if the gov't goes down we all go with it..not just democrats or republicans or this income or that. EVERYONE will suffer so isn't it tantamount that we get this under control before it destroys us ALL?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1523

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1523

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:33 pm on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1523

    Thanks Ms Bobin for clarifying this so well.
    It is one thing to say we will divert X number of fed/military personel to this single ATC operation. However it is quite another to say we will divert X nmber of fed/military personnel from other needs that are also experienceing sequester cuts (thus short handed as well) while we are at war (Iraq/Affganistan) as well as experiencing threats from Korea and we remain on stand by for whatever actions we decide to take on Syria (or Iran) and what may be necessary to deal with Chinas aggressive activities in the Pacific. We may need all hands where they are. Reagan had it easy. We now have those who have voted for the antics of stupid tea party candidates we now all have to live with.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It truly amazes me that, in order to make Obama into an even greater monster than they already believe he is, conservatives feel they must REWRITE HISTORY in order to prove their made up point.

    "Going after an out-of-control union?"

    Just how were they out-of-control? By demanding higher compensation and shorter working hours (which, btw, would have increased airline safety).

    ATC's in 1981 made between 20K and 49K. The union asked for an across the board increase of 10K per ATC.

    Current average salary of an ATC: 136,000 per year.

    From The Business Insider: http://www.businessinsider.com/air-traffic-controllers-will-face-a-staffing-crisis-every-25-years-2013-4

    "After the strike, controllers who still had jobs worked stringent schedules of mandatory six-day shifts and very often 10-hour days, said McGuirk, who spent nearly 18 years as an air traffic controller and another nearly 18 years in air traffic management."

    I don't know about you, Mr. Portal, but I would rather have my flight delayed than take the chance that an ATC is asleep in the tower.

    Reagan fired 11,000 ATC's because it was against the law for federal employees to strike.

    From Politico:

    "President Ronald Reagan fired more than 11,000 air traffic controllers who ignored his order to return to work. The sweeping mass firing of federal employees SLOWED COMMERCIAL AIR TRAVEL, but it did not cripple the system as the strikers had forecast.

    "To the chagrin of the strikers, the FAA’s contingency plans worked. Some 3,000 supervisors joined 2,000 nonstriking controllers and 900 military controllers in manning airport towers. BEFORE LONG, ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF FLIGHTS WERE OPERATING NORMALLY.

    Note: 3,000 nonstriking controllers, 2,000 SUPERVISORS, and 900 military controllers.
    Note: ONLY 80% of flights were operating normally.

    And, as a compassionate president who cared for the traveling public, he fired and banned for life from being rehired as ATC's, MILITARY VETERANS who made up much of the ATC workforce.

    WHAT A GUY!!!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:36 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    An easier way of saying it that people like Ron want the cake and eat it too.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:10 am on Thu, Apr 25, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1535

    An interesting aspect of Reagan’s action to fire 13,000 workers is that Democrats actually stood by his decision and it appears that in true bi-partisan form that is what the repubs have done today.
    The Budget Control Act was voted on by the House and Senate. 174 rebuplicans supported it with only 66 opposing the Democrats were more evenly divided. The bill had better support from Democrats in the Senate but still had a majority of the Senate republicans. There weren’t enough Democratic votes in either the House or the Senate to pass the legislation the repubs could have killed the bill in either chamber.
    The right wants to cut Federal spending and shrink government and then complains every time it happens. If we replaced the air traffic controllers with military personnel there would be no cost savings we would still have to pay someone to do the job. The point of cuts is to reduce the labor cost. If we do what we should and shrink Federal spending we are going feel the squeeze in more than just time spent waiting for flights. You want to give Obama credit for shrinking the government go ahead but you should include republicans also.

     

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